Hi everyone. So basically I had my mind set on the Nexus 5, you know why, good price, great specs, OFF CONTRACT. but then I saw the Moto G (INFO:http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...=qgzHc_FtjHjiVxJ7ELJTmw&bvm=bv.56343320,d.cGE). And it set my focus astray. Now I can't decide if I want the cheaper but still good alternative that I'd have to wait a little bit longer to get, or just go for the top-of--the-line Nexus 5 just in time for Christmas. I mean, I like the Moto G's price, and water-resistant capabilities, but I feel that the Nexus 5's specs, and 4G LTE, and the fact that it probably has more U.S. bands will serve me better. But, the thing is, the Moto G is probably more durable then the N5 due to it's size,material, and water-resistance. although the specs of the MG probably wont last me as long as they N5. see my dilemma? The specs of the N5 will last me longer but it's construction probably wont. The MG's specs wont last me, but the casing will. what should I settle on? Oh, and btw, i'm fairly careful with my phones, but I do work in landscaping, party, and do a lot of outdoor activities that I would like to have my phone with me during such. thanks for you input.
if you live in the U.S i would go for the Nexus 5, if you live in Europe the Moto G is probably a better option.
I've been following the Flex 2 since Flex 1 came out
I've been planning to upgrade from my Note 2 FOREVER... I really wanted the Flex 2 but the whole SD810 overheating problem, lack of 3GB RAM and no Flamenco red colour choice in Europe has stopped me from buying the LG G Flex 2 straight away. I can see SD810 is getting better with updates and I realized 2GB RAM (European model) is not a deal breaker for me. But I really want a curved screen and the Red colour choice.
So I have been waiting and waiting and waiting for the red colour to come out in Europe... and guess what?
G4 was released today.
G4 seems like a perfect phone to me. LG seems to have corrected a lot of its mistakes from G3 and Flex 2. Perfect Camera, Perfect Screen, Perfect Size, Perfect Battery, Perfect Micro SD, Perfect UX.
But I just cant get over the FLAMING HOT RED AND CURVED LG G FLEX 2. My head is saying G4 but my heart is saying Flex 2.
So I have to make a decision and I would love to hear some opinions
G4: More RAM, Better Camera, "More Stable" Processor, Better Screen, Better Software.
Flex 2: CURVED SCREEN, FLAMENCO RED.
What would you choose?
I may have only had the flex 2 for 5 days, but so far I like it. I do have issues though.
Battery is nothing near what the flex 1 was, barely lasts me 12 hours of moderate use. 6 hours of heavy use. (average screen on time is 3.5 hours so far)
The device does get hotter than the flex 1, but it hasn't overheated yet. It will get hot to the point where the device will prevent you from increasing the screen brightness, though.
Performance is fine. It has very small, almost unnoticeable lag every once in a while. Usually in an app that requires a lot of computation (games).
Take everything I say with a grain of salt, as this is the AT&T US version, which has 3GB of RAM.
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I'm actually quite irritated that the G4 wasn't on the radar a month ago. I would have waited a little longer, and now I'm stuck with a device that seems like it wasn't designed as well as it should have. I feel burned by LG for this, especially because I took a risk with a preorder. I really wish I could return it and get a G4 but that's not an option for me ($-wise) anymore.
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I'm actually quite irritated that the G4 wasn't on the radar a month ago. I would have waited a little longer, and now I'm stuck with a device that seems like it wasn't designed as well as it should have. I feel burned by LG for this, especially because I took a risk with a preorder. I really wish I could return it and get a G4 but that's not an option for me ($-wise) anymore.
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That's why is best to wait it out instead of trying to be one of the first to get the device. Also there was so much rumors about the 810 chip before the device even had a release date but a lot of folks decided to ignore it and still risk on getting it thinking maybe an update would fix it.
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LG G3 was the first phone with 2k screen and they didn't do a good job with it, then came along Samsung and perfected the 2k screen same with the chip lg g flex 2 was the first with it and failed badly on behalf of both LG and Qualcomm. Now what even funny is that the G4 has the 808 chip which LG and Qualcomm has been working on for 2 years what!!! Lmao I know right I mean why didn't they just go ahead and put the 808 into the flex 2? Well guess the flex 2 was their test phone for Qualcomm 810 chip and saw how fail it was and decided to go with the 808 for the G4 lol.
G4!
So it's been a long but pleasant 18 months journey with the beloved, underrated G Flex 2. Even though my phone is still in a very good condition and capable of daily use and abuses, the 18 months contract with my telco is up and it's time to renew the contract/ get a new phone. When I look up the menu list, only 2 phones that can catch my eyes. One is being the LG V20, and the other is Sony's Xperia XZ. Both has different features and excel in different aspects. But for me, it's most probably that I'm gonna go with LG V20 for having QHD display, dual camera (and removable battery as well).
How's about you guys? What's the next phone you've upgraded (or) will upgrade from the GF2? and why? Let's discuss about it.
Well,I wouldnt try LG again if it weren't for the excellent camera the G5 has,so this is gonna be my next phone when I catch a good offer.
OP3T seems like a good choice too,but its so overpriced in my country and also the main camera isnt as brilliant
My Mrs has had nothing but trouble from her GF2 that I told her to buy 1.5 years ago.
I will therefore tell her to either get a cheap G3 if the GF2 breaks or get the OP3, which is excellent. I agree the camera isn't in the Pixel or G5 league but its still way better than the GF2.
So I am getting sick of the battery life of this device and charging twice a day just to get by... the QC helps but it isn't always a viable option for someone who is on the road/travels a lot. I am probably going to go back to my Moto G 2015 for the time being as I could get a full days use most of the time on a single charge and just selling my MXPE.
But now the question comes up as what to replace it with... Moto G 5th gen, Blu Pure XR, ZTE Axon 7 Mini, or ???
My requirements are simple, or so I think...
1) 4+ hours SOT, preferably 5+, in mixed signal environment of WiFi/LTE/3G and sometimes without the best signal strength (for reference, I currently get about 2.5 hours on MXPE)
2) 5.2"-5.7" screen with 1080p minimum resolution
3) Stock Android, "near" stock, or simple UI (no TouchWiz, EMUI, ZenUI, or other bloated UI) that allows easy use of replacement launcher
4) 64GB internal storage or 32GB internal+microSD
5) 3GB or more of RAM
6) Full AT&T network compatibility (GSM 850/1900 and LTE Band 2/4/5/12/17 and optionally 29/30)
7) Nougat or Marshmallow with a Nougat upgrade "guaranteed"
8) 3.5mm headphone jack
9) Dual band WiFi - 2.4 & 5Ghz
10) $300USD or less
Would be nice, but not essential...
1) Unlockable bootloader (implies root/custom recovery/ROM development community)
2) Front facing speakers
3) NFC
4) USB 3.0
Absolute no no's are Samsung, Asus, or Huawei/Honor devices.
What else fits these requirements that I am not considering?
I believe the one phone that comes to mind that would fit most of your requirements is the Axon. I took a break from the MXPE (when it flew off my roof and died a horrible death in a rain storm) and had the Axon 7 (normal size) for about a month. You will get NEAR 4 hours of SoT, a qhd screen, 5.5 inches, relatively light for metal body. Unlockable bootloader and decent dev for it, last I checked. Things that bothered me/ pissed me off were that DTTW was laggy and slow, the actual cell service seemed to be really bad, possibly because of the full metal body phone, and the biggest annoyance - no backlit capacitive buttons, so you were left sort of blind in the dark trying to hit buttons. There is also no way through the build.prop to enable the on-screen buttons to bypass the issue at night, last I checked.
LG V20 could be an option too since it has a bootloader unlock now, 3.5-4.5 hours of SoT. I think it has a bottom bezel speaker though, which is a little weird, and as always the LG software has complaints. The dev is good enough to get around that though.
I'm in the same boat as you though. I've been looking pretty hard to find a new phone and the V20 is the only one I am really considering right now.
Get the OnePlus 3T it meets all your needs I get easily 6 to 7 HR sot
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Get the OnePlus 3T it meets all your needs I get easily 6 to 7 HR sot
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Would love to... tell me where I can get a new OP3T for under $300... That one is a hard stop requirement.
@xgerryx Same for LG V20 and Axon 7 (which never goes on sale, although the Mini does often), the $300 price point is a big deal
This phone has been a little disappointing. It's good, but definitely not great. It's a night and day difference from the Galaxy S3 I was using, but I wish I had held out a little longer for the SD 820 phones instead of buying in 2015.
It sounds like you've already got a pretty inclusive list for phones that are sold in the US and meet your requirements.
I just checked swappa, and if you're willing to go used, the OnePlus 3 is starting to get down towards the price point you're looking for. It has the same size battery as the MXP, and between the more efficient SoC than this godawful 808/810 generation and an FHD AMOLED I'd think you should get better screen on time out of it. It's a OnePlus so it has loads of good development, so you'll have all kinds of kernel/rom/tweaking available to really squeeze every erg out of it.
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This phone has been a little disappointing. It's good, but definitely not great. It's a night and day difference from the Galaxy S3 I was using, but I wish I had held out a little longer for the SD 820 phones instead of buying in 2015.
It sounds like you've already got a pretty inclusive list for phones that are sold in the US and meet your requirements.
I just checked swappa, and if you're willing to go used, the OnePlus 3 is starting to get down towards the price point you're looking for. It has the same size battery as the MXP, and between the more efficient SoC than this godawful 808/810 generation and an FHD AMOLED I'd think you should get better screen on time out of it. It's a OnePlus so it has loads of good development, so you'll have all kinds of kernel/rom/tweaking available to really squeeze every erg out of it.
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That actually could be an option... I will investigate further.
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Would love to... tell me where I can get a new OP3T for under $300... That one is a hard stop requirement.
@xgerryx Same for LG V20 and Axon 7 (which never goes on sale, although the Mini does often), the $300 price point is a big deal
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If you happen to be SUPER interested in the V20, I have seen some go for like 310-320 on Swappa in good to mint condition. You gotta hound the seller though and keep track of it all damn day for when the price drops. Not an awesome experience but I'm waiting for the same thing myself.
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If you happen to be SUPER interested in the V20, I have seen some go for like 310-320 on Swappa in good to mint condition. You gotta hound the seller though and keep track of it all damn day for when the price drops. Not an awesome experience but I'm waiting for the same thing myself.
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I'm not really interested... TBH, my experience with non-Nexus LG Android devices has been... well... lets just say less then wonderful.
Although I would have to say that the LG enV from years ago probably ranks up there as my favorite phone of all time, back when you could actually get DAYS of usage out of a cell phone on a single charge. I remember I would charge it twice a week. lol
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I'm not really interested... TBH, my experience with non-Nexus LG Android devices has been... well... lets just say less then wonderful.
Although I would have to say that the LG enV from years ago probably ranks up there as my favorite phone of all time, back when you could actually get DAYS of usage out of a cell phone on a single charge. I remember I would charge it twice a week. lol
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Yea I agree. After my terrible experience with the buggy LG G4, I'm very skeptical about going back again. At the same time I am running out of companies to try out! Haha. Gotta circle back eventually, especially on Verizon.
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Yea I agree. After my terrible experience with the buggy LG G4, I'm very skeptical about going back again. At the same time I am running out of companies to try out! Haha. Gotta circle back eventually, especially on Verizon.
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NEVER AGAIN!!! I refuse to drop $140 plus taxes and fees (realistically $160) for the service level I get now for $72 per month. Plus the limitations on devices, I would have to buy at least one new phone and/or go under contract. Nope, not happening. (Can you tell I have a grudge against Verizon, lol)
I would look around swappa for a OnePlus 3 or 3t it's worth it no bugs lag free and monthly updates it's already on nougat 7.1.1 and the beta builds they offer are great as well and development is great lots of greats ROMs and kernels and unlocking bootloader will not void warranty
TBH...I think you will have a hard time meeting all of your requirements right now. The market looks pretty dismal which is very unfortunate. I personally will hold out a little longer. I'm really looking hard at what Nokia/HMD are coming up with and hoping their roadmap for US devices includes a mid range device soon. So far their line up seems decent and if they are true to their word about expedient updates for Android, and they will sell devices with unlockable bootloaders at decent prices, I'll be sold.
moving to a galaxy s8 plus, comes tomorrow
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moving to a galaxy s8 plus, comes tomorrow
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Like @acejavelin stated, Samsung is not an option, and I agree with him. Yes they have great hardware for the most part, but a less powerful processor running vanilla, our near vanilla Android will run just as well considering the lack of heavy handed UX. I will admit the phone looks great hardware and looks wise, but I personally don't like the look and feel of Samsung TW.
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moving to a galaxy s8 plus, comes tomorrow
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Sammie's are to bloated... Every Samsung devices we have ever had has been problematic... Hope you enjoy yours though but I would never spend that kind of money on a phone.
I have a moto g5 plus as well, its pretty good. It's fast and smooth. Screen and camera are good too, but obviously not as good as the X style.
Yes mxpe battery sucks. I have to charge 2-3 times a day and am not even a heavy user. I know its more than your actual budget but better wait, save a bit more and probably the price will drop also and go for a OP 3T.
i know your problem man.. but why don't you wait for a nougat update?? why not? maybe they might fix up the battery drain issue!
there are barely very less phones which have dual front facing speakers.. market has got very saturated.. all look for flagship but they just don't think that having a good speakers is also a part of flagship project!
as per my personal opinion... this phone is just the best phone ive ever used (till 2015) but in upcoming era you will see more and more features
i will recommend you to wait and not hurry up to get a phone...
if you need a pure stock surely get nexus but just wait for new nexus phone.. maybe they might consider it as a flagship and the value might be cheap??
anyways if you're just asking for all the requirements my opinion (AXON 7) not just only for dual front facing speakers but also for the processor(sd 820),storage(64gb,6gb ram) expandable ovbio (256gb)
plot twist: has hybrid sim XD
but im legit that it'll be upgraded to android 'O'
but it cost around $350
think man.. public reviews are also good
it meets all the requirements but is as costly as mxpe
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i know your problem man.. but why don't you wait for a nougat update?? why not? maybe they might fix up the battery drain issue!
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Nougat can't "fix" our battery issue... Radio and display panel are hardware issues and that's where 75% of all battery drain is. It isn't even issues, it's just how much power they use normally. The SD808's radios are terribly inefficient, and the display panel uses more power than some small towns. If you think Nougat is going to noticably improve active use time, your kidding yourself.
To be honest, I might just pull my old Nexus 5 out if the drawer and switch to it... The battery life can't be much worse.
The sound aspect is less important. FF speakers are nice, but as long as I can hear a YouTube video in an average room and turn the ringer up enough u don't care.
I bought the MXPE as an upgrade to my G 2015 and it was on sale for under $250, and for the most part it is, I just didn't realize how bad the battery was, it is easily half of my G.
I got Axon 7 after X and can't be happier. I've had the A7 since August. Has the front speakers i wanted, nice beautiful Samsung screen. Battery is definitely better then X. Software was buggy at the beginning but they have improved it a lot. Axon 7 has been getting a lot of updates, doesn't mean it'll continue, we were the 1st ones to receive 7.0 with the exception of Google devices, and we are the only ones so far (afaik) to receive 7.1.1 with also the exception of Google devices.
It has its flaws but i love the phone. For the money you can't beat it. It's on sale now on newegg for $330.
I have a Droid Turbo 2 with Android 7. It is slowing down greatly with lags the last few months. I'm wondering if the Z4 is worth it. The processor is less than what I have and mine has the Moto Shattershield like on the Force models. Looks like Moto did some cost cutting and isn't offering the Force anymore. Anyway, thoughts or opinions? I need to replace the phone, but, don't want to make a mistake if the specs aren't up to snuff with today's standards. I usually keep a phone 3 - 4 years, so, getting it right is a priority.
I say it's worth the upgrade.
I have older model (Z3 Play with 636)
Performance is on par with LG V20 (820) but battery holds up better.
You won't go wrong with Z4 (670)
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I have a Droid Turbo 2 with Android 7. It is slowing down greatly with lags the last few months. I'm wondering if the Z4 is worth it. The processor is less than what I have and mine has the Moto Shattershield like on the Force models. Looks like Moto did some cost cutting and isn't offering the Force anymore. Anyway, thoughts or opinions? I need to replace the phone, but, don't want to make a mistake if the specs aren't up to snuff with today's standards. I usually keep a phone 3 - 4 years, so, getting it right is a priority.
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I would definitely upgrade. If you think you like the turbo 2 you're gonna love this phone. Not only if the performance on par, but the battery life alone is worth it. And seriously, the camera's lol
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I say it's worth the upgrade.
I have older model (Z3 Play with 636)
Performance is on par with LG V20 (820) but battery holds up better.
You won't go wrong with Z4 (670)
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That's funny, I downgraded from the Galaxy S9 to the LG V30, I loved the v30!
Happy to have the z4, its way faster to me! (Except compared to the s9)
You'll love it. I was on a z³ play until I DROPPED IT and RUINED it after a month. Now I'm back on my turbo 2 and it's killing me. Get the phone, don't wait any longer.