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I'm currently trying to choose my first smartphone, and am having real trouble narrowing it down. At the moment it's between an S3, One X+ or a Nexus 4. However this isn't a versus thread, I'm asking about the development communities for Samsung and HTC devices.
1. Which company (HTC and Samsung) is more supportive to developers, and which flagship phone has the best support from developers themselves?
I'm guessing since the S3 is more popular, it has better developer support, but I also hear that Samsung refuse to release an Exonys source code or something, whereas HTC allows bootloaders to be unlocked, but that doesn't mean it's particularly easy to install custom kernals or roms to HTC devices. Do either of those issues affect the S3 or One X?
2. Which device out of the S3 and One X currently has stable roms that have most original features working (like fully functioning GPS, wifi, camera and all that)?
If I were to get a non-Nexus device, ideally I'd like to flash it back to stock Android to have them as close as a Nexus device as possible, or with a custom rom based on stock android.
3. If you had to order all the manufacturers in terms of the quality and quantity of bug-free custom roms available, and ease of installing them, how would you order it?
For example, Nexus > Samsung > Motorola > HTC > Asus, or whatever.
Also for those asking why I don't simply go for the Nexus 4, it's because the build quality issues frighten me a bit.
Smeghead_ said:
I'm currently trying to choose my first smartphone, and am having real trouble narrowing it down. At the moment it's between an S3, One X+ or a Nexus 4. However this isn't a versus thread, I'm asking about the development communities for Samsung and HTC devices.
1. Which company (HTC and Samsung) is more supportive to developers, and which flagship phone has the best support from developers themselves?
I'm guessing since the S3 is more popular, it has better developer support, but I also hear that Samsung refuse to release an Exonys source code or something, whereas HTC allows bootloaders to be unlocked, but that doesn't mean it's particularly easy to install custom kernals or roms to HTC devices. Do either of those issues affect the S3 or One X?
2. Which device out of the S3 and One X currently has stable roms that have most original features working (like fully functioning GPS, wifi, camera and all that)?
If I were to get a non-Nexus device, ideally I'd like to flash it back to stock Android to have them as close as a Nexus device as possible, or with a custom rom based on stock android.
3. If you had to order all the manufacturers in terms of the quality and quantity of bug-free custom roms available, and ease of installing them, how would you order it?
For example, Nexus > Samsung > Motorola > HTC > Asus, or whatever.
Also for those asking why I don't simply go for the Nexus 4, it's because the build quality issues frighten me a bit.
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I'm gonna km this now before it turns into what we both know will happen.
I will put it to you this way. No ROM is bug free and never will be. To many personal options for the dev the test out. XDA is not about ROMs. It is about development. While you may think they are the same, they are not. Development is all about trying new things and making new stuff up as you go along. Not how stable you can make a ROM.
Each device has its followers and its fans. You will find most of the OG developers prefer HTC ad this is where we all started. Then enter the android devs they tend to lean to the nexus as it was built to use the open source drivers. Unlike the rest. Samsung makes good screens but the refusal to release the code or anything to help is an end game for most.
People will always jump to the newest thing. This is how they are programmed to be. Get a device that does what you need and the rest will follow
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Batcom2
Hi
My current device is the Galaxy S3 i9300. I have found that the android development section for the s3 is plagued with limitations due to the manufactures (Samsung & other parties) holding back the sources. This results in lag, glitches etc ...stuff not working as good as it could.
My question is : does the Nexus 5 face the same limitations as the s3 due to google or lg holding sources back, causing things not to be working in custom roms?
I like what I see with the Nexus 5 but I want to be sure that I'm not falling into the same trap again before I buy one
Thanks in advance
You will not see the same limitations you see with the s3 on the n5. Almost everything is open source and you won't see locked bootloader, a bunch of carrier crap, etc
Sent from my Nexus 5
steve.p.russell said:
Hi
My current device is the Galaxy S3 i9300. I have found that the android development section for the s3 is plagued with limitations due to the manufactures (Samsung & other parties) holding back the sources. This results in lag, glitches etc ...stuff not working as good as it could.
My question is : does the Nexus 5 face the same limitations as the s3 due to google or lg holding sources back, causing things not to be working in custom roms?
I like what I see with the Nexus 5 but I want to be sure that I'm not falling into the same trap again before I buy one
Thanks in advance
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Nexus`s are build to be customised, you won`t find KNOX or bootloader unlockcode.bin`s (both will void warranty when triggered) here. Happy flashing mate Read the first 4 threads in the General Section well before you do anything . And don`t use tookits.
You obviously have never owned a Nexus. The Nexus isn't locked down like Samsung, HTC, etc. There are no hurdles to jump over when unlocking or modifying. Google makes there phones this way on purpose. That is why nexus phones are the best for ROMs and other modifications. Get a Nexus 5 and you will see how easy it is.
Nexus phone are developer phones. They're created to be modified, tampered, and messed with. You won't find any limits here, so go mental ?.
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WI FI Direct
But wi fi direct does not work which is really annoying wish i had knew that before i bought my N5 last week i would have gone for the LG G2 which to tell the truth i think is better.:cyclops:
chainsuk said:
But wi fi direct does not work which is really annoying wish i had knew that before i bought my N5 last week i would have gone for the LG G2 which to tell the truth i think is better.:cyclops:
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I'm the opposite of you. I have the G2 but feel like I want a 5.
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As i say though wi fi direct does not work yet which is annoying im just hoping they fix it soon as its software problem not hardware,apart from that its a nice phone
With a Nexus you can go as far as the mind can see... or as far as its fans want it to go.
Samsung don't release Exynos source. Actually Qualcomm also don't release snapdragon source either.
However, difference being, google releases full AOSP source code for Nexus 5 where as Samsumg does not, so unlike my old GT-i9300, Camera can still work, audio can still work as well as it would on stock. Samsung only release blobs and no HAL so that's why it suffers,
There will always be limitations developing new features on qualcomm devices, BUT existing features on N5 can work as well as stock. No hardware in the android world is truly / fully open source because of the proprietary nature of SoCs, but as long as the AOSP repository includes everythign we need to run that hardware, it's not so much a big deal.
Hi there guys, i want to ask if somebody can create a template for Nokia 3 without using a launcher. Or if possible, to create a modified ROM that is able to slide the apps from menu horizontally and not vertically, if it possible to remove the apps border from the home menu, if it possible to remove the white background in menu with an wallpaper, and to show the rounded icons.
Here is my idea:
prntscr.com/gx9tf9
prntscr.com/gx9tnd
Any help is appreciated by entire Nokia 3 community.
Why not use a launcher?
PreetyFlash said:
Hi there guys, i want to ask if somebody can create a template for Nokia 3 without using a launcher. Or if possible, to create a modified ROM that is able to slide the apps from menu horizontally and not vertically, if it possible to remove the apps border from the home menu, if it possible to remove the white background in menu with an wallpaper, and to show the rounded icons.
Here is my idea:
prntscr.com/gx9tf9
prntscr.com/gx9tnd
Any help is appreciated by entire Nokia 3 community.
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Hey, Friend, I have Desktop for ROM building, i know how to build, but, on Google i can't find any source code of this phone, i have Nokia 3 too, and I don't think it is possible to mod or Modify ROM! Any Ideas?
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Just thinking out loud....MIUI ROM development would be very much appreciated. I've always imagined nokia with miui running it.
Rudroid00 said:
Just thinking out loud....MIUI ROM development would be very much appreciated. I've always imagined nokia with miui running it.
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miui is very hard to port, lineageos/rr/aosp is easier to port. We need to find ROM with same specs (same CPU, same GPU, same RAM) or similar specs. Just port ROM need to have same kernel version as stock ROM (3.18.35+ for Nougat or 3.18.60+ for Oreo).
I think because of the regularity of updates, people are less concerned about custom roms. At last I am less concerned about them. It says something when i'll rather stick with the stock recovery than with a custom one
Nokia 3 (TA-1032) Turn on recover mode and unlock Bootloader
I have Android Oreo on My Nokia Phone.
Anyone Help me to unlock my bootloader and turn on recovery mode to my Nokia 3 (TA-1032)
redweaver said:
I think because of the regularity of updates, people are less concerned about custom roms. At last I am less concerned about them. It says something when i'll rather stick with the stock recovery than with a custom one
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i only care about custom roms because nokia stock roms are bad in performance because of a lot of system apps (deleting some system apps helped but still it's not that good) and a lot of RAM usage.
RootingPro-18 said:
Hey, Friend, I have Desktop for ROM building, i know how to build, but, on Google i can't find any source code of this phone, i have Nokia 3 too, and I don't think it is possible to mod or Modify ROM! Any Ideas?
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It's out now
Thank you
Nikola Jovanovic said:
It's out now
Thank you
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I do not own Nokia 3!
RootingPro-18 said:
I do not own Nokia 3!
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Yeah I remember you said you sold the one you had
Need nokia to share some Source of Kernel or it official rom , and then someone could work it out
Invantion261 said:
Need nokia to share some Source of Kernel or it official rom , and then someone could work it out
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It's mentioned in another Nokia 3 thread here on XDA that the kernel and source codes ect are already available......
Here's the thread.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/nokia-3/how-to/nokia-3-kernel-source-availble-t3791637
Kernel source is out for nokia 3
why there is no development on Nokia 3
even when the kernel source is released and bootloader is unlockable now
tech2update said:
why there is no development on Nokia 3
even when the kernel source is released and bootloader is unlockable now
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Probably because there is no development on other Nokia devices either?
Someone has asked for MIUI on the Nokia 3.
Why?
MIUI is absolutely terrible and not something I want to see or use.
I really think because of Nokia's almost stock android no one can really be bothered to develop them right now.
I might be wrong and would love to see a lineage or AOSP ROM but why bother if we are getting android P eventually? (As announced by Nokia / HMD a few weeks ago)
bubba1601 said:
Probably because there is no development on other Nokia devices either?
Someone has asked for MIUI on the Nokia 3.
Why?
MIUI is absolutely terrible and not something I want to see or use.
I really think because of Nokia's almost stock android no one can really be bothered to develop them right now.
I might be wrong and would love to see a lineage or AOSP ROM but why bother if we are getting android P eventually? (As announced by Nokia / HMD a few weeks ago)
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There Are Many Unwanted Apps And Blots In Nokia Stock Ui And Battery Performance Is Very Poor.
tech2update said:
There Are Many Unwanted Apps And Blots In Nokia Stock Ui And Battery Performance Is Very Poor.
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Unwanted apps? Name them? I don't have any unwanted or unnecessary apps, I have what I want and need and no bloat.
The stock UI is the best I've ever used, and battery is much better since the Oreo update.
I'll admit it was very poor running nougat.
Name me another cheap android device that getting updated to android P and gets regular Google security updates guaranteed for two years?
There isn't many......
Obviously your opinion is totally respected but I can only tell you I'm happy with my device as it is, no other device I've had recently gives me such a lag free or problematic time as the Nokia does, it's flawless (to me)
I do notice many complaints about the Nokia 3 though, so others must be using their device differently or more heavily than I do.
Anyway, what's that got to do with this discussion?
If no other Nokia devices are being actively developed do you really honestly think someone is going to start just because you think it has alot of unnecessary apps installed or the battery is poor?
No, of course not.
If there was a lineage or AOSP ROM I would use it, definitely.
I have a device on lineage 15.1 and it's very good.....
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If no one is interested in developing this device then it won't happen, whatever you or me think.
bubba1601 said:
The stock UI is the best I've ever used, and battery is much better since the Oreo update.
I'll admit it was very poor running nougat.
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Agree, it's really nice. I compared it to my Axon 7 and of course Axon 7 is faster but surprisingly Nokia 3 kept apps in multitasking same as Axon 7 and battery is much better. Battery is very good with both Oreo and Nougat.
I think the fact that there are regular updates is another reason why people aren't so charged up about custom roms.
I think lineage is still on 7.x, nokia 3 is on 8.x and will probably reach 9.x well before Lineage.
Also, if the source code had been available last year when the phones where still new, custom roms might have been made, but now it has become last year's phone.
Some of us also remember the hoops we had to go through just to unlock the bootloader.
Maybe when they no longer release updates for the phone, if it's still popular enough, people might start to develop again
Coming from the Nexus 5x and there are many Oreo roms..so i was wondering why there ist noch Oreo Rom for the Pixel..? And dont get me wrong..i have no problem with that..Just wonderering
With Kind regards
Ah..OK..after some reading..the first step is not really good finished yet..custom Recovery and root.
Wow..never was thinking that root and other stuff will be so complicated as on an iPhone to get it Jailbreaked
Are we in the point that google want that we just use our phones..?
Then we dont need sources and others...
..sorry..but i must write it down here..and hope to get some answers..
.. because the way to get all things done..from the HTC desire (bravo with Android 1-2) till the Nexus 5x and Samsung s6 was always the same..and now this..
I have for sure some Experience to look behind some curtain..but atm i am a bit frustrated
Root is no problem, fastboot boot to TWRP and install it.
This phone is much more challenging than other handsets due to the fact Google has implemented dual booting partitions. It also seems they aren't as interested in the developer community now that they are making their own phones and not just putting out an OS for Android. So, this handset isn't as friendly for devs, except for those who are really into masochistic behavior (self punishment). If you're looking for a really robust developer community you probably should stick to Samsung or a few other manufacturers and avoid Google for the foreseeable future.
Just my thoughts.
Really unbelievable that there are no ROMs due to those issues.
Will sell my Pixel and keep my Nexus 6P
I'm thinking of selling my pixel and getting a oneplus 5, or waiting to see how the modding scene evolves for the razor phone.
Truly disappointed the pixel line didn't follow on from nexus devices.
I will do so.
Got my pixel used and defective, Google will replace it for free so I will be able to sell it as new.
Would it be possible to install substratum and xposed framework?
Thought of getting nexus 6p,but bought the pixel thinking that it would get more development..
now I'm regretting that decision..?
I would of thought there would be possibly some way of reformatting the partition size or even changing partitions completely
acidspider said:
I would of thought there would be possibly some way of reformatting the partition size or even changing partitions completely
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for that ..S-off is needed..but a great idea through
Really funny how things have changed. It wasn't that long ago that if you wanted a phone that was easy to root, and had tons of developers, with tons of ROM options, you got a Nexus. Now that the Pixels are here, it's just the opposite.
The only saving grace is Google will continue supporting the pixel until October 2019 so I'm not going to be stranded with a phone I can't update.
Got the XL as a warranty replacement for my almost 2 year old 6P that had battery dying issues.
I do like the XL, have it rooted with Magisk, just waiting for Pure Nexus. If revo gets Xposed working Oreo, may not go custom rom at all.
Not many things the phone can't do that requires custom
bootloader unlock and custom kernel if required for some tweaks, however
pure android is actually freaking lovely
is any other device on oreo? let alone 8.1 (if you have beta)
y2grae said:
Not many things the phone can't do that requires custom
bootloader unlock and custom kernel if required for some tweaks, however
pure android is actually freaking lovely
is any other device on oreo? let alone 8.1 (if you have beta)
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Quite a few devices are getting both official and unofficial 8.0 updates. As far as 8.1 I'm pretty sure it's still in beta so it's only available for the Google family of devices as there is no way to look into the source of the beta and try to compile it for other phones.
There are more issues than the A/B partition scheme that these phones have:
1) They are extremely expensive so there were not too many people who bought them in the first place
2) There are a lot of people and devs who have sold their Pixels for Pixel 2's
3) Project Treble which sounded like a good idea has actually caused more problems for this phone for custom development, which did not affect any Nexus models. All the kinks related to this need to be worked out too as it is a new issue as of Oreo
You will see some rom action in the foreseeable future though
hardslog said:
There are more issues than the A/B partition scheme that these phones have:
1) They are extremely expensive so there were not too many people who bought them in the first place
2) There are a lot of people and devs who have sold their Pixels for Pixel 2's
3) Project Treble which sounded like a good idea has actually caused more problems for this phone for custom development, which did not affect any Nexus models. All the kinks related to this need to be worked out too as it is a new issue as of Oreo
You will see some rom action in the foreseeable future though
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Can you share a link where I can find the OMNIROM you are actually runningp please ?
Thank you !
vlucchetti said:
Got the XL as a warranty replacement for my almost 2 year old 6P that had battery dying issues.
I do like the XL, have it rooted with Magisk, just waiting for Pure Nexus. If revo gets Xposed working Oreo, may not go custom rom at all.
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How would you rate the Pixel against the Nexus 6P?
Is it worth the upgrade?
I got a broken 6P for 80€ and a broken Pixel for 180€
Both were replaced (Nexus against Nexus, cause it was bought from 3rd party and not Google).
Nexus would sell for 250€, Pixel for 400€
Sui77 said:
How would you rate the Pixel against the Nexus 6P?
Is it worth the upgrade?
I got a broken 6P for 80€ and a broken Pixel for 180€
Both were replaced (Nexus against Nexus, cause it was bought from 3rd party and not Google).
Nexus would sell for 250€, Pixel for 400€
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I miss my 6P, thought it was an awesome phone but the battery issue SOT of 2 hours after 2 years was killing me. Got the XL as a warranty replacement for virtually nothing, so it was a win-win.
Once the custom roms roll out, it will rival or exceed the 6P, I have no doubt.
Although the kernel source is available, there aren't any projects, custom roms/kernels, no miui modifications and barely working custom recovery.. I get it the device is new but so are other devices that have so much projects... But why is our device so empty? I bet it has a huge potential for custom teams..
Xiaomi isn't interested in actively supporting independent ROM development for their devices. The reason there is a lot of development for One Plus phones is that One Plus sends free phones to developers. Xiaomi does not do that and wants its customers to use the stock ROM. Official LOS is supposedly in development for the Mix 2S but if you need custom ROMs you bought the wrong phone. In the future you should probably see what the development thread looks like before buying.
What about other Xiaomi devices? They have custom support.
Well the custom recovery is actually working pretty good. You can use the treble roms, rr is daily driver ready... Currently there are people working on aosp for our device, when we have a working aosp other roms will follow based on it
If you look into how many devices were sold, you'll figure out why so little development.
ManicStreetPreacher said:
If you look into how many devices were sold, you'll figure out why so little development.
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I can see that, but it's definitely surprising how few official developer ROMs (zero) have been released since this phone has been in existence. I know it's been stated that developers are working on it, but I haven't seen anything.
The camera is the constraining factor. No point having a good custom ROM if there is no GCam or MIUI camera port because you could have got a much cheaper phone if you don't care about camera.
I really regret buying this buggy device. Last time I buy something that doesn't run stock Android out of the box.
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The camera is the constraining factor. No point having a good custom ROM if there is no GCam or MIUI camera port because you could have got a much cheaper phone if you don't care about camera.
I really regret buying this buggy device. Last time I buy something that doesn't run stock Android out of the box.
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So you say people buy this phone only because of the good camera?
What cheaper phone could you get with the same performance as 845?
MIUI port already exist, yes for other devices, but it can be made for 2S with a finger snap. Devs just don't have interest in this device, sadly..
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So you say people buy this phone only because of the good camera?
What cheaper phone could you get with the same performance as 845?
MIUI port already exist, yes for other devices, but it can be made for 2S with a finger snap. Devs just don't have interest in this device, sadly..
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I do not care about processor. I just wanted full-screen with no notch and a good camera.