[Q] Can you get root without custom recovery so that you can update with OTAs? - Shield Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I followed this guide to get root on 5.0.1, but I didn't realize it makes updating a pain. I saw that this user's signature says he's running stock root, but I haven't been able to find a guide for doing so on Lollipop, only using towelroot on KitKat. The only thing I use the recovery for is getting root, so I don't care about keeping CWM if there's another way. Is there some way I can keep root and also use OTA updates?

If you are rooted and have a custom recovery, don't download the OTA within the tablet. Follow this thread, download desired FULL OTA Zip (WiFi or LTE) and latest SuperSu.zip. Flash OTA (≈700MB ) and then SuperSu. Won't loose custom recovery or root.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3033730
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Ohhh and before that I used Flashify app from market to flash this TWRP recovery: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=58864006

albertorodast2007 said:
If you are rooted and have a custom recovery, don't download the OTA within the tablet. Follow this thread, download desired FULL OTA Zip (WiFi or LTE) and latest SuperSu.zip. Flash OTA (≈700MB ) and then SuperSu. Won't loose custom recovery or root.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3033730
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Ohhh and before that I used Flashify app from market to flash this TWRP recovery: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=58864006
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Yup! That's how I plan to do it for this update, but that's exactly what I'm trying to avoid doing in the future.

Quoting this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=58922383&postcount=17
An Droid said:
You won't be able to successfully flash the UPDATE .zip file (~94MB) on a rooted (read: modified) Lollipop version.
Recovery version is irrelevant.
You need the FULL 2.2 rom (already found above , ~731MB), flash it in your current custom recovery and re-root by flashing SuperSU again.
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From that, I understand that even if you have stock recovery, by being rooted, OTA wont work on you.
Just for the fact of being rooted.

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[Q] Will OTA Lollipop unroot/brick me?

Running 4.4.4 - S-OFF and ROOTED - will official OTA unroot/corrupt ROM/brick me?
j006 said:
Running 4.4.4 - S-OFF and ROOTED - will official OTA unroot/corrupt ROM/brick me?
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Just rooted? No system modifications? Reason I ask is that if you are simply rooted and haven't modified system files AND you have stock recovery installed the update will go through fine...after which you reinstall twrp and flash su.zip
dottat said:
Just rooted? No system modifications? Reason I ask is that if you are simply rooted and haven't modified system files fors AND you have stock recovery installed the update will go through fine...after which you reinstall twrp and flash su.zip
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Well, I have Xposed installed and a bunch of modules running so technically I have modified some system files, plus I have Clockwork recovery installed...
dottat said:
Just rooted? No system modifications? Reason I ask is that if you are simply rooted and haven't modified system files AND you have stock recovery installed the update will go through fine...after which you reinstall twrp and flash su.zip
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I'm still on 4.4.3 with a viper rom. I'll probably have to update to 4.4.4 in order to get to 5.0.1 right? Will updating to 4.4.4 then 5.0 allow me to keep root still? Or can I just easily flash supersu.zip through adb sideload to access root again if lost?
I won't be putting lollipop on my phone until it gets Xposed support.
j006 said:
Well, I have Xposed installed and a bunch of modules running so technically I have modified some system files, plus I have Clockwork recovery installed...
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With custom recovery = no OTA. Anyway, you are on 4.4.4. What do you want to OTA update to?
Just wait a few days after the next OTA release and you'll find the firmware files, RUU and such here on XDA, ready to be flashed in fastboot or via dottat's wonderful .exe's. Wait a few days more and your custom rom will get an update based on the latest release.
I would never chase an OTA......
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Thejimmynguyen said:
I'm still on 4.4.3 with a viper rom. I'll probably have to update to 4.4.4 in order to get to 5.0.1 right? Will updating to 4.4.4 then 5.0 allow me to keep root still? Or can I just easily flash supersu.zip through adb sideload to access root again if lost?
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If you are S-off you can always flash a custom recovery and su in recovery.
berndblb said:
With custom recovery = no OTA. Anyway, you are on 4.4.4. What do you want to OTA update to?
Just wait a few days after the next OTA release and you'll find the firmware files, RUU and such here on XDA, ready to be flashed in fastboot or via dottat's wonderful .exe's. Wait a few days more and your custom rom will get an update based on the latest release.
I would never chase an OTA......
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If you are S-off you can always flash a custom recovery and su in recovery.
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I don't necessarily want to update, but HTC/Verizon is starting to push out the OTA for Lollipop. When I had my Incredible 2 (S-OFF/CWM recovery/rooted), VZW constantly nagged me with OTA update prompts until I edited a system (build.prop maybe? I can't remember) file to trick them into thinking I already had the latest. I just don't want a repeat of that, plus I'm really not interested in updating until Lollipop has full Xposed support!
j006 said:
I don't necessarily want to update, but HTC/Verizon is starting to push out the OTA for Lollipop. When I had my Incredible 2 (S-OFF/CWM recovery/rooted), VZW constantly nagged me with OTA update prompts until I edited a system (build.prop maybe? I can't remember) file to trick them into thinking I already had the latest. I just don't want a repeat of that, plus I'm really not interested in updating until Lollipop has full Xposed support!
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Go to Settings > Apps, swipe to All and disable HTC DM. Or, even better, freeze it in TiBu.
That should take care of any update notification.

Just unboxed a 920i 128GB. 5.1.1 wants tp install. Should I? Need to have root

Again this is an SM-G920i.
Some things that I wold like to do with this phone, and it looks like I can with th 5.02.
Root
TWRP
Custon ROMS
Should I just ignore this update 5.1.1 update and work with the 5.02? I know that I can root using ping pong on the 5.02 as well as flash ROMS using FlashFire. I did this with no issues with my AT&T 920a.
diamonddaveb said:
Again this is an SM-G920i.
Some things that I wold like to do with this phone, and it looks like I can with th 5.02.
Root
TWRP
Custon ROMS
Should I just ignore this update 5.1.1 update and work with the 5.02? I know that I can root using ping pong on the 5.02 as well as flash ROMS using FlashFire. I did this with no issues with my AT&T 920a.
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If you want root just root then freeze the SDM using titanium backup. If you don't care about root take the update. It you want root then later want to unroot, first root, then, when you no longer want root, use Odin to install the latest stock firmware
Snowby123 said:
If you want root just root then freeze the SDM using titanium backup. If you don't care about root take the update. It you want root then later want to unroot, first root, then, when you no longer want root, use Odin to install the latest stock firmware
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I understand all of that completely. I tried to root via pingpong, but I was not able to install the apk. Message said App not Installed. I'll fuss some more about why the pingpong apk won't install.
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I rooted the phone via PingPong.
Dbeayon said:
I understand all of that completely. I tried to root via pingpong, but I was not able to install the apk. Message said App not Installed. I'll fuss some more about why the pingpong apk won't install.
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I rooted the phone via PingPong.
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Since you got root, Freeze or uninstall the SDM (System Updater).
That way you will no longer receive notifications to update!

Unable to Flash the Latest Incremental OTA ZNH2KAS254

Hi,
I was on a rooted Oneplus One having the TWRP recovery. I got the notification for the latest Incremental OTA ZNH2KAS254 update. I know that its not possible to install this incremental update if you are rooted and are using TWRP as your recovery. I read some of the posts and it was suggested there to unroot the phone, install the stock recovery and then try to install the OTA. I downloaded the stock cyanogen recovery and flashed it, which removed the TWRP recovery. I then unrooted my phone using the option in the SuperSU app.
Now i have an OPO which is having stock recovery and is unrooted. When i try to install this incremental update, i am not able to get through. The update goes through the installation process and ends up booting in the stock recovery with an exclamation mark on the cyanogen robot. I then decided to factory reset the OPO completely by wiping everything that was there on the phone.
Even then i am not able to install the incremental OTA and land up with the same error as mentioned above.
What am i doing wrong? Could someone please help and let me know how to get this incremental update installed? I would also like to install TWRP and root the device once i am done installing the incremental OTA.
Cheers,
Gokul
You're in the OPX section. You have OnePlus One, right?
A mod can move it?
If you are on Oxygen OS, I think you have to flash the full rom zip disponible here :
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/oxygenos-2-1-4-for-the-oneplus-one.425544/
If Cyanogen, I don't know.
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Edit :
That's thios one :
http://builds.cyngn.com/factory/bacon/cm-13.1-ZNH2KAS254-bacon-signed-9fbe6186fd.zip
Found here :
https://cyngn.com/support
@gokul
Unrooting your phone won't help. You have to flash latest signed zip (if available).
saurav007 said:
@gokul
Unrooting your phone won't help. You have to flash latest signed zip (if available).
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Saurav,
Thanks for your message.
Since i do not have TWRP installed, i believe i would have to flash the latest signed zip using ADB. Am i right?
Secondly, would it be possible for me to flash the TWRP zip using stock recovery?
Cheers,
Gokul
gokul1980 said:
Saurav,
Thanks for your message.
Since i do not have TWRP installed, i believe i would have to flash the latest signed zip using ADB. Am i right?
Secondly, would it be possible for me to flash the TWRP zip using stock recovery?
Cheers,
Gokul
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Yes, you can sideload latest signed zip or can even flash from stock recovery.

need help updating the idol 3(twrp installed and rooted)

ok i just saw that the offical marshmellow update had been released and wanted to upgrade.
i have the cricket 5.5" idol 3
my phone is rooted and has twrp installed would like info on how to get the update or a stock rom for the phone with marshmellow.
i am new to the upgrading after root and dont know if hiding root is enough or if i need to uninstall the su binary.
also not sure if the updated phone is rooted in the same way if i have to uninstall the su binary.
Hi,
You can reflash stock recovery and unrooot, then upgrade trough the Alcatel Update app.
Or you can flash stock modded rom UE 4 by murigny64. You'll get the mm stock rom without losing recovery. Have a look to it thread : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3435577
Is there a tutorial link for flashing the stock recovery and unrooting?
If so id be grsteful for the links.
As always thanks for any help provided.
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To unroot, check the apps settings to see if there is an option to completely unroot.
If you want to get back to completely stock, you could use the mobile upgrade software to perform a factory restore. Check the official alcatel website for the program and drivers.
ok will be resetting and reverting to stock then will reinstall root and twrp.
running mobile upgrade now.
will update soon
boot is slow as hell.
may have issues
will update in a sec after a second reboot attempt
boot sucessfull.
updated need updated root and twrp guide for the new rom
wow
this is enought to drive me to a custom rom.
So the phone is running mm or lp?
it was runing mm.
discovered that adb is disabled hince no twrp and no trusted root btw kingo did root.
now im back to 5.0.2
looking for the modified update.zip i saw mentioned that doesnt overwrite bootloader.
ok got update.zip
from fotadownload folder need help with the modifier script.
i probably wouldn't go back to stock to then upgrade, as from what i've read getting twrp and root back on after upgrading to mm is not as easy as just keeping twrp and starting from there
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there are mm roms in the Onetouch Idol 3 Android Development forum which are already prepped to just flash from twrp.
for example > [ROM/FIRMWARE][6045X] Android 6.0 Marshmallow for Alcatel Onetouch Idol 3 5.5<
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or >[6045][6.0.1][Stock-based] Project MATERIAL<
the ota modifier script keeps the bootloader and abd commands.
honestly id be fine with any root other than kingo wich seems to be the only working one
ok need a stable problem free marshmellow rom any recomendations.
im a linux noob and the ota modifier instructions baffle me at best.
Tty Alek OS custom ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/idol-3/development/rom-6045-spb-1-0-stock-stable-fast-oc-t3392375

If I unlock bootloader and root with magisk will it break OTA?

Question is in the title.
If I unlock bootloader and root with magisk will I lose the ability to update via OTA?
prisoner1969 said:
Question is in the title.
If I unlock bootloader and root with magisk will I lose the ability to update via OTA?
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https://topjohnwu.github.io/Magisk/tutorials.html
assuming you didn't install twrp
So I just got my G7 today and did a quick setup during which it installed an OTA and then I went ahead and installed TWRP and Magisk. Shortly afterwards I get a notification that another OTA is available but now it won't install (as expected). Because I installed Magisk after TWRP I don't have a 'clean' boot image to rollback to in order to get the OTA - is the only option to reflash back to stock and start again but install Magisk before TWRP this time or is there another option?
vinoxflame said:
https://topjohnwu.github.io/Magisk/tutorials.html
assuming you didn't install twrp
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Haven't done anything to it yet
So you cannot have twrp as recovery at all for this?
I also cannot get it's info to magisk tap uninstall restore images but twrp is my recovery the ota downloads then fails during install anyone have a flashable version of the latest Moto g7 power retus zip that can flash in twrp? I assume it could be done.
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Or if someone has stock recovery.zip for Moto g7 power retus cause the directions given sound like it shouldn't matter if you have twrp or not but if that's it how can I flash stock recovery.zip for now take the ota then I wait til I get home to reroot sounds like only way of you've installed twrp as recovery
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Or if someone has stock recovery.zip for Moto g7 power retus cause the directions given sound like it shouldn't matter if you have twrp or not but if that's it how can I flash stock recovery.zip for now take the ota then I wait til I get home to reroot sounds like only way of you've installed twrp as recovery
Anyone got a stock recovery.img thats what i need so I can flash the ota, I do not see it with the firmware, none of the commands say flash recovery its all sparse chunks etc nothing with recovery I need a stock recovery img for moto g7 power retus anyone please!?
toxinburn said:
Anyone got a stock recovery.img thats what i need so I can flash the ota, I do not see it with the firmware, none of the commands say flash recovery its all sparse chunks etc nothing with recovery I need a stock recovery img for moto g7 power retus anyone please!?
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Recovery is part of the boot.img now
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Weird cause I restore the image and twrp stays I'll try something later do latest update I'll get it figured out. But gonna have to reinstall user data I bet

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