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Hi Everyone,
Ive been on a bit of a mission with T-mobile and have been in touch with the directors office, they are under the impression that nothing has been locked down on the phone in rc7/rc30 that would limit the use of the phone from a development standpoint.
Ive given them a few examples of things that cant be done but they refuse to do anything (other than cancel my contact if i want) as im only one person who is complaining.
I know everyone runnning rc30v1.2 and rc8v.12 is ok atm, but could EVERONE please send a little email of complaint. Just explaining that you are unhappy that they have locked down the phone and denied us root.
cl&[email protected]
They say that if they get more complaints then something will be done
ITS WORTH A SHOT ISNT IT?
PS... If anyone wants to cancel their contract in the uk because of the lack of access, call 01707 315000 and ask to talk to Leah within the Directors team about your G1 problem. I explained that i couldnt get my apps working because i couldnt edit/add files to system directories.
They should offer to cancel it, it worked for me
Yeah, it's worth a shot, although from past experience with T-Mobile this may be akin to trying to extract blood from a stone
I tried doing the same thing after I got my G1 (before anyone figured out the hole in RC29). I found the people over at T-Mobile USA are just as clueless. As soon as you mention the words Android or G1, they instantly transfer you to a different support queue. I tried to explain what root access was and they didn't have a clue what I was talking about.
I found that here in the UK also, these people work in the directors team and so far have not fobbed me off.
They dont claim to be technical but are at least talking to the T-mobile developers about this. They have raised my concerns with the UK G1 manager, i think my case just needs a little more oomph from others complaining.
I've already called HTC, G1 support, and the PDA/Smartphone support ppl. None of them were willing to even try to understand the issue.
T-mobile have just called me and have advised that we should expect a statement about the issue by the end of the week. The issue is now with board members apparently
Maybee they are actuclly starting to understand??
You should have them email. At least that way it leaves a paper trail.
SGTDavePwnage said:
T-mobile have just called me and have advised that we should expect a statement about the issue by the end of the week. The issue is now with board members apparently
Maybee they are actuclly starting to understand??
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That's very interesting that T-Mobile is even considering the idea of allowing root access, to the point where it would be an executive decision by the board members. Do you have any other information on this aside from your first post? Can anyone else confirm this?
i phoned tmobile uk today and asked why i couldnt get root on my tc5-rc8.
and i had a long talk with the guy and he said he had a email about this issue
and went throught a few things with me on my phone. and then he said he would phone me back tomorrow with someone that new more about the g1 then the tec support staff. and he would be able to give me more answers about it.
qtronix
Cool
Sounds like my insessant *****ing at T-mobile support might have gotten us somewhere?
At least techies are not fobbing people off at the moment.
Could you please concider sending an email to the address i posted, just so they are aware that others are miffed.
******This is a copy of the email i sent to the directors team******
Leah
Many thanks for your call....
As t-mobile dont seem to see/understand the problem I have given the contact details of the director team to a group of developers so that you can hopefully get a few more calls about this. Please believe me that I am not the only person who has these concerns, but when people call tech support about this they are simply fobbed off by people who are not trained/do not understand the issue.
I would like to point out an error with t-mobiles response that they have in no way locked down the phone so that it is detremental for putting developed software onto the phone.
Please see a few examples of how the new RC8 Software limits Developers :-
1. Say I wanted my screen to automatically rotate without wanting to open the keyboard, this is simply a matter of editing offset: 1104724 within /system/framework/framework.odex to 0x0F001246.
I could do this on the old software but not on the new RC8
2. Say i wanted to update the web browser to do the same, this would mean editing the origional browser source code released by Google and putting it on my phone. Again, this was possible with root access on RC7 but has now been made impossible on the new RC8.
3. Say i wanted to make a tethering application that allows me to use my G1 as a modem to my PC (i know this would cost me money on my contract for data transfer) but I might want to do it so that i can connect to my workplace vpn to fix something. This was Doable on RC7, but now is not.
4. The G1 currently has no way of clearing cache for the marketplace, this again was doable on RC7 but not on RC8
5. The G1 has a limited ammount of space to install applications. It would be a good idea if we could install applications to our SD memory Cards, but again we cant do this because of the new software.
The above examples are just some simple things developers are working on that would benefit the phone, but we cant develop them and put them on the phone.
Basically anything that means editing a system file / writing a file to a system directory is now impossible.
Please understand that developers are not trying to take over the world or ruin the phone. We are simply trying to make the phone do what we want / improve the features.
This is how OpenSource works. Everyone has access to the Source code so that it can if neccecary be customised/edited to improve things for everyone.
The new software has made it impossible for programs that interact with the main system files or require extra files to be put in a system folder, to work.
Developers understand why the phone RC7 software was unsafe in the way it ran commands, we understand why you fixed the command running problem, but instead of fixing the issue properly you have just locked down root access?? Why??
If the new software in no way limits what developers can do, then why when you search on the net are so many people “Jailbreaking” their phones to get the access they require.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081105-android-liberation-t-mobile-g1-jailbroken.html
Can i draw your attention to
"In contrast, the G1 has been developed by the Open Handset Alliance project. It's extremely unlikely that this alliance, which is committed to an open platform, will engage in the same kinds of protective shenanigans that Apple has resorted to. The Android philosophy states that "anyone can contribute to Android and influence its direction. That means that anyone can download, build, and run the code needed to create a complete mobile device."
So why jailbreak an already-open device? One big jailbreak advantage is that it allows you to bypass the G1's internal storage. Until now, you were limited by the G1's built-in memory for installing and running programs. With the jailbreak, you can install applications onto a local SD card and run them from the card. Running low on memory? Just swap cards in and out.
Jailbreaking also allows you to use low-level tools that run in the background. Want your G1 to call home and report your location every 20 minutes? A simple Unix process, called a daemon, can handle that for you. You can set daemons up to remind you of appointments, to scan for nearby wireless devices and more. The world of handheld computing doesn't begin or end with graphic interfaces. There's an enormously rich world of possibilities available through command line processes.
Most importantly, jailbreaking gives you complete control of your system from the bottom up. It lets you stop thinking of your phone as a handheld gadget and start using it as a fully-capable Unix platform. "
Please could you explain how T-mobile are of the opinion that they have not limited developers with the above examples in mind.
The G1 is being sold as a Developer friendly OpenSource Phone. How can you claim this is developer friendly when the software severely limits what developers can do?
Are T-mobile saying that the phone was never supposed to allow users this access and that the RC7 root access was a mistake?
Eagerly Awaiting your response..
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Well written, although I would have DEFINITELY left out the part about tethering the phone.
vr24 said:
Well written, although I would have DEFINITELY left out the part about tethering the phone.
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I did think about that, but then i reconcidered as we already have tetherbot which works without root.
Suppose we will just have to see if anything comes of it
SGTDavePwnage said:
I did think about that, but then i reconcidered as we already have tetherbot which works without root.
Suppose we will just have to see if anything comes of it
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you can always call t-mobile and say that after you updated the phone it is now:
constantly feezing, apps are running slow, and at times you can not connect to internet.
also tell them that you tried a factory reset and it did not help (make up a story that you have friend that has a lot of app and his phone runs faster than you phone with no apps installed)
if you have insurance they will send you one for free, you just have to return your old phone,
i believe they are still sending out rc29 for replacements as of now.
friend and cousin tried it and it worked.
might be worth a shot
Just got this in my inbox:
"Thank you for letting us know of your concerns with the 'open source' and 'root access' on your G1 mobile phone. We really do appreciate your comments about this.
We're aware that there are concerns in relation to this and our leadership teams in the UK and the USA are currently reviewing your comments and our position. We plan to provide you and other customers with similar concerns, with a response early next week, which should answer your concerns. I'll be in touch with you then.
Your comments are extremely valuable to us Mr * and I'm grateful for your patience while we look into this. I'd like to thank you personally for your co-operation.
In the mean time I hope you enjoy your weekend.
Kind regards
Leah Young
Directors' Office Co-ordinator
T-Mobile (UK)"
Of course, their answer could be anything from "f*ck off" to "yes, we'd love to embrace the openness of android with both arms, here everyone, have root!" so we'll all have to keep our fingers crossed 'til monday.
Well I just hope they release an update with options that allow us to turn off all background services (myfaves) and unwanted datatraffic (or actuall prevent overriding options when roaming).
How did that dead horse like the beating?
Perhaps a dead horse. Could it be that Tmo has now figured out that with root access, it won't take long for people like the coders at XDA to fully jailbreak the device to the point that voIP will be easy for any user to obtain? Are they just trying to protect their ability to profit off of voice traffic?
rynosaur said:
Perhaps a dead horse. Could it be that Tmo has now figured out that with root access, it won't take long for people like the coders at XDA to fully jailbreak the device to the point that voIP will be easy for any user to obtain? Are they just trying to protect their ability to profit off of voice traffic?
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Hummm... I think ALL wireless providers are threatened by VOIP but the main reason root access was blocked was due to bad press mainly by tons of articles stating that there is a huge security risk and a flaw was found with Android which could let remote users attack someone's device...blah blah blah and so forth. That pretty much scared T-Mobile and Google which hated to have bad press so close to the G1 just being released and were forced to correct this issue. The only problem with that protection came with closing alot of freedom for the G1 and may happen to alot of more Android-based devices in the future, I'm afraid... Maybe Google will realize that there are other ways to protect mobile hijacking (which is extremely rare anyways) by creating some type of built-in firewall software instead?
rynosaur said:
Perhaps a dead horse. Could it be that Tmo has now figured out that with root access, it won't take long for people like the coders at XDA to fully jailbreak the device to the point that voIP will be easy for any user to obtain? Are they just trying to protect their ability to profit off of voice traffic?
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Root is not necessary to build a voip app. Fact is, G1 launched with a skype-compatible voip app called iSkoot. Look it up.
SGTDavePwnage said:
Cool
Sounds like my insessant *****ing at T-mobile support might have gotten us somewhere?
At least techies are not fobbing people off at the moment.
Could you please concider sending an email to the address i posted, just so they are aware that others are miffed.
******This is a copy of the email i sent to the directors team******
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i wont quote the entire email because its big. but you sir are very well spoken, great email!
Gentlemen and ladies,
As stated in the title I have a cheap MID M1050 Tablet rocking the 4.0 Android OS. Works fine for what they were purchased for but I am doing a job which requires the ability to access Ad Hoc networks which this does not do well. Sometimes it will see it, sometimes it will connect to it and sometimes it will anger the tablet gods and then it will not connect to any network. Being new to the rooting community, I was directed here for questions and answers but I haven't found the area for this particular device so if there is one, please link me to it because I searched the hole site for this model and it returned nothing.
My main question would be, if a successful root was done on this device, would I have either:
A) Greater functionality in the wifi abilities, i.e. able to connect to Ad Hocs at will
B) Any ability to change the way this device connects wirelessly so I make the changes I have found to enable the Ad Hoc connectivity
If so, would rooting with a custom ROM be similar as other tablets rocking 4.0 or would this one have its own way to go about it?
Not asking for someone to hold my hand through this but would like some opinion, links, and any documentation you would have on the subject. Looking to start my rooting on this simple device for the above and to play with battery conservation.
I assume this post is located in the wrong location and if so, mods please move it to the correct area. As is obvious with my first post, new to the forum and hoping to meet some helpful people on ye ol' internets.
Thanks all.
Assuming this means no one is familiar with this brand or model which I expected. Ill poke around on Google some more and see what I can come up with and post my findings here for others to search. Very curious on the Ad Hoc and Android OS issue and guess I will post that question in the Networking section if I cannot find a suitable answer searching the site and Google.
Thanks again.
Hello everyone.
First of all, I would like to point out that this is my first time posting here, and I have searched the forums. Although this place is simply huge and very hard to understand at first, I tried searching, and read the 2 sticky posts in this section.
If I still made an error by opening this thread, I sincerely apologize and request you do not hold it against me.
With that said, I will ask my question.
I am trying to do something that I believe has yet to be done.
I would like to mirror my Galaxy S4's screen to a tablet, and to be able to control my Galaxy from the tablet.
Here's why.
My plan is to purchase a tablet and place it in my car. This tablet will be anchored to the car's systems (Power, OBD2 Adapter, etc.) and will be un-removable.
The point of this is to minimize handling the phone while driving, by using the tablet to control the phone.
Nowadays, I have a small cellphone mount that is okay, but it requires placing the phone in it, and taking it out when I leave the car, and I would like something permanent.
I want to get into my car, plug the phone to its charger (or not if I don't need to charge it), and forget about it. Once the phone mirrors its screen to the tablet, I would like to be able to control my phone (answering calls, navigating, etc.) without actually using my phone.
So far, after many, many, MANY searches over the web, I have found apps that allow mirroring but without the control i'm looking for.
I tried thinking about other options, such as Chromecast connected to a small LCD screen, but that still doesn't give me the control I am looking for.
I even thought about trying to learn how to create Android apps by myself in order to make an app for this, but i'm just not good at learning, and have no idea on how hard is it to create an app anyway.
So, what i'm searching for is knowing how can I do this, if this is possible at all.
Will it require an android tablet? if so, which version of android is the minimum required? will it require any customization? maybe just an LCD screen with some adapter connected to it?
I am fresh out of ideas but I really don't want to give up.
Please help me!
I hope I explained myself properly, and if I did not, I sincerely apologize.
Best regards,
DC.
DoubleClutch said:
Hello everyone.
First of all, I would like to point out that this is my first time posting here, and I have searched the forums. Although this place is simply huge and very hard to understand at first, I tried searching, and read the 2 sticky posts in this section.
If I still made an error by opening this thread, I sincerely apologize and request you do not hold it against me.
With that said, I will ask my question.
I am trying to do something that I believe has yet to be done.
I would like to mirror my Galaxy S4's screen to a tablet, and to be able to control my Galaxy from the tablet.
Here's why.
My plan is to purchase a tablet and place it in my car. This tablet will be anchored to the car's systems (Power, OBD2 Adapter, etc.) and will be un-removable.
The point of this is to minimize handling the phone while driving, by using the tablet to control the phone.
Nowadays, I have a small cellphone mount that is okay, but it requires placing the phone in it, and taking it out when I leave the car, and I would like something permanent.
I want to get into my car, plug the phone to its charger (or not if I don't need to charge it), and forget about it. Once the phone mirrors its screen to the tablet, I would like to be able to control my phone (answering calls, navigating, etc.) without actually using my phone.
So far, after many, many, MANY searches over the web, I have found apps that allow mirroring but without the control i'm looking for.
I tried thinking about other options, such as Chromecast connected to a small LCD screen, but that still doesn't give me the control I am looking for.
I even thought about trying to learn how to create Android apps by myself in order to make an app for this, but i'm just not good at learning, and have no idea on how hard is it to create an app anyway.
So, what i'm searching for is knowing how can I do this, if this is possible at all.
Will it require an android tablet? if so, which version of android is the minimum required? will it require any customization? maybe just an LCD screen with some adapter connected to it?
I am fresh out of ideas but I really don't want to give up.
Please help me!
I hope I explained myself properly, and if I did not, I sincerely apologize.
Best regards,
DC.
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Interesting and tricky "project".
You may read and/or ask in the Samsung Galaxy S 4 i9500, i9505, i9505G, i9506 > Galaxy S 4 General > Screen Mirroring on Galaxy S4 [+Games] thread.
Not exactly what you need, but the users there seem to have innovative ideas, and may help.
Alternatively you can ask in the [HELP THREAD] Galaxy S4 | Ask any question | Noob friendly. thread.
Thread closed ... thank you !
Greetings and Salutations fellow members of XDA. For quite some time now, I have been trying to gain ROOT access to my phone, sadly, to no avail. It seems there isn't an app I haven't tried that ultimately failed to produce results. From TowelRoot and FramaRoot, to Sunshine and Weaksauce, these apps and many others have not only failed me, but exposed my device to possible malicious content on the web.
However considering this is the #1 site to find answers to your technological problems and containing a very wide array of "professional" members (as well as those who are tech savvy), I hope that any of you can provide me some answers as to the way to ROOT my phone. I have many system apps on it (which don't even work), yet take up memory and space which could be used for apps which may actually come in handy.
So, to my fellow XDA users and the professionals on here, is there a way to ROOT my phone without a computer (as I do not own one, can not afford one, nor do I know anybody with a pc).
I just got my first Android phone; Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge. Needless to say, I have a lot to learn.
I have a Toshiba laptop with an Intel Core i7 & 8GB memory running Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit.
1st Question: What directories can I import JPGs (for Wallpaper) and MP3s (Music) into for use?
2nd Question: What software should I use on my PC to better communicate and interact with the S7 Edge?
3rd Question: What posts on this Forum should I read to quickly enhance my learning curve?
Thanks!
1st question: Any. The phone work like a flash drive when connect to computer and will detect on it own where you store your images and music.
2nd question: Because of 1st question answer, I don't think you need any. But if you want, there's samsung smart switch which can backup&restore data and recover your phone software if something have gone wrong.
3rd question: I will let others answer this.
Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
Welcome to XDA and to the world of Android.
To further elaborate on your second question, depending on what you mean by "communicate and interact" there are a few things you may want to install on your computer (I do all the below and my computer is much weaker than urs).
For example if you want to send commands to ur device from computer then you can install adb on your device. This is particularly useful for certain apps that require special permissions that can only be granted through adb. You can also do other things with it such as change permissions - for example refuse background processes for some apps as shown in this guide here (guide also shows how to install adb) https://www.xda-developers.com/freeze-app-background-processes-without-root-android-nougat/ .
If you are interested in mods which you may find alot of people on this forum are, then you may consider downloading Odin for PC which will allow you to install a custom recovery (as well as other things) which will in turn help you make many mods to ur device. Guide to installing custom recovery: https://forum.xda-developers.com/s7...overy-official-twrp-hero2lte-3-0-0-0-t3334084 .
With custom recovery, you can "root" the device - allowing higher permissions than before and therefore more possibilities for customisation and function for apps. Custom recovery can also allow you to "flash" (install) a new ROM (OS), or flash other mods that you will see in the forums.
Question 3
I think my previous answer overlapped with this a bit. I reckon XDA is challenging place to start learning about the basics of android if this were your first device. It is messy and full of people who know the basics and are trying do go above and beyond the limitations of the Android market. If you want to learn through XDA, I recommend you look up the "questions and answers" or "guides, news and discussion" sections. Otherwise a quick google should answer most queeries regarding the basics of the android as you discover more about your device. If not, we are (friendly and) always here to answer questions (as long as you post in the right sections).
I hope this isnt too basic for you. I thought it be better if I start simple to ensure understanding. Any queeries or comments, feel free to post.
BudParker - XDA said:
I just got my first Android phone; Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge. Needless to say, I have a lot to learn.
I have a Toshiba laptop with an Intel Core i7 & 8GB memory running Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit.
1st Question: What directories can I import JPGs (for Wallpaper) and MP3s (Music) into for use?
2nd Question: What software should I use on my PC to better communicate and interact with the S7 Edge?
3rd Question: What posts on this Forum should I read to quickly enhance my learning curve?
Thanks!
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1. It's best to keep a clean folder structure within your device. On Samsung devices, Music is stored under internal memory/Music or external SD card/Music. I'd advise importing Wallpapers and the like to the "Pictures" Folder in either of the storage options.
2. No Software needed. Your Android Phone will work like a USB-Flash drive. Once connected to a PC or MAC, you File Explorer or Finder will show you the internal folders and files of your phone and you can just start drag&drop actions.
3. Hardest to answer....Just start reading. How I did it when I first came here:
- Start with the Forum Rules.
- Write down words I don't know/understand and research these words.
- Endless reading.
- Start asking questions.
- Endless reading (When it pays off, you won't notice. However, you'll notice when you didn't read and end up bricking your device.)
- Start testing on my own device.
- Answer questions.
Hope it helps =) Welcome to XDA!
nitrous² said:
1. It's best to keep a clean folder structure within your device. On Samsung devices, Music is stored under internal memory/Music or external SD card/Music. I'd advise importing Wallpapers and the like to the "Pictures" Folder in either of the storage options.
2. No Software needed. Your Android Phone will work like a USB-Flash drive. Once connected to a PC or MAC, you File Explorer or Finder will show you the internal folders and files of your phone and you can just start drag&drop actions.
3. Hardest to answer....Just start reading. How I did it when I first came here:
- Start with the Forum Rules.
- Write down words I don't know/understand and research these words.
- Endless reading.
- Start asking questions.
- Endless reading (When it pays off, you won't notice. However, you'll notice when you didn't read and end up bricking your device.)
- Start testing on my own device.
- Answer questions.
Hope it helps =) Welcome to XDA!
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Thanks, my friend. Your reply is much appreciated.
Eggleston11 said:
Welcome to XDA and to the world of Android.
To further elaborate on your second question, depending on what you mean by "communicate and interact" there are a few things you may want to install on your computer (I do all the below and my computer is much weaker than urs).
For example if you want to send commands to ur device from computer then you can install adb on your device. This is particularly useful for certain apps that require special permissions that can only be granted through adb. You can also do other things with it such as change permissions - for example refuse background processes for some apps as shown in this guide here (guide also shows how to install adb) https://www.xda-developers.com/freeze-app-background-processes-without-root-android-nougat/ .
If you are interested in mods which you may find alot of people on this forum are, then you may consider downloading Odin for PC which will allow you to install a custom recovery (as well as other things) which will in turn help you make many mods to ur device. Guide to installing custom recovery: https://forum.xda-developers.com/s7...overy-official-twrp-hero2lte-3-0-0-0-t3334084 .
With custom recovery, you can "root" the device - allowing higher permissions than before and therefore more possibilities for customisation and function for apps. Custom recovery can also allow you to "flash" (install) a new ROM (OS), or flash other mods that you will see in the forums.
Question 3
I think my previous answer overlapped with this a bit. I reckon XDA is challenging place to start learning about the basics of android if this were your first device. It is messy and full of people who know the basics and are trying do go above and beyond the limitations of the Android market. If you want to learn through XDA, I recommend you look up the "questions and answers" or "guides, news and discussion" sections. Otherwise a quick google should answer most queeries regarding the basics of the android as you discover more about your device. If not, we are (friendly and) always here to answer questions (as long as you post in the right sections).
I hope this isnt too basic for you. I thought it be better if I start simple to ensure understanding. Any queeries or comments, feel free to post.
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I appreciate your comments and helpful attitude! I'll follow your advice.