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Hello. This thread is mainly for questioning/research/knowledge, as I don't have any major issue with my phone right now. I had retail ar firmware 4.4.4 with locked LB, converted to 4.4.4 Retail BR, tried to install the ota, it didn't (because locked bl) and when I tried to go back to retail AR i bricked (downgraded for boot) and I couldn't flash it properly due to preflash validation error (locked bl) so I unlocked BL and now everything works fine, and I sucessfully installed the XT1033 OTA on my XT1032, runs pretty good.
I've been reading on the incompatibility between bootloaders of 4.4 and 5.0.
For now I will wait to official update for XT1032 and flash that, but couldn't you just use the reflash bootloader tool that is around this forum and flash a 4.4.4 bootloader and all the stock firmware files? In case I for some reason wanna go back for 4.4.4.
If you install 5.0 on a 4.4 bootloader using cwm, does it work correctly? If it does, why do they update the bootloader in the first place?
Is there any working custom recovery for L? or in development? In case In the future when the OTA gets released I wanted to flash viper4audio (I'm priving myself of that beauty that I used on old phones just for the locked BL [warranty brah] but obviously not a problem now..) or I could just root and use one of those zip flashing apps? (I cant remember its name)
Thanks.

ianxblog said:
Hello. This thread is mainly for questioning/research/knowledge, as I don't have any major issue with my phone right now. I had retail ar firmware 4.4.4 with locked LB, converted to 4.4.4 Retail BR, tried to install the ota, it didn't (because locked bl) and when I tried to go back to retail AR i bricked (downgraded for boot) and I couldn't flash it properly due to preflash validation error (locked bl) so I unlocked BL and now everything works fine, and I sucessfully installed the XT1033 OTA on my XT1032, runs pretty good.
I've been reading on the incompatibility between bootloaders of 4.4 and 5.0.
For now I will wait to official update for XT1032 and flash that, but couldn't you just use the reflash bootloader tool that is around this forum and flash a 4.4.4 bootloader and all the stock firmware files? In case I for some reason wanna go back for 4.4.4.
If you install 5.0 on a 4.4 bootloader using cwm, does it work correctly? If it does, why do they update the bootloader in the first place?
Is there any working custom recovery for L? or in development? In case In the future when the OTA gets released I wanted to flash viper4audio (I'm priving myself of that beauty that I used on old phones just for the locked BL [warranty brah] but obviously not a problem now..) or I could just root and use one of those zip flashing apps? (I cant remember its name)
Thanks.
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my phone now DEAD
Dead After downgrade to 4.4.3 then Update to 4.4.4 from 5.0

Sandivisi said:
my phone now DEAD
Dead After downgrade to 4.4.3 then Update to 4.4.4 from 5.0
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you mean the hard brick when your pc only detects it as qcom-something? that's bad for you
I only softbricked mine luckily, but I'll let you know anyway I felt damn stupid when I couldn't boot my phone because of my sudden impatience after waiting months from this update, just because didn't wait a little more
iirc there are some methods on the forum I think using that tool I mentioned to get it back, good luck with that

ianxblog said:
Hello. This thread is mainly for questioning/research/knowledge, as I don't have any major issue with my phone right now. I had retail ar firmware 4.4.4 with locked LB, converted to 4.4.4 Retail BR, tried to install the ota, it didn't (because locked bl) and when I tried to go back to retail AR i bricked (downgraded for boot) and I couldn't flash it properly due to preflash validation error (locked bl) so I unlocked BL and now everything works fine, and I sucessfully installed the XT1033 OTA on my XT1032, runs pretty good.
I've been reading on the incompatibility between bootloaders of 4.4 and 5.0.
For now I will wait to official update for XT1032 and flash that, but couldn't you just use the reflash bootloader tool that is around this forum and flash a 4.4.4 bootloader and all the stock firmware files? In case I for some reason wanna go back for 4.4.4.
If you install 5.0 on a 4.4 bootloader using cwm, does it work correctly? If it does, why do they update the bootloader in the first place?
Is there any working custom recovery for L? or in development? In case In the future when the OTA gets released I wanted to flash viper4audio (I'm priving myself of that beauty that I used on old phones just for the locked BL [warranty brah] but obviously not a problem now..) or I could just root and use one of those zip flashing apps? (I cant remember its name)
Thanks.
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I suggest you not to downgrade to 4.4.4 as of now. you flashed OTA and you are in lollipop now.. Enjoy.... And wait for official release OTA for Xt1032 and firmware files. Once it released, Devs will surely create flashable zips... then you can reflash your version lollipop... People reporting bricks and many dspaly issue when they tried downgrading it..
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Sandivisi said:
my phone now DEAD
Dead After downgrade to 4.4.3 then Update to 4.4.4 from 5.0
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Why did you downgrade to 4.4.3 instead of 4.4.4 ?

padhu1989 said:
I suggest you not to downgrade to 4.4.4 as of now. you flashed OTA and you are in lollipop now.. Enjoy.... And wait for official release OTA for Xt1032 and firmware files. Once it released, Devs will surely create flashable zips... then you can reflash your version lollipop... People reporting bricks and many dspaly issue when they tried downgrading it..
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Why did you downgrade to 4.4.3 instead of 4.4.4 ?
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because i dont have image file 4.4.4 . only file 4.4.3 on my pc

[Q] XT1033 OTA lollipop upgrade failed... How to fix it?

Hi Guys,
I just received the XT1033 Lollipop notification and clicked upgrade.... Unfortunately the upgrade failed and I suspect perhaps that's because I have clockworkmod installed instead of the stock recovery?
Where do I go from here? How do I get my phone so the upgrade installs successfully?
I'm in New Zealand if that matters. Not sure if you get a different OTA update per country?
Also note, the phone is still working fine (ie not bricked or anything), just the upgrade is failing to install

Flash a stock ROM or gpe and upgrade from there.
Sent from my XT1039 using XDA Free mobile app

Which ROM, does it matter?
I keep seeing stock roms for Brazil/India/Asia, but I live in NZ so I'm not sure what to install. There doesn't seem to be any NZ roms
Plus none of the links in "how to restore to stock" tutorials and faq's seem to work anymore
Can you point me in the right direction please?

You can still install official lollipop if your phone has bootloader unlocked and custom recovery but I would suggest starting from scratch. If you bought phone from anywhere in Asia then flash stock asian KitKat ROM and if you bought it from Brazil then flash stock Brazilian KitKat rom. After that you can update your phone to official lollipop.
PS- there is no NZ ROMs for xt1033. Only Asian and Brazilian. It depends on the region from where you buy the phone, not where you live.

I bought it in NZ...
Aha! I found in the phone settings it says 210.12.40.falcon_umtsds.AsiaRetail.en.03
Asia rom it is then, I'll go try it out

mejobloggs said:
I bought it in NZ...
Aha! I found in the phone settings it says 210.12.40.falcon_umtsds.AsiaRetail.en.03
Asia rom it is then, I'll go try it out
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Good Luck

You should not need to unlock bootloader to flash the fastboot firmware image.

lost101 said:
You should not need to unlock bootloader to flash the fastboot firmware image.
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he has cwm.that means unlocked bootloader.
Flash 5.0.2 firmware.no need to revert to 4.4.4 or use ota since lollipop flashable imge now available for xt1033 asia retail.

How to update a rooted Moto G (XT1032) 4.4.4 to 5.0?

Hi,
the title says it all:
How can I apply the 5.0 OTA update on a rooted, unlocked Moto G XT1032 with CWM recovery?
I don't care about root anymore and I have used SuperSU to unroot the phone.
But in order to apply the update I need to install the stock recovery, otherwise the device will get stuck in a bootloop.
How do I do this? I have tried using MotoToolAIO and its "Flash Stock Recovery KitKat" button but get a
Code:
hab check failed for recovery
message every time I try.
Could you guys please tell me how to get the stock recovery installed on this phone? As I said I don't care about losing root and I don't mind relocking the phone if necessary. I would really appreciate any pointers you can give me. Possibly without losing my data & apps. Thank you.
This page apparently is supposed to contain all those stock files but it is broken: http://sbf.droid-developers.org/phone.php?device=14
This manual seems to be helpful for similar cases, it did not help me, though: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2542219

Download the stock 4.4.4 ROM for your phone, extract the recovery.img file, and flash it using fastboot commands.
You also need to be unrooted with the stock Motorola apps.

audit13 said:
Download the stock 4.4.4 ROM for your phone, extract the recovery.img file, and flash it using fastboot commands.
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If you think that solves the proble, well...yes. But where do I find that file? As I indicated the only possible source seems to be unavailable currently. I can't find any other.
Does anyone here have an XT1032 DE singleSIM recovery image lying around?
As I am currently living in South Africa and internet is not reall stable it would be amazing if someone could offer just the recovery file instead of the whole 500-600MB dump.

I have a Canadian xt1032 running stock Telus 4.4.4 firmware. Not sure if that recovery would work but I could find it if you want to try it.
Don't forget to unroot too.

I unrooted too using SuperSU and managed to restore the stock recovery using MotoTool (find it on XDA). These are the basic requirements for installing an OTA. But after the OTA is downloaded and I try to install it, the process starts and in about 10 seconds it displays "Error" and boots to 4.4.4 again. Any recommendations?

^^did you remove any of the stock Motorola apps?

No, and Motorola Update Services is updated to the last version.

audit13 said:
I have a Canadian xt1032 running stock Telus 4.4.4 firmware. Not sure if that recovery would work.
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I doubt it - and fear what might happen if it goes wrong, to be honest. But thanks a lot for the offer. I was able to locate a Retail package for the DE version and will try to download the whole beast, hoping that the connection is stable for these 3 hours.

Even though nobody answered me, I found out what's going on. Lollipop OTAs cannot be installed on modified devices.

You could try out some custom ROM if you are unable to get the official 4.4.4. Carbon and CM11 are some customs ROMs I know of.
There are great unofficial ROMs on the moto g xda forum too!! Don't forget to have a look.
Sent from my Moto G using XDA Free mobile app

I'm thinking of Resurrection Remix 5.0.2

You could also check out mokee, crdroid, xperience. And don't forget to check out the ROMs in the forum list
Sent from my Moto G using XDA Free mobile app

One question man. I have 4.4.4 installed. Do I have to install stock 5.X in order to get lollipop bootloader before installing any ROM?

dimsar2013 said:
Even though nobody answered me, I found out what's going on. Lollipop OTAs cannot be installed on modified devices.
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how did you manage to un-modify your device? I just bought the Moto G (2013) and have unlocked the bootloader and installed TWRP and haven't had any luck installing ANY firmware after 4.4.4.... I'm always getting stuck on the bootlogo and have to return back to stock 4.4.4...

pables69 said:
how did you manage to un-modify your device? I just bought the Moto G (2013) and have unlocked the bootloader and installed TWRP and haven't had any luck installing ANY firmware after 4.4.4.... I'm always getting stuck on the bootlogo and have to return back to stock 4.4.4...
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You need to have factory firmware and recovery installed in order to update via OTA.
Sent from my XT1031™

[Q] HELP!!! Moto G 1032 model lollipop reboot when uninstalling apps

Hello forum, basically, when I got my moto G, it was on 4.3, so I did all the bits, and the step i did after all the rooting unlocking etc was upgraded my bootloader to the lollipop one (ending in 8 i believe) - which i wish i didnt do, and cant downgrade to 4.4.4 (or can I without bricking)......right back to the story.......the problem now is, whenever i try uninstalling apps, or wiping data in any app etc, my phone does a reboot, I installed the brazillian 5.0.2 flashable rom (the optimised one) which worked perfectly, did all the correct wipes etc, but it reboots when uninstalling apps......, and thought i would try dirty unicorns....works well except the rebooting problem...... help....what can I do????????
I read somewhere that maybe to solve it, you gotta change runtime from dalvik to ART, but there is no option to change this....
There are no 5.0.2 uk images available that i have read (so i cant completely get back to complete factory settings)
I really wished i kept the KK bootloader!!!! so who can help me????? I want to try some of the great CM11 builds!!!

Since your bootloader is unlocked and you have the lollipop bootloader, I suggest flashing the stock 4.4.4 (not 4.4.2) ROM for your xt1032 (you will not be able to flash the motoboot file so don't bother trying), upgrade the Motorola apps via Play store, and take the 5.02 OTA update.
FInd your stock ROM here: http://www.filefactory.com/folder/c6cdedc45a775d27/?sort=filename&order=ASC&show=100&page=1

audit13 said:
Since your bootloader is unlocked and you have the lollipop bootloader, I suggest flashing the stock 4.4.4 (not 4.4.2) ROM for your xt1032 (you will not be able to flash the motoboot file so don't bother trying), upgrade the Motorola apps via Play store, and take the 5.02 OTA update.
FInd your stock ROM here: http://www.filefactory.com/folder/c6cdedc45a775d27/?sort=filename&order=ASC&show=100&page=1
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do i have to update to 5.0.2 again? as i want to try cm11 again

@audit13 is this a flashable zip, or do you need to do it via fastboot? as its got a bootloader included in the zip (4.4.4 kitkat bootloader)

The files from filefactory need to be unzipped and flashed via fastboot or mfastboot.
You do not need to do anything with the stock ROM if you want to install a custom ROM. All you need to do is install a compatible custom recovery and a custom ROM. I suggest flashing right to the latest CM12 rather than using CM11.
I suggested flashing back to the stock for your phone and upgrading to 5.02 via OTA to see if the uninstall problem goes away.

yep understood @audit13 read your other posts on this matter too, the reason I want to use a cm11 rom, is I had a moto g about 8-9 months ago, and there was a rom i loved, and it was cm11 based......will i brick if i do flash this cm11 rom? i know about flickering bug, and possible hard brick if i went back to versions below 4.4.4 ...... and i love cyanogenmod roms, as i dont get irritating moto updates etc

Flashing CM11 should not be a problem as CM11 ROMs do not touch the bootloader or modem.

so basically, downgrade to the 4.4.4 firmware file, and cm11 and im done? yeah?

You can try to flash cm11 directly over stock 5.02. If it doesn't work, you may have to flash back to stock 4.4.4, install recovery, and then flash cm11.

[Help] Upgrading from 5.0.2(kitkat bootloader) to 5.1

I have reflashed(clean install= wiped data/cache/system) 5.0.2 Asian lollipop stock rom,which doesnt upgrade bootloader i.e im on kitkat bootloader. after flashing, i lost root access and i'm on stock recovery. And Now I got 5.1 OTA, can i install it or not? Because while turning on my device, i get custom image first and then motorola animation,i get this custom image because i have made it by moto g boot logo creator + flasher.
[TIA]

pagadalachetan said:
I have reflashed(clean install= wiped data/cache/system) 5.0.2 Asian lollipop stock rom,which doesnt upgrade bootloader i.e im on kitkat bootloader. after flashing, i lost root access and i'm on stock recovery. And Now I got 5.1 OTA, can i install it or not? Because while turning on my device, i get custom image first and then motorola animation,i get this custom image because i have made it by moto g boot logo creator + flasher.
[TIA]
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Yes you can flash the OTA update without any issues. Considering your bootloader is 41.18 you wont be having any trouble and obviously since you clean flashed 5.0.2 surely your bootloader must have updated itself automatically

thuva06 said:
Yes you can flash the OTA update without any issues. Considering your bootloader is 41.18 you wont be having any trouble and obviously since you clean flashed 5.0.2 surely your bootloader must have updated itself automatically
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Thanks thuva... My bootloader version is 41.08 I.e KitKat bootloader