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Exynos 5250 and Tegra 4

Yes I've used the search tool and the last post in the last Exynos 5250 thread was at december 2011 and I can't find any rules about reviving old threads so I don't want to fiddle with it since I might get an infraction or worse a ban and and the last Tegra 4 thread wasn't coherent enough for me.
I don't know all the details but I would like to start talking about the supposed new Exynos 5250 and Tegra 4 development so please bear with me, I need all of those who has reliable information to add in the discussion. I'd like to start things with how will it fare against this year's smartphones and tablets? specifically the Samsung Galaxy S3 (1.4 ghz Quad ARM Cortex-A9 + Exynos 4412 & 1.5 GHz dual-core Qualcomm Krait + Snapdragon S4 MSM8960) and HTC one X ( 1.5 GHz quad-core ARM Cortex-A9 + Nvidia Tegra 3 & 1.5 GHz dual-core Qualcomm Krait + Snapdragon S4 MSM8960) since they are currently the top Phones out there in the market performance wise.
Further into the topic will the new Exynos and Tegra make their predecessors completely obsolete once they come out? or is the performance leap going to be minimal at best? due to various factors perhaps you can't fully utilize their potential due to the limiting software apps out there? What I want you guys to elaborate for the community is how better will it be in terms of CPU and GPU benchmark performance. Please do share your Ideas and any reliable information about the said topic at hand.
P.S. I just got an SGS3 my very first smartphone and android, did I make a huge mistake by buying it or should have I gone for a cheaper Galaxy Nexus and waited for the new Exynos to come out?

Itadakiimasu said:
Yes I've used the search tool and the last post in the last Exynos 5250 thread was at december 2011 and I can't find any rules about reviving old threads so I don't want to fiddle with it since I might get an infraction or worse a ban and and the last Tegra 4 thread wasn't coherent enough for me.
I don't know all the details but I would like to start talking about the supposed new Exynos 5250 and Tegra 4 development so please bear with me, I need all of those who has reliable information to add in the discussion. I'd like to start things with how will it fare against this year's smartphones and tablets? specifically the Samsung Galaxy S3 (1.4 ghz Quad ARM Cortex-A9 + Exynos 4412 & 1.5 GHz dual-core Qualcomm Krait + Snapdragon S4 MSM8960) and HTC one X ( 1.5 GHz quad-core ARM Cortex-A9 + Nvidia Tegra 3 & 1.5 GHz dual-core Qualcomm Krait + Snapdragon S4 MSM8960) since they are currently the top Phones out there in the market performance wise.
Further into the topic will the new Exynos and Tegra make their predecessors completely obsolete once they come out? or is the performance leap going to be minimal at best? due to various factors perhaps you can't fully utilize their potential due to the limiting software apps out there? What I want you guys to elaborate for the community is how better will it be in terms of CPU and GPU benchmark performance. Please do share your Ideas and any reliable information about the said topic at hand.
P.S. I just got an SGS3 my very first smartphone and android, did I make a huge mistake by buying it or should have I gone for a cheaper Galaxy Nexus and waited for the new Exynos to come out?
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what better than Nvidia Tegra 3

First off, let's talk processors:
Your phone, the SGS3 i9300 is packing the Quad-Core Exynos 4412, rather than the dual-core Snapdragon S4 (MSM8960) for North American versions of the SGS3. The international version of the HTC One X has the 1.5GHz Tegra 3 vs the North American version which has the S4 as well.
Performance wise, these processors are all pretty on-par. Benchmark scores are close, with the Tegra 3 gaining the upper hand graphics-wise with its 12-core GPU. The processor to look out out of these 3 would be the S4, considering it's the first processor to (kinda) take advantage of the A15 cortex.
...The reason I say kind of, is because there is some discussion on the S4 being a hybrid between the A9 cortex (Tegra 3, Exynos 4) and the beastly A15. Qualcomm is a rebel, and doesn't follow ARM's chip designs like the others do. But I digress...
A15 is going to be a HUGE improvement over A9. HUGE performance gains, higher resolution displays, USB 3.0,OpenGL ES 3.0 (depending on the GPU) and much much more. The dual-core Exynos 5250 is going to be based off the A15 cortex, and it's going to blow even the quad core A9's out of the water. Tegra 4 will almost definitely be based off A15 as well, and it's going to be a sight to see. As for the Snapragon S5, who knows? I'm sure Qualcomm has some cool stuff up it's sleeve.
To answer your question, yes the new Exynos and Tegra processors are going to make older generation processors obsolete, but that doesn't mean you made a bad choice. The SGS3 is a great phone, and as such has tons of developers making custom roms, kernals, and other fun hacks to keep you occupied for the months to come hack away!
hope that helped!

You didn't make a mistake as at present android is not able to push current quadcore devices to their limits and there is a scope for lot more improvement
So even though next gen processors will be lot more powerful, your phone will still be able to handle next android releases so Don't worry and enjoy your S3
Sent from my HTC One X using xda app-developers app

vivek_bhoj said:
You didn't make a mistake as at present android is not able to push current quadcore devices to their limits and there is a scope for lot more improvement
So even though next gen processors will be lot more powerful, your phone will still be able to handle next android releases so Don't worry and enjoy your S3
Sent from my HTC One X using xda app-developers app
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Android already has full multi core support. The only thing holding back multi cores is the fact that many apps still don't make use of them.
Also, that other guy made some great points but forgot to mention S4 Pro, which we already know a good deal about and is very impressive. It sets the bar high for the next tegra and for exynos 5250.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using xda app-developers app

Itadakiimasu said:
Further into the topic will the new Exynos and Tegra make their predecessors completely obsolete once they come out? or is the performance leap going to be minimal at best?
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They're not going to be "completely obsolete" (even GN and SG2, for example, are still good phones despite being "last year") but there is going to be a large performance increase to A15.
There's always a next big thing coming out, but generally it's not worth waiting for unless you're on the cusp. Even if the generation you shop is relatively old, the competitive market (unlike, say, that of a fruity company) helps to compensate you by providing discounts of the previous tech.
S3, in particular, is a darn good phone no matter how you look at it (except that it has hardware buttons, but I digress..)

[PORTING DISCUSSION] Cherry picks from Exynos based devices on SGS4

Hi,
Everyone is shouting, we will not support Galaxy S4 (I9500) since it is having Exynos which lacks the documentation and sources. Yes, I know that sucks. I would say, we are not really getting super awesome ROMs like CM, MIUI anytime soon. But how if we think differently?
There are many Exynos based devices which have got pretty stable builds of CM and MIUI (e.g. Note 2).. Even Nexus 10 is based on Exynos.
Well, I am not that good but learning to port stuff from here and there.. How if we pick up some of the sources from Exynos devices like Nexus 10, Note 2 etc. and make them work on SGS4?
World will be beautiful again, isn't it?
I might be totally wrong so I expect you to explain stuff rather than ranting over this thread Let's help each other.. What say?
Regards,
Rahul Patil. :good:

It would be incredibly difficult and in my opinion, not worth the effort.
The Nexus 10 utilises Exynos 5250 while the Note 2 uses Exynos 4***(I forgot, 4410,I think), the S4 i9500 uses Exynos 5410 which is different as you can see.
However, some developers will doubtlessly pick up development for the Exynos variant (Faryaab already has an unofficial cm build for the i9500).
For all that effort, cm on the i9500 shall never be as stable and functional as that on the Snapdragon variants.

Well, yes.. Unless and until Samsung releases Exynos documentation and sources. Well, I don't know if there is any chance of getting documents. At least Samsung Exynos replied to one of my tweets regarding releasing sources. They said, they are working on licensing stuff and it should be resolved soon. But you know, their "soon" can be like 2-3 years more too.

warfareonly said:
It would be incredibly difficult and in my opinion, not worth the effort.
The Nexus 10 utilises Exynos 5250 while the Note 2 uses Exynos 4***(I forgot, 4410,I think), the S4 i9500 uses Exynos 5410 which is different as you can see.
However, some developers will doubtlessly pick up development for the Exynos variant (Faryaab already has an unofficial cm build for the i9500).
For all that effort, cm on the i9500 shall never be as stable and functional as that on the Snapdragon variants.
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Intl GS2 and Note1 are Exynos 4210
Intl GS3 and Note2 are Exynos 4412
Nexus 10 is Exynos 5250 - Mali T604 GPU
I9500 is Exynos 5410 - PowerVR GPU and MANY other differences from the 5250
In short, almost none of the Exynos4 stuff is useful, and most likely neither is most of the Nexus10 stuff

Entropy512 said:
Intl GS2 and Note1 are Exynos 4210
Intl GS3 and Note2 are Exynos 4412
Nexus 10 is Exynos 5250 - Mali T604 GPU
I9500 is Exynos 5410 - PowerVR GPU and MANY other differences from the 5250
In short, almost none of the Exynos4 stuff is useful, and most likely neither is most of the Nexus10 stuff
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A vast majority of IP blocks are the same as on the 5250 so there is a lot one can pick from there.
Stupid question; weren't most of the CM problems related with the 2D accelerator and not the GPU itself?

@Rahulrulez any status update on the porting?

vinandy said:
@Rahulrulez any status update on the porting?
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cm team has officially announced that they have started working on cm10.1 for 9500 and they have a device in hand, who is handling the work and when will we see a flashable version in unknown

Is mediatek or snapdragon better

Is snapdragon or mediatek best for doing developing things in Android. Or which is rare and which is more

The snapdragon is better for development. Mediatek almost never releases any code for its chips. Unlike qualcomm

For developers: Exynos vs Qualcomm

I am planning to buy a phone soon and although I'm not a developer (yet), I would like to try things such as making a custom rom, making my own android apps, etc.
I know Nexus phones are popular among developers but I just don't like the latest nexus phone and it's not cheap anymore. I am rooting for the Samsung Galaxy S7 just because it's popular, and some other features I like.
I found that there are two CPUs to choose from: Exynos and Qualcomm. Exynos version seems to be cheaper for the same memory. Does it matter if the processor is Exynos or Qualcomm if I want to become a developer?
Another phone I'm looking into is the Asus Zenphone 3 Deluxe. Its CPU is Qualcomm and the price is the same as the Exynos version of Samsung S7. Though my first choice really is Samsung.
Thanks!

Galaxy s7 SM-G930PZDASPR Which CPU?

Hello I'm wondering if it's worth pursuing rooting this phone.
I looked up the specs and see both Snap Dragon and EXYNOS ?
I know that the snap dragons seem to be a problem and I really think this is probably one of those.
Does anyone have a suggestion of a method that would be good for this phone?

Try installing cpu-z or aida64 and check whether it's exynos based or snapdrag based

Saarvieen Raj said:
Try installing cpu-z or aida64 and check whether it's exynos based or snapdrag based
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Phone is out right now and I won't have it back until tomorrow but this is from the specs for this particular phone maybe you can tell.
Platform OS Android OS, v6.0 (Marshmallow), upgradable to v7.0 (Nougat)
Chipset Exynos 8890 Octa
CPU Octa-core (4x2.3 GHz Mongoose & 4x1.6 GHz Cortex-A53)
GPU Mali-T880 MP12
I'm pretty sure those specs aren't correct this one must be a Qualcomm Snapdragon 820 Model
Phone already loaded Nougat.

Snapdragon
http://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s7_(usa)-7960.php
Only the G930F / FD and W8 are Exynos iirc

820