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http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm
good read as it seems many still maltreat their li-ion
acording to old ni-cam myths
Also, make sure you read http://wiki.xda-developers.com/inde... revolutionary, comparative, numeric results!
I've always said this simple statement about LiIon: Charge early and often.
Do you need to plug the phone in every time you get off a call? No. Do you need to worry about it dropping below 80%? No. Just charge as often as is convenient. Sitting at a desk for a hour working on something? Charge. Driving for more than 15m? Charge.
I think if you obsess too much you might wind up with USB connector problems from all the cycles on the connector itself, but intelligent use of the above statement should get you the most out of your battery.
EDIT: Drat, replied to the wrong topic.
khaytsus said:
I've always said this simple statement about LiIon: Charge early and often.
Do you need to plug the phone in every time you get off a call? No. Do you need to worry about it dropping below 80%? No. Just charge as often as is convenient. Sitting at a desk for a hour working on something? Charge. Driving for more than 15m? Charge.
I think if you obsess too much you might wind up with USB connector problems from all the cycles on the connector itself, but intelligent use of the above statement should get you the most out of your battery.
EDIT: Drat, replied to the wrong topic.
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that would kill the battery life fast, yea u wont run out of battery soon but keep it up and ur battery is gonna die on u after talking for 1hr
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that would kill the battery life fast, yea u wont run out of battery soon but keep it up and ur battery is gonna die on u after talking for 1hr
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er.......what?
i believe that you have to charge your battery all the way full then use all the power until it dies then you can charge it back again
but not sure
kevinutz said:
i believe that you have to charge your battery all the way full then use all the power until it dies then you can charge it back again
but not sure
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This is the exact opposite of what this article says.
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conditioning the battery the first time you get a new phone also helps, alot of us just charge for a while them use it. all my phones i let them charge for a full 24 hours right after i get them
My battery only last 6 hours
Ugh, why don't people read the article BEFORE they comment?
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conditioning the battery the first time you get a new phone also helps, alot of us just charge for a while them use it. all my phones i let them charge for a full 24 hours right after i get them
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Ehh, doesn't the charger uncharge when the battery is full? Like a safety thing?
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Some articles say that one battery life cycle is used up everytime when a full charge is done. Other articles say that one battery life cycle is used each the battery is connected to the charger.
I have not seen one article that shows the truth with facts.
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i believe that you have to charge your battery all the way full then use all the power until it dies then you can charge it back again
but not sure
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No offence but I always found this to be stupid reasoning.
What if you leave home with a quarter full battery and you get caught in the middle of a natural disaster (earthquake as an extreme example) and need to keep in contact with rescuers after being stuck in a building for 2 days?
Personally, I always charge my phone/laptop whenever convenient.
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My battery only last 6 hours
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The only problem that your battery lasts only for 6 hours is due to too much charging...So when you will buy a new battery then make sure that only charge your battery when it will remain only 10%...And try to charge your battery with phone switched off..
Charge little and often, try to avoid deep discharge/charge cycles.
Back in the days of NiCd batteries there was the posibility of memory effect where if you didn't do a discharge/charge the battery wouldn't hold as much charge.
NiMH batteries do not suffer this, but discharge/charge cycles were required because when they started being used very few people had smart chargers so had to discharge to be able to time when to stop without overcharging, and also due to confused information pulled over from NiCds.
Top up charges are better for them too.
Lithium batteries also don't have memory effect, and are better off with top up charges.
Ask yourself this:
What would stress the battery more; running 1A through it for 10 minutes or 1 hour?
Also, as the battery discharges, its voltage drops so the current drain has to increase to compensate, discharging the battery even quicker (remember how capacity graphs drop off quickly?)
Say your phone needs 2W to run, with a 4v battery that's a drain of 500mA (P=VI)
When the battery has dropped to 3.5v then to produce 2W it takes approx 571mA.
batt problem
how to keep my batt good?
I've always just charged my phones overnight while I sleep. Never seen ill effects. If I don't make it home that night my phone still lasts through the next day.
It's not like that battery is irreplaceable. Go get a new one if your battery is nearing the end of it's life. By then you would have probably moved on to a new phone.
Rudegar said:
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm
good read as it seems many still maltreat their li-ion
acording to old ni-cam myths
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skimmed a few parts, but thanks for the read mate, learned tons.
as others allready mentioned, there are many different suggestions how to take care of the battery. I usualy reload the baterry only if the capacity is <= 5%, without unpluging it before it reaches 100%.
thanks for the info!
Ok, so I've been experiencing this for the past few weeks now, and I'm getting sick of it. I plug up my phone to charge it overnight, or just to charge it when I know I will be in a place for a while. After a while, the phones battery will say 100%. But when I take the charger out, the battery isn't fully charged. It IMMEDIATELY jumps down to around 40% - 70%. I can get it fully charged after unplugging and replugging the charger in, sometimes numerous times of unplugging and replugging. Also, my battery has died on numerous occasions on between 10% - 15%. I calibrated my battery the first day I got it (as a replacement) and got decent juice from it, a noticeable improvement from the old battery. Am I the only one experiencing these issues? Is there a fix for it???
*NOTE* I'm on my 2nd battery (replacement) and this is also a replacement phone. Also running GummyCharged 1.8 GBE on EP1Q, RFS, w/Minimal Gummy theme, if that matters. Also, its not just my phone, my wifes Charge phone has the same setup and it does it also. So it may just be something wrong Gingerbreak. Never did it on FroYo. Gonna Odin back to FroYo and report back.
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This is because you cannot leave the phone plugged in to charge for an extended period of time. Once the battery reaches 100%, it stops charging. It will start charging again later, after the percentage goes down to a certain set level. This is why you have the huge initial drop-off after taking it off the charger. If you want to leave the phone plugged in for an extended period of time, turn it off and plug it in to allow it to charge, then it won't discharge as quickly. Otherwise, this is normal behavior for all android phones, and trying to make it so that the phone stays at 100% full charge is bad for both the battery and phone.
I've been having some strange problems. My phone will die with between 4-8 percent battery left. I can turn it back on and once it drops another percent or two it will turn off again. I have calibrated it and my battery life is good but this is a strange issue. Upgrading to rc2 today.
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Ok, so I've been experiencing this for the past few weeks now, and I'm getting sick of it. I plug up my phone to charge it overnight, or just to charge it when I know I will be in a place for a while. After a while, the phones battery will say 100%. But when I take the charger out, the battery isn't fully charged. Its usually on around 40% - 70%. I can get it fully charged after unplugging and replugging the charger in. Also, my battery has died on numerous occasions on between 10% - 15%. I calibrated my battery the first day I got it (as a replacement) and got decent juice from it, a noticeable improvement from the old battery. Am I the only one experiencing these issues? Is there a fix for it???
*NOTE* I'm on my 2nd battery (replacement) and this is also a replacement phone. Also running GummyCharged 1.8 GBE on EP1Q, RFS, w/Minimal Gummy theme, if that matters.
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I have the exact same problem. It will just go from 50% to 100% in a second and then unplug and plug back in to make it work. i haven't been able to figure it out either. 2nd phone and 2nd battery as well with same issue. I guess it has to do with my habits somehow.
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This is because you cannot leave the phone plugged in to charge for an extended period of time. Once the battery reaches 100%, it stops charging. It will start charging again later, after the percentage goes down to a certain set level. This is why you have the huge initial drop-off after taking it off the charger. If you want to leave the phone plugged in for an extended period of time, turn it off and plug it in to allow it to charge, then it won't discharge as quickly. Otherwise, this is normal behavior for all android phones, and trying to make it so that the phone stays at 100% full charge is bad for both the battery and phone.
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I believe the use case he is suggesting is a little different than what you are describing. When the phone is plugged in at say 12%, it charges for a while and gets to say 63%. At that point it jumps to 100% immediately. The phone must then be unplugged from the charger and re-plugged in and then it will continue properly to 100%.
Hopefully that is a little clearer.
I mean, usually I turn it off to charge. And I have that No Moar Powah app installed. So I set it to reboot at 100%, it does and when I take the charger out, it immediately drops to between said percentages. almost like clockwork. Very annoying. I understand what u mean Imnuts, but my Vibrant, HD2, or others never experienced this issue. Also, my first Charge, would keep a charge if I left it on the charger once it hit 100%. Maybe an issue with the charger itself? A Verizon rep told me to bring in the charger itself if the issue persists.
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Almost exactly my issue. I'm not understandings what the problem is. I'm assuming u have that issue also???
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Hmm i have the opposite of that problem every time i unplug my phone from charging overnight the battery meter would always read 100% never below that.
Also does anyone know which battery meter i should follow for battery calibration? The battery meter in the status bar, the battery level in system settings/about phone/status, the battery percentage at the lock screen or the battery meter on the screen when the phones off? They're all giving me different readings for some odd reason.
Sometimes I get that too, but for the most part, its the false readings from the lockscreen, and the about phone settings. I may send off for a new phone, run stock for a few days to calibrate my battery then root on a full charge.
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imnuts said:
This is because you cannot leave the phone plugged in to charge for an extended period of time. Once the battery reaches 100%, it stops charging. It will start charging again later, after the percentage goes down to a certain set level. This is why you have the huge initial drop-off after taking it off the charger. If you want to leave the phone plugged in for an extended period of time, turn it off and plug it in to allow it to charge, then it won't discharge as quickly. Otherwise, this is normal behavior for all android phones, and trying to make it so that the phone stays at 100% full charge is bad for both the battery and phone.
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I see what you're saying, but on the other hand I charge my phone overnight with no problems. Never did this before, but I don't have time to sit around for 6 hours for it to charge
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Well I went back to FroYo GummyCharged v1.9 and lo and behold, the charging issues VANISHED. Charged my phone overnight last night and when I removed the charger, 100%. No drop immediately back down to 56% or some weird number. Maybe its a Gingerbreak leak issue. I've noticed that it only happens to my phone on Gingerbread. Also must mention, my wifes phone does it also. She's on Gingerbread. She complains that I broke her phone lol.
*EDIT* CONFIRMED. 2nd nite in a row, no issues charging.
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imnuts said:
This is because you cannot leave the phone plugged in to charge for an extended period of time. Once the battery reaches 100%, it stops charging. It will start charging again later, after the percentage goes down to a certain set level. This is why you have the huge initial drop-off after taking it off the charger. If you want to leave the phone plugged in for an extended period of time, turn it off and plug it in to allow it to charge, then it won't discharge as quickly. Otherwise, this is normal behavior for all android phones, and trying to make it so that the phone stays at 100% full charge is bad for both the battery and phone.
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Imnuts...ill have to disagree with you. This is the only android phone I've had this problem on, and I've had 6 different android phones. also, it only started happening for me when i went to Gingerbread. Going to flash back to Froyo and i will update.
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Same here with me. It only started when I went to Gingerbread. Also happened on my wifes phone, also on GB. I went back to FroYo 2 days ago, and boom, no more charging issues. I can leave it on all nite and not get the random percentage drops. I gotta calibrate my battery now.
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Flashed back to Froyo and charged overnight, unplugged an hour ago and now I'm sitting at 96%.
Gingerbread be buggin' yo.
scriz said:
Flashed back to Froyo and charged overnight, unplugged an hour ago and now I'm sitting at 96%.
Gingerbread be buggin' yo.
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So it was a Gingerbread bug (GingerBug???) right? My battery life seems way better also. 6+ hrs off the charger and I am sitting on 73%. Not bad for me.
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The mis-information in this thread regarding Li-ion batteries is getting out of hand.
I think many of us are thinking about ni-cad batteries in which all the "bad" things we are talking about in this thread apply.
for a Li-Ion Battery, there is no "memory" effect. this means you can charge it at any point during the discharge phase. You also do not need to allow the battery to drain fully and charge to full to "condition" the battery. Li-Ion batteries can be charged at any point up to any point (from 30% to 70%, then 50% to 90%) and it will not effect the batteries performance.
Li-Batteries also do not suffer from overcharging. The charging circuits in cell phones will charge the battery until it is full, and then trickle charge from then on. And because Li-ion batteries do not have memories, this type of charging will not effect performance.
Li-Ion batteries can only be charged a finite number of times. However, the number of times does not translate to the number of times you happen to plug it in. The batteries have a rated number of "charge cycles", this is when the power from the battery has been exhausted and then re-filled. If you always charge your battery at 50% - 100% then every 2 charges you are using 1 full charge cycle. The batteries in the charge are 1600mAh and have approx 500 charge cycles. if you discharged and charged your phone from 0 to 100% every day, your battery would last 500 days before it would start to suffer from poor performance.
the OP in this thread is having software related issues related to the phone mis-representing the correct charge level of the battery, and then stopping the charge cycle prematurely.
Remember, it is perfectly OK, and expected of you to charge your battery as many times as you need to. Keep the thing on the charger any chance you get, it is not going to hurt it, its designed to be used that way. This is why Li-Ion took over as the battery tech of choice compared to Ni-cad.
References:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery (not a definitive reference, just a starting point for people interested)
http://www.geek.com/smartphone-buyers-guide/battery/ (A Few good sentences in this about the topic
http://www.apple.com/batteries/ipods.html (Another good source, Ipod also uses li-ion batteries - as do almost all consumer electronics)
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msticlaru said:
The mis-information in this thread regarding Li-ion batteries is getting out of hand.
I think many of us are thinking about ni-cad batteries in which all the "bad" things we are talking about in this thread apply.
for a Li-Ion Battery, there is no "memory" effect. this means you can charge it at any point during the discharge phase. You also do not need to allow the battery to drain fully and charge to full to "condition" the battery. Li-Ion batteries can be charged at any point up to any point (from 30% to 70%, then 50% to 90%) and it will not effect the batteries performance.
Li-Batteries also do not suffer from overcharging. The charging circuits in cell phones will charge the battery until it is full, and then trickle charge from then on. And because Li-ion batteries do not have memories, this type of charging will not effect performance.
Li-Ion batteries can only be charged a finite number of times. However, the number of times does not translate to the number of times you happen to plug it in. The batteries have a rated number of "charge cycles", this is when the power from the battery has been exhausted and then re-filled. If you always charge your battery at 50% - 100% then every 2 charges you are using 1 full charge cycle. The batteries in the charge are 1600mAh and have approx 500 charge cycles. if you discharged and charged your phone from 0 to 100% every day, your battery would last 500 days before it would start to suffer from poor performance.
the OP in this thread is having software related issues related to the phone mis-representing the correct charge level of the battery, and then stopping the charge cycle prematurely.
Remember, it is perfectly OK, and expected of you to charge your battery as many times as you need to. Keep the thing on the charger any chance you get, it is not going to hurt it, its designed to be used that way. This is why Li-Ion took over as the battery tech of choice compared to Ni-cad.
References:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery (not a definitive reference, just a starting point for people interested)
http://www.geek.com/smartphone-buyers-guide/battery/ (A Few good sentences in this about the topic
http://www.apple.com/batteries/ipods.html (Another good source, Ipod also uses li-ion batteries - as do almost all consumer electronics)
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This coming from a person WHO KNOWS WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT is very beneficial to us. Knowing that there is no way to actually "condition" a Li-Ion battery means that us who are actually suffer from poor battery life either have defective units or defective batteries. I hear of this miraculous 2 day battery life, yet I struggle to get thru a full 7 or 8 hrs with moderate usage. And this is a replacement unit AND battery. None of my other phones had that issue of immediately droping percentages like that, so I figured it was a software issue, that's why I went back to FroYo to test it out. Seems I was right. Gingerbread has a software issue that keeps the battery on some phones from reaching a full charge. Also my phone would be boiling hot during the charging process. Since reverting back, I've had no issues. Thanks for the insight. Coning from a knowledgeable source, it means a lot. Thanks!!!
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Do i let the phone shut off from the battery reaching 0%, then charge it to 100% and be on my merry way?
I've read multiple theories, but I think u should take it down out of the box, then shut off and charge to full...I remember ASUS recommending that to a media outlet when the Transformer 300 came out a few weeks ago...so that is what I am going to do when I get mine.
Thats exactly what I did, I let mine completely die and then charged to 100%.
Be careful with how you charge the phone, rather with how low you let it get.
Depending on how technical you want to get about it purposefully letting a battery drop to absolute zero can cause some odd chemical reactions that while not immediately evident can some times shorten battery life.
I would recommend taking it out of the box and using it until it is low but not dead. Maybe 10 or so percent and then either turn it off and charge it or leave it on and charge it just do not pull the plug on the charger until it is at 100%.
Valdeck said:
Be careful with how you charge the phone, rather with how low you let it get.
Depending on how technical you want to get about it purposefully letting a battery drop to absolute zero can cause some odd chemical reactions that while not immediately evident can some times shorten battery life.
I would recommend taking it out of the box and using it until it is low but not dead. Maybe 10 or so percent and then either turn it off and charge it or leave it on and charge it just do not pull the plug on the charger until it is at 100%.
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This.
Full battery cycles are not good for long term life of Li ion batteries.
Also, its unlikely, but occasionally happens where discharging the battery to shutoff will render the battery unable to take a charge. The safety circuit on the battery is supposed to prevent this, but its not failsafe. I've seen more than a few reports on previous HTC devices where this happened. And since the battery on the One X is not easily replaced, the result can be disastrous.
The battery meters on phones are not very accurate in the best of circumstances. No need to drain to shutoff, 10 or 20% is fine. No value added to draining to shutoff, and the consequences can be very bad.
Drain to 10% or even 20%, charge to full, repeat 2-3 times. This is done just to calibrate the battery meter on the phone. Its a misconception that you can somehow increase battery life by "conditioning" the battery. But modern Li ion batteries do not suffer from memory effects, and conditioning only works for older tech NiCad batteries.
I do the same thing for all of my phones.
1. Activate and mess the heck out of it until it dies completely.
2. Charge it up to 100%
3. Mess the heck out of it again until it dies completely.
4. Charge it up to 100%
5. Mess the heck out of it again until it dies completely.
6. Charge it up to 100%
Then use it normally
Mine came dead! it didnt even turn on. so I'm charging it now
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Mine came dead! it didnt even turn on. so I'm charging it now
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That stinks. It must have been on in the box like that other xda member on here claimed
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Mine came with 1% battery so I just turned it back off and now I'm charging it up, i think the led will turn green when it's ready
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How do you tell if the phone is charged to 100% while off?
While on, my battery percentage doesn't seem to go past 99%. Is that correct or is this last 1% just taking a very long time?
Update: NVM last 1% just took forever. LED does turn green when fully charged.
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The LED will turn green once it's 100%.
Don't worry about letting the phone die and charging it up to 100%.
These batteries don't have a "memory" like older phones
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Mine came dead! it didnt even turn on. so I'm charging it now
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Mine came dead too. Charged it to 100% and now been using it and so far have 36% on 3h 9m on battery.
Screen at 84%
Does the battery life get better? Because it seems to be draining rather quick. Even though I have screen brightness less than half.
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Thats exactly what I did, I let mine completely die and then charged to 100%.
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I do the same thing for all of my phones.
1. Activate and mess the heck out of it until it dies completely.
2. Charge it up to 100%
3. Mess the heck out of it again until it dies completely.
4. Charge it up to 100%
5. Mess the heck out of it again until it dies completely.
6. Charge it up to 100%
Then use it normally
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Don't worry about letting the phone die and charging it up to 100%.
These batteries don't have a "memory" like older phones
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@Maroon Mushroom, Correct these lithium batteries dont have memory effect, but over discharging them will shorten its life.
I dont want to sound like an expert, but discharging the battery until it dies is not recommended. It will affect battery life/performance.
A couple of good references here: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/discharge_methods
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_charge_when_to_charge_table
Ya, we use Lithium Ion (Li-Ion) batteries now which dont have a memory. The older Lithium Polymer (Li-Pol) batteries did have a memory and needed a certain charge method to get the longes life cycle out of it.
Awesome, thanks everyone
I turned it off at 20% and wen't to go buy my MicroSIM (ugh...) cant wait to play with it tomorrow
Why would you buy it? Pretty sure they would give one to you for free
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bought it off Kijiji
It's offered by Rogers, but i'm on Telus
Hmm, i hate the idea of letting it die completely. But what i've always done is turned everything on and ran it through a low-powered usb source so it has a charge but the battery is still draining. So even if the battery runs dead it has power via USB plug [make sense?]. Usually having everything on [i do mean everything] and downloading a torrent so the internet is constantly under use. Then again i'm not sure how the One X will work out for this, but thats what i'm planning .
guys its lithium...u cant drain it to 0...even when android shuts down your at around 3.6volts. thats definetly not 0volts. no memory and android wont let you ruin your battery...so charge however whenever.
im qualified in lead acid. ni cad. nimh and lithium batteries. trust me..u cant hurt it unless you short it! !
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Hi everyone,
I've had my Sensation for about 14 months now and for the past month I've been having battery issues. Primarily, it's very quick to lose charge and will lose charge even while charging from the wall. First I bought a replacement battery but was still having the same issues. I've started using Better Battery Stats and Battery Monitor Widget but I don't have anything out of the ordinary running. In fact, not a lot is running at all. BMW has allowed me to see how the charging is going though which has been nice. During this period I have used Elegancia, Bruce's CM10, and am currently on ParanoidAndroid. All experienced the same issues.
Last night, for example, I put the phone on the charger at 16 percent. It charged up to 22 and then started the downward slide to death and I ended up waking up 35 minutes late.
Where do I go from here so I don't have to constantly be paranoid about my battery levels?
Sounds like you might need another battery. In better battery starts did you notice any unusual wake locks? This could drain a battery. But since it looses charge even when charging I'd think it was the battery. I personally was experiencing some battery issues myself finally I broke down and got a mugen 3800mah battery from mugen. It was expensive but really worth it for Me.with really heavy and constant use I get 20 hours out of my battery, with normal use I get two days. I'm also running paranoid Android rom. For me the big battery solved my issues. Only one draw back, it does make your phone thicker. New back included with battery. This didn't bother me much because of the excellent battery life I receive. Now I finally don't. Worry about battery. However it's expensive at about 95 dollars. But I was so fed up with poor battery life it was worth it for me. You have to be careful when buying inexpensive batteries because there are a lot of fakes going around. And the mah is not really what it says it is on the packages. You can test the battery and make sure it is what it's advertised to be. If you don't want to go with that large of a battery you can also try anker extended battery. It's a lot less expensive and is a good battery. I personally needed more juice so I went with the big battery. I know you said you replaced the battery but sometimes the bargain batteries go bad quickly. It makes me suspicious of the battery because it's even dropping while charging. This is strange. If you ruled out any apps or wake locks that might be draining the battery I would buy a good reliable battery. The draining while charging is a red flag. I'd say the battery is going bad. I don't at all regret my purchase of the big battery. It for me, solved my issues. I do Hope this helps and I wish you the best. Hopefully you will get your issue resolved soon.
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its either an issue with the battery or the battery reporting.
Only thing you can really try is to charge it up to 100%, wipe battery stats in recovery, then let it empty totally and charge it up again, see how its behaving. There is a chance that its the reporting that is off.
otherwise this looks like the battery is on its way out im afraid
realsis said:
Sounds like you might need another battery. In better battery starts did you notice any unusual wake locks? This could drain a battery. But since it looses charge even when charging I'd think it was the battery. I personally was experiencing some battery issues myself finally I broke down and got a mugen 3800mah battery from mugen. It was expensive but really worth it for Me.with really heavy and constant use I get 20 hours out of my battery, with normal use I get two days. I'm also running paranoid Android rom. For me the big battery solved my issues. Only one draw back, it does make your phone thicker. New back included with battery. This didn't bother me much because of the excellent battery life I receive. Now I finally don't. Worry about battery. However it's expensive at about 95 dollars. But I was so fed up with poor battery life it was worth it for me. You have to be careful when buying inexpensive batteries because there are a lot of fakes going around. And the mah is not really what it says it is on the packages. You can test the battery and make sure it is what it's advertised to be. If you don't want to go with that large of a battery you can also try anker extended battery. It's a lot less expensive and is a good battery. I personally needed more juice so I went with the big battery. I know you said you replaced the battery but sometimes the bargain batteries go bad quickly. It makes me suspicious of the battery because it's even dropping while charging. This is strange. If you ruled out any apps or wake locks that might be draining the battery I would buy a good reliable battery. The draining while charging is a red flag. I'd say the battery is going bad. I don't at all regret my purchase of the big battery. It for me, solved my issues. I do Hope this helps and I wish you the best. Hopefully you will get your issue resolved soon.
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Argh. I hope it's not the replacement battery too. I got a replacement HTC battery. The problem I'm having getting anything useful from Better Battery Stats is that rarely am I off the charger. In the settings it says I can log while charging but it may mess up the stats so I've shied away from doing that. I'm not against getting a bigger, better battery but I would hate to do that and have it actually be something else hardware-wise where I would need to get rid of my phone.
Hawke84 said:
its either an issue with the battery or the battery reporting.
Only thing you can really try is to charge it up to 100%, wipe battery stats in recovery, then let it empty totally and charge it up again, see how its behaving. There is a chance that its the reporting that is off.
otherwise this looks like the battery is on its way out im afraid
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I'll give this a try if I can get it back up to 100%. Is the reporting in Recovery always correct? The battery never has issues charging while it's in Recovery mode. If that's the case then I'll charge it to 100% in recovery and then wipe and start fresh.
Thanks
I don't think it's the battery. This phones have errors in battery readings. I feel your pain man. Mine is from T-Mobile (Sensation 4G) and it discharges if I use it even at lowest brightness when it's charging too.
If I reboot, I get the battery boost. I have tried EVERYTHING I read here and nothing worked. I even have 4 batteries. All of them in good condition.
I even tried three times discharging it fully and without turning it on, charge it in the night and when I wake up 7-8 hours later, it's still charging. I tried wiping stats, changing ROMs, changing the usb cable and the charger. Everything... I believe it's a hardware issue. (Thank HTC for that) I'm not buying another HTC when I have to upgrade.
KerberosKomondor said:
I'll give this a try if I can get it back up to 100%. Is the reporting in Recovery always correct? The battery never has issues charging while it's in Recovery mode. If that's the case then I'll charge it to 100% in recovery and then wipe and start fresh.
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Interesting...so if you were to charge the phone in recoery how long do you think it would take to get to 100%?
I would definitely do what you said, charge in recovery then wipe battery stats and go from there.
If you're interested in having something to compare to, it takes my phone about 3 hours to charge to 100% (by the way I'm using an Anker extended capacity battery), with a peak current usually around 800 - 900 mA. Fully charged I have somewhere around 4100 mV. If you haven't already, I'd suggest adding a Battery Monitor widget with mA, mV, and % available being displayed and it will be pretty easy to get an idea what's going on.
KCuadrado said:
I don't think it's the battery. This phones have errors in battery readings. I feel your pain man. Mine is from T-Mobile (Sensation 4G) and it discharges if I use it even at lowest brightness when it's charging too.
If I reboot, I get the battery boost. I have tried EVERYTHING I read here and nothing worked. I even have 4 batteries. All of them in good condition.
I even tried three times discharging it fully and without turning it on, charge it in the night and when I wake up 7-8 hours later, it's still charging. I tried wiping stats, changing ROMs, changing the usb cable and the charger. Everything... I believe it's a hardware issue. (Thank HTC for that) I'm not buying another HTC when I have to upgrade.
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I'm leaning towards hardware issue too. That's why I figured I'd post and see if there was anything else that I can try. It's also why I don't really want to buy an expensive battery since who knows what it'll fit next. I know what you mean about the reboot battery boost. You can almost gamble and bet on percentages when you reboot. I've seen 50% swings before.
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Interesting...so if you were to charge the phone in recoery how long do you think it would take to get to 100%?
I would definitely do what you said, charge in recovery then wipe battery stats and go from there.
If you're interested in having something to compare to, it takes my phone about 3 hours to charge to 100% (by the way I'm using an Anker extended capacity battery), with a peak current usually around 800 - 900 mA. Fully charged I have somewhere around 4100 mV. If you haven't already, I'd suggest adding a Battery Monitor widget with mA, mV, and % available being displayed and it will be pretty easy to get an idea what's going on.
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In recovery I would guess that it wont take very long to charge to full. I have battery monitor widget installed and while plugged into the wall with my 1.0A charger, it will typically pull 100-200mA but sometimes it'll spike to 700-900mA. No rhyme or reason. When idling and functioning properly, without a charger plugged in it drops 9-100mA. Sometimes though while charging it'll sit at negative 100-200mA.
HA! Just rebooted my phone and it went from 68% to 100%. So I rebooted into recovery, it also said full so I wiped stats.
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In recovery I would guess that it wont take very long to charge to full. I have battery monitor widget installed and while plugged into the wall with my 1.0A charger, it will typically pull 100-200mA but sometimes it'll spike to 700-900mA. No rhyme or reason. When idling and functioning properly, without a charger plugged in it drops 9-100mA. Sometimes though while charging it'll sit at negative 100-200mA.
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I normally get 2 to 3 mA drain with the phone sleeping. When charging you may not necessarily get close to the 1 A current delivery of the charger straight away, typically it will ramp up over time and reach peak charge current as it gets closer to 100%. Once at 100% it wants to just "trickle" charge to maintain 100% charge until the charger is disconnected, so any wakelocks etc. that cause a current drain during that "trickle" charging will actually decrease battery charge until the charger ramps up to compensate for the drain. Random spikes in charging current would suggest a hardware problem where the electronics are struggling to properly govern the charging process, as would a large negative current drain with the charger plugged in. Silly question but what's the actual plug connection to your phone like? Nice and solid, pins all OK?
HI everyone, for the second day I noticed that after I left my N5 to charge overnight it was fairly hot after I took it off the charger. I have been leaving it to charge overnight for months and normally its not even warm since it trickle chargers after hitting 100%. My Nexus was charging right next to it and it was cool when I took that off the charger. It did fully charge and I checked if the phone was maybe not sleeping the entire night but that wasn't the case either. I checked with Current Widget and it was showing that even at 100% it was still taking around 200 mAh power. Usually it shows very minimal charge at 100%. Has this happened to anyone? I know I've read this happening with wireless chargers where it the phone wouldn't even charge, but in this case the phone was charged and it was just using the stock charger.
It also seems like I'm getting the Android OS bug after taking it off the charger. I suppose this might the cause of the entire thing. I'm just worried that it happened two days in a row.
The phone continues charging passed 100%. First it will still show 450mA eventually dropping to 200mA or so as you saw. Eventually true 100% is reached and the battery starts draining 0-10mA while the AC provides the rest.
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The phone continues charging passed 100%. First it will still show 450mA eventually dropping to 200mA or so as you saw. Eventually true 100% is reached and the battery starts draining 0-10mA while the AC provides the rest.
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Thanks, that's what should happen. But it seemed the past two nights it never dropped to 0-10 mah. Which is why I think it was hot in the morning. I just charged it from about 70% to 100% and it did trickle charge this time, so hopefully the issue is solved now. Has this happened to anyone though?