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Is it possible to use a Google-disabled nexus?

My dad's going to India to visit family, and a cousin asked to see if I could find someone selling a used Nexus 4. Or something that had a bad ESN but was unlocked, so that he could still use it in India.
During my search, I came across an ad on Craigslist..where a guy is selling a Nexus 5...says it's unlocked and will not work here but will work elsewhere in the world.
So I asked him if it had a bad esn, and he said No, it's disabled by Google.
I use an iPhone and I'm not sure what that means...I did a lot of searching and came across this site.
And the only place I saw "disabled nexus" being referred to, was with people who had their nexus phones stolen during delivery...and Google then disabled the phone and refunded the money.
So, I'm faced with a moral dilemma that the phone could have been stolen OR the guy himself lied to Google about it and got a refund and is now trying to make some money.
But the price is good...and I'd really like to buy it.
So..my question is... Will a new unlocked Nexus 5 that has been disabled/deactivated by Google, work in India?
Or would the deactivation be worldwide? Because no point getting a good price, if the phone won't work!
I really don't know where to turn to.
I'd appreciate the help.
thanks.

The point of disabling a device is making it useless. Why would it work anywhere? What's the price? The price on a brand new one is already low enough, how low can this be? If it's too good to be true, it is.
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joshnichols189 said:
The point of disabling a device is making it useless. Why would it work anywhere? What's the price? The price on a brand new one is already low enough, how low can this be? If it's too good to be true, it is.
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He might just be a thief (or a delivery guy from UPS that stole someones phone , like it happened to me ) and is now only trying to sell it/them .

joshnichols189 said:
The point of disabling a device is making it useless. Why would it work anywhere? What's the price? The price on a brand new one is already low enough, how low can this be? If it's too good to be true, it is.
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The reason I posted that question..was because I don't know what "disabled" means. At first I thought, it meant like having a bad esn.
But if it means turning the phone into a brick that won't start or operate, then that's that.
The price is $300 for a 32gb Nexus.

jatink129 said:
The reason I posted that question..was because I don't know what "disabled" means. At first I thought, it meant like having a bad esn.
But if it means turning the phone into a brick that won't start or operate, then that's that.
The price is $300 for a 32gb Nexus.
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I wouldn't do it.
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busywaffles said:
Out of curiosity, would there be any way to "undisable" such a device by rooting it and changing the ROM?
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No, that doesn`t matter. It would be best to have this thread closed imo as this is not the place to discuss on how to get `hot` devices operable. Thread reported!
Just buy a legitimate phone or a cheaper one

gee2012 said:
No, that doesn`t matter. It would be best to have this thread closed imo as this is not the place to discuss on how to get `hot` devices operable. Thread reported!
Just buy a legitimate phone or a cheaper one
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The OP has enough information to answer his question.
This is the end of this discussion.
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Stay away from the clones!

A bit off topic, but there is the odd person who comes to these forums looking for help with their S4 clone. I had often considered one of these handsets before and still get tempted by the lost cost/decent specs, but think I'll stay away for good now.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-27908105
Although if the below story is true, even equipment from reputable manufacturers can be compromised, so its no just 'all chinese devices can't be trusted'.
http://gizmodo.com/the-nsa-actually-intercepted-packages-to-put-backdoors-1491169592

I brought a clone at first. And while its mostly ran great the biggest problem was that its 4G/3G antenna was rubbish.

daven85 said:
I brought a clone at first. And while its mostly ran great the biggest problem was that its 4G/3G antenna was rubbish.
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That seems to be the fall down in even the good ones from what I've seen, either a poor WiFi radio or rubbish GPS.

xda is not for clones and Chinese junk that cost as much as a case for phone I do not know why here allowed threads related to fakes

indeed.. got one from ebay ..it sucks

How do people get scammed into buying fakes? Always buy from reputable retailers!

AIkizov said:
xda is not for clones and Chinese junk that cost as much as a case for phone I do not know why here allowed threads related to fakes
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Because we are all saying 'STAY AWAY'.
If one of us said 'Best phone I ever brought' it would be closed.
But in the end I wouldn't bother wasting my money again in the future with those phones.

Better way of not getting a clone is to check the hardware of the device .
Mainly clone or copy have same software but hardware is diffrent .There are many apps to check the hardware .Better be alert
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Thank you.:fingers-crossed:

Here is one pic i waan to share so may be it will bit useful for stay away to us for real n fake (clone) phones for all respected members.. Thnks..
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CyanogenUser007 said:
How do people get scammed into buying fakes? Always buy from reputable retailers!
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I know right. If the deal sounds too good to be true then it probably is. If most people saw a Rolex watch on sale for 50 bucks I'm sure they would be skeptical.....so why would you fall for a knock off phone.

[Q] price £ or $???

hi folks
am after a little help please. i am looking to buy the 64gb version of this phone if i can get an invite. but that is NOT what this thread is about. Im a little confused over the pricing structure and was hoping some folks could explain it to me and maybe say what they did?
Ok so i looked here http://oneplus.net/one and the price shows as $349 which converts to about £215. great that looks like an awesome price for this spec. Im sold and now i want one.
However, this morning whilst doing my usual reading and searching i happened upon this http://oneplus.net/uk/one which shows the price as £269?!?! Ok so now i am confused. there appears no difference between the phones linked and they are both apparently from the same official source. SO why the huge price difference??? Could i not just buy from the first link and save 20% or would they not ship the phone to england if i buy from that page, or worst still would i get hit with huge custom charges? If it just means the shipping takes longer than the price would justify the wait.
Sorry for the questions but im really on the edge about buying this phone and for £215 im sold but at £269 well thats a different sale i need to make to the missus lol.
Thanks for looking and for any help advice you can offer,

3vo3d said:
hi folks
am after a little help please. i am looking to buy the 64gb version of this phone if i can get an invite. but that is NOT what this thread is about. Im a little confused over the pricing structure and was hoping some folks could explain it to me and maybe say what they did?
Ok so i looked here http://oneplus.net/one and the price shows as $349 which converts to about £215. great that looks like an awesome price for this spec. Im sold and now i want one.
However, this morning whilst doing my usual reading and searching i happened upon this http://oneplus.net/uk/one which shows the price as £269?!?! Ok so now i am confused. there appears no difference between the phones linked and they are both apparently from the same official source. SO why the huge price difference??? Could i not just buy from the first link and save 20% or would they not ship the phone to england if i buy from that page, or worst still would i get hit with huge custom charges? If it just means the shipping takes longer than the price would justify the wait.
Sorry for the questions but im really on the edge about buying this phone and for £215 im sold but at £269 well thats a different sale i need to make to the missus lol.
Thanks for looking and for any help advice you can offer,
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Its because of tax reasons, haven't you noticed that tech is expensive in the UK?
The US is generally the cheapest place to get tech.

So do you think I'd be able to buy it from the first link and pay the same price as they do in the u.s.? Tyia
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3vo3d said:
So do you think I'd be able to buy it from the first link and pay the same price as they do in the u.s.? Tyia
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Price in UK is £269. Including VAT. If you buy in USD, I think you'd have to have it delivered to the US. £269 is still a fantastic price though...

treb1971 said:
Price in UK is £269. Including VAT. If you buy in USD, I think you'd have to have it delivered to the US. £269 is still a fantastic price though...
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Cant argue with you that its a fantastic price. but id managed to convince the other half when it was £215 but boy does she love to disagree with me :crying:
SO i presume then if i order it through the usd link they either wont send it or will simply add the tax on at customs or something?
Cheers for the replies folks.

oscarandjo said:
The US is generally the cheapest place to get tech.
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roflmao.
And here I thought sh*t in China was cheap
http://www.taobao.com/market/global/index_new.php
Divide any price you see up there by 6.13 to see the final price.

So is there no one here from the uk that has brought this phone?
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3vo3d said:
So is there no one here from the uk that has brought this phone?
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Of course there is they just have not seen your thread. Honestly the price is still great regardless and the trickery you are trying to achieve is not worth it. Go ahead and pull the trigger

3vo3d said:
So is there no one here from the uk that has brought this phone?
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Loads of people have, I have. There are many on the forums too.

oscarandjo said:
Loads of people have, I have. There are many on the forums too.
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Phew i was beginning to wonder lol. So did you buy it in gbp or usd? Also if i may did you have to pay customs tax?
Tyia
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My friend I have a pet peeve about people not searching and I apologize but you are looking for people to ask and in 5 minutes or less I found all these threads on google
https://plus.google.com/102032589992734862411/posts/29NWp9DJTko
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/off-topic-people-of-the-united-kingdom.32745/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/general/oneplus-one-uk-network-t2837761/page2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/help/oneplus-one-uk-t2836265
http://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/help/opo-pending-shipment-t2871493

3vo3d said:
Phew i was beginning to wonder lol. So did you buy it in gbp or usd? Also if i may did you have to pay customs tax?
Tyia
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Gbp and no

come on now the links I gave you were not helpful? LOL :angel:

playya said:
My friend I have a pet peeve about people not searching and I apologize but you are looking for people to ask and in 5 minutes or less I found all these threads on google
https://plus.google.com/102032589992734862411/posts/29NWp9DJTko
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/off-topic-people-of-the-united-kingdom.32745/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/general/oneplus-one-uk-network-t2837761/page2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/help/oneplus-one-uk-t2836265
http://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/help/opo-pending-shipment-t2871493
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helpful? How could it be?
My question was why are there two different prices listed for this phone one in gbp and one in dollars. And can i or anyone in the uk purchase the phone and pay in dollars? If its possible would anyone here know if we would have to pay customs duty?
With that restated you have attempted to derail my thread by making it about using the search function.
The first is a link to a comment from opo saying this phone can be purchased in the uk.
Your second link is an off topic thread for folks in the uk. Both not even from xda
The third link is about using the phone on threes network.
The fourth link is about someone asking where the phone can be purchased and appears to end with folks talking about selling/buying on gumtree.
The fifth is about someone asking about how long their order may be in the delivery process.
Would you care to elaborate how that in anyway shape or form answers my question? Or can you answer my question? Or would your searching powers be able to show me the link to that answer?
If not i dont really get what you hoped to achieve with your two posts. And would humbly ask you to please reply no further.
I have just had to waste 5 minutes of my life to respond to your comments which im never gonna get back. If you dont like/agree or have any useful info to provide to a topic please just ignore it!
Apologies to anyone else that has had to read these comments they are pointless and achieve nothing. They will also undoutedly prevent me from getting an answer to my original question.

oscarandjo said:
Gbp and no
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Thanks for the info.

3vo3d said:
helpful? How could it be?
My question was why are there two different prices listed for this phone one in gbp and one in dollars. And can i or anyone in the uk purchase the phone and pay in dollars? If its possible would anyone here know if we would have to pay customs duty?
With that restated you have attempted to derail my thread by making it about using the search function.
The first is a link to a comment from opo saying this phone can be purchased in the uk.
Your second link is an off topic thread for folks in the uk. Both not even from xda
The third link is about using the phone on threes network.
The fourth link is about someone asking where the phone can be purchased and appears to end with folks talking about selling/buying on gumtree.
The fifth is about someone asking about how long their order may be in the delivery process.
Would you care to elaborate how that in anyway shape or form answers my question? Or can you answer my question? Or would your searching powers be able to show me the link to that answer?
If not i dont really get what you hoped to achieve with your two posts. And would humbly ask you to please reply no further.
I have just had to waste 5 minutes of my life to respond to your comments which im never gonna get back. If you dont like/agree or have any useful info to provide to a topic please just ignore it!
Apologies to anyone else that has had to read these comments they are pointless and achieve nothing. They will also undoutedly prevent me from getting an answer to my original question.
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They are UK related links with individuals from your area that would be better equipped to ask your question.. This is why I posted it but derailing was not my intention. I felt my info was helpful if you did not then OK....
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playya said:
They are UK related links with individuals from your area that would be better equipped to ask your question.. This is why I posted it but derailing was not my intention. I felt my info was helpful if you did not then OK....
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then fair play and i thank you for your help.

ok guys just in case anyone else comes across this issue i think i know the coup now.
I went online to order the phone via an invite i was kindly given by a member here. It automatically took me to the price in us dollars so i went through the order process and when i tried to pay via paypal. It said i was in the wrong store and it forced me to the uk store and to then pay in gbp. So it did indeed ultimately cost me the extra 20%. I know i could have got it sent to a pal of mine in america but i didn't.
Hope this clarifies the situation for anyone else wondering.

It also applies for €.

Its pretty clear the oneplus/UK site 269 pretty simple? In us its 349 something like that. There's a difference in price because of different vat etc.
I bought a one plus one I'm in UK I managed to understand....

Hey guys... I'm curious...

I'm currently on a Galaxy S4 Active i537... locked down... does anyone know where I might be able to buy a Nexus 5 off of someone for cheap? I'm in high school so money is an issue for me, so I apologize. I'm looking for a good phone I can load Kali on, as well as full freedom with the bootloader! Thanks in advance!

OctopusRift said:
I'm currently on a Galaxy S4 Active i537... locked down... does anyone know where I might be able to buy a Nexus 5 off of someone for cheap? I'm in high school so money is an issue for me, so I apologize. I'm looking for a good phone I can load Kali on, as well as full freedom with the bootloader! Thanks in advance!
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Pretty sure XDA doesn't really allow these sort of threads/posts regarding where/who to buy things from, with the exception of linking to Swappa, the recommended site.
Other than Swappa, you will probably find many results for buying new or used if you put it into a search engine and look around.

Get a part time job after school and/or during the weekends

dicecuber said:
Get a part time job after school and/or during the weekends
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Lol.... Get him used to the 60 hour work weeks early eh!:good:

AndrasLOHF said:
Lol.... Get him used to the 60 hour work weeks early eh!:good:
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Haha yes! But honestly working from high school looks great on a resume. Something I should've started when I was a teen. The skills you learn and being independent are awesome.

The S4 may sell for just enough. You probably could sell it and buy a used N5 cheap enough.
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Anyone else tired of their note 5

TL;DR I can't stand Samsung and my note any longer, anyone else feel the same way?
As I sit here looking at my note 5 and all the accessories I have for it, probably 10 cases, several tempered glass screen protector's, level on Bluetooth headset, 2 level on wired headsets, 2 Samsung qi chargers, most of which hasn't even been used and I find myself hating it all. I prefer Nexus devices yet I thought I could handle Samsung again, I was wrong. I can't lol. I still owe on the phone else it would be gone, am I the only one? Anyone else just want out from Samsung?
Not really whinning, I got myself into this mess and eventually will get out of it but the thought that I may not be alone has me intrigued. The phone itself is great, Samsung and the elements of tw that I can't ditch as well as still being on L have finally just gotten the best of me I suppose. You? First world problems at its best I suppose.

Tried what?

jutaejrtouch said:
Tried what?
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Wrong thread? Not sure what you are referencing?

Ducter said:
Wrong thread? Not sure what you are referencing?
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I misread the topic...I saw "tried" and realized you meant "tired".

jutaejrtouch said:
I misread the topic...I saw "tried" and realized you meant "tired".
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Lol, yeah. See what I am saying? I can't even start a coherent thread anymore. Fixed it.

Ducter said:
Lol, yeah. See what I am saying? I can't even start a coherent thread anymore.
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What are you wanting that the Note 5 doesn't offer?

jutaejrtouch said:
What are you wanting that the Note 5 doesn't offer?
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I have always enjoyed compiling my own builds and picking what I like when running AOSP, something I knew wasn't going to happen with the note but none the less, I miss it. I prefer stock Android, again, my fault for thinking it wouldn't get to me like it has and also lack of updates, even security updates. The phone has its pluses, no question and has an awesome screen.. Just not enough for me anymore.

Ducter said:
TL;DR I can't stand Samsung and my note any longer, anyone else feel the same way?
As I sit here looking at my note 5 and all the accessories I have for it, probably 10 cases, several tempered glass screen protector's, level on Bluetooth headset, 2 level on wired headsets, 2 Samsung qi chargers, most of which hasn't even been used and I find myself hating it all. I prefer Nexus devices yet I thought I could handle Samsung again, I was wrong. I can't lol. I still owe on the phone else it would be gone, am I the only one? Anyone else just want out from Samsung?
Not really whinning, I got myself into this mess and eventually will get out of it but the thought that I may not be alone has me intrigued. The phone itself is great, Samsung and the elements of tw that I can't ditch as well as still being on L have finally just gotten the best of me I suppose. You? First world problems at its best I suppose.
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Finally!!! Someone who understands me.
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Simple solutions for people who are tired of their Note 5...
~Sell it on swappa
~get a nexus
~no more threads with similar topics
There! Problem solved
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Yoshi1221 said:
Simple solutions for people who are tired of their Note 5...
~Sell it on swappa
~get a nexus
~no more threads with similar topics
There! Problem solved
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Absolutely true, if the phone was paid off or I could afford to pay it off I would go that route. I can't right now, I owe around 500 on it, they sell for less and I would then need to replace it with another phone for around the same amount. Nothing I can do right now, more or less just frustrated and wanted to complain lol.

Ducter said:
Absolutely true, if the phone was paid off or I could afford to pay it off I would go that route. I can't right now, I owe around 500 on it, they sell for less and I would then need to replace it with another phone for around the same amount. Nothing I can do right now, more or less just frustrated and wanted to complain lol.
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Maybe you could afford to pay it off if you hadn't bought all those accessories.. ಠ_ಠ
I just don't get the point of this post..
Lets take the logic of it and apply it to something else.
I really like building computers, love swapping out parts and beefing up the memory, swapping graphics cards so I can play the latest games. Then I bought a surface tablet. I'm sad, anyone feel the same way?
Did I mention I also got every color keyboard they offered to go with it? What was I thinking.
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Finally!!! Someone who understands me.
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I know right man? Thats why they closed your last thread, because it was just making too much sense. People hate the truth (FACT)

pcriz said:
Maybe you could afford to pay it off if you hadn't bought all those accessories.. ಠ_ಠ
I just don't get the point of this post..
Lets take the logic of it and apply it to something else.
I really like building computers, love swapping out parts and beefing up the memory, swapping graphics cards so I can play the latest games. Then I bought a surface tablet. I'm sad, anyone feel the same way?
Did I meantion I also got every color keyboard they offered to go with it? What was I thinking.
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I know right man? Thats why they closed your last thread, because it was just making too much sense. People hate the truth (FACT)
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No. They closed my last thread because you trolled it. Lol. I'm creating another as soon as I feel like it and my plan is to troll you to the Mods my second round. Thanks for reminding me, creating post now.
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LOVE ME PLEASE said:
No. They closed my last thread because you trolled it. Lol. I'm creating another as soon as I feel like it and my plan is to troll you to the Mods my second round. Thanks for reminding me, creating post now.
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Im glad I give you a reason to get up in the morning sport. Remember, you ARE some body.. You ARE somebody.

pcriz said:
Im glad I give you a reason to get up in the morning sport. Remember, you ARE some body.. You ARE somebody.
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Love you too boo boo.
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pcriz said:
Maybe you could afford to pay it off if you hadn't bought all those accessories..
I just don't get the point of this post..
Lets take the logic of it and apply it to something else.
I really like building computers, love swapping out parts and beefing up the memory, swapping graphics cards so I can play the latest games. Then I bought a surface tablet. I'm sad, anyone feel the same way?
Did I meantion I also got every color keyboard they offered to go with it? What was I thinking.
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The accessories were given to me from Samsung, part of the promotion's for buying the phones. They sent me the Bluetooth version of the headset as they were out of stock on the regular ones, I purchased 2 notes and an s6 edge +.
The cases and screen protector's came from amz trader, have maybe 5 bucks in them all total.
You do not have to understand this post, don't have to agree with it yet you feel the need to comment that you don't understand the point, ironic no? This is the general section for the note 5, I am posting my thoughts on the phone after 4 months of using it, I am over it and made a mistake on buying it.

Ducter said:
The accessories were given to me from Samsung, part of the promotion's for buying the phones. They sent me the Bluetooth version of the headset as they were out of stock on the regular ones, I purchased 2 notes and an s6 edge +.
The cases and screen protector's came from amz trader, have maybe 5 bucks in them all total.
You do not have to understand this post, don't have to agree with it yet you feel the need to comment that you don't understand the point, ironic no? This is the general section for the note 5, I am posting my thoughts on the phone after 4 months of using it, I am over it and made a mistake on buying it.
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What I don't understand is someone buying a device they obviously wouldn't be happy with then coming to write a post about how they unhappy with it.
The whole point of my over the top analogy was to draw attention to the fact that you bought something you wouldn't like, and surprise surprise you don't like it.
Usually I don't see much purpose in posting the obvious.
Now if you were looking for ways to like it then I could see a point. No one said you couldn't post. I just shared my opinion on it.
It's not ironic at all. It's just how forums and social networks work.
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It's the advertising hype train, got a buncha yall on the s7. See those shiny new devices and run out and buy them, advertising so good it makes you ignore what you want in a device for whatever they are giving you.
Happens to everyone.
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pcriz said:
What I don't understand is someone buying a device they obviously wouldn't be happy with then coming to write a post about how they unhappy with it.
The whole point of my over the top analogy was to draw attention to the fact that you bought something you wouldn't like, and surprise surprise you don't like it.
Usually I don't see much purpose in posting the obvious.
Now if you were looking for ways to like it then I could see a point. No one said you couldn't post. I just shared my opinion on it.
It's not ironic at all. It's just how forums and social networks work.
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I've tried liking it, actually thought I could like it when I purchased it else I wouldn't have in the first place. I was wrong and recognize that now, was simply asking if any others felt the same way, you know, discussions on forums and social networks and all... that's how they work.
Not going to get into a back and forth with you over it, just seeing how others feel about the phone after having it for a while.
Your edit, dead on..

Ducter said:
I've tried liking it, actually thought I could like it when I purchased it else I wouldn't have in the first place. I was wrong and recognize that now, was simply asking if any others felt the same way, you know, discussions on forums and social networks and all... that's how they work.
Not going to get into a back and forth with you over it, just seeing how others feel about the phone after having it for a while.
Your edit, dead on..
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I'll say it does suck being stuck with something you aren't happy with. Maybe consider trading it in at best buy to pay off the EIP and get a nexus. See what kind of dent their trade in will put on your EIP. I'm thinking it's at about 200 to 250 on trade in though.
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I'm in the same boat.
I wanted the S7 edge to be my new phone but the locked bootloader forced me to upgrade to a note 5 for root.
The Nexus 6P has serious build quality issues. It literally folds when a phone shouldn't.
I could trade in my Note 5 to T Mobile for 242 and that would leave me owing $170 EIP.
What else is there?
The LG G5 has some serious build quality issues (small space between chin and screen, it's plastic, lower quality screen, heat issues, etc).
Compared to what's out there, the Note 5 is the best of the rest less the S7 edge.
I really miss my S4.

Come on guys, the man made a thread to complain .... let him do so along with those who want to. Coming in here to force them to see it your way is not going to fly, and will just lead to arguements that will take away from the purpose of this thread....as against it as you may be.
He is a note owner, and he is stating his opinion just as you all have about how much you love it a 5 years after its release (yes im over exaggerating)