Related
My infuse has pissed me off enough and I'm looking to upgrade ASAP. I was looking at the note 2, but then I realized the ONLY upgrades are quad core and 2GB of RAM. Almost everything else is DOWNGRADED. Did samsung have pothead 12-year-olds on the dev team for this one?
Note: If you're going to read past this point you're not allowed to comment on how much I hate my Infuse. You live your life, I'll live mine, k?
I guess my question is should I just get the original note since it'll be much cheaper once they release the note 2, and I don't need a quad core?
I would get the note 2 if I wanted to but I don't want to kinda because when samsung does crap like this:
Development dies quickly
Nobody buys it
It ends up like the Infuse with the best xda devs quickly leaving for real devices designed by people that clearly understand what they're doing
When it loses xda dev support, it starts pissing me off like the infuse does
The original note would be a very good choice. It seems several people have used upgrades for the SGS3 and are very pleased. I have the international (quad core) SGS3 and will be keeping it for quite sometime.
TheNetwork said:
My infuse has pissed me off enough and I'm looking to upgrade ASAP. I was looking at the note 2, but then I realized the ONLY upgrades are quad core and 2GB of RAM. Almost everything else is DOWNGRADED. Did samsung have pothead 12-year-olds on the dev team for this one?
Note: If you're going to read past this point you're not allowed to comment on how much I hate my Infuse. You live your life, I'll live mine, k?
I guess my question is should I just get the original note since it'll be much cheaper once they release the note 2, and I don't need a quad core?
I would get the note 2 if I wanted to but I don't want to kinda because when samsung does crap like this:
Development dies quickly
Nobody buys it
It ends up like the Infuse with the best xda devs quickly leaving for real devices designed by people that clearly understand what they're doing
When it loses xda dev support, it starts pissing me off like the infuse does
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What about the note 2 is a downgrade? Haven't really looked at the two in depth...but by a quick Google search it appears the only downgrade is that the note 2 has a 720x1280 resolution vs note 1 800x1280 resolution... but this is kinda expected when increasing screen size
Besides that most things seem the same or better...mainly the CPU and RAM
I don't see the note 2 being like the infuse because the note 1 was a huge success and still has a thriving dev community with some of the best devas
Plus being one of the first quad core, 2gb RAM, lte phones for Att...you can be sure it will attract the devs...only thing I can see making them leave the note 2 in the future would be for the sgs4...when ever that comes out
If you don't care about CPU and ram then don't get the note 2...stick with the note 1
But if your so concerned about dev community, why would you get a predecessor? Where the logic in that? Any of the big devs of the note will likely jump ship for the note 2...
Sent from my SGH-I997 using Tapatalk 2
^^
2MP FF cam > 1.9mp
16:10 to 16:9
pulled an iphone 5 with the lengthening.
PPI is down something like 20...
TheNetwork said:
^^
2MP FF cam > 1.9mp
16:10 to 16:9
pulled an iphone 5 with the lengthening.
PPI is down something like 20...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks...
.1mp is not much of a difference and likely won't be noticed (personally I rarely use the front cam anyways...)
I like 16:9 better then 16:10 anyways...it better for videos since that's what most HD videos are set to
PPI, again 20 isn't much...and likely won't be a noticeable difference
I personally would choose the note 2 over the note 1...but it really all comes down to personal preference
But still...you kinda make a big deal about dev life, so there is still no logic in choosing a predecessor over a new device if you want the best a good dev scene -as I said earlier...a lot of the note 1 devs will likely jump ship to the note 2
But again...all personal preference
Sent from my SGH-I997 using Tapatalk 2
I'll see what happens to the price of note #1 after #2 has been out for a day or two. If it goes to like $100 or $50 I'll definitely skip over the $300 PoS with $10 worth of hardware difference.
I'll be upgrading to the note II as well. I don't think you've done enough research if you are saying everything is a downgrade.. What exactly is a downgrade? In regards to decreased screen resolution, the subPPI went up and the screen is no longer RGBG. The US Note II's are also getting Exynos + LTE... Its also skinnier than the original note which isn't a bad thing.. IMO at least.
OK you've convinced me that it's a sidegrade.
You think it's worth $200 more (probably $100 on N1 and $300 on N2 for release) for 2 more cores (which still power many phones flawlessly) and another GB of RAM when Android has the best RAM management in the world?
side note: http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/devices/samsung/galaxy-note-carbon-blue.html note #1 has LTE too bud.
the rated ppi is deceptive. you are looking at pentil matrix rgbg vs real world resoloution. pentile matrix is a little weird they are geting away with high resoultion ratings by comparing it to crt tecnology. there are situations with different colors and contrasts that rgbg can create the number of lines it is rated as but it's not what is actually underlying. when you look at rgbg screens you may see a weird diagnal screen door effect depending on the colors on the screen since the pixels wind up being a little spaced out. high contrast stuff is not nearly as crisp, in effect text readability suffers. pick up an htc one x which has near iphone pixel density on an ips panel lcd and scale the text down till you can't read it, try the same on a gs3 which has a close enough screen size and the same rated resolution and you will see the ips is superior in this regard to the pentile matrix amoled. i would pick up an i777 gs2 before i got a gs3 for the size and i honestly think the i777 screen is clearer at the much lower resolution because the samoled+ is not pentile matris but thesamoled and samoled hd are.
also the older samsung devices are a 16:10 (i think this is what he tablets are, i dont feel like looking it up.) or 15:9 (most phones were this for a while) aspect ratio. this is good if the horizontal resolution is whole number scalable to hd video so there isn't a lot of estimations going on (1920x1200 would be ideal) because there is room for subtitles or the black bars just get bigger but it's often not. i'd look at horizontal res (in landscape) and compare it to common video resolutions over reading pixel count or density or vertical pixels or aspect ratio. and the .1 of an mp is nothing to worry about, i'd be more concerned about optics and firmware. i'm sure the pictures are actually improved.
about the dev community, right now the infuse is better than it's ever been. a lot of young talent is out there and guess what, they can't afford new phones, so yea dev drops off but it picks back up. if you want more dev buy a nexus or international device. the note 2 being exynos might see more dev as it may be more compatible with the international versions. i wouldn't worry about core count, watch the market, if the exynos 5 gets into a phone it's a dual core that runs with the ideal performance of the quad core, but the real world performance is much better since parallel processing isn't directly scalable. the snapdragon s4 chip (dual core) in the s3 and one x is also a beast. i'd be getting the most furture proof device. specs are almost meaningless since they don't relate to performance as directly as we would like them to.
in the end it's up to you, both great devices, the n2 will be more powerful but if the cost is a concern the n1 is still very good by any standards.
Yey finally an opinion I trust (ok I trust the rest of you but dani is an xda deity)
Dani897 said:
]
about the dev community, right now the infuse is better than it's ever been.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You hit the nail on the head with that one! The infuse has so many options and lots support! I wish mine didn't bork though -_-
My Note 3 SM-N9005 just died of SDS... it's on its wat to Samsung...
Thinking of a new large size phone: any news when the Sammy Note 4 will be out? September or before summer? Any leaks? Any info?
Any suggestioon for a similar size specs device?
Likely fall as usual
Sent from my SM-N900T using Tapatalk
arcanexvi said:
Likely fall as usual
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What's the closest or better competitor (same size & specs) in your opinion?
HTC One Max.
It's a beautiful phone with comparable specs to the Note 3.
Course, that's if you can get over the sealed unit with non removable battery and no memory card slot.
Sent from my SM-N9005 using XDA Free mobile app
Ryo Misaki said:
HTC One Max.
It's a beautiful phone with comparable specs to the Note 3.
Course, that's if you can get over the sealed unit with non removable battery and no memory card slot.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks, I'll have a look at it. I'll check how much RAM & Storage mem it has.
G3 or another note 3 are in your future
Sent from my SM-N900T using Tapatalk
1+ one CyanogenMod device
Sent from somewhere under the sky, at the corner of this rounded earth.
Oppo Find 7... Specs look good and it seems a solid choice. You can root and change roms too... About $600 from Oppo.com...
ultramag69 said:
Oppo Find 7... Specs look good and it seems a solid choice. You can root and change roms too... About $600 from Oppo.com...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Costs the same as the LG G3 but has no camera lens stabilizer and less memory. Besides... it's made by Oppo!
Oppo = unreliable!
Oppo has a very bad reputation amongst Home Theatre lovers... it's a young company that cuts corners on warranty and tech support.
Looks like LG G3 or another Samsung...
I think the xperia z2 is the closest to the note 3
Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk
alom5 said:
I think the xperia z2 is the closest to the note 3
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I made a little matrix and I agree: the Xperia Z2, LG G3, hTC One Max are the closest devices to the Note 3.
Oppo is in a completely different reliability, quality, reputation, brand, etc league. It's like comparing a shoot off between Maradona and Pelé and trying to squeeze in a player from a 3rd level local league only because he can boast o good goal average! Specs alone mean nothing...
:laugh: LOL!
But I do appreciate, very much, all the suggestions, including the Oppo. I looked up all these devices and I'm considering the LG G3 and the Experia Z2. In the end the screen size will decide it, I think... Experia Z Ultra is a generation behind the Z2/G3
Last question: does the android community develop for both the One Max, Z2 and G3?
The Note 4 will be announced at the Samsung Unpacked event on 3 september 2014, two days prior to the IFA, in Berlin.
It'll be available in the shops around the last week of September worldwide, and the first or second week of October for the US.
Most high-end devices today have specs near to the Note 3, the only difference lies in the amount of RAM.
OP trust me. If you were using note 3 then only the Note3 itself or Note 4 can meet your expectations. No other phone is worth it.
Let me tell you some of the major faults in current flagships that is like a stab in the back of N3 user if he tries to move away from N3 :
1. HTC M8: low res camera. Boomsound grills placement uncomfortable to pick up calls on left ear. I.E 1/3rd of the grills on the phones left side are not open. You need to carefully see it. Well note also that 2/3rd of the grill holes are not cut out on the bottom boomsound speaker.
2. One Max : Low res camera.
3. Z2 : inconsitant camera photo quality at all but 8MP superior auto. Overheats a lot. Unable to record 4k > 1 min because camera app force closes because of overheat. 4k recording is pretty inconsistent. Sunlight visibility is pathetic.
4. G3 : Beware of this beautifull monster. The contrast ratio is pathetic.. its in 3 digits. Everything will look dull to you as especially you are going from N3 infinite contrast ratio screen. Sunlight visibility is, let's put it this way, screen is not visible in sunlight.
S5: Lesser battery life compared to Note3. Lesser internal memory compared to Note3 , if 32GB version is available then it's ok. Also the dimpled back is no match for N3's professional stylish black leather finish plastic back. Also black N3 has brushed metal look in bezels.
So my suggestion is to wait for N4 or buy another N3.
Sent from my SM-N900 using Tapatalk
sachinaik said:
OP trust me. If you were using note 3 then only the Note3 itself or Note 4 can meet your expectations. No other phone is worth it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I read with your post with attention. Thank you, I appreciate the time.
- hTC M8 has a 5" display which is too small for me: I want the 5.7" or more.
- hTC Max One is closer to the N3 in size at 5.9". On the hTC One Max I like the fingerprint security but I don't like the 2GB Vs 3GB RAM... I am constantly at 3/4 RAM usage on my 3GB N3 even using Greenify and Clean Master Apps... so I'm not so sure that 2GB is enough for me... Plus the Snapdragon 600 is a bit slower than the 800 but not really a deal breaker. What is a deal breaker for me is the lower quality display: I went in a shop and on a sunny day the display is invisible! An other problem, as you pointed out, is the images which it takes... overall, not as beautiful on my PC screen as the ones from the N3. So the hTC One Max is out of the contest.
- Z2 has a smaller display so I didn't consider it.
- Z Ultra has a nice size display but not as nice under the sunlight... and Sony won't help me confirm which version runs LTE radios on both band 1 and 3 as I use 2 carriers and I need both bands. So Z Ultra too... bye bye.
- G3 I read your comment:
sachinaik said:
Beware of this beautifull monster. The contrast ratio is pathetic.. its in 3 digits. Everything will look dull to you as especially you are going from N3 infinite contrast ratio screen. Sunlight visibility is, let's put it this way, screen is not visible in sunlight.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Trusting you and other reviewers but I do like the Optical Lens stabilizer...
- S5: Display too small
So I agree with you... since my N3 is not working I have 2 options: buy a second hand N3 and wait for the new N4 or send my N3 for repairs to some repair shop as Samsung Hong Kong will not recognize my warranty (4 months old phone).
By the way, can anyone help me to find out which is the country of origin of my phone? Samsung Hong Kong said it's not an HK phone but won't disclose the country of origin which is the only place where I can claim my warranty!
And... beware of the Hong Kong internet shop www.imobilephonex.com!!!
Before purchasing I emailed them asking warranty details and they replied "it is covered by an international warranty".
Problem is that this is false: Samsung HK told me that it is not and to call the seller to obtain warranty. At www.imobilephonex.com a guy called Jacky Ng asked me 300US$ to handle the "international warranty"!
Note 4? :laugh:
5.9''
Snapdragon 805 2.7GHz
3GB Ram
2K Display
16MP camera
3500mAh battery
phyowaiummg said:
Note 4? :laugh:
5.9''
Snapdragon 805 2.7GHz
3GB Ram
2K Display
16MP camera
3500mAh battery
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I wish...! but won't be that good as Samsung repeatedly said they won't join in the more MegaPixel race but, rather, go into better lens/flash/etc... 5.9" would be a dream come true!
ascanio1 said:
By the way, can anyone help me to find out which is the country of origin of my phone? Samsung Hong Kong said it's not an HK phone but won't disclose the country of origin which is the only place where I can claim my warranty!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You can download phone info. .. This will tell you the original csc. Then you'll know which country it came from
Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk
alom5 said:
You can download phone info. .. This will tell you the original csc. Then you'll know which country it came from
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I know. But the problem is that now the phone is not working so I can't switch it on. All I can do is read the info frm under the battery: IMEI, S/N, etc
phyowaiummg said:
Note 4? :laugh:
5.9''
Snapdragon 805 2.7GHz
3GB Ram
2K Display
16MP camera
3500mAh battery
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
latest news leak said its quad HD display.. idk if its true though. rumours.
Another rumor is that it will have two versions
A flat screen and a curve screen...
Hey there,
I am looking for a new phone, kinda fed up with my previous Galaxy Wonder which was bought considering budget limits, but now I'm on to buying a new phone, for myself and for my mother.
For me, performance is the most important thing, a phone that I can keep for a couple of years without headaches, and for my mother Camera is the most important thing- she wants quality pictures with sharp images. I guess a phone which has both would be the better choice. I have come to the conclusion that just looking at MP doesn't tell you how good the camera really is (my 5 MP Carl Zeiss Nokia was way better than my friends 8 MP Sony Ericsson at the time, or it seems iPhones take very sharp pictures). So what phones do you recommend we buy (Do you guys consider iPhones and Microsoft phones like Nokia as well?)
Thankyou
Samsung Galaxy Note 4, has an incredible camera, crystal clear photo's
Note4fan said:
Samsung Galaxy Note 4, has an incredible camera, crystal clear photo's
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Galaxy S5 is great too. 16MP stills and 1080p/30fps video. GSM Arena ranked it second and first for stills and video respectively. Also a good all around phone, if you don't care about using the stock Android UI!
Have a look at the Galaxy K Zoom. It's designed as a camera that you can also use as a phone, not the 'phone with a camera'.
Alternatively, the Note 4 has a good sensor, too. And it is the most powerful phone available on the market. You can keep using that without any headaches for at least 3-4 years as high-end, and mid-end for another 2-4 after that.
The most important thing to look at for camera quality is the sensor size. The bigger the sensor, the better the photographs.
The best camera phone are the Nokia Lumia, if you want Microsoft OS, or the Xperia z3 if you want android; the latest has pretty performance and battery life, but I'm sorry I don't know nothing about Nokia because I don't like the OS let me know what will you buy :thumbup:
Inviato dal mio LG-D802
Note 4 is HUGE, i don't call those things phones tbh! and it is very expensive.
What about Xperia Z3 and Galaxy S5? Any opinions on those?
ShadowLea said:
Galaxy K Zoom. It's designed as a camera that you can also use as a phone, not the 'phone with a camera'.
The most important thing to look at for camera quality is the sensor size. The bigger the sensor, the better the photographs.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Great advise! How can I find the sensor size for a phone? Cuz I didn't see such a thing on GSM Arena Phone Specs.
K Zoom seems a fine phone, but low CPU and lots of complaints about dust getting into the phone and other issues by its users.
flywheels said:
Galaxy S5 is great too. 16MP stills and 1080p/30fps video. GSM Arena ranked it second and first for stills and video respectively. Also a good all around phone, if you don't care about using the stock Android UI!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well we don't mind the current UI we have now, is there anything that annoying about S5's UI that I should worry about?
goldendye said:
Great advise! How can I find the sensor size for a phone? Cuz I didn't see such a thing on GSM Arena Phone Specs.
K Zoom seems a fine phone, but low CPU and lots of complaints about dust getting into the phone and other issues by its users.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Right, I'd forgotten that the K Zoom only comes in the Exynos variant. Sorry about that.
Sometimes GSMArena does list the sensor size, It's under Camera > Features if they do. (For instance on the HTC M8 (1/3'' sensor size).) In some cases they list the sensor size in the review of the phone.
Sadly, it mostly comes down to Googling " [phone name] Sensor size".
The one in the Note 4 and S5 are 1/2.6”. The Note 4 also has Optical Image Stabilisation, which adds a clear advantage in terms of image quality.
HTC M8 and iPhone 5S are 1/3".
With sensors under 1", the lower the number behind the /, the better. (So 2.6 is better than 3). Admittedly sensor size isn't everything, but it's the deciding factor when it comes to sharpness, particularly in less than full-light conditions.
I have an explanation on sensor importance *somewhere*, let me dig around for it.. Edit: Ah, here it is: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=50953511&postcount=6
I remember one Lumia had a very good camera
honestly i always think iphone cam is not bad. but if if its android htc definitely have a decent cam
best detailing in note 4
best color reproduction and dynamic range in iphone 6
http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/general/best-camera-smartphone-comparisons-t2901826
ShadowLea said:
Sadly, it mostly comes down to Googling " [phone name] Sensor size".
The one in the Note 4 and S5 are 1/2.6”. The Note 4 also has Optical Image Stabilisation, which adds a clear advantage in terms of image quality.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Aha, so according to his:
Z3: 1/2.3 and , 5248 х 3936 pixels, 20.7 MP
s5: 1/2.6 and, 5312 x 2988 pixels, 16 MP
K Zoom (as the ideal camera): 1/2.3, 5248 х 3936 pixels, 20.7 MP
Clearly, Z3 is the best of three. Its camera is better than S5, and the same as K Zoom. it is smaller in size, less weight (16 grams), 0.7 inch smaller Screen (which is actually a positive feature for me), better Androind version, also will upgrade to 5.0, has radio, fast charging, none of the nonsense apps of Samsung which i really hate, better performance rate
But S5 has a one third better screen quality, Corning Gorilla Glass (I'm not sure if this is better than IPS), microUSB 3.0 (I don't think that's really important), dual video recording (maybe an app can compensate for this), better battery, and it seems it is much more efficient (21 hrs talk time compared to 12 on z3!!), better contrast ratio (i dont care)
Same chipset, same CPU, same GPU, but the endurance rate on z3 is 101h compared to 72h on S5, I don't know what that is.
I think I have chosen my phone , except the battery worries me.
goldendye said:
Aha, so according to his:
Z3: 1/2.3 and , 5248 х 3936 pixels, 20.7 MP
s5: 1/2.6 and, 5312 x 2988 pixels, 16 MP
K Zoom (as the ideal camera): 1/2.3, 5248 х 3936 pixels, 20.7 MP
Clearly, Z3 is the best of three. Its camera is better than S5, and the same as K Zoom. it is smaller in size, less weight (16 grams), 0.7 inch smaller Screen (which is actually a positive feature for me), better Androind version, also will upgrade to 5.0, has radio, fast charging, none of the nonsense apps of Samsung which i really hate, better performance rate
But S5 has a one third better screen quality, Corning Gorilla Glass (I'm not sure if this is better than IPS), microUSB 3.0 (I don't think that's really important), dual video recording (maybe an app can compensate for this), better battery, and it seems it is much more efficient (21 hrs talk time compared to 12 on z3!!), better contrast ratio (i dont care)
Same chipset, same CPU, same GPU, but the endurance rate on z3 is 101h compared to 72h on S5, I don't know what that is.
I think I have chosen my phone , except the battery worries me.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Are you looking at the Z3 or the Z3 Compact? From the specs i'd say the Compact, correct?
The reason the S5 has a better batterylife is because of the AMOLED screen. AMOLED has the advantage that black pixels are off as opposed to dark grey, meaning they don't drain power. (AMOLED is also more colour intensive and crisper.)
Contrast ratio is simply because of the darkest grey vs turned off pixels. AMOLED is the only type of screen capable of true black. Oh and it has a higher readability in direct sunlight.
IPS is a type of display, not a type of glass. Corning Gorrila Glass (3) is very tough, but I don't know what's on the Z3 or how it holds out in tests. You can always look up droptests on Youtube.
MicroUSB3 isn't important, as the MTP protocol slows down transfer speed right down to the USB2 values anyway. Samsung dropped USB3 on newer devices.
The S5 doesn't have a radio, no. That bothers a great many of us, myself included.
The Snapdragon 801 is the part that has the fast charging. All S801 devices have it.
Touchwiz is a waste of time and space, on that I fully agree. (They laughed at me when I told them so, though.) Fortunately they've changed the principle a bit so that it doesn't come with 100 bloatware anymore, but there's still some of it installed. Mainly, Touchwiz. (ugh!)
The S5 has KNOX, which you can't not trip whilst flashing custom roms. It voids your warranty.
In terms of security the S5 has a fingerprint scanner.
There's one other thing to the S5 I should mention, and that's the disgustingly ugly UI colour scheme. Which you can't change.
the tl:dr version:
- The S5 screen is AMOLED, which turns black pixels off. That doubles the battery life.
- IPS is a type of LCD display, (The S5 has AMOLED) Gorrilla Glass is a type of treated scratch resistent glass.
- All Snapdragon 801 devices have Fast Charging.
- USB3 is a waste, MTP doesn't allow USB3 speed.
- The Z3 has a radio.
- S5 has KNOX.(negative thing.)
Simply put the S5 has a better, brighter and crisper screen with better battery life; the Z3 is more compact, has a better camera and an FM radio.
You can also read these two and compare the photo's for a decent camera comparison.
Z3 Compact: http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z3_compact-review-1135p8.php
S5: http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s5-review-1064p9.php
Is the fact that Z3 Compact has non-removable battery a fact to worry about?
Obviously, Lumia has better camera. But if you want it with better performance and battery life. Z3 would be a better choice.
.SnouXza. said:
Obviously, Lumia has better camera. But if you want it with better performance and battery life. Z3 would be a better choice.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't think it does, because it's a 10 MP camera with 1/3.4" sensor size. Although yes, it is Carl Zeiss.
goldendye said:
Hey there,
I am looking for a new phone, kinda fed up with my previous Galaxy Wonder which was bought considering budget limits, but now I'm on to buying a new phone, for myself and for my mother.
For me, performance is the most important thing, a phone that I can keep for a couple of years without headaches, and for my mother Camera is the most important thing- she wants quality pictures with sharp images. I guess a phone which has both would be the better choice. I have come to the conclusion that just looking at MP doesn't tell you how good the camera really is (my 5 MP Carl Zeiss Nokia was way better than my friends 8 MP Sony Ericsson at the time, or it seems iPhones take very sharp pictures). So what phones do you recommend we buy (Do you guys consider iPhones and Microsoft phones like Nokia as well?)
Thankyou
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
CAMERA
A $100-200 dedicated camera takes much better pictures than any smartphone ever could (especially with 10x+ optical zoom). Your mum would be better off with such a camera in addition to a smartphone. At any rate, all flagships have "good enough" cameras with not a lot to choose between them. Mid-range and budget models often sacrifice the camera to meet their price points (one reason buying used high-end flagships is an option to consider).
OS
For some people iPhones/WindowsPhones/Blackberry/etc are taken into consideration particularly for the convenience of having the manufacturer control everything so you don't have to. For others, the somewhat open [source] nature of Android is paramount - it permits options that the other platforms actively prevent e.g. custom roms, privacy controls, customizations.
PERFORMANCE
You say performance is the most important thing. What level of performance?. I'll bet that a Samsung Galaxy S2 (yes S2...not S3, S4 or S5) is plenty fast enough for most people today and the Moto G is faster than that. So, is a Moto G performant enough for you? Or is it more like Nexus 5? Perhaps you need Note 4's level of performance? What activities requires the most performance on your phone currently and for the next couple of years?
Personally, I rate water/dust resistance highly (Xperia Acro S, Xperia Z/Z1/Z2/Z3/M2 Aqua, Galaxy S5, HTC Butterfly2). A 720p screen should be minimum now that the 1st gen Moto G exists. I prefer both a microsd slot and a removable battery. I would certainly want both if paying for a high-end device.
The Xperia Z3/Z3C, HTC Butterfly2, Samsung S5, Nexus 5/6 are all contenders if flagship devices are what you want. If you want to pay less, the Moto G and used flagships (Galaxy S3/S3/Note3, Xperia Z1/Z2, Nexus 5) are good options.
I am looking for a new sub 4.8” phone. I had S4 mini once and the size was perfect. I then upgraded to LG G2 and it is frequently inconvenient to carry. Actually, I care more for weight than for size, so if the phone is light, I could go for something bigger.
The things I MUST have:
- good camera: At least on the S4 level
- very good battery life
- MicroSD card slot, OR at least 50GB internal storage
- Android M: from manufacturer, I need photo quality at the highest possible level so that rules out CM13
- root
Things it would be nice to have, but can live without:
- NFC
- dual sim
- waterproof
Things I do not care for at all:
- gaming: I have been using a smartphone since 10 years now, and not once I played a game on it
- production year: I don’t care if the phone is 2016 or 2013, as long as it fits the bill
Here are the phones I already considered and rejected:
- Xperia Z3c: perfect phone with clown camera
- Xperia Z5c: after 4 hours of research it looks like Sony again made the camera not very good (might reconsider if it turns out the camera is actually good)
- Galaxy S5 mini: I read it is a downgrade form S4 mini (but if it is only about GPU then I might reconsider)
- LG G2 mini: good camera, size and battery, but no M, LTE and 1 GB of ram is a serious tradeoff
- Redmi 3: bad camera
- Mi4c: so-so camera and battery life
- Mi5: size, so-so camera
- Meizu Pro 5: OMG this phone is PERFECT... Except for being a shovel. Such a pity they never completed Pro 5 Mini.
Suggestions and comments will be appreciated.
Contry: EU
Use: phone, podcasts, camera!, navigation
I guess you have it figured out already.
Honestly,if you want a decently performing phone,the Idol 3 4.7 isn't a great choice.
If I were you,I would go straight for the Z5C,because it is a great device.
One of my friends has it,and I can tell you this:
Despite the fact that it is too small for ME,it is one hell of a mini-phone.
And also,just like on many devices,a camera can reach its full potential with right tweaks(for example 4K on the LG G2). And a SONY camera on the Z5c is no joke in general.
This is just my opinion,and I wish you luck in finding the right phone. :good:
Sent from my 6045K using Tapatalk
if need small size get iphone se. i think there is best camera phone for 4-4,8". for android - samsung a3 2016? but if you can take 5.2' size get lg nexus 5x
My friend got the lg g4 and I thought the idol 3 was light. The g4 feels half the weight, in comparison, and it has a great camera
sent from a phone running a ROM
wiemar said:
if need small size get iphone se. i think there is best camera phone for 4-4,8".
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I am a power user running all kind of production background processes on my phone. I would not be able to live with an iPhone.
wiemar said:
but if you can take 5.2' size get lg nexus 5x
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
As mentioned in the OP, I require 50+GB storage which rules out 5x.
wiemar said:
for android - samsung a3 2016?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That one is actually interesting. I will look into that. But the weigh is nearly as much as 5.2" Lg G2 and that is a bigger problem than size for me.
mrcorey said:
My friend got the lg g4 and I thought the idol 3 was light. The g4 feels half the weight, in comparison, and it has a great camera
sent from a phone running a ROM
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
According to this: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=6901&idPhone2=7080&idPhone3=7081
G4 is 10 grams heavier than large Idol 3 and 44 grams heavier than Idol 3 4.7"
impactor said:
According to this: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=6901&idPhone2=7080&idPhone3=7081
G4 is 10 grams heavier than large Idol 3 and 44 grams heavier than Idol 3 4.7"
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't dispute the numbers. Perhaps it was the shape, but it felt really light. I'd recommend the idol 3, though. It's an awesome phone for the price, which is falling every day.
sent from a phone running a ROM
Samsung’s finally taken the wraps off the much-anticipated Galaxy S8 and Galaxy S8+ — and naturally, we want to see how they compare to their predecessors. Right off the bat, there appears to be a couple of notable improvements, including larger displays and a faster processor.
Lets Find Out:
What are the Main upgrades for S8 over S7:
Design: Infinity Display & Hardware Key for β
screen-to-body ratio: ~83.6% 5.8”
Resolution: 1440 x 2960 pixels (~570 ppi pixel density)
Display: 18.5:9 HDR 10 compliant
Protection: Corning Gorilla Glass 5
Base Model Internal Storage & Speed: 64GB UFS 2.1
Front camera: 8MP f/1.7 AF
AI: Bixby virtual assistant
Chipset: Qualcomm Snapdragon 835: octa-core CPU (4xKryo 280 + 4xCortex-A53), Adreno 540 GPU.
Exynos 8895: octa-core CPU (4x2nd-gen Mongoose + 4xCortex-A53), Mali-G71 GPU
Connectivity: Cat.16/13, USB Type C 3.1, Bluetooth 5.0, AKG headphones
Sensors: Iris Sensor & Pressure Sensor
Not enough of an upgrade for me, far too similar to the S7 specs wise, and camera too
*Detection* said:
Not enough of an upgrade for me, far too similar to the S7 specs wise, and camera too
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I feel the same.
As they've gone for new design, It seems, they'll perfect this in the next version.
Especially that fingerprint sensor location. Even though it is symmetrical or suits better for the design (Check the attached Pics), its still in unconventional location.
Have to wait for Note 8 to see if they're going to change anything :angel:
Killer333 said:
I feel the same.
As they've gone for new design, It seems, they'll perfect this in the next version.
Especially that fingerprint sensor location. Even though it is symmetrical or suits better for the design (Check the attached Pic), its still in unconventional location.
Have to wait for Note 8 to see if they're going to change anything :angel:
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Fingerprint sensor is in a dumb place, this means I have to constantly pick up my phone from the desk whenever I want to unlock it, rather than just touch the front of the phone as with the S7
And no physical home button... I'm guessing there will still be a method to enter recovery and download mode, but it's not gonna be via the Home key any more
They should have added back the 16MP 16:9 camera sensor, or gone higher, 20MP 16:9
Battery also, obviously the Note 7 gave them a scare, so they've just cloned the last working battery capacity of the S7 and Edge of 3000mAh and 3500mAh, but now with a larger screen and higher resolution sucking more life out of it
Front facing camera resolution isn't really on my list of priorities, the S7's front facing camera is fine for selfies etc
It looks like they've run out of ideas, no new innovation, so are just changing things for the sake of releasing a new model, this could be the S7 v2.0 tbh
I still don't get it why had to movw fingerprint sensor on the back like on huawei models, is a bad move, getting harder to unlock screen with on hand
*Detection* said:
Fingerprint sensor is in a dumb place, this means I have to constantly pick up my phone from the desk whenever I want to unlock it, rather than just touch the front of the phone as with the S7
And no physical home button... I'm guessing there will still be a method to enter recovery and download mode, but it's not gonna be via the Home key any more
They should have added back the 16MP 16:9 camera sensor, or gone higher, 20MP 16:9
Battery also, obviously the Note 7 gave them a scare, so they've just cloned the last working battery capacity of the S7 and Edge of 3000mAh and 3500mAh, but now with a larger screen and higher resolution sucking more life out of it
Front facing camera resolution isn't really on my list of priorities, the S7's front facing camera is fine for selfies etc
It looks like they've run out of ideas, no new innovation, so are just changing things for the sake of releasing a new model, this could be the S7 v2.0 tbh
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hehe... Yeah everyone feels the same about the fingerprint sensor. But, as we have Iris Scanner, we may not prefer fingerprint scanner everytime.
We have to change our ways to handle our phone for different purposes. Thats what they think.
16MP of the same camera would've been better or if not, a dual Camera setup (which is something new and is the trend now).
As the processor is built on 10nm, the power consumption will be low. That's why they ended up being the same mAh (also due to the Note 7 fiasco & to make the phone thinner). Whatever the case may be, its not enough
After thinking about all these, most of us will stick with the S7.
Its better to wait for Note 8 / S9 for redefined version.
Will see how this S8 can hold up.
I'm upgrading, already preordered
pros:
screen
tiny bezels
2mm narrower than the s7
64gb storage
omg the screen!
software buttons
cons:
stupid fingerprint sensor location
stupid fingerprint sensor location
stupid fingerprint sensor location
stupid fingerprint sensor location
stupid fingerprint sensor location
i'll manage
I stay with s7...
Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
Actually, I've just come from the S6. I was waiting for the specs of the S8 and am very much disappointed.
For me, the camera is the most important aspect of the smartphone, and they haven't really upgraded that on the S8. From the S6 to S7 there actually is a significant difference.
The small bezels on the S8 are nice, but for me not necessary, and the lack of physical home button and the horrible placement of the fingerprint scanner are for me not good design choices. I wear glasses, so I wouldn't be able to use the iris scanner.
It is just a S7 V2, for twice the price. Yeah, no thanks. So I just bought an S7 and plan to wait for the S9 next year.
I'm sticking with my S7 as well. The "Upgrade" isn't justifiable this go around.
Like others said, not enough changed for an upgrade from the s7 - the s8 looks really good but with a screen like that I'm worried that the battery won't be as good as on the s7.
ｎｏ ｍｏｒｅ ｓａｍｓｕｎｇ ｆｏｒ ｍｅ ｉｎ ｔｈｅ ｆｕｔｕｒｅ． Ｔｈａｔ ＫＮＯＸ ｓｕｃｋｓ． ｗｈｏ ｔｈｅ ｆａｒｋ ｗａｎｔ ｔｏ ｕｓｅ ｕｎｒｏｏｔｅｄ ｒｏｍ？
I was expecting at least a bezel-less phone, a real one not a gimmick, plus, same as others the specs are about the same to me, and after a cracked screen (in my pocket) and the way the support team handled it this will be definitely an assured NO. I'll wait to see what other brands have to offer for the next one.
I was hopping for a flat version edge just doesn't do it for me.