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Is there any hope for custom ROMs with Exynos chipsets? Or is it that that actually means the death of the custom ROM industry for Samsung phones?
There are some roms for the Note 4 Exynos. So don't give up the hope for the S6.
Aqua1ung said:
Is there any hope for custom ROMs with Exynos chipsets? Or is it that that actually means the death of the custom ROM industry for Samsung phones?
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Lol don't believe of what you read on other blog or forum written by users that absolute don't know the truth.
Exynos absolutely doesn't mean the end of custom ROM.
Give a look on S3 (it's exynos) forum. Only in first page there are about 20 Roms and this for 37 pages.
20x37= 740. And this without the original development section. Is that enough for you?
The disadvantage about using Exynos instead of Snapdragon about modding is only one: AOSP ROM (google stock based). This not mean you'll not see any google pure ROM on S6; but means that they will be more unstable and with more bug due to missing source of the CPU. No other. If devs are really "powerful" they could make a better Aosp rom for a Exynos than a Snapdragon device.And for me, buy an S6 to install only Cyanogen or a ROM like that it's a suicide.
A part of this there is no other problem.
Be happy and don't worry about modding ^^
Aqua1ung said:
Is there any hope for custom ROMs with Exynos chipsets? Or is it that that actually means the death of the custom ROM industry for Samsung phones?
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My favorite Android phone was the Note 2 and it was Exynos powered and still has a ton of roms, aosp and stock.
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Yes it's dead end... If you goto Note4 original Dev section... Rayman is still trying to boot cm12....
And me on nexus 5 can run any freaking thing... Had Ubuntu running without bugs a couple of week back.... So HTC one m9 it is
As a galaxy s4 user (i9500 - Exynos powered) I can tell you that all AOSP roms are a mess. The devs need to work extra hard and there are still plenty of small (and until recently - big) bugs present.
About a few months after purchasing this device I strongly regretted it due to TW lags and inability to change to AOSP roms, and promised myself I will never buy another Exynos powered device.
Hope this answers your question.
Jhonys said:
As a galaxy s4 user (i9500 - Exynos powered) I can tell you that all AOSP roms are a mess. The devs need to work extra hard and there are still plenty of small (and until recently - big) bugs present.
About a few months after purchasing this device I strongly regretted it due to TW lags and inability to change to AOSP roms, and promised myself I will never buy another Exynos powered device.
Hope this answers your question.
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Pretty much this.
The Exynos will mean that custom ROMS are very hard to get done right on the S6. The sheer audience base though might make the developers try, but I don't think it's going to get any better than the previous Galaxy S phones.
The only way that is going to change is if Samsung opens up their information around the Exynos or if perhaps we get a Nexus version (kind of like the Nexus S and what it did for the Galaxy S i9000 variants).
Exynos = closed source
closed source = no developer interest
S6 = locked bootloader
Exynos + Locked Bootloader = double whammy
Exynos + Locked Bootloader + small non-removable battery = Disposable device with 2 year max lifespan & low re-sale value
Bugs on custom roms?? really?! thats the excuse? custom roms, specially aosp ones are full of bugs and random reboots here and there, they are by no means perfect. I'm sure the S6 will have dedicated developers just like the exynos S3 does. No worries
sauron0101 said:
Pretty much this.
The Exynos will mean that custom ROMS are very hard to get done right on the S6. The sheer audience base though might make the developers try, but I don't think it's going to get any better than the previous Galaxy S phones.
The only way that is going to change is if Samsung opens up their information around the Exynos or if perhaps we get a Nexus version (kind of like the Nexus S and what it did for the Galaxy S i9000 variants).
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Then why you guys buying the S6 and not the snapdragon S5 901F?
This makes no sense, CM support the S4 exynos but not the 901F snapdragon? all because of userbase?
allendj81 said:
Bugs on custom roms?? really?! thats the excuse? custom roms, specially aosp ones are full of bugs and random reboots here and there, they are by no means perfect. I'm sure the S6 will have dedicated developers just like the exynos S3 does. No worries
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I have a snapdragon powered S4 and I have no random reboots or any bugs with an AOSP rom. So yeah, it does help to have a snapdragon vs an exynos which is still giving developers problems with AOSP roms.
Love how "custom rom" immediately = AOSP in most people's eyes.
Goldie said:
Love how "custom rom" immediately = AOSP in most people's eyes.
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Well, it is more-or-less the holy grail for custom roms. If you get that working for a phone you can do a lot of customization done.
I want the latest android version whenever it is possible. Waiting for an OEM to release it can take a long time. Also I don't like the custom skin over android by a lot of OEM's. I hate touchwiz for example so I flashed AOSP and used another launcher.
I think if the chip is made by the phone's company, it is most likely to get a very low support. I mean, there is a load of ROMs for my Xperia P, but every single one which is not based on a stock ROM has some kind of bug (no BT working, no NFC, no FM radio, and that goes for all).
Albe95 said:
Lol don't believe of what you read on other blog or forum written by users that absolute don't know the truth.
Exynos absolutely doesn't mean the end of custom ROM.
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It means the end (practically) of stable AOSP roms - roms based on the source code of Android released by Google.
That is a very significant drawback for many users.
Albe95 said:
Give a look on S3 (it's exynos) forum. Only in first page there are about 20 Roms and this for 37 pages.
20x37= 740. And this without the original development section. Is that enough for you?
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These are generally modified or modded stock roms i.e. roms created by modifying the binary files that comprise the manufacturer's stock roms. At best, they are poor cousins of true AOSP custom roms due to lack of source files. Look up the FPBug and emmc brickbug fiascos to see how limited these modded roms are. One needs source-based roms to be able to effect real change.
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The disadvantage about using Exynos instead of Snapdragon about modding is only one: AOSP ROM (google stock based). This not mean you'll not see any google pure ROM on S6; but means that they will be more unstable and with more bug due to missing source of the CPU. No other. If devs are really "powerful" they could make a better Aosp rom for a Exynos than a Snapdragon device.And for me, buy an S6 to install only Cyanogen or a ROM like that it's a suicide.
A part of this there is no other problem.
Be happy and don't worry about modding ^^
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It doesn't matter how "powerful" a developer is.....no developer(s) can create a stable, bug-free AOSP rom for Exynos platforms without technical information and assistance that Samsung is intentionally witholding (and has been since the Galaxy S2/Note2 days).
If you care about AOSP roms for your device, the general advice is to avoid the Exynos platform for now.
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If you care about AOSP roms for your device, the general advice is to avoid the Exynos platform for now.
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This is exactly the main point! What I want to explain to other users is that AOSP ROMS =/ (not equals) ALL ROMS
Albe95 said:
This is exactly the main point! What I want to explain to other users is that AOSP ROMS =/ (not equals) ALL ROMS
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Why would anyone care for anything but AOSP ROMs? A real ROM is an AOSP-based one. All the others are just frills and laces. At best.
Aqua1ung said:
Why would anyone care for anything but AOSP ROMs? A real ROM is an AOSP-based one. All the others are just frills and laces. At best.
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Completely wrong. If a real ROM is only an Aosp then buy a Nexus. No need to but a Samsung to install only an empty ROM.
Albe95 said:
Completely wrong. If a real ROM is only an Aosp then buy a Nexus. No need to but a Samsung to install only an empty ROM.
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Believe you me, I would buy a Nexus today. Unfortunately, Nexus 5 is yesterday's news, and the next Nexus is expected in early fall at best. Not much choice for someone who needs a phone with good hardware before summer. Otherwise, if Samsung and the carriers guarantee the newest Android in no longer than one week from publication by Google, I'd be very much open to non-AOSP-supporting handsets. That, however, ain't gonna happen.
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Believe you me, I would buy a Nexus today. Unfortunately, Nexus 5 is yesterday's news, and the next Nexus is expected in early fall at best. Not much choice for someone who needs a phone with good hardware before summer. Otherwise, if Samsung and the carriers guarantee the newest Android in no longer than one week from publication by Google, I'd be very much open to non-AOSP-supporting handsets. That, however, ain't gonna happen.
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And what is the point on having latest Android in one week more than google? I may understand only if you're a developer, that you need to develop on latest build everytime otherwhise there's no need on having immediately latest version of Android.
hello
i just pre order my S6 this week end
i quit my HTC one M7 and the M9 dont interest me in term of design and fonctionality
so it my first Samsung , i always have HTC phone
so i want to know if the dev comunity is active on Samsung device (custom roms , etc.... ) ????
thx in advance for reply :good:
Off course my friend just wait till its officially released and ull see the development for this beast
demmo81 said:
Off course my friend just wait till its officially released and ull see the development for this beast
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I have a M7 currently, and I will most likely get a SGS6. Modding HTC (unlocking/rooting/custom roms & kernels) is fairly easy. How does Sammy compare to HTC? I read it's a bit more difficult for you guys. True?
I've read Sammy's with Qualcomm chips are easier to mod than the Exynos variants. True?
I've also read Samsung takes awhile to release latest kernel sources. True?
Hopefully someone can answer these questions. First Samsung TW device. My previous smartphones are in my sig.
I wouldn't really count on the development on S6 being active. You can at the very least take a look at the Galaxy S5 G900H which is the exynos variant of the S5 which barely recieve any support from developers.
Well there are ROM chefs at least but developers are close to nil.
Riyal said:
I wouldn't really count on the development on S6 being active. You can at the very least take a look at the Galaxy S5 G900H which is the exynos variant of the S5 which barely recieve any support from developers.
Well there are ROM chefs at least but developers are close to nil.
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Difference is that the S6 will ONLY be Exynos, so everyone will have the Exynos version (more users/devs), of course. With the S5, most ppl had the Qualcomm variant correct? So more users/devs for the Qualcomm version.
In the last few years, generally speaking Samsung devices with Exynos SoCs have only had fully-functional custom ROMs based on TouchWiz, but ROMs based on AOSP or CyanogenMod have had unsolvable problems with the camera, sound driver's, etc. The bottom line is, if you buy a Samsung, make sure you are perfectly content with TouchWiz or broken ROMs.
Well I heard that samsung is also planning on releasing snapdragon based s6 sometime in the future? I'm not sure as I lost my interest in s6 after they confirmed that there's no sdcard in s6. Also if development is really a big deal for you when purchasing the S6 then I say better wait first before jumping. We don't know yet if there are indeed devs willing to take on the galaxy s6 for development. For now so far I haven't heard anyone willing to unlike on HTC and other devices devs are already swarming the forums even if the device is not yet released. So if I were you... Wait a couple of weeks and observe the development progress here in the forums. If it recieves enough to get your interest then purchase one and if you're lucky enough a price drop might happen before you get your device.
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Difference is that the S6 will ONLY be Exynos, so everyone will have the Exynos version (more users/devs), of course. With the S5, most ppl had the Qualcomm variant correct? So more users/devs for the Qualcomm version.
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Yes this is what I'm talking about... There are only ROM chefs(those who specialize in modifying the stock ROM) rather than developers(those who develop custom ROMs from source code) The problem here is that Samsung won't release the "full" source code of their exynos chipsets hence any drivers that's communicating in the SoC can't be recompiled against other ROMs.
As far as I know only 1 custom kernel has been released on the G900H S5 and that barely even got any progress at all even if it's just a plain TW kernel.
CafeKampuchia said:
In the last few years, generally speaking Samsung devices with Exynos SoCs have only had fully-functional custom ROMs based on TouchWiz, but ROMs based on AOSP or CyanogenMod have had unsolvable problems with the camera, sound driver's, etc. The bottom line is, if you buy a Samsung, make sure you are perfectly content with TouchWiz or broken ROMs.
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Look at s3 for closest example
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Ave666 said:
Look at s3 for closest example
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Is the s3 a exynos only device also?
Riyal said:
Is the s3 a exynos only device also?
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Yes, exynos 4412
CafeKampuchia said:
In the last few years, generally speaking Samsung devices with Exynos SoCs have only had fully-functional custom ROMs based on TouchWiz, but ROMs based on AOSP or CyanogenMod have had unsolvable problems with the camera, sound driver's, etc. The bottom line is, if you buy a Samsung, make sure you are perfectly content with TouchWiz or broken ROMs.
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I mostly use roms which the devices was made for. Like the M7, I stuck with Sense roms. If I get the SGS6, I will stick with TW. The reason I stick with what the phone was made for is because of less bugs, and the camera is always better on the original sw, etc. So modded stock roms is what I usually go for. Hopefully some good stuff for the SGS6 in the near-future, especially since it will be a popular device.
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Well I heard that samsung is also planning on releasing snapdragon based s6 sometime in the future? I'm not sure as I lost my interest in s6 after they confirmed that there's no sdcard in s6. Also if development is really a big deal for you when purchasing the S6 then I say better wait first before jumping. We don't know yet if there are indeed devs willing to take on the galaxy s6 for development. For now so far I haven't heard anyone willing to unlike on HTC and other devices devs are already swarming the forums even if the device is not yet released. So if I were you... Wait a couple of weeks and observe the development progress here in the forums. If it recieves enough to get your interest then purchase one and if you're lucky enough a price drop might happen before you get your device.
Yes this is what I'm talking about... There are only ROM chefs(those who specialize in modifying the stock ROM) rather than developers(those who develop custom ROMs from source code) The problem here is that Samsung won't release the "full" source code of their exynos chipsets hence any drivers that's communicating in the SoC can't be recompiled against other ROMs.
As far as I know only 1 custom kernel has been released on the G900H S5 and that barely even got any progress at all even if it's just a plain TW kernel.
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Yea, i'm patiently waiting for some big news on the 3rd party support. Modded stock rom is what I was going for, not AOSP roms. I always like using what the device was made for. In this case, TW. Same with my M7, Sense. So is it still difficult for the Chefs to work on the stock rom because of Exynos (and other reasons?). Or is it sort of painless? And that does suck about the S5 (Exynos varient?) kernel situation =(
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Yes, exynos 4412
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Also with Legendary S2
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Also with Legendary S2
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Also note 2
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J-Hop2o6 said:
I mostly use roms which the devices was made for. Like the M7, I stuck with Sense roms. If I get the SGS6, I will stick with TW. The reason I stick with what the phone was made for is because of less bugs, and the camera is always better on the original sw, etc. So modded stock roms is what I usually go for. Hopefully some good stuff for the SGS6 in the near-future, especially since it will be a popular device.
Yea, i'm patiently waiting for some big news on the 3rd party support. Modded stock rom is what I was going for, not AOSP roms. I always like using what the device was made for. In this case, TW. Same with my M7, Sense. So is it still difficult for the Chefs to work on the stock rom because of Exynos (and other reasons?). Or is it sort of painless? And that does suck about the S5 (Exynos varient?) kernel situation =(
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If it's just modded stock ROM you're after then you shouldn't have any problems then...
I have to admit I'm a little jealous going over to the m9 forum and seeing it full of roms already
I highly doubt the bootloader will be unlockable on the S6, greatly limiting options. No one has figured out how to unlock the S5 yet.
Unless they release a developer edition on the S6, I would prepare to have root, and possibly SafeStrap, at best.
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I highly doubt the bootloader will be unlockable on the S6, greatly limiting options. No one has figured out how to unlock the S5 yet.
Unless they release a developer edition on the S6, I would prepare to have root, and possibly SafeStrap, at best.
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Tmobile version and international have unlockable bootloaders. This phone is the reason why I switched to tmobile from at&t.
NJGSII said:
Tmobile version and international have unlockable bootloaders. This phone is the reason why I switched to tmobile from at&t.
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Oh, I wasn't aware of that. I'm on Verizon's user-unfriendly network.
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Tmobile version and international have unlockable bootloaders. This phone is the reason why I switched to tmobile from at&t.
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Sprint on the S5 is unlocked as well. The locked bootloader is usually the carrier being difficult, Verizon/AT&T.
My bet is 3-4 months for a patchwork AOSP.
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Oh, I wasn't aware of that. I'm on Verizon's user-unfriendly network.
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Yeah you have those versions you'll mostly sol when it comes to development.
Hi everybody here
I'm totally new to Samsung Development (I owned Sony Devices for many years)
I heard all across the Internet that Exynos Devices doesn't have any AOSP ROMs, all ROMs for them are TouchWiz Based.
But today I've found this : Galaxy S6 Sources By Samsung
Does this mean this device will get love from AOSP Developers? i.e CM Team?
You know, the only reason that stops me from buying this TOTALLY AWESOME device is this.
I'll buy an S6 ASAP if I it gets AOSP Support :good:
Please say if this lovely device gets AOSP or not.
Thanks, Many Regards :fingers-crossed:
Considering this is already looking to rank as one of the best selling Android devices of all time, I would highly doubt anyone suggesting we won't have AOSP based roms at some point in the near future. The exynos processor does make the matter more complicated, but not impossible. So I'd say buy with confidence if this is the only thing holding you back.
Some discussion on this topic here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6/general/dev-s6-t3075461
Hi all,
I've been caught out in the past by buying the wrong variant of a Samsung Galaxy phone. Of course, I'm looking for the one that has the most customisability. I think that means I want the Snapdragon 820 version, as the Exynos version is far less likely to have CM released for it, or be easily ROMed. I would also prefer the version with the Sony camera sensor, however that difference is less important as the reviews seem to indicate performance between the Sony and Samsung sensors are pretty close to identical.
What are the thoughts of people here? Which variant should I be looking for?
Unfortunately all snapdragon s7's have a locked bootloader, if you want root and touchwiz roms you'll want the exynos version.
http://www.expansys.fr/samsung-galaxy-s7-32gb-black-288136/
french version the best
Is it possible to port other sd845 roms to the OnePlus6? I just saw that the US Snapdragon Galaxy S9 Samsung Pie beta build has been released so their official build probably isn't far off.
I was wondering if it is possible to port other sd845 roms like this one to our phone?
What is required?
Kernel source from the other ROM I assume? (and same kernel version number?)
And someone who knows how to rebuild the kernel for the OnePlus6?
I don't really know how to do these things myself, I'm just wondering if anyone knows if it would be possible, cheers
Possible? Perhaps.. But so much work for nothing that developers just will drop the idea.
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Is it possible to port other sd845 roms to the OnePlus6? I just saw that the US Snapdragon Galaxy S9 Samsung Pie beta build has been released so their official build probably isn't far off.
I was wondering if it is possible to port other sd845 roms like this one to our phone?
What is required?
Kernel source from the other ROM I assume? (and same kernel version number?)
And someone who knows how to rebuild the kernel for the OnePlus6?
I don't really know how to do these things myself, I'm just wondering if anyone knows if it would be possible, cheers
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It is nearly impossible. Especially for a Samsung rom, which are some of the most sophisticated and bloated roms in the industry.
Its nearly impossible because Samsung rom need lots of work you need to work on every single app to make it work because they made everything work with framework they made like iphones this is why no app ports available from Samsung they added lots of features & apps into their os so they also don't Know sometimes where the problem come from if you see Samsung devices work fast in Start then slow down in few weeks.
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Its nearly impossible because Samsung rom need lots of work you need to work on every single app to make it work because they made everything work with framework they made like iphones this is why no app ports available from Samsung they added lots of features & apps into their os so they also don't Know sometimes where the problem come from if you see Samsung devices work fast in Start then slow down in few weeks.
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You're talking about porting individual Samsung apps. Yes, it's a huge headache. I know because I've done it a long time ago on older android versions, but that wasn't my question.
My question is about porting the entire rom. This way you don't have to port each app to work on a new device, because the phone will think it IS the galaxy S9. This way the Samsung framework will be included in the rom port and the apps will all work (because they are dependent on the Samsung framework to run). The difficulty lies in getting the slightly different components (other than the sd845 processor) of the OnePlus 6 to work with the S9 rom
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You're talking about porting individual Samsung apps. Yes, it's a huge headache. I know because I've done it a long time ago on older android versions, but that wasn't my question.
My question is about porting the entire rom. This way you don't have to port each app to work on a new device, because the phone will think it IS the galaxy S9. This way the Samsung framework will be included in the rom port and the apps will all work (because they are dependent on the Samsung framework to run). The difficulty lies in getting the slightly different components (other than the sd845 processor) of the OnePlus 6 to work with the S9 rom
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Since you already know about porting, and Samsung roms, shouldn't you already know the answer?
I don't remember ever seeing a Samsung rom ported to another device. But that goes back about 10 years, so maybe my memory is not good. In either case, porting a Samsung rom now would be much more difficult than 10 years ago because the complexity of their roms increases exponentially.
Appreciate if anyone is working on other skins rom!?
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Since you already know about porting, and Samsung roms, shouldn't you already know the answer?
I don't remember ever seeing a Samsung rom ported to another device. But that goes back about 10 years, so maybe my memory is not good. In either case, porting a Samsung rom now would be much more difficult than 10 years ago because the complexity of their roms increases exponentially.
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Your right. It hasn't been done. Also it wouldn't be legal to Port Samsung's proprietary files. HTC shut it down when people started porting their stuff.
The chip might be the same but all the other hardware isn't
nabbed said:
Since you already know about porting, and Samsung roms, shouldn't you already know the answer?
I don't remember ever seeing a Samsung rom ported to another device. But that goes back about 10 years, so maybe my memory is not good. In either case, porting a Samsung rom now would be much more difficult than 10 years ago because the complexity of their roms increases exponentially.
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I see your point, but just because something has never been done before doesn't mean it's not possible. Nothing in our world would have ever been invented if everyone had that mentality.
I was just saying that removing dependencies from individual apps wouldn't be necessary if the framework and whole rom was ported across to this device. I have very basic knowledge of android and I'm not a programmer but I was able to get the Samsung clock app to work on AOSP/any android device years ago, it just took a lot of trial and error and removing all the touchwiz dependencies etc. I remember playing around with the Samsung camera app trying to get it to work because the Cyanogenmod camera was so crap back then too but never got that to work. Yes I can only imagine how complex they would be making their apps and software these days.
I guess what I'm saying is that if I could manage to port the clock app and get it to work with little knowledge, I can't help but wonder what someone who knows a lot more about android development could do, this is basically what I was trying to say in my first post.
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Also it wouldn't be legal to Port Samsung's proprietary files
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Yeah... you're probably right, and Samsung would absolutely hate it if we could run their software on a $500 phone just as well as their $1500 phones! :laugh:
crixley said:
The chip might be the same but all the other hardware isn't
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This is what I'm saying in the first post, with my limited knowledge I understand that a lot of the hardware info and drivers are in the kernel? I assume it'd be a matter of Samsung releasing their kernel source for their pie build and then a oneplus 6 kernel being built with what's needed to boot a Samsung rom with oneplus 6 drivers built into the kernel? I guess I'm asking because I honestly don't know what is or would be involved, that and I'm just curious.
It's a bit of a hypothetical question I guess
kage00 said:
Is it possible to port other sd845 roms to the OnePlus6? I just saw that the US Snapdragon Galaxy S9 Samsung Pie beta build has been released so their official build probably isn't far off.
I was wondering if it is possible to port other sd845 roms like this one to our phone?
What is required?
Kernel source from the other ROM I assume? (and same kernel version number?)
And someone who knows how to rebuild the kernel for the OnePlus6?
I don't really know how to do these things myself, I'm just wondering if anyone knows if it would be possible, cheers
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Nothing is impossible. The real question is who will go through with the work of actually doing it?
Most people see Samsung in particular not the greatest example of software so it's a daunting task with little to gain from it overall. Unless if you're paying someone a hefty amount I can't see it happening anytime soon. At most maybe a Samsung like theme is the best we can get
Buy a S9+ and enjoy with their ****ty UI
Yeah, thanks for your input and amazing contribution to the conversation there @DamiDev :good:
In my whole time using Android (2009) I've seen about one successful HTC port and probably five TouchWiz attempts that people gave up on. It's not worth the time or effort for a closed source system that isn't anything worthwhile to begin with
Fair point @crixley
It's annoying that OEMs take an open source project and turn it into a closed source rom