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There are a couple big issues facing the gtablet currently. One is the apparent end of life for the gtablet and Viewsonic all but ignoring its users. The other is nvidia blatantly leaving harmony behind as a platform and not providing even the basics needed for the open source community to fill the gaping hole in their support. In light of ViewSonic responding maybe lay off of them a bit and let's focus on nvidia
(replace (at) with the actual at symbol... forum wouldn't let me use them in this post).
viewsonic fail:
Support seems to have disappeared for the gtablet. (at)ViewSonic seems to have abandoned its customers. #ViewSonicFail #gtabletFail
nvidia fail:
Tegra2 isnt all its cracked up to be when (at)nvidia states no support for harmony platform no Android 2.3/3.0 ever #Tegra2Fail #nvidiaFail
Tweet away... you don't have to use those specific messages but something using those tags would maybe get us some traction.

Done and Done.

I would also encourage people to sign up at Nvidia and ask for an official explanation why Harmony is being given end-of-life treatment:
http://developer.nvidia.com/tegra/forum/honeycomb-harmony
it only takes a few minutes to sign up.
Without the drivers for harmony devices the Gtablet will basically be frozen in time at 2.2 (unless you don't need any hardware acceleration)
This is a pretty big issue and something they NEED to at least address WHY they feel that Harmony isn't worth their time supporting.

pr0cs said:
http://developer.nvidia.com/tegra/fo...eycomb-harmony
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Fixing your link
http://developer.nvidia.com/tegra/forum/honeycomb-harmony

Trying to post in their forum is like an act of congress.

Done, done and done.
MC

Adding my voice, as well.

pr0cs said:
I would also encourage people to sign up at Nvidia and ask for an official explanation why Harmony is being given end-of-life treatment:
http://developer.nvidia.com/tegra/forum/honeycomb-harmony
it only takes a few minutes to sign up.
Without the drivers for harmony devices the Gtablet will basically be frozen in time at 2.2 (unless you don't need any hardware acceleration)
This is a pretty big issue and something they NEED to at least address WHY they feel that Harmony isn't worth their time supporting.
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Done.
Let's try to get that thread as long as the Viewsonic one on this board.

Posted. This community should be heard!

Posted this and another link on their Facebook page. 5 minutes later it was gone.

OP - Maybe you could include the link to the Nvidia thread in your post?
http://developer.nvidia.com/tegra/forum/honeycomb-harmony

I also signed up and showed my support.
My point being - Is what we have really a "Tegra 2"? Then why not support it OR at least give the dev community some help.

Just on twitter
@ViewSonic is standing by the GTablet and is not abandoning our customers. Yes, we are selling new tablet products, but the GTablet is still an awesome piece of hardware that users can continue to enjoy for a long time to come. Please see our updated favorites page: http://bit.ly/eJB4Ob
@8:49 pm EST

clankfu said:
OP - Maybe you could include the link to the Nvidia thread in your post?
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I will update it and add the link once I get enough posts under my belt to be allowed to post links. That's the problem of being a non-posting member since 2009... now that I've started making posts I haven't posted enough to be trusted yet.

I've submitted to reddit.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/go017/nvidia_drops_support_for_tegra2_platform_harmony/
Vote up and make your comments!

Nvidia have updated the tegra developers post:
UPDATE 12 APRIL 2011:
Sorry folks looks like I caused a bit of confusion. Since this is a developer forum my comments
were targeted at Tegra Honeycomb developers and for this we’d like to focus on Ventana. For shipping or production products, customers should contact the device makers directly for OS support plans. They are responsible for the OS shipping on their device.
In relation to our linux kernel git repository, NVIDIA will continue to provide full open-source support for all of our kernel components and will push more of that upstream over time.
Andrew Edelsten
Tegra Developer Relations
NVIDIA Corporation
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Passing the buck I guess. But NotionInk is saying that the Adam will still get honeycomb. Still no word from Viewsonic that I can find

StrangeAttractor said:
Nvidia have updated the tegra developers post:
Passing the buck I guess. But NotionInk is saying that the Adam will still get honeycomb. Still no word from Viewsonic that I can find
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what does all the mean though? will we or will we not get drivers compatable with gingerbread and/or honeycomb?

StrangeAttractor said:
Nvidia have updated the tegra developers post:
Passing the buck I guess. But NotionInk is saying that the Adam will still get honeycomb. Still no word from Viewsonic that I can find
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If the Adam is getting honeycomb then I want it too!! Come on ViewSonic!!

Harmony tablets unite for a macro bounty!

Hello there,
I am a user of another Harmony tablet, the Advent Vega. As I suspected, ViewSonic has adopted the same stance as other Harmony tablet sellers: simce nVidia has no longer the initiative of providing new drivers, all development for our purchased tabs comes to a halt. The small vendors (Advent, POV, ViewSonic) have no own means of providing further ROMs and support, while the bigger brands (Toshiba) which could actually do something of the sort, are already bringing new tablets to the market and forsaking the old models.
Nevertheless, I know, as you all do, that the Harmony tablets CAN run Honeycomb. They have good enough specs to run it, and the main reason why they don't do it now is because of absurd market cycles.
Therefore, my idea is to have all Harmony chipset users unite for a big bounty seeking a team of developers who can create drivers for nvidia Harmony devices on Honeycomb. As it is a cross-device matter, we could even call attention to this iasue and publish this bounty on the XDA homepage. We know already that no commercial house will bring about any new ROM with said drivers. And I think I'm not alone if I say that I don't want my device to be forsaken after just 7 months in the market.
I think we need something like this if we don't want our tabs to turn into obsolete junk, which is what the big companies would like to make us think they are. The XDA community has injected a new breath of life into many devices long forgotten by their makers. I hope this macro-bounty idea can do the same for ours.
What are your thoughts on this?

Viewsonic Taking Jab At HP

I can't believe that ViewSonic took the time to release a very hypocritical statement about how HP "failed" with their webOS and that they (VS) were "dedicated" to their tablets and other products.
http://www.viewsonic.com/company/news/vs_press_release_526560.htm
I want to know what dictionary they got their warped, backwards definition of "dedication" from.
From the article...
"ViewSonic was among the first manufacturers to introduce a tablet solution back in Q4 2010," said Jeff Volpe, president of ViewSonic Americas. "Since that time, we have rolled out more tablet offerings than any other provider, focusing on particular market demands."
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Hmmm, wonder what tablet that was they introduced in Q4 2010? Oh yeah, the one they haven't wanted to support since 3 months after release. Sounds like their experiment failed more than HP's - at least HP was 100% behind their tablet.

Wow, that's rather brazen of them to reference this tablet and dedication in the same breath.

The press release also reads like it was written by a semi-literate intern. Perhaps their company would be doing better if they hired people who could actually read and write?
Tasteless, tactless, inept twits.
I bought the g tablet for the hardware. Viewsonic was an incidental middle man - I immediately flashed one of the community roms after purchasing (before my first full charge, even) and I haven't looked back since. I'll bet that more than 80% of all g tablet users aren't on the stock rom, and couldn't care less about Viewsonic once the warranty expires.
Where, exactly does "dedication" come into it?

All I can say is...
Pot, meet kettle.

JRowe47 said:
The press release also reads like it was written by a semi-literate intern. Perhaps their company would be doing better if they hired people who could actually read and write?
Tasteless, tactless, inept twits.
I bought the g tablet for the hardware. Viewsonic was an incidental middle man - I immediately flashed one of the community roms after purchasing (before my first full charge, even) and I haven't looked back since. I'll bet that more than 80% of all g tablet users aren't on the stock rom, and couldn't care less about Viewsonic once the warranty expires.
Where, exactly does "dedication" come into it?
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Because we want honeycomb or even gingerbread drivers? They aren't pressuring nvidia enough.
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It seems to me like all the pressure has come from the community devs, and Viewsonic is only ever motivated by complaints, instead of having a go-get-em, let's deliver the best product we can! attitude. I could be wrong, but tbh I am rather underwhelmed by Viewsonic.

To be fair the letter is titled with "Windows Tablet Solutions". And there was something about a Microsoft partnership... Perhaps that is why the Gtab is a red-headed, forgotten step-child.
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WOW.
I actually just posted in another thread about the Touchpad, as was comparing the current issues with our own GTAB issues - there are a lot of similarities here. The dead OS, lack of support and future updates, lack of source code for Android 2.3 / 3.0, which will give developers obstacles as far as hardware acceleration and other specific hardware device drivers. The only difference being is that the GTAB does at least run Froyo, wheras the Touchpad cannot run any Android version (yet).
Viewsonic shouldn't even be bringing this up - if anything else, they are lot more similar to HP than they think they are. And at least HP has owned up that they have dropped the support of the product - I even heard that users who purchased the device in the last 60 days (which is all of them) will be getting partial refunds - Viewsonic, you hearing this? At least HP is doing the right thing for their customer base.
EDIT: Just tweak their own words a bit, from their news release. Notice the similarities --
“Viewsonic's move to launch a tablet with an untested and unsupported (from Google) tablet OS appears to have presented a challenge in marketing their tablet solution. The Froyo TapnTap OS, unfamiliar to both consumers and enterprises, complicated the tablet sales process and thus deemed a failed experiment. "

VS has been ignoring all our inquiries. And yet here they are jumping at the first opportunity to take a jab at HP. This proves that they are watching and reading. They just choose not to respond to us.

This statement speaks volumes about Viewsonic. No one should have any doubt about how shady they are now.

Viewsonic's Tablet support is a joke. The fact that they took that jab at HP is completely rediculous. As mentioned before, at least HP did the right thing and has a channel open to their consumers. That's more than Viewsonic has done. And HP is offering to refund the difference between what consumers paid and the clearance price or give them a full refund. That makes me wish I had bought it instead of the GTab. That's something I'll take into consideration when making my next Tablet purchase.

[Q] Windows Phone 8 on WP7 devices?

I've looked, but i can't seem to find much on this. Does anyone know if Windows Phone 8 will be able to run on my 1st Gen Samsung Focus when it's released, or will it be too much for the older hardware to handle?

Its still too early to tell but it doesn't appear it will be updated officially
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=22592891
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windows 7..

It is way too early to tell.
Microsoft hasn't even announce Tango yet, let alone Apollo (Windows Phone 8).

I understood what I have is that if Tango will be available for first-generation devices and Apollo will not get to see it because multicore devices will run normal and the technology advances and we will remove our devices and buy a new one, asin is the technology

I remember reading somewhere that 1st Gen won't , but 2nd gen will. can't remember the source though. If I find it, I'll post a link.

drkfngthdragnlrd said:
I remember reading somewhere that 1st Gen won't , but 2nd gen will. can't remember the source though. If I find it, I'll post a link.
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Oh sure, even low-range Tango devices, which is apparently 2nd<->3rd gen devices, will get Apollo, and mid-range 1st gen devices dont? Its been said, all current WP's WILL GET Apollo, only with a few missing features due to hardware limitations. Its like those HTC devices, 1st gens don't have extra features like STK and Camera Mode, whereas 2nd gens have these nifty features.

Let me rub my crystal ball.... No answer
To the OP, you need to wait till there is More info, When they are starting beta testing, then I am sure by then everyone on XDA will know.
I'm starting to hate these posts. Like anyone here can tell the future...
I guess it could be worse, I could have a Android phone waiting for ICS from their carrier...

According to the following article the answer is NO for all (1st/2nd gen)
Sounds like current and upcoming Windows Phone 7.x devices won't receive an upgrade to Windows Phone 8 "Apollo."

All of you guys are just making assumptions and going off of rumors that some blogger has pulled out of their ass, lol. I personally feel it will be upgradable, especially considering Microsoft's history with being able to install an OS on significantly older hardware. Yes, we might be missing features, but, hello, the same thing happened on Mango. Afaik I don't have a gyroscope, so guess what, my phone doesn't utilize it. And that's my assumption on what's going to happen with Apollo. All devices will get it, it'll just have the tango-effect in the marketplace and with features.

I am not sure how many IT techs are aware of the new MS approach, but let me tell you this, as from Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Sinofsky
Sinofsky's philosophy on Windows 7 was to not make any promises about the product or even discuss anything about the product until Microsoft was sure that it felt like a quality product. This was a radical departure from Microsoft's typical way of handling in-development versions of Windows, which was to publicly share all plans and details about it early in development cycle. Sinofsky also refrained from labeling versions of Windows "major" or "minor", and to instead just call them releases.
This is what they do with all MS products right now.

EgoMaximus said:
I am not sure how many IT techs are aware of the new MS approach, but let me tell you this, as from Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Sinofsky
Sinofsky's philosophy on Windows 7 was to not make any promises about the product or even discuss anything about the product until Microsoft was sure that it felt like a quality product. This was a radical departure from Microsoft's typical way of handling in-development versions of Windows, which was to publicly share all plans and details about it early in development cycle. Sinofsky also refrained from labeling versions of Windows "major" or "minor", and to instead just call them releases.
This is what they do with all MS products right now.
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From talks with a few Microsoft employees, I can tell you that are hard feelings in Redmond about Mango.
Apparently, Mango was announced way too early. As a result, competitors were able to copy features and Windows Phone Mango weren't impressive compare to the competitors.
In addition, Microsoft is furious about Pocketnow's Apollo leak. In fact, furious is an understatement.

illegaloperation said:
From talks with a few Microsoft employees, I can tell you that are hard feelings in Redmond about Mango.
Apparently, Mango was announced way too early. As a result, competitors were able to copy features and Windows Phone Mango weren't impressive compare to the competitors.
In addition, Microsoft is furious about Pocketnow's Apollo leak. In fact, furious is an understatement.
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Why was it shown to so many Nokia employees anyway? I understand if it was CEO only and few execs but now?
Are they trying to do something about it?

If not, I hope someone can release a port to single core phones

illegaloperation said:
From talks with a few Microsoft employees, I can tell you that are hard feelings in Redmond about Mango.
Apparently, Mango was announced way too early. As a result, competitors were able to copy features and Windows Phone Mango weren't impressive compare to the competitors.
In addition, Microsoft is furious about Pocketnow's Apollo leak. In fact, furious is an understatement.
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I'm not sure what their competitors apparently copied? Mango brought the wp platform to 2009 standards.

sure haven't said:
I'm not sure what their competitors apparently copied? Mango brought the wp platform to 2009 standards.
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http://www.winrumors.com/microsoft-flattered-with-apples-ios-5-windows-phone-features/

I was originally told that ALL WP devices will get at least 2 major revision updates in their life cycle. Read that carefully. 2 Major revision -- Mango is a major revision. Tango is a minor update. So I'd assume Apollo will be the next major one. So ALL phones currently in the market will get Apollo.
Which is a big issue for OEMs since OEMs would rather sell you a new phone (see Android). WP also does not need multicore devices to function well anyways... so... I think we'll see Apollo on all of our devices.

seraph1024 said:
I was originally told that ALL WP devices will get at least 2 major revision updates in their life cycle. Read that carefully. 2 Major revision -- Mango is a major revision. Tango is a minor update. So I'd assume Apollo will be the next major one. So ALL phones currently in the market will get Apollo.
Which is a big issue for OEMs since OEMs would rather sell you a new phone (see Android). WP also does not need multicore devices to function well anyways... so... I think we'll see Apollo on all of our devices.
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We were also once told that wireless carriers wouldn't be able to permanently hold back multiple updates; yet, AT&T continues to delay (or block, as they won't confirm either) 7740 and 8107 for all of their devices. I wouldn't believe anything you hear today, regardless of the source. When summer or fall comes around and Apollo is in the near future, I'd say that's when we'll begin to find out what their plans are. Though with wireless carriers taking more control of the update ecosystem (through the increasing lack of update transparency this year) I wouldn't be surprised if there is no official announcement from Microsoft at all. If Microsoft makes an Apollo build available for older generation devices I'd expect most carriers to sit on it for months, that is, if they ever release it.

Who knows, MSFT will be surprising us all in a good way. I hope they know what we talk about in forums coz they READ what we write...I bet you there's a MSFT guy here among us and reading our posts....and I'm telling that guy right now that, MSFT will be DAMNED to not upgrade 1st gen phones....NO DOUBT!!!

Kenzibit said:
Who knows, MSFT will be surprising us all in a good way. I hope they know what we talk about in forums coz they READ what we write...I bet you there's a MSFT guy here among us and reading our posts....and I'm telling that guy right now that, MSFT will be DAMNED to not upgrade 1st gen phones....NO DOUBT!!!
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LOL, people already whine about no WP8 update, yet they have no idea what it will bring to the table, all they want is a number. All I care about is bit locker encryption and quad core CPU, there is no way WP8 update will add this on my device.
- I want WP8 update
- Why?
- Cause it says 8
- I want Apple, Apple is the best
- Why?
- Cause it's Apple
Well, hopefully, MS will release a registry patch, which changes version number from 7 to 8, so everyone is happy.

QSAlpha Quasar IV - The most powerful and secure android phone in Indiegogo!

Mod Edit:This one slipped through the cracks, but xda doesn't allow fundraising. Thread closed!

I only came across the Quasar IV today after reading engadget and I must say that it has piqued my interest. However after reading about it in indiegogo more carefully, isn't the security system, only beneficial within its closed ecosystem and if one were to use the normal commercially available services (gmail, gdrive, etc.) that they won't benefit from the security features of this the Quasar IV?
The security feature aside, the only other benefit of this phone for me is the 128GB. However since it's only to be released April '14 (and if Indiegogo is anything like Kickstarter, Oct '14 would probably be a more realistic date), most of the other major players in the market (Samsung, HTC, LG, Motorola, etc.) would probably announce and release their "large" storage phones.

Take another look to the news.
AnakChan said:
I only came across the Quasar IV today after reading engadget and I must say that it has piqued my interest. However after reading about it in indiegogo more carefully, isn't the security system, only beneficial within its closed ecosystem and if one were to use the normal commercially available services (gmail, gdrive, etc.) that they won't benefit from the security features of this the Quasar IV?
The security feature aside, the only other benefit of this phone for me is the 128GB. However since it's only to be released April '14 (and if Indiegogo is anything like Kickstarter, Oct '14 would probably be a more realistic date), most of the other major players in the market (Samsung, HTC, LG, Motorola, etc.) would probably announce and release their "large" storage phones.
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You're right, the special security brougth by QUATRIX will be only available when the information is sent from a QUATRIX-enabled devide to another, but mind that sending encrypted messages to anyone that doesn't have the key to decode them is completely nonsense. I urge you to take a look to the news I've posted on the top of the page, because they mean that It will be possible turning a normal phone into a QUATRIX one just by adding a micro SD. Isn't it great?
I have to add that the production of the phone has already begun so the release date becomes stronger.
Thanks for your comment.

What a powerful phone! I like it! But I think the most way for keep the secrets safe it's not to put it on our phones! LOL
As Anonymous said "There Is No Full Security, We Can Catch You !" :S

I have payed for the 64 GB because even without the encryption those are awesome specs and I want to get this

MaluNoPeleke said:
I have payed for the 64 GB because even without the encryption those are awesome specs and I want to get this
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How much did you pay it?

495$

MaluNoPeleke said:
495$
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It sounds like didn't succeed in reaching their goal in Indiegogo and everyone is getting a refund. However QSAlpha is still going to proceed with pre-orders directly from their website instead. I guess they got funding somehow though some joint venture.
However for those who did get in early in Indiegogo for the $495 pack will have to start again with QSAlpha's pre-order...at a the $595 price instead.

And here's more info on the crypto system it uses and the downsides too

Any other buyer? I found this mobile and I m not sure about this. Im between this and Xiaomi
By the way : Hi. This is my first message but Im following this fantastic forum from ages. I just wanted to know if any one is getting this mobile to know about future support
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Seems like a long wait for a device. I would go with currently available models with similar specs. Nexus 5 for example.

Actually I dont need a phone right now. I could wait for months but I really dont know if its worth
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I moved away from the iPhone 2 weeks ago and was looking at Android alternatives and came across the QSAlpha after an engadget or gizmodo article. I almost pledged in Indiegogo (before the project was pulled due to lack of funding) but to me the issue was that you have to be in their ecosystem to enjoy the security features and I don't have enough persuasion power to convince all my friends to move to this ecosystem. So it boils back down to a regular phone.
2.3GHz & 3GB RAM are available now. So the only thing this phone has going for it is the 128GB. But as many of you have noted the delivery time is sometime mid next year. By then I'd dare speculate the rest of the major Android phone makers would have 128GB offerings too.
Also I think one could forget about trying to root their Android flavour.

I am very interested on this phone. Wonder though if it'd ever be open sourced? Also, is the encryption to the GSM/HSPA hardware level or is it all over the traditional data channel?

whats a performance phone.
i can buy this
better then samsung phone

Just to catch up anyone who might have been coming to this thread years later, the "QSAlpha" folks were apparently the same people that ran the later "Turing" phone company scam. (Mobile devices with multiple "Snapdragon 830" CPUs? :laugh Effectively no retail devices ever shipped, in either case. Hope no one reading this ever wasted any money, time, or hope on these folks.