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Please take this suggestion and make a new subforum for DREAM ANDROID ROMS and so on for other devices. Please move all ROM releases to that subforum and leave the development forum to the DEVS. Thanks
let me be clear... im not saying xda isnt doing their job. I believe that the popularity of the android dev platform requires the additional specific subforum in order to streamline development collaboration
I seconds this suggestion, or sticky the roms threads either would be better than the way it is now.
Yo I laughed my @ss off at this
I know its a suggestion... but honestly do you think the site will listen???
That's like posting a thread saying
"This websites wack and illegal, take it down or ill report it"
How did you expect the mods to react to this? Take it straight to hq!!
Lol the only way the would in fact do this
Is by making a poll or petetion
With a lot oh sigs
But then again that wouldn't work either
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I just thought a way they could controll so many pointless ROMS as in themed or barely edited hero or something
They could change everything
There would be dev account and then there would be member account
for example dev accounts are constanly monitered for activity and checked over from time to time to see if they really are devs or not
Member account have certain permission in certain forums
So if a member account came in dream development
They can't post a new thread, however they can reply to post.......leaving the forums clean with no "help me" post etc...
Just a thought pretty smart ehh??
jf4888 said:
Yo I laughed my @ss off at this
I know its a suggestion... but honestly do you think the site will listen???
That's like posting a thread saying
"This websites wack and illegal, take it down or ill report it"
How did you expect the mods to react to this? Take it straight to hq!!
Lol the only way the would in fact do this
Is by making a poll or petetion
With a lot oh sigs
But then again that wouldn't work either
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Who pissed in your cheerios ;-)
no way...there are dedicated ROM databases that do what you're looking for. this is a broader scoped development board.
I like the idea... But, I'll be surprised if this suggestion is used.
1st - every Android device has the same setup. So, if they changed this for the G1/Dream then they would have to change it for every Android device currently listed and to be released.
2nd - After looking at other devices (other than Android) - many only have ROM development sub-forums (as they would be the same as the dev forum).
3rd - The develepment for the Dream/G1 is mainly for ROMs. The extra development going on is for "Android" - meaning generally for Android the operating system and NOT device specific.
A better suggestion would be for Xda to create a separate forum for "Android Development" that is NOT device specific! Then every app, program, OS application (OS as in Windows/Linux/Leopard/etc) could be included in the "Android development" forum and NOT in the Dream/Sapphire/Cliq/Droid/etc. forums.
The "Android Development" forum would be the one to which all the general Andoid development threads would be directed. There could be two sub-forums: Android OS Development, Android app and game development (as almost all apps/games would be made to work on all devices). I would leave the themes separate as they would mainly be device specific.
Then the "Dream-Android Development Forum" would be mainly for Dream/G1 ROMs or items specific to the Dream.
jf4888 said:
I just thought a way they could controll so many pointless ROMS as in themed or barely edited hero or something
They could change everything
There would be dev account and then there would be member account
for example dev accounts are constanly monitered for activity and checked over from time to time to see if they really are devs or not
Member account have certain permission in certain forums
So if a member account came in dream development
They can't post a new thread, however they can reply to post.......leaving the forums clean with no "help me" post etc...
Just a thought pretty smart ehh??
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You know call me crazy but this makes since to me.
alapapa said:
no way...there are dedicated ROM databases that do what you're looking for. this is a broader scoped development board.
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my problem is that we have this DREAM ANDROID DEVELOPMENT forum that is used to release ROMS, not develop them. If we had a forum to release them in, then end users wouldn't be asking q & a in the dev section. they could ask the q & a there... where they dl'ed the ROM from. it's just a suggestion, but i think it could ADD to DEVELOPMENT!!!
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I just thought a way they could controll so many pointless ROMS as in themed or barely edited hero or something
They could change everything
There would be dev account and then there would be member account
for example dev accounts are constanly monitered for activity and checked over from time to time to see if they really are devs or not
Member account have certain permission in certain forums
So if a member account came in dream development
They can't post a new thread, however they can reply to post.......leaving the forums clean with no "help me" post etc...
Just a thought pretty smart ehh??
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That is just not practical from a moderation standpoint! Also, how do you "qualify" a dev? Is there a master database listing all the developers? What if someone learns to develop apps who previously was just a member - What would be the approval process to become a "dev?" I understand the developer's frustration with trying to get things DONE while all the non-devs bombard them with questions and clutter up the forum... But, I don't think the above is a very good solution. IT SOUNDS GOOD IN THEORY! It just won't be practical to implement.
Please don't take my comment the wrong way. I am NOT a dev (although I have purchased a lot of material to begin to learn and am planning on developing in the near future) - but, even I GET AGGRAVATED by all the clutter on the forum. I just don't think the above suggestion is a workable solution.
jaaronmoody said:
my problem is that we have this DREAM ANDROID DEVELOPMENT forum that is used to release ROMS, not develop them. If we had a forum to release them in, then end users wouldn't be asking q & a in the dev section. they could ask the q & a there... where they dl'ed the ROM from. it's just a suggestion, but i think it could ADD to DEVELOPMENT!!!
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I like your suggestion... Which is essentially that they add a ROM release sub-forum... ONLY, for released ROMS.
I still think my suggestion would be better. If they took my suggestion much of the general ANDROID clutter would be separated. All the general Andoid OS/app development clutter would be gone.
LEAVING this forum for Dream/G1 ROMS - as that would really be the only reason to be on the forum specific to the DREAM.
CURRENTLY - almost ALL the general (non device specific) Android dev's are working off of the Dream-Android development forum: 1st - because most people still have a Dream, 2nd - it has been around the longest, 3rd - that is where they are used to going and know that all the other devs go (more visibility for their posts).
If my suggestion was made - much of that would change. It would take the Mods awhile to keep moving the new posts to the new location... But, within a month everyone would be on track.
I think we're fighting windmills here, but it is a perfectly valid and reasonable suggestion. I happen to agree that the "development" thread has very little development discussion anymore. A good percentage of the development discussion takes place in PMs, Twitter, and other collaboration spaces, and thereby making any shared knowledge much more difficult to obtain.
If there were a ROM release section, it would sideline much of the noise that currently occupies this section.
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I think we're fighting windmills here, but it is a perfectly valid and reasonable suggestion. I happen to agree that the "development" thread has very little development discussion anymore. A good percentage of the development discussion takes place in PMs, Twitter, and other collaboration spaces, and thereby making any shared knowledge much more difficult to obtain.
If there were a ROM release section, it would sideline much of the noise that currently occupies this section.
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Agreed. hopefully something works out
as i plan to get a new ANDROID soon... hopefully... i would love to see this implemented in current and FUTURE device forums
AndroidSPIN ROM Database provides this service
alapapa said:
no way...there are dedicated ROM databases that do what you're looking for. this is a broader scoped development board.
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As alapapa said. There are dedicated databases on the internet that make finding the latest releases real easy. I run AndroidSPIN which is one such database and each ROM has links back to the specific forums on XDA. We also host all the ROM files providing a HIGH speed download of all your faves.
I consider us an add-on service to XDA by providing functionality XDA does not but also compliments XDA by linking back to all the relevant content here.
Obviously the database is only as good as the information that it contains. We now have additional members of the community assisting in keeping this data up to date but if you see a ROM that is not in the AndroidSPIN database, please let us know.
Thanks
Simon
simon, i support your website by putting it in my sig ...but I believe XDA needs it's own place
idea!!!!!
Use the search and search for [ROM] that might give you a better result just an idea search features is there ....use it? Or sticky a post with a link to a search for all [ROM] titles as they are supposed to be titled like that anyway... idk just my own $.02
I suggested this back when JF was releasing RC33 roms...no one listened then...no one will listen now.
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I suggested this back when JF was releasing RC33 roms...no one listened then...no one will listen now.
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it was a good idea then, and i think it's a good idea now
SimonNWalker said:
As alapapa said. There are dedicated databases on the internet that make finding the latest releases real easy. I run AndroidSPIN which is one such database and each ROM has links back to the specific forums on XDA. We also host all the ROM files providing a HIGH speed download of all your faves.
I consider us an add-on service to XDA by providing functionality XDA does not but also compliments XDA by linking back to all the relevant content here.
Obviously the database is only as good as the information that it contains. We now have additional members of the community assisting in keeping this data up to date but if you see a ROM that is not in the AndroidSPIN database please let us know.
Thanks
Simon
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I appreciate AndroidSPIN and think it provides a valuable service, but the problem is that it does absolutely nothing to curtail the fact that the development forum is drowning in end-user posts. It's nearly impossible to find any information here on actual development work because the focus is almost entirely on releases, flashing, and end-user troubleshooting.
Look at all the stickies in this forum, even. The closest you get to 'development' in any of the FAQs is how to set up ADB and maybe some minor theming information. I just went through the process of setting up my own AOSP build environment, and xda was virtually useless for any of it. In fact, I ended up having to document part of the process myself, and the thread related to that has long since been buried under a torrent of non-development topics.
ROMS and end-user topics need to be segregated out from development, or xda will remain absolutely useless for people interested in Android development.
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Also, putting ROM releases and end-user topics in their own forum wouldn't replace sites like AndroidSPIN. They'll still be useful for figuring out what's what and what the latest releases are. It would just keep actual development topics from being buried because a new release hits and there's a flood of bug reports and troubleshooting posts.
I don't see how that changes the service AndroidSPIN and similar sites provide at all.
Just to emphasize how bad this problem has gotten, of the 20 threads on the first page of the development forum, as of this writing:
11 are ROM release threads.
2 are "how to flash your G1" threads
2 are "bricked G1" threads
2 are [MOD] threads
1 is related to installing Debian on the G1
1 is a thread about the Hero kernel, which is at least the third of these I've seen
1 is this thread
Where's the development?
With the general feeling of disappointment (and even hate) around, I thought I'll take this moment out to thoroughly explain what has been done, and why it has been done.
Have a look at the list below:
Singapore Galaxy S4
Australian Galaxy S4 owners thread
Pakistani Galaxy S4 Owners Thread
Brazilian Galaxy S4 Thread
Galaxy S4 Philippines
Bangladesh Galaxy S4
Indian Galaxy S4 Owners Thread
[malaysian i9500/i9505 thread]
Ireland/UK Galaxy S4 Thread
Lebanese Galaxy S4 Thread
Sweden S4 Thread
Now ask yourself these questions:
Do you actually need these many country threads?
There are 190+ countries in the world, and with a global launch for the S4, does each and every country require it's own thread? If you answer "No", then you are biased in thinking that country A needs a thread whereas country B doesn't.
And what's to say that a single thread is sufficient per country? For example, my own state is larger in area and population than many European nations. So why shouldn't I have my own state thread? The state itself is too big, and a city based thread would be more localized. Maybe I, as a user, should create one. Or maybe a locality based one would solve all my woes.
The question here is, at what point do we draw the line? This is no easy question to answer, because try as much as we may, no one solution will please all.
Yes, we understand that when the phone launches (even during pre-launch), there is general excitement and frenzy all over. And at these times, such threads become helpful. They allow people to gather information at the time when there is no clear answer with everybody. The device is relatively new, and people are ignorant of what the best deal may be.
Fast forward to two months after launch. Do you still require region specific threads? Wouldn't it be easier if you just paid a visit to your local market or your online store to find out the current market prices, check the online review stores for the best set of accessories, contact your provider's Customer Service to find out their LTE rollout plans, etc?
XDA is not the answer to everything. Yes, a lot of people rely on researching the forum to see if there are hardware/software issues before they buy a new device. But to say that the sole purpose they joined was to find the best contract they can avail from Three, then I must say, they joined for the wrong reasons.
We aren't a consumer oriented website. We are a developer's website, but we do allow plenty of leeway to non-developers. We realize that everybody starts small, and we really appreciate the people who actually take the efforts to start. But certain things are better considered as "privileges" and not "rights".
"They shouldn't have closed down the threads. They weren't useless."
- I honestly doubt if any moderator has called any of those threads as useless. Even in my closing posts, I have acknowledged the fact that the team considers these threads as useful. It's just that, they have served their time well, and all of them have started pointing towards the more generic topics of discussion, and hence, needed to be retired from duty. [Example: In a bunch of threads, the conversation topic was the latest firmware that dropped in another country thousands of kilometres away.] Essentially, people were talking the same things, but in different groups.
"You call yourself a community. Yet you do not allow communities to exist"
- We at XDA, are a community in ourselves. When people further attempt to create communities in the open fora, they are in fact dividing the existing one. We do not need this type of segregation, when there no longer exists need of one.
How many Malaysian users frequented the Indian thread, or how many Brazilian users helped around in the Philippines thread? (Just examples used to drive the point across). People can still roam around, but do they?
"These threads helped newbie's to start with their device. The people are really helpful, and answer any questions asked."
- Yes, again, Fact Acknowledged and a virtual pat on the back for everyone who helped :good:
But isn't that the purpose with which the "[HELP THREAD] Galaxy S4 | Ask any question | Noob friendly." thread (and the Q&A section at large) was made? Imagine, if people from one community are so helpful, if everyone chimed in and helped people around, you'd actually be increasing your scope from inter-region to international.
You see a question asked, and you have the knowledge and will, you answer it, irrespective of the user being from your country or not, asking in your thread or not. If you see someone genuinely taking efforts to help someone else out, you hit the "thanks" button for them and give them a pinch of motivation
TL;DR, things don't need to be restricted to your subscribed threads. There's a largely unexplored forum out there, waiting for you.
As a matter of fact, the early bunch of pm's I received after the closures were made, were people who thought/assumed that only their own thread was closed. They failed to notice at that moment that a bunch of them were closed at the same time.
People who frequently roam around the General subfora would even acknowledge the fact that the threads had started to clog. The regional threads notice a high turnover and this results in all of them sitting at page one. This barely leaves room for other threads to be noticed.
The S4 had ~13 regional threads, and as per the forecasted trend, the Note 3 would have touched 20 regional threads by this time in its product cycle. The threads are made under the general moniker of "Availabilty and Deals", but a lot of them end up being "me-too" type threads. Country A has it, so country B should do too.
Question again, where do we draw the line?
It is also disappointing to hear the tone in some of the pm's. Much more disappointing is the fact that people call us "fascist" and compare us moderators with controversial historical figures, while all we are doing is trying to manage a forum while having a broader line of sight. Have we really wronged you so much by closing a thread, so as to be deserving of such hate?
No, we do not ban people just because they questioned a moderator's action. We simply request you to be polite and do it via pm, not as public posts. We are tolerant and will accept constructive criticism as feedback.
We haven't taken any action against misue of "official" in thread titles, while we could have very well infracted the erring OP's on misrepresentation and action without authorization. We can and we should have, but have we done so? No, we haven't. And this by itself is a testimony to the fact that we are tolerant to a really large extent.
Then you have posts like "Moderators are stupid, they don't know how to manage", which are no better than the newbie's post in a dev thread which says "My wifi broke. Fix it" without any additional details. Where is the constructive criticism in this? At the very least, work with us to solve the issues. Simply escalating problems isn't good for the community and might even worsen the situation.
Again, we are emphasizing the fact that these threads were useful. But the decision to close down a large number of these was one of the toughest ones that we have ever taken. As mentioned previously, it has been discussed to death. All possibilities, angles, point-of-views, were taken in mind before we came to a conclusion. Decisions aren't just abruptly taken.
In fact, the right decision isn't always the most popular one, as we have experienced here firsthand. We aren't looking around for threads to close in other devices as of yet. But if the need arises, and decision is to be made, then decision shall be made (on case by case basis).
In future devices, these threads aren't "banned" per se. Users are still free to create one when the device is just born/young. But do bear in mind that sometime in the future, they may get closed.
As for the Galaxy S4, this is the end of regional threads (except the ones exempted on hardware differences). Any more threads/retakes will not be allowed in the subfora. Please respect this decision.
"What do we do know?"
- As my teammates have mentioned (and as has been discussed via pm with some of you), the Social Groups feature of XDA is vastly left unutilized. You are free to create your own country, city, toy club groups. And as long as things remain within the forum rules there, they shall be allowed. Talk OT, availability, accessories, whatever you wish. Just abide by the forum rules, and report in case of problems That is all we ask :good:
If you pm me the link of the XDA social group that you have created for your country thread (provided one doesn't exist already), I'll edit the closing post and direct users towards them :good:
"Will you place links to our groups made on popular social networking sites?"
- I'm afraid we can't do that. We restrict ourselves to things concerning XDA.
We hope this clears up a lot of questions that people had in mind.
Thank you for your patience and co-operation
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Hi guys,
Sorry if I missed similar threads regarding this subject. I'm running stock 4.4.4 and I want to keep on running this thing.
Although, I'm not really satisfied with the battery. I hardly get 4 hours of screen on time. I am a light Nexus 5 user.. I browse, listen to music, sometimes a few calls and of course social media. No gaming!
I was wondering, what kernel would improve my battery life?
Thanks in advance!
Sent from my Nexus 5 using XDA Free mobile app
IVS IVRIS said:
Hi guys,
Sorry if I missed similar threads regarding this subject. I'm running stock 4.4.4 and I want to keep on running this thing.
Although, I'm not really satisfied with the battery. I hardly get 4 hours of screen on time. I am a light Nexus 5 user.. I browse, listen to music, sometimes a few calls AMD of course social media. No gaming!
I was wondering, what kernel would improve my battery life?
Thanks in advance!
Sent from my Nexus 5 using XDA Free mobile app
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There is no single kernel that will fully suit your needs. You just need to experiment man. They all have their pros and cons.
I've had a great experience with this kernel though Code_Blue r176
Kernels hardly influence battery life. Neither does any specific ROM. Maybe a minor difference, but not anything major. You can try every single kernel and battery life will be extremely similar. I find it silly when people claim one has better battery life than another.
This thread is just another way to ask for a kernel and isn't allowed here.
What lethargy said, a kernel isn't going to make a big difference. You should try some and see what works best for you. We each use our phones differently and what's best for me may not be best for you
Edit, you screen on is pretty good. If you want better you're going to have to give up social media apps. In my experience, they're a big battery drain. At least don't let them sync that often
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IVS IVRIS said:
Hi guys,
Sorry if I missed similar threads regarding this subject. I'm running stock 4.4.4 and I want to keep on running this thing.
Although, I'm not really satisfied with the battery. I hardly get 4 hours of screen on time. I am a light Nexus 5 user.. I browse, listen to music, sometimes a few calls and of course social media. No gaming!
I was wondering, what kernel would improve my battery life?
Thanks in advance!
Sent from my Nexus 5 using XDA Free mobile app
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I run Franco kernel. Very good stock settings and very frequently updated. Also, his per app mode app can save a lot of battery too. It's definitely worth the money
IVS IVRIS said:
Hi guys,
Sorry if I missed similar threads regarding this subject. I'm running stock 4.4.4 and I want to keep on running this thing.
Although, I'm not really satisfied with the battery. I hardly get 4 hours of screen on time. I am a light Nexus 5 user.. I browse, listen to music, sometimes a few calls and of course social media. No gaming!
I was wondering, what kernel would improve my battery life?
Thanks in advance!
Sent from my Nexus 5 using XDA Free mobile app
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Hi all, I would like to ask community members to take part in a short survey designed to understand the dynamics of innovation collaboration processes between user communities such XDA Developers and device manufacturers.
In particular looking at assessing the degree to which external innovation communities contribute to the internal innovation output of Android smartphone and tablet device hardware and software manufacturers.
What is the best way to go about doing this?
Posting in the general forum or in specific device sub forums?
I would love to get as many respondents as possible so perhaps someone could point me in the direction of an official news author?
Any help much appreciated!
mnp said:
Hi all, I would like to ask community members to take part in a short survey designed to understand the dynamics of innovation collaboration processes between user communities such XDA Developers and device manufacturers.
In particular looking at assessing the degree to which external innovation communities contribute to the internal innovation output of Android smartphone and tablet device hardware and software manufacturers.
What is the best way to go about doing this?
Posting in the general forum or in specific device sub forums?
I would love to get as many respondents as possible so perhaps someone could point me in the direction of an official news author?
Any help much appreciated!
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Greetings,
Please be sure to read the sticky threads for XDA Assist. This is not a help desk. Our purpose here is to assist new members in finding their way around XDA. We provide a link to the best forum or a thread already in existence for the issues at hand. Senior members are expected to know how to use search and find the best location for their questions. That being said, your thread would be best suited in the General section of XDA.
Thanks for understanding.
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I'm sorry if these questions are in the wrong place and/or covered in other places... feel free to scold and educate me as necessary.
1: I've been using XDA for a while, and never seen the "Cross Development" forums until recently (specifically the OnePlus devices). What exactly is the difference between Development and Cross-Development. Is the "cross" referring cross-device, cross-nationality, cross-team, or the more ubiquitous form, cross-platform?
(I'm assuming it means cross-device, i.e. the 8 (non pro) x 8 Pro devices, or in the case of the 7, the 7 x 7t, x 7pro x 7t Pro).
2: If my assumption about cross-device is correct, why is this separation of forums necessary? If the roms, bootloader, etc are cross-compatible... isn't this separation superfluous?
Again, sorry if this is a very ignorant question... asking because I want to educate myself.
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I'm sorry if these questions are in the wrong place and/or covered in other places... feel free to scold and educate me as necessary.
1: I've been using XDA for a while, and never seen the "Cross Development" forums until recently (specifically the OnePlus devices). What exactly is the difference between Development and Cross-Development. Is the "cross" referring cross-device, cross-nationality, cross-team, or the more ubiquitous form, cross-platform?
(I'm assuming it means cross-device, i.e. the 8 (non pro) x 8 Pro devices, or in the case of the 7, the 7 x 7t, x 7pro x 7t Pro).
2: If my assumption about cross-device is correct, why is this separation of forums necessary? If the roms, bootloader, etc are cross-compatible... isn't this separation superfluous?
Again, sorry if this is a very ignorant question... asking because I want to educate myself.
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Your assumption is indeed correct, it means cross-device i.e. the published code (ROM's, kernel, mods etc.) are compatible to or suitable for all devices under the umbrella of this x-device sub-forum.
And technically, such a x-device forum exists only once as a sub-forum to a specific device forum; all other respective device fora are just bearing a link to the x-device forum. The purpose of the x-device fora is that a thread with the code, which is suitable for multiple platforms, is published only once and not two, three or four times through duplicate threads. Without precedence, first XDA likes not to have duplicate threads but second - and probably more important - it allows the thread owner and developer to focus for support, assistance and update on a single thread and withdraws the requirement to monitor multiple threads. This (except for the update portion) also applies to our great XDA members who always live the spirit of XDA and try to help and support other members.
Please advise if my explanation wasn't sufficient or if I misunderstood your question. I'm very happy to elaborate more if required.
Oswald Boelcke said:
Your assumption is indeed correct, it means cross-device i.e. the published code (ROM's, kernel, mods etc.) are compatible to or suitable for all devices under the umbrella of this x-device sub-forum.
And technically, such a x-device forum exists only once as a sub-forum to a specific device forum; all other respective device fora are just bearing a link to the x-device forum. The purpose of the x-device fora is that a thread with the code, which is suitable for multiple platforms, is published only once and not two, three or four times through duplicate threads. Without precedence, first XDA likes not to have duplicate threads but second - and probably more important - it allows the thread owner and developer to focus for support, assistance and update on a single thread and withdraws the requirement to monitor multiple threads. This (except for the update portion) also applies to our great XDA members who always live the spirit of XDA and try to help and support other members.
Please advise if my explanation wasn't sufficient or if I misunderstood your question. I'm very happy to elaborate more if required.
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You explained it perfectly, thank you!
It also explains why I haven't really seen the X-Device sub before, as most of my devices have been A) Carrier specific, or B) Samsung's typical Samsung nonsense which is about as un-crossable as they come from my experience.
Rabid-Cabbit said:
You explained it perfectly, thank you!
It also explains why I haven't really seen the X-Device sub before, as most of my devices have been A) Carrier specific, or B) Samsung's typical Samsung nonsense which is about as un-crossable as they come from my experience.
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I'm glad to hear that I could answer your question.
My first Android device was a Motorola Milestone 2 but since then all devices in our family are Samsungs; even our first ones, S3 LTE GT-i9305, are still in use with great satisfaction. I never buy the lastest but only used ones in good conditions, and my current daily driver is a Galaxy S8+, SM-G955F. But I've to say I was so far pretty happy with the x-device development available in the S8+ forum. However, I'm currently no longer actively monitoring development there as it seems that all have moved to Android 10 and above. And for different reasons, I'm not willing to go beyond Pie - even if security patches aren't anylonger available; but this has also to do with my personal use of a smartphone or better with what I will never use it for.
Enjoy the day - but stay safe and stay healthy!
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Oswald Boelcke
Oswald Boelcke said:
I'm glad to hear that I could answer your question.
My first Android device was a Motorola Milestone 2 but since then all devices in our family are Samsungs; even our first ones, S3 LTE GT-i9305, are still in use with great satisfaction. I never buy the lastest but only used ones in good conditions, and my current daily driver is a Galaxy S8+, SM-G955F. But I've to say I was so far pretty happy with the x-device development available in the S8+ forum. However, I'm currently no longer actively monitoring development there as it seems that all have moved to Android 10 and above. And for different reasons, I'm not willing to go beyond Pie - even if security patches aren't anylonger available; but this has also to do with my personal use of a smartphone or better with what I will never use it for.
Enjoy the day - but stay safe and stay healthy!
Regards
Oswald Boelcke
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I totally understand. I hated android 5 and 6 with a fiery passion previously unbeknownst to mankind. I refused to upgrade and stuck with 4.4.2 pretty much until android 7/8. To be honest, I still prefer the mod scene and rom scene from good ol' 4.4 days. I really dislike Material (Most would say my opinion is "unpopular" at best, and downright stupid to most). Whether I like it or not, Android, Carriers, Manufacturers, and Developers are changing, and right along with them, XDA is as well. ( If you notice my -signature- the devices don't upgrade by model or release, they pretty much coincide with android upgrades that I liked, lol)
Rabid-Cabbit said:
I totally understand. I hated android 5 and 6 with a fiery passion previously unbeknownst to mankind. I refused to upgrade and stuck with 4.4.2 pretty much until android 7/8. To be honest, I still prefer the mod scene and rom scene from good ol' 4.4 days. I really dislike Material (Most would say my opinion is "unpopular" at best, and downright stupid to most). Whether I like it or not, Android, Carriers, Manufacturers, and Developers are changing, and right along with them, XDA is as well. ( If you notice my -signature- the devices don't upgrade by model or release, they pretty much coincide with android upgrades that I liked, lol)
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Absolutely correct, and we could continue this discussion or these talks for days - all flavoured with own experiences.
By the way: I think this is not device i.e. OP 8 Pro related. Would you mind if I move the thread to the general Q&A: https://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=456
Oswald Boelcke said:
Absolutely correct, and we could continue this discussion or these talks for days - all flavoured with own experiences.
By the way: I think this is not device i.e. OP 8 Pro related. Would you mind if I move the thread to the general Q&A: https://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=456
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Tbh id like to see device specific treble ROMs within device development sections or a sticky in discussion.
The treble sections although busy are littered with poor souls who have specific questions and many don't get answers.
There's a strength in treble which hasn't been explored or exploited as much as it should have been due to a lack of clarity between devices.
Even a known issues or knowledge base section would work.
It'll end up with everyone simply ignoring treble due to a lack of info on each GSI..
dladz said:
Tbh id like to see device specific treble ROMs within device development sections or a sticky in discussion.
The treble sections although busy are littered with poor souls who have specific questions and many don't get answers.
There's a strength in treble which hasn't been explored or exploited as much as it should have been due to a lack of clarity between devices.
Even a known issues or knowledge base section would work.
It'll end up with everyone simply ignoring treble due to a lack of info on each GSI..
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The decision if and when a device receives its own forum solely rests with the administrators (as far as I know in close coordination with the site owners). I'm also aware that they take multiple aspects into consideration but I'm lacking details. And same applies to dedicated sub-fora or sections.
I'm not familiar with treble ROM's or GSI's due to my devices but more my personal requirements especially regarding privacy. I guess I haven't changed the system on my daily used device for more than one year. Why to change a running horse?
Consider to provide your suggestions to the site's admins via the XDA Contacts & Help. It carries a specific form for (private) suggestions to make XDA better: https://www.xda-developers.com/contact/#suggestion. But if you want to go publicly I suggest this thread that you already know and where also we both communicated: [All XDA Members] Feedback/Recommendations for XDA
Oswald Boelcke said:
The decision if and when a device receives its own forum solely rests with the administrators (as far as I know in close coordination with the site owners). I'm also aware that they take multiple aspects into consideration but I'm lacking details. And same applies to dedicated sub-fora or sections.
I'm not familiar with treble ROM's or GSI's due to my devices but more my personal requirements especially regarding privacy. I guess I haven't changed the system on my daily used device for more than one year. Why to change a running horse?
Consider to provide your suggestions to the site's admins via the XDA Contacts & Help. It carries a specific form for (private) suggestions to make XDA better: https://www.xda-developers.com/contact/#suggestion. But if you want to go publicly I suggest this thread that you already know and where also we both communicated: [All XDA Members] Feedback/Recommendations for XDA
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Aye I'll suggest it
In a nut shell what will happen is, someone will make a treble ROM. Then everyone from all corners of XDA and wider will turn up and say will this work on this device or this device..
9/10 they won't get an answer. That's what I'm driving at..