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I am a die hard WM user - never used any other OS. Was awaiting WP7 for months!
It is a dumb blonde! Pretty, but useless.
1. Keyboard is good, but no option to longpress for numbers
2. Phone dialler - no option to dial name of contact on phone dialler
3. Can't search calendar for specific appointments
4. Office hub is useless - can't organize in folder, ending up with loooong list of documents.
5. Word mobile is hopeless for formatting compared to WM6.5
6. Adobe PDF documents - can't be organized in folders. Can't even rename files
7. No video calling
8. The stupidest thing: Can't transfer files from PC to phone. What the ^$%^$ !
I have to go to Dropbox every time!
Buy an android phone lol
6.5
Stay with a WM 6.5 device. I kept my FUZE but after some time with the Focus would NEVER use it or any other WM device again. I felt a lot like you do at first, but that quickly wore off the more I used WP7. If you already bought it and feel the way you do, sell it and get something else. I used to see a lot of rants like this months ago but see almost no posts like yours recently. I think you should have posted this months ago, you might have found some allies, but not today.
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Stay with a WM 6.5 device. I kept my FUZE but after some time with the Focus would NEVER use it or any other WM device again. I felt a lot like you do at first, but that quickly wore off the more I used WP7. If you already bought it and feel the way you do, sell it and get something else. I used to see a lot of rants like this months ago but see almost no posts like yours recently. I think you should have posted this months ago, you might have found some allies, but not today.
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Well said. I was going to say pretty much the same thing. I struggled going from WM to WP at first (I still miss swype dearly) but after a few days of WP7 I could never go back despite some shortcomings.
Goodbye 6.5
The things I thought I could not live without in WM6.5 have turned out to be silly. I don't know why I felt that way. Anyway, many apps I used on 6.5 are now available on WP7, and more coming daily. The news of the potential features in Mango take away many if not most of my concerns.
I think we need to remember that WP7 is very young still, iOS didn't have copy and paste also when it came out... Give it a year or so I'm sure WP7 will be up there.
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My grouse is that WM 6.5 had so many features that have been stripped down to the point that WP7 is inconvenient. Why strip down Office to a bare minimum? Why remove the smart dialler in the phone? Why remove the long press for numbers in the keyboard? Why no USB functionality? Moreover, there are inconsistencies within WP7 itself. Why no voice GPS? E.g., why no search option in calendar? Why no zune support for synching data files? Why no wifi tethering?
I am not comparing WP7 to other OS. I am comparing it with Microsoft's own previous product. 6.5 to 7 is meant to be an upgrade, but it is actually a downgrade.
Why deliver a stripped down product when the previous product (6.5) had all these? And now, they have to catch up with "updates" with all the attendant bad publicity, and poor sales.
They had 3 years to get it right. They had at least 8 months in the beta testing when people clamored for copy-paste.
Stupid clowns.
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My grouse is that WM 6.5 had so many features that have been stripped down to the point that WP7 is inconvenient.
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Agreed.
Why remove the smart dialer in the phone? Why remove the long press for numbers in the keyboard? Why no USB functionality?
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Agreed.
Why no Zune support for synching data files?
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Agreed.
Why no wifi tethering?
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That is a biggie, agreed. And let us not forget custom ring tones (sure you can sideload, but really MS screwed the pooch here).
I am not comparing WP7 to other OS. I am comparing it with Microsoft's own previous product. 6.5 to 7 is meant to be an upgrade, but it is actually a downgrade.
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In some important ways it is a downgrade, in other ways it is an upgrade. All in all WP7 may be better due to newer/faster hardware, yet the FAIL of lackluster Bluetooth integration, no rSAP, no custom ring tones, no way to sync files easily, no wireless tethering, etc, etc and yes etc is really a let down. MS always seem to go three steps forward and two steps back, then perhaps release ONE of the two 'lost' steps like it is a huge improvement and technology advancement. If MS does not get their act together and release what many consider normal features, the Android market will leave MS in the dust.
MS can do much better, so what is keeping them from reaching some simple goals every other major phone OS has been doing for many years (including MS' 6.x)? THAT is the real question.
I think the worst thing is the wifi sleep issue that no one can seem to find a fix for. I bought one a week ago and its been sitting in the box while I use my desire. I just can't use it properly without having the option to leave wifi on
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CdTDroiD said:
I think the worst thing is the wifi sleep issue that no one can seem to find a fix for. I bought one a week ago and its been sitting in the box while I use my desire. I just can't use it properly without having the option to leave wifi on
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I agree 100%. This issue and another big Wi-Fi issue are the bane of my existence on WP7. Anyone have trouble connecting to different Wi-Fi networks? This is by far the biggest nuisance I deal with. What I mean by this is, for example: I am at work all day connected to the office Wi-Fi. I come home and my Quantum refuses to connect to my home network. It tries to connect for about 15 seconds or so, then eventually gives up. The only way to get it behaving properly is to reboot the phone. Turning Wi-Fi off then back on, disassociating with all remembered networks, etc. all do nothing. Don't know if this is unique to me because there is just something specific about the networks I am connecting to that creates "The Perfect Storm" and throws the Wi-Fi off, or if this is a widespread problem. Either way, I can't wait until it is resolved.
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I agree 100%. This issue and another big Wi-Fi issue are the bane of my existence on WP7. Anyone have trouble connecting to different Wi-Fi networks? This is by far the biggest nuisance I deal with. What I mean by this is, for example: I am at work all day connected to the office Wi-Fi. I come home and my Quantum refuses to connect to my home network. It tries to connect for about 15 seconds or so, then eventually gives up. The only way to get it behaving properly is to reboot the phone. Turning Wi-Fi off then back on, disassociating with all remembered networks, etc. all do nothing. Don't know if this is unique to me because there is just something specific about the networks I am connecting to that creates "The Perfect Storm" and throws the Wi-Fi off, or if this is a widespread problem. Either way, I can't wait until it is resolved.
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I don't get this issue at all mate, i pretty much do the same - connect to a network at work, then go home, it automatically connects fine for me at either location. I also connect to Wifi networks at my parents and GF's mum's and it connects flawlessly to either one without any hassle.
Though i must admit, the ability to keep wireless on even when the phone goes to sleep is a must! It will however stay on if you plug the phone into its charger, though not always convenient.
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I agree 100%. This issue and another big Wi-Fi issue are the bane of my existence on WP7. Anyone have trouble connecting to different Wi-Fi networks? This is by far the biggest nuisance I deal with. What I mean by this is, for example: I am at work all day connected to the office Wi-Fi. I come home and my Quantum refuses to connect to my home network. It tries to connect for about 15 seconds or so, then eventually gives up. The only way to get it behaving properly is to reboot the phone. Turning Wi-Fi off then back on, disassociating with all remembered networks, etc. all do nothing. Don't know if this is unique to me because there is just something specific about the networks I am connecting to that creates "The Perfect Storm" and throws the Wi-Fi off, or if this is a widespread problem. Either way, I can't wait until it is resolved.
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I don't get this issue either except on my nook and I think my wireless router @ that location is the issue (pretty sure of it). The WPA only a select few ip addresses on certain mac addresses for some reason so if the address is taken by another device it doesn't connect I thought my router was smart guess I was wrong but once I forget the network and then reapply the security settings it connects, I have no problem with my other router.
After purchasing an Acer Iconia a500 , I realized that it isnt just WP7 users who whine and complain about the latest upgrades , its tech wide ! I mean some of the gripes you have are laudible ,but in the long run 6.5 is done , so if you long for that experience it wont last , sure theres still some people using Windows 98 , XP , but at some point it becomes so outdated it becomes useless, you will find wm 6.5 fits this category , sometimes you have to go back to go forward and that is the case with WP7 !
Trust me the "copy paste" function is useless , I havent even used it yet (or missed not having it) , As I said I have a tablet with Honeycomb on it , its really irratating hearing all the babies crying about updates , the damn OS has been out for a month and these crybabies are whining "it doesnt do this ,it doesnt do that" , the thing is like most devices that are new it will not have certain things right off the bat , yes the device can be rooted a plus , but somethings cant be changed yet , just like the missing api's wp7 , that stuff will come , theres so many talented people in XDA , JUST RELAX AND ENJOY THE RIDE!,
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After purchasing an Acer Iconia a500 , I realized that it isnt just WP7 users who whine and complain about the latest upgrades , its tech wide ! I mean some of the gripes you have are laudible ,but in the long run 6.5 is done , so if you long for that experience it wont last , sure theres still some people using Windows 98 , XP , but at some point it becomes so outdated it becomes useless, you will find wm 6.5 fits this category , sometimes you have to go back to go forward and that is the case with WP7 !
Trust me the "copy paste" function is useless , I havent even used it yet (or missed not having it) , As I said I have a tablet with Honeycomb on it , its really irratating hearing all the babies crying about updates , the damn OS has been out for a month and these crybabies are whining "it doesnt do this ,it doesnt do that" , the thing is like most devices that are new it will not have certain things right off the bat , yes the device can be rooted a plus , but somethings cant be changed yet , just like the missing api's wp7 , that stuff will come , theres so many talented people in XDA , JUST RELAX AND ENJOY THE RIDE!,
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Cease with this being reasonable and level-headed immediately! If you continue with this behavior, I will report you to the Mods and request your immediate removal and ban! How can we be expected to have every thread ruined with incessant back and forth bickering, passive aggressive flaming, and pathetic trolling if behavior like yours is allowed to continue on this forum?
ehh this is why i never liked windows 7
CdTDroiD said:
Buy an android phone lol
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how about you post something useful..
This guy has a lot of good points.
" OFFICE HUB"
is a joke
microsoft word is such a pain to use that formatting within the document is impossible!!
there is no way to save formatting. so If I need to write everything in red. I have to hit format every single time and then select an option. that along with the keyboard taking up the entire length of the document.
BLEH!
adobe reader is the slowest pdf viewer ive ever used!!! and i remember using an 8125 and reading pdfs on it..
The wifi issues are a pain!! they are so the carrier can force us to use there data plan. I want to use WIFI why did i buy the phone with wifi capabilities if it wont even stay on!!
The contacts are again a pain to search through.
there is no way to delete lines within a conversation..
Or Deleting multiple text messages.
Microsoft is really falling short on this one.
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After purchasing an Acer Iconia a500 , I realized that it isnt just WP7 users who whine and complain about the latest upgrades , its tech wide ! I mean some of the gripes you have are laudible ,but in the long run 6.5 is done , so if you long for that experience it wont last , sure theres still some people using Windows 98 , XP , but at some point it becomes so outdated it becomes useless, you will find wm 6.5 fits this category , sometimes you have to go back to go forward and that is the case with WP7 !
Trust me the "copy paste" function is useless , I havent even used it yet (or missed not having it) , As I said I have a tablet with Honeycomb on it , its really irratating hearing all the babies crying about updates , the damn OS has been out for a month and these crybabies are whining "it doesnt do this ,it doesnt do that" , the thing is like most devices that are new it will not have certain things right off the bat , yes the device can be rooted a plus , but somethings cant be changed yet , just like the missing api's wp7 , that stuff will come , theres so many talented people in XDA , JUST RELAX AND ENJOY THE RIDE!,
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this has nothing to do with XDA.....
this has to do with Microsoft developing a poor operating software for my 499.99$ phone. This is a rant about the missing features that are obvious to a smart phone and you are saying relaxing dont worry.. this is what i purchased the phone for and it is severely lacking in a lot of areas.
professorwol said:
this has nothing to do with XDA.....
this has to do with Microsoft developing a poor operating software for my 499.99$ phone. This is a rant about the missing features that are obvious to a smart phone and you are saying relaxing dont worry.. this is what i purchased the phone for and it is severely lacking in a lot of areas.
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If you were missinformed of what WP7 was and could do at the time of your purchase, its your own fault... grab your 499.99$ and take it back, problem solved.
professorwol said:
this has nothing to do with XDA.....
this has to do with Microsoft developing a poor operating software for my 499.99$ phone. This is a rant about the missing features that are obvious to a smart phone and you are saying relaxing dont worry.. this is what i purchased the phone for and it is severely lacking in a lot of areas.
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I find it pretty funny people moaning about the lack of features WP7 has and how great Android and IOS are.
I had Android from the very start when hardly anyone knew what it was and i had that brick of a phone (although i quite liked it lol) called the G1.
Android was released on 1.0 software however i thought it was a practical joke no lie the battery would last 5 hours if you was lucky and the phone would heat up like a microwave oven besides the various other bugs etc including freezing up completely. It took Google 5 updates until we got the first named update "Cupcake" 1.5 before android was even half usable and had copy & paste etc. And to be honest it should of started on 1.5 so my G1 only got 1 decent update to 1.6.
Its the same with all the other android phones i have had the SE X10 did go from 1.6 to 2.3 only because legions of p*ssed off people including myself moaned at sony like there was no tomorrow when they said it would only get 2.1 (i think).
Etc Etc the point it Android is way too fragmented and buying a Android phone is like entering a lottery with regards to updates and added features etc.
Same with Apple it took them at least a year to add even copy & paste not too mention all the other stuff that was missing like MMS & Adobe Flash (ah yeah still ain't got that one).
Microsoft have given us a much better OS than both Google or Apple right off the bat and the amount of added features Mango is bringing is pretty amazing adding more stuff than 1 or 2 major android updates and even getting so things in the first year of WP7 that iPhone hasn't got after 5 years.
So, I have had my G2X for more than 2 weeks. And to be honest, I've never been happier with an Android phone. And I'm sure lots of you hate me for this, but I have no reboots and minimal screen bleed.
I do have problems with the phone.
Call list is ridiculously crippled. My ages old Nokia 6263 flip phone has a call log that splits up MISSSED, RECEIVED, OUTGOING, and ALL, it also calculates times and dates for EACH call, plus logs total times called
The G2X's call log is a list with phone numbers, horribly inaccurate times [such as "1 hour ago" when it was actually more than 1 hour 45 minutes ago\ and NO SPLITTING UP, the only way to tell what is missed or outgoing is by the icons next to the call, but no way to filter through [for someone in business, this is a must when I'm calling many different numbers through the day]
Then there's the little things I miss from my Defy
Battery Manager, considering how quickly the G2X can run through batteries, why no battery manager? The Defy had custom battery profiles and three very well thought out preset profiles, all usable at one point. Performance mode made everything go full blast, data, screen brightness, etc. Battery Saver made screen brightness 0, turned off autosync, and got you on 2g. Smart Mode was like performance mode, but went into saver mode if you weren't using the phone.
The buttons next to the app drawer: It make no sense to me for the buttons next to the app drawer button to be call and browser. On my old Defy, the buttons were CALL and CONTACTS, and they were nice big buttons that stood out. Having browser next to app drawer button makes no sense when you can access browser from either app drawer itself or a small widget on my screen.
The alarm application, RIDICULOUS! It can't use my music as an alarm, only the default alarms. Why in the world? I have to make an mp3 into a ringtone from ringdroid for it to work. Is this an issue with file locations and the memory cards? or is the alarm clock guilty of this one fatal flaw?
Well, what do you guys think? Some of you have brought up valid issues, such as the way the phone handles the internal storage and external storage and how much it complicates pathnames and default settings. then there's also the way wi fi calling can drop in the middle of a call for no reason.
Last but not least, I hate how this is the first phone where it's hard to get excited about any new phones. It's so above and beyond everything else on the market that what can really get my heart racing? The phone still isn't even on Gingerbread, the Tegra zone is barely getting started, and the modding community is just heating up. Honestly, what's out there? I think for once, anyone who upgraded or added a line for this phone definitely gets their 2 years worth out of it.
Don't get me wrong, this is one amazing phone. I love it to death..but there's some things that are just wrong and I hope the firmware updates addresses.
download an alarm, phone log app, and juicedefender from the market. launcher buttons can be changed also. problem solved.
regP said:
download an alarm, phone log app, and juicedefender from the market. launcher buttons can be changed also. problem solved.
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Stock launcher buttons can be changed? I wasn't aware of that, if you know how please let me know!
I realize lots of these issues can be fixed by apps, but I have to admit, it impresses me when a phone straight out the box is usable. The G2X is quite possibly almost that kind of phone, it's a beautiful stock like user interface and some of LG's takes on things are impressive
If you get handcent, you can use it's sound picker to use any file for an alarm.
From your other complaints, it sounds like you've not used a vanilla android before. Most of those things are either features or things to get used to. The functions you want can be found on the market.
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Stock launcher buttons can be changed? I wasn't aware of that, if you know how please let me know!
I realize lots of these issues can be fixed by apps, but I have to admit, it impresses me when a phone straight out the box is usable. The G2X is quite possibly almost that kind of phone, it's a beautiful stock like user interface and some of LG's takes on things are impressive
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Just download adw or launcher pro. They are way better than the stock launcher and can be customized just they way you want them. All of your problems can be easily solved by looking for apps on the market. Also eventhough we don't have official gingerbread, we already have a pretty stable cm7 build (at least it has been for me).
The only thing I would say I'm missing is Netflix support. But even that can be fixed by mods
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And battstatt if you dont mod and have a battery meter.
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And battstatt if you dont mod and have a battery meter.
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I have to say that there is no reason at all that there is no default built in solution for battery management and or task management. LG or T-Mobile should have a solution for everyone, why give off such a critical feature to a slew of 3rd party apps.
All Thinkpads have a battery manager that manages how the laptop is charged, varies the charging and when it kicks in (ie start charging ONLY if under 85%) And has a battery reset that charges, drains, and charges, and resets the meter, all while plugged in.
No excuse for the phone builders to not manage that hardware...which the battery is a huge chunk of.
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I have to say that there is no reason at all that there is no default built in solution for battery management and or task management. LG or T-Mobile should have a solution for everyone, why give off such a critical feature to a slew of 3rd party apps.
All Thinkpads have a battery manager that manages how the laptop is charged, varies the charging and when it kicks in (ie start charging ONLY if under 85%) And has a battery reset that charges, drains, and charges, and resets the meter, all while plugged in.
No excuse for the phone builders to not manage that hardware...which the battery is a huge chunk of.
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It's wasted effort on their part. For every ONE person who would use that resource, 20 more would go to the app market and download an app that does exactly what they want. That's the beauty of Android, iOS, and other app based OSes.
Just get an iPhone, stop crying!!
G2X
fcisco13 said:
Just get an iPhone, stop crying!!
G2X
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I would stop crying..
but my POS motorolas have these features and they're $379 and $249 phones
There's no excuse a high end premium handset shouldn't have these features. It has bloatware, but not a battery manager or alarm or proper call log? Not to mention subpar music and gallery apps.
Now, why, Motorola, with such horrible R&D and short coding staff can do it, but LG witha $600 MSRP can't?
The camera app on the G2X is proof LG can do things right and absolutely better than anyone. The rest of the basic functions should be at the same level.
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I would stop crying..
but my POS motorolas have these features and they're $379 and $249 phones
There's no excuse a high end premium handset shouldn't have these features. It has bloatware, but not a battery manager or alarm or proper call log? Not to mention subpar music and gallery apps.
Now, why, Motorola, with such horrible R&D and short coding staff can do it, but LG witha $600 MSRP can't?
The camera app on the G2X is proof LG can do things right and absolutely better than anyone. The rest of the basic functions should be at the same level.
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I guess the beauty of android is that you can add/remove/freeze/ anything you want, yes its a pain sometimes, but hey at least its not iPhone...
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againareku said:
So, I have had my G2X for more than 2 weeks. And to be honest, I've never been happier with an Android phone. And I'm sure lots of you hate me for this, but I have no reboots and minimal screen bleed.
I do have problems with the phone.
Call list is ridiculously crippled. My ages old Nokia 6263 flip phone has a call log that splits up MISSSED, RECEIVED, OUTGOING, and ALL, it also calculates times and dates for EACH call, plus logs total times called
The G2X's call log is a list with phone numbers, horribly inaccurate times [such as "1 hour ago" when it was actually more than 1 hour 45 minutes ago\ and NO SPLITTING UP, the only way to tell what is missed or outgoing is by the icons next to the call, but no way to filter through [for someone in business, this is a must when I'm calling many different numbers through the day]
Then there's the little things I miss from my Defy
Battery Manager, considering how quickly the G2X can run through batteries, why no battery manager? The Defy had custom battery profiles and three very well thought out preset profiles, all usable at one point. Performance mode made everything go full blast, data, screen brightness, etc. Battery Saver made screen brightness 0, turned off autosync, and got you on 2g. Smart Mode was like performance mode, but went into saver mode if you weren't using the phone.
The buttons next to the app drawer: It make no sense to me for the buttons next to the app drawer button to be call and browser. On my old Defy, the buttons were CALL and CONTACTS, and they were nice big buttons that stood out. Having browser next to app drawer button makes no sense when you can access browser from either app drawer itself or a small widget on my screen.
The alarm application, RIDICULOUS! It can't use my music as an alarm, only the default alarms. Why in the world? I have to make an mp3 into a ringtone from ringdroid for it to work. Is this an issue with file locations and the memory cards? or is the alarm clock guilty of this one fatal flaw?
Well, what do you guys think? Some of you have brought up valid issues, such as the way the phone handles the internal storage and external storage and how much it complicates pathnames and default settings. then there's also the way wi fi calling can drop in the middle of a call for no reason.
Last but not least, I hate how this is the first phone where it's hard to get excited about any new phones. It's so above and beyond everything else on the market that what can really get my heart racing? The phone still isn't even on Gingerbread, the Tegra zone is barely getting started, and the modding community is just heating up. Honestly, what's out there? I think for once, anyone who upgraded or added a line for this phone definitely gets their 2 years worth out of it.
Don't get me wrong, this is one amazing phone. I love it to death..but there's some things that are just wrong and I hope the firmware updates addresses.
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Sorry to say, but this is a really stupid rant. Everything can be changed with a custom rom, or something from the market. Learn something before ranting about nothing. Also you're basically complaining about stock android...this is so stupid.
I use "AContact" for my contact list, call log and dialer. It is miles ahead of the stock Android contact list/call log. Best of yet, it's free to. A lot of things aren't included with Android because they know there are tons of 3rd party apps that people will download according to what kind of features there looking for. For a alarm, use "Alarm Clock Plus". It looks exactly like the stock alarm only it has a lot more features such as adding a song or a playlist of songs to wake you up.
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Sorry to say, but this is a really stupid rant. Everything can be changed with a custom rom, or something from the market. Learn something before ranting about nothing. Also you're basically complaining about stock android...this is so stupid.
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So, where does that leave the average user? See, Android's nice, and I'm sure everyone would love for Android to become the number one OS, but if users who don't root and flash are stuck then why should they consider Android over iOS or WP7?
I have no problem rooting or flashing, I do it to a throw away phone like my old CLIQ XT running cm7
but I'd prefer to keep my 1 year warranty and extended warranty service valid for a $600 device.
You really should get an android phone from motorola or htc with their blur/sense services. You obviously don't want to do the research or work yourself to find apps. The htc sensation comes out soon. Return your g2x so we don't have to hear another pointless rant please, thank you. And how on earth did you figure out xda if you can't figure out this phone...
Can I haz iPhone?
I want the one with wifi's and 3g's
Can I Also get the one wiff. Da bigger GEEBEE'S¿
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So, where does that leave the average user? See, Android's nice, and I'm sure everyone would love for Android to become the number one OS, but if users who don't root and flash are stuck then why should they consider Android over iOS or WP7?
I have no problem rooting or flashing, I do it to a throw away phone like my old CLIQ XT running cm7
but I'd prefer to keep my 1 year warranty and extended warranty service valid for a $600 device.
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I'm sorry, actually no I'm not, but Android was not made for the average user. You want that experience then go get an iPhone. That's not bashing the iPhone but it has its niche. It's the Everyman device. You don't want or have the time to customize? Android isn't for you. This was a senseless rant and a part of me just has to wonder if you're a troll, especially if you're on a site as technically as XDA and are complaining about customization.
The wonders of Android are that if you don't like something, you can change it. That's why I've owned Android since its inception and I'll own it until it fades out of existence.
Last bit, rooting has nothing to do with changing the features you're wanting. There are easily found applications that remedy every problem you mentioned.
I don't usually rip into other users but this post just irked me.
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So, where does that leave the average user? See, Android's nice, and I'm sure everyone would love for Android to become the number one OS, but if users who don't root and flash are stuck then why should they consider Android over iOS or WP7?
I have no problem rooting or flashing, I do it to a throw away phone like my old CLIQ XT running cm7
but I'd prefer to keep my 1 year warranty and extended warranty service valid for a $600 device.
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Average user here ... I haven't rooted my phone, but certainly don't feel "stuck." I considered Android over IOS or WP7 because it offered me far more choices. For one, the contact list that bothers you so much is sufficient for me. What you consider obvious misses are clean, streamlined choices to me. I chose Android because I knew if there was something I didn't like (such as a contact list, alarm clock, etc.) there were hundreds of other options just a quick download away. I find it fun to try out different apps to find the one that absolutely fits my needs, and I always do.
The best thing you can do to help change your attitude is to personalize your phone, with just a little research, and maybe start with a new Launcher. I use LauncherPro and love how I can put any icon anywhere I want on its dock bar, in any order, and then also be able to use a swipe up gesture to get even more. So, on my phone icon, I use a swipe gesture to view my contacts so I have two useful features in one spot. Saves space and time.
I think once you adjust to having the ability to make choices for what you want where on your phone, you will truly see the beauty of Android.
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So, where does that leave the average user? See, Android's nice, and I'm sure everyone would love for Android to become the number one OS, but if users who don't root and flash are stuck then why should they consider Android over iOS or WP7?
I have no problem rooting or flashing, I do it to a throw away phone like my old CLIQ XT running cm7
but I'd prefer to keep my 1 year warranty and extended warranty service valid for a $600 device.
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You Mr. Average User do not have to root or flash to change anything you want changed. You chose a vanilla Android device...the flavor comes from adding your own toppings. If you want something pre-customized to someone else's tastes you should get an HTC device (Sense) , or gasp...a Motorola (Blur). Or maybe even a WP7 or retch...an IPhone. Point is you have choices. You wouldn't make yourself a big bowl of vanilla ice cream at the desert bar and the complain that you have to add your own toppings...that would just be...stupid. Just sayin'.
I agree the dialer is basic. It doesn't dial by name... just like the stock alarm doesn't play MP3s. But they are stock and can all be switched out.
I like the stock alarm. Simple and reliable. For dialer I liked Dialer One. But I conditioned myself to use stock dialer. Why? Well because we have awesome Voice Search.
Hold the search button for a second and say "Dial Dominoes 45325" and bam! Ordering pizza with no Google search or lookups. Same with contacts. "Call Dad mobile". Done. "Dialer One" is a good replacement though.
Launcher Pro is a good launcher replacement with lots of slick effects and options. Also ADW EX.
This is stock android where they keep things simple. Almost like they want you to explore your options. Welcome to personal user experience. You aren't locked down to any one app.
LG G2x - CM7 2.3.4
Why wouldn't somebody want to root their phone? I just don't understand why. I mean maybe they're worried about warranties or wanting to return the phone, but that's all I can think of. Does anybody know why people are so scared to root? My friend just refused to let me root his phone because he thinks I'm "breaking" it.
Lay out the advantages of having a rooted device and an unrooted device. Try not to mention returning a phone or warranty issues, because that isn't totally relevant to my argument with my friend (he is NOT turning in his phone anytime soon ). Right so I'm just curious. I can't imagine having an Android phone and it NOT being rooted.
Pros:
POWER (so much power)
BLN/BLD/Voodoo/Touchwake/OC/UV
Custom Kernels
Custom ROMs
Proper terminal/busybox
Adblock
ClockSync (these android phones have appalling timekeeping)
General customisation (build.prop, icons)
And of course wifikill (this links back to POWER)
etc etc
Cons:
Warranty, though hardware should be under warranty anyway as long as it has nothing to do with software malfunction (power button, usb port, etc).
Damn windows drivers
Maybe if it requires a lot of work and they do not appreciate customization or control. Perfect iPhone user if you ask me.
My brother in law had a Droid X and you had to jump through 15 hoops to root it and flash custom ROMs. He has a Galaxy Nexus now and has no desire to unlock and root it. :screwy:
My coworker has a Xoom and a Bionic and has not rooted either. Then he was complaining how long it was taking for the OTA ICS to be rolled out.
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Maybe if it requires a lot of work and they do not appreciate customization or control. Perfect iPhone user if you ask me.
My brother in law had a Droid X and you had to jump through 15 hoops to root it and flash custom ROMs. He has a Galaxy Nexus now and has no desire to unlock and root it. :screwy:
My coworker has a Xoom and a Bionic and has not rooted either. Then he was complaining how long it was taking for the OTA ICS to be rolled out.
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for Nexus series , unlock and root is absolutely required , because they are google's sons and pure blood of Android , with Nexuses you can do all kinda things
Nexuses are for people like us who is DEV or likes flash ROM over and over and over ...
okay , i 'm sorry that off the subject.
but , honestly , for crazy users like we are do need it , because lots thing we do daily needs root access
but for a normal user , that kinda people who doesn't know much things about flash ROM or something , it's kinda not need to be rooted...
root or not , it depends on your usage.
for the people who only use phone to talk to SMS to Gmail and to browser webpage, what roots for ???
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for Nexus series , unlock and root is absolutely required , because they are google's sons and pure blood of Android , with Nexuses you can do all kinda things
Nexuses are for people like us who is DEV or likes flash ROM over and over and over ...
okay , i 'm sorry that off the subject.
but , honestly , for crazy users like we are do need it , because lots thing we do daily needs root access
but for a normal user , that kinda people who doesn't know much things about flash ROM or something , it's kinda not need to be rooted...
root or not , it depends on your usage.
for the people who only use phone to talk to SMS to Gmail and to browser webpage, what roots for ???
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So you're arguing that unrooted is simplicity from what I gathered in that text lol ? I don't know. I'm still not convinced. I believe it is better to root. If you root you will finally be able to get that "one" thing your phone is missing. Ever single person in this world has had a moment where they say "I wish my phone could..." ... well it can if they root it
Nexus S - AOSP+ Neapolitan flavors 3.0, Glados kernel 2.8
For my friend, his reason not rooting is because he's really lazy. And the possibility of his phone bricking is too worry some for him to root especially when he doesn't really need to.
When I was deciding not to root or not was because of the warranty. I just realized I could lock it again and return it for warranty if anything
Well, how should I suppose to say this. The only reason I buy Android phone is because it could be rooted. And this is where all the fun is!!!
You'll only brick it if you're are "smart" enough not to read what the ROM or whatever you're using supports your phone. Warranty issues are not includes for just such reason lol. If somebody can give me 3 point how rooting is better I will praise you and my friend. So fair stock:0 rooted:a heavy amount
Nexus S - AOSP+ Neapolitan flavors 3.0, Glados kernel 2.8
I am always worried of the EFS folder
BTW : would that folder be at risk if the device is rooted ? and would rooted devices are at more risk that some app would screw an original one ?
Because most people only care about 3 things
1) Can it make calls
2) Can it send SMS/MMS
3) Can I browse the web
If a phone matches that criteria most are good to go
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Tapatalk
I am not a dev, nor am I a programmer. The most I can do is follow instructions and edit simple things like font style and color in XMLs. I don't dare flashing bleeding edge stuff, so I always read reviews and go with something other people have tried first.
Still, I think that for an Android phone, rooting is much better than not rooting if you want to get the most out of your money. The performance and battery life can be improved, depending on the phone model, one can get a mild improvement (like with Nexus S) or dramatic change that makes you feel as if your phone gets a new life. Some people may not be inclined to backup often or spend time read up on XDA, but if they have a friend/relative who likes those stuff, it would be nice to have that friend/relative pick a stable setup and put those in (and set periodic auto backup for apps/messages). When others are whining "updates where? I have waited for MONTHS for GB/ICS", custom ROM users are already enjoying the new features.
Warranty still applies as long as you have the card. I've fixed the power button of my under-warranty LG Optimus One and they got it done with no questions asked. I know someone who had their Nexus S bricked due to wrong flashing and they still get to claim warranty.
If a person only uses their phone for calls, text and the occasional browsing, buying an Android phone is probably a waste of money.
Hey budday...
To answer the initial question as to why some one, but in this case I do not want to root is out of fear bricking my phone. Also I've found it fairly easy to customize without ..but in this case if you can lay out an easily read diagram or some sh!t then maybe people(me) will be more compelled to. Or for your sake make your argument a better one !
Especially with this ridiculously delayed OTA for my nexus ..and with no indication as to why! ? That's what I really wanna know!
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Maybe they want to leave it stock to not deal with the headache. Most ppl root just to tether for free and thats it.
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My work place is gey. In order to access the Corporate Exchange server using the Good for Enterprise app, my phone has to be unrooted. The Good app sees that I have superuser binary on my phone and won't allow access. I can't use my phone without it rooted, I'll go nuts. So I ditched Good, and my phone stays rooted. Why are Corporations afraid of rooted phones?
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Election Day said:
Try calling someone's customer support and explain any problem you are having in full detail. They will still treat you like a complete idiot that does not have a clue what he/she is talking about.
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LOL, i know what you're saying. but they don't do that to insult you or imply you don't know anything. They don't know who you are or how much you know. It is simply the best way to approach a problem. If a user said they did something, how do you really know? (e.g. user says they rebooted the computer. but what they did was log out and log back in)
Anyways, there are different reasons why someone might not wanna root. If they don't wanna hear it then stop pushing. who doesn't hate that religious guy insisting you go to his church? when you keep pushing people to root you are that guy.
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Because most people only care about 3 things
1) Can it make calls
2) Can it send SMS/MMS
3) Can I browse the web
If a phone matches that criteria most are good to go
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Any finished (decent) ROM does that better and it does ALOT MORE
Nexus S - AOSP+ Neapolitan flavors 3.0, Glados kernel 2.8
As a new Nexus S user who is yet to root, it is something I am planning on doing, but the shear number of ROMs and kernel's is very daunting, and it seems I'm going to have to set aside a fair few hours when I finally decide to do it. I'm sure once it's done I'll be hooked, it's just the initial jump that's delaying it for me.
Due to the huge number of people involved in Nexus S development (and this is not a bad thing by any means!) I am finding it difficult to find a suitable starting point.
Hello all,
So a brief intro before i delve into the slight inconvenience I'm experiencing. I came from an HTC HD2 running a custom MIUI rom found here on XDA. It worked fantastically until one day it decided to commit suicide via jumping out of my pocket and falling to the floor while I was on a ladder. Anyways, using that phone when I wanted to send a mms I could select the picture I wanted to send, hit send, and it would switch my data on, send the photo and then turn the data off and when receiving, it would do the same.
Fast forward to now, I bought this wonderful Infuse with it's huge screen and it's stock android and I was all set and excited until I tried sending/receiving picture messages. In order to do so, I have to manually turn on my data every time I want to do either. It's a stock official Gingerbread build via kies and the Samsung website and I'm only running a custom launcher through sslauncher. I've tried go sms pro and handcent sms and it's the same issue.
Is this just an issue with the phone itself? Gingerbread? Will a custom ROM fix the problem or is there another work around?
Thank for your help, it is greatly appreciated.
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Hello all,
So a brief intro before i delve into the slight inconvenience I'm experiencing. I came from an HTC HD2 running a custom MIUI rom found here on XDA. It worked fantastically until one day it decided to commit suicide via jumping out of my pocket and falling to the floor while I was on a ladder. Anyways, using that phone when I wanted to send a mms I could select the picture I wanted to send, hit send, and it would switch my data on, send the photo and then turn the data off and when receiving, it would do the same.
Fast forward to now, I bought this wonderful Infuse with it's huge screen and it's stock android and I was all set and excited until I tried sending/receiving picture messages. In order to do so, I have to manually turn on my data every time I want to do either. It's a stock official Gingerbread build via kies and the Samsung website and I'm only running a custom launcher through sslauncher. I've tried go sms pro and handcent sms and it's the same issue.
Is this just an issue with the phone itself? Gingerbread? Will a custom ROM fix the problem or is there another work around?
Thank for your help, it is greatly appreciated.
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That's just the way it is...been that way on every rom I've tried...but it probably is possible to modify the system files and what not to auto turn the data on for mms ...something I would not be able to do
Sent from my SGH-I997 using XDA
Thanks for the response.
I've noticed also every one I send, the data usage counter im using with zdbox keeps going down. It's a very small amount, .04 mb per picture, or something but if im paying for unlimited messaging that is supposed to include picture messages, why is that counting towards data usage? It's like I can receive the picture but in order to see it I have to use data to download it. kind of sucks
quick thing actually, just talked to an at&t rep and she said while you have to have the data option enable to send/receive, it shouldn't count toward the data usage plan. good news i guess :|
Why not turn it on and leave it on? You need data to get an mms. Its not infuse specific, rom specific, that's the way it is
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joe3681 said:
Why not turn it on and leave it on? You need data to get an mms. Its not infuse specific, rom specific, that's the way it is
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Well I don't need it on all the time, so why drain the battery? I understand you need data to send/recieve mms, what I don't understand is why do I have to go into the settings menu to turn it on if I want to send/recieve every single time (yes I know there are apps and widgets, but that's not the point). Dumbphones could do this without the user having to go through menus to turn on data everytime a picture message comes through, why do I have to with a more advanced smartphone?
In a MIUI rom I had with my old HD2, I didn't have to do this. That's why I was asking.
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Well I don't need it on all the time, so why drain the battery? I understand you need data to send/recieve mms, what I don't understand is why do I have to go into the settings menu to turn it on if I want to send/recieve every single time (yes I know there are apps and widgets, but that's not the point). Dumbphones could do this without the user having to go through menus to turn on data everytime a picture message comes through, why do I have to with a more advanced smartphone?
In a MIUI rom I had with my old HD2, I didn't have to do this. That's why I was asking.
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Why cant i start my car by looking at it. Why do i need a key?!?! Use a widget, not the point? You want a custom rom? You're complaing cause you don't have a rom YOUR way. That's the way it is. If you're THAT paranoid about battery life tell people not to send you mms or maybe Id rethink the switching from a dumb phone to a smart phone.
Suggestions:
1. Suck it up
2. Make you're own rom
3. Use a widget for its intended purpose
4. Get an iphone, use iMessage on wifi
Sent from XDA Premium on my Infuse 3.5G
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Why cant i start my car by looking at it. Why do i need a key?!?! Use a widget, not the point? You want a custom rom? You're complaing cause you don't have a rom YOUR way. That's the way it is. If you're THAT paranoid about battery life tell people not to send you mms or maybe Id rethink the switching from a dumb phone to a smart phone.
Suggestions:
1. Suck it up
2. Make you're own rom
3. Use a widget for its intended purpose
4. Get an iphone, use iMessage on wifi Sent from XDA Premium on my Infuse 3.5G
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@Joe3681...you are border line being an [email protected]@, i have noticed your posts in the threads...maybe your bored or maybe you just like it...you have given help and i thx you. But for the most part not....
We have acquired a help one, help all theme in the infuse family threads...sure we joke...but the [email protected]@ like attitudes are Noted, so if do or don't mind, throttle back on it.
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Why cant i start my car by looking at it. Why do i need a key?!?! Use a widget, not the point? You want a custom rom? You're complaing cause you don't have a rom YOUR way. That's the way it is. If you're THAT paranoid about battery life tell people not to send you mms or maybe Id rethink the switching from a dumb phone to a smart phone.
Suggestions:
1. Suck it up
2. Make you're own rom
3. Use a widget for its intended purpose
4. Get an iphone, use iMessage on wifi
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The point is if you make something thats more advanced, more user intuitive and user friendly, why go back and make things more complicated thus being less user friendly than before? I was merely asking a question if there was something I wasn't seeing, or a setting I hadn't enabled yet, or something I was just merely missing because I only just got the phone. I know of other smartphones that have this capability, maybe it's a Samsung thing because the two HTC phones that my parents own don't have this issue. I said it was more of a minor inconvenience than a real problem, but nonetheless it's still there.
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@Joe3681...you are border line being an [email protected]@, i have noticed your posts in the threads...maybe your bored or maybe you just like it...you have given help and i thx you. But for the most part not....
We have acquired a help one, help all theme in the infuse family threads...sure we joke...but the [email protected]@ like attitudes are Noted, so if do or don't mind, throttle back on it.
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Private message material if I've ever seen it.
If I came on here adamant about "Well, I want to make things more difficult" "My old Nokia flip phone did this why doesn't this?!" And basically complaining when the reason for my problem was my stubbornness, the lovely folks here would be the same way!
Really though I think its an attitude that I get used to having at XDA. The infuse section isn't bad but A LOT of the people here are rude, ignorant deuchebags and would much rather ***** at you for asking a question than answer it and be done.
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Private message material if I've ever seen it.
If I came on here adamant about "Well, I want to make things more difficult" "My old Nokia flip phone did this why doesn't this?!" And basically complaining when the reason for my problem was my stubbornness, the lovely folks here would be the same way!
Really though I think its an attitude that I get used to having at XDA. The infuse section isn't bad but A LOT of the people here are rude, ignorant deuchebags and would much rather ***** at you for asking a question than answer it and be done.
Sent from XDA Premium on my Infuse 3.5G
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No it is not pm material but my opinion...and i disagree on your thoughts of people here.
Closed for cleaning.
for the 2nd time in less then 2months, my nexus 5 was friggin stolen today. The first time, while i was pretty upset, I turned it into a positive, cause I wanted the White one in the first place, and I ended up being able ot get a brand new white one as a replacement. but this time, I am sooooo damn pissed. My replacement (another 100$ later) will be here in 3-5days, and this time, I am like chaining that thing to me.
My damn GF left it sitting at the table in McDonalds. She was supposed to grab our stuff, while I put our garbage in the bin and went and started the car, about 5min after leaving, i asked for my phone....no phone, turn around go back, NO PHONE !
And at least last time I had my LG G2 as a backup phone so I had something nice to use while I waited for a replacement. But I since have sold the G2, and all I ahve is a Verizon Galaxy S3, which doesn't help me at all cause my Verizon account was closed back when the Nexus 5 came out cause I wanted that phone so bad, that I switched to T-Mobile. So now I got nothing but hte home phone, which today was the first time I've used a home phone in years, it was kinda weird lol.
Anyways, obviously this isn't a question or anything, and I apologize to the Mods for that, but this is the only site in which I can talk about what happened and have people know my pain, and I needed to vent, cause twice in less then 60 days is friggin BS to the 10th power. I've never lost a phone or had one stolen or even had to file a claim for phone insurance, in all the years of owning phones, which I am going on 10years (first phone when i was 17, and am 27 now)....I swear ! if someone takes my next Nexus 5, I am going postal up in whatever place it was that I had it taken from. lol
Sorry to hear about this, very unfortunate. Any luck tracking the device using the find my phone feature? Clutch your new phones tightly folks.
Damn man.. I feel for you. That sucks big time I would be so pissed if my gf left my phone at McDonalds lol. Hopefully you have better luck on the next one mate!
By the way, prepare for some random douche coming in to be an ass to you for posting this story
Dang. That sucks dude. I got mugged for my HTC one a couple weeks ago. Couldn't afford to buy another so went with the nexus 5. No brained really. This phone is awesome. Not missing the one too much. I gotta tell you tho. At least you lost it and didn't get a knife or worse pulled out. For future reference kit Kat has location always on. Even with the low accuracy setting, you should be able to find it with lookout if installed but I highly recommend android device manager. You'll find it in the play store.
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Dang. That sucks dude. I got mugged for my HTC one a couple weeks ago. Couldn't afford to buy another so went with the nexus 5. No brained really. This phone is awesome. Not missing the one too much. I gotta tell you tho. At least you lost it and didn't get a knife or worse pulled out. For future reference kit Kat has location always on. Even with the low accuracy setting, you should be able to find it with lookout if installed but I highly recommend android device manager. You'll find it in the play store.
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damn. I am assuming you weren't able to use a FIND MY PHONE type app either ? My T-Mobile protection plan comes with a premium account for Lookout mobile, which when it works is great, but if they take out the simcard and reset it, before you can locate it, its useless. Last time, i wasn't able to do it either, but that was cause like 2 hours before it got jacked I had just factory reset/wiped system, to install a test build of a ROM I've been working on (first ROM I've done that wasn't based of CM or AOSPA, building this one straight from stock AOSP source, just like the Nexus stock firmware is. And adding my own features instead of using others. Tho I did add Halo, cause i love that feature lol as well as app bar, which works in tandem if you set it up right. But enough OT lol) So yea, since I had just flashed that, and was test driving it, didn't have Device Manager or Lookout installed. This time, it just didn't work.
I am really sorry to hear that happened to you bro. I remember back when FIND MY PHONE apps were first becoming relevant, this dude here in Seattle was mugged and they took his iPhone 3G (think it was the 3GS actually) and he had the official iPhone one (which is through iCloud now, I have it for my iPad AIR, which OT again, is my first iOS device since my 4th Gen iPod touch, and I will never be an iPhone guy, but I am loving the iPad. I want that damn 12.1 Note Pro tho lol) and he was able to get the GPS data (which was all that it did back then, as well as Wipe, the Scream feature, and Lock, didn't have signal flare or Lock Cam, etc etc, like we do now) and he gave it to the SPD, and they were able to track it back to both suspects, retrieve the phone, all the money minus 12.59$ and the rest of the wallet contents as well as his jewelry. that was the incident that made the popularity of those apps take off, while also showing the need for such apps, and the need for better refinement of their functionality etc etc.
They need to find a way around people being able to shut it off. There has to be some type of feature that makes it so there is absolutely no way for them to take wipe the phone without A.) the password, which already exists as a feature B.) a special docking device or Computer USB cable that enables the Wipe feature (albeit, this could be bypassed via custom recovery I guess) and finally C.) bringing it to the phones carrier and proving ownership, etc etc. The simcard being removed should have nothing to do with it. But apparently removing that, and wiping the device negates the whole purpose of that feature. So what can you really do.
People are dumb, Steal a phone and within seconds you can wipe and remove simcard, and then the only thing the owner can do is report it and blacklist it, which even then can be gone around if you know how to use the proper JTAG device or if you plan on selling it, or using it, overseas. cause their blacklists obviously don't coincide with our's here in the US. I personally had a friend who legitimately bought an S4 for T-Mobile, and then the dude (this was through craigslist, another reason why swappa is better, so there is accountability at least and proof of purchase and authorized sale of said device) reported the device lost or stolen within minutes of the sale. So he gets the money, and a replacement phone and my buddy is screwed. But he found someone with a JTAG device that rewrote the IMEI (WHICH I do not condone, and is actually ILLEGAL, only mentioning it as part of this topic) and he is still using it on T-Mobile today.
How did you get a replacement? Was it from Google?
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Just checked my email, and found two things that made me even more upset about this. First one was a notification of a PM here on XDA from the Dev's of Nameless ROM, responding to my request to be a Mainter for the Nexus 5 version of their ROM. which I've been wanting to do for awhile now, to help learn more about Development while also giving back to the community in whatever way I can until I finish my own ROM and App.
Second, was an Email from someone who must of seen my request on Google+, about getting an Invite to the new Aviate Launcher beta, which I've been intrigued by for quite sometime, and finally got my invite code. No phone to use it on. I have an S3 from my Verizon days, that I keep for backup, but pointless sine I dont have verizon now, and for the life of me can't find the battery for haha. Hopefully my friend can find the T-Mobile version of the S3 he has, and said I could use til my replacement got back .I always liked the S3, and my S4,. and especially my Note 3 (want that damn 12.1 Note Pro...already said thta tho haha) the only thing I liked better was the Nexus 5. The G2 would be my 2nd fave if it wasn't for that damn UI of theirs which is a obvious kang of TouchWiz, but dont wrong, and bloated up even more so. Which TouchWiz is already pretty damn heavy and resource hungry, well from time with the G2 as secondary device before giving it to one of my bandmates, I can tell you, it is bogged down soooooo much. That UI is holding that device back from being an top 5 android phone. But that camera is one of the best. Which reminds me of how much I want the 1020 or 1520 to come out on T-Mobile, cause I want that camera and I also want to try out a WP, but all the ones on T-Mobile are crap. Anyways......Stupid theives, ruinned my day. I wanna try AVIATE so bad.
Guess I can give invites now, so if anyone wants one , post here and let me know and your wish shall be granted......if you post a video of you doing a double backflip and saying my username 3 times fast.....haha, that would make this day better for me too
Silicon Knight said:
Just checked my email, and found two things that made me even more upset about this. First one was a notification of a PM here on XDA from the Dev's of Nameless ROM, responding to my request to be a Mainter for the Nexus 5 version of their ROM. which I've been wanting to do for awhile now, to help learn more about Development while also giving back to the community in whatever way I can until I finish my own ROM and App.
Second, was an Email from someone who must of seen my request on Google+, about getting an Invite to the new Aviate Launcher beta, which I've been intrigued by for quite sometime, and finally got my invite code. No phone to use it on. I have an S3 from my Verizon days, that I keep for backup, but pointless sine I dont have verizon now, and for the life of me can't find the battery for haha. Hopefully my friend can find the T-Mobile version of the S3 he has, and said I could use til my replacement got back .I always liked the S3, and my S4,. and especially my Note 3 (want that damn 12.1 Note Pro...already said thta tho haha) the only thing I liked better was the Nexus 5. The G2 would be my 2nd fave if it wasn't for that damn UI of theirs which is a obvious kang of TouchWiz, but dont wrong, and bloated up even more so. Which TouchWiz is already pretty damn heavy and resource hungry, well from time with the G2 as secondary device before giving it to one of my bandmates, I can tell you, it is bogged down soooooo much. That UI is holding that device back from being an top 5 android phone. But that camera is one of the best. Which reminds me of how much I want the 1020 or 1520 to come out on T-Mobile, cause I want that camera and I also want to try out a WP, but all the ones on T-Mobile are crap. Anyways......Stupid theives, ruinned my day. I wanna try AVIATE so bad.
Guess I can give invites now, so if anyone wants one , post here and let me know and your wish shall be granted......if you post a video of you doing a double backflip and saying my username 3 times fast.....haha, that would make this day better for me too
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I would love an invite. Sorry bout your phone.
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My damn GF left it sitting at the table in McDonalds.
does this count as stolen? well i know what i would do (hand it back) but this was just a unlucky situation.... and i hope you learned your lesson here bro...
GL
Silicon Knight said:
damn. I am assuming you weren't able to use a FIND MY PHONE type app either ? My T-Mobile protection plan comes with a premium account for Lookout mobile, which when it works is great, but if they take out the simcard and reset it, before you can locate it, its useless. Last time, i wasn't able to do it either, but that was cause like 2 hours before it got jacked I had just factory reset/wiped system, to install a test build of a ROM I've been working on (first ROM I've done that wasn't based of CM or AOSPA, building this one straight from stock AOSP source, just like the Nexus stock firmware is. And adding my own features instead of using others. Tho I did add Halo, cause i love that feature lol as well as app bar, which works in tandem if you set it up right. But enough OT lol) So yea, since I had just flashed that, and was test driving it, didn't have Device Manager or Lookout installed. This time, it just didn't work.
I am really sorry to hear that happened to you bro. I remember back when FIND MY PHONE apps were first becoming relevant, this dude here in Seattle was mugged and they took his iPhone 3G (think it was the 3GS actually) and he had the official iPhone one (which is through iCloud now, I have it for my iPad AIR, which OT again, is my first iOS device since my 4th Gen iPod touch, and I will never be an iPhone guy, but I am loving the iPad. I want that damn 12.1 Note Pro tho lol) and he was able to get the GPS data (which was all that it did back then, as well as Wipe, the Scream feature, and Lock, didn't have signal flare or Lock Cam, etc etc, like we do now) and he gave it to the SPD, and they were able to track it back to both suspects, retrieve the phone, all the money minus 12.59$ and the rest of the wallet contents as well as his jewelry. that was the incident that made the popularity of those apps take off, while also showing the need for such apps, and the need for better refinement of their functionality etc etc.
They need to find a way around people being able to shut it off. There has to be some type of feature that makes it so there is absolutely no way for them to take wipe the phone without A.) the password, which already exists as a feature B.) a special docking device or Computer USB cable that enables the Wipe feature (albeit, this could be bypassed via custom recovery I guess) and finally C.) bringing it to the phones carrier and proving ownership, etc etc. The simcard being removed should have nothing to do with it. But apparently removing that, and wiping the device negates the whole purpose of that feature. So what can you really do.
People are dumb, Steal a phone and within seconds you can wipe and remove simcard, and then the only thing the owner can do is report it and blacklist it, which even then can be gone around if you know how to use the proper JTAG device or if you plan on selling it, or using it, overseas. cause their blacklists obviously don't coincide with our's here in the US. I personally had a friend who legitimately bought an S4 for T-Mobile, and then the dude (this was through craigslist, another reason why swappa is better, so there is accountability at least and proof of purchase and authorized sale of said device) reported the device lost or stolen within minutes of the sale. So he gets the money, and a replacement phone and my buddy is screwed. But he found someone with a JTAG device that rewrote the IMEI (WHICH I do not condone, and is actually ILLEGAL, only mentioning it as part of this topic) and he is still using it on T-Mobile today.
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When I got mugged I wasn't using any of the find my phone apps. I feel like I use them now out of paranoia but I don't feel 100% secure. Is it the best best? I think so. The device manager is good when couples with kit Kat. The best iv seen so far. As you can imagine, when I picked up my n5 I simulated the device being stollen. I had my girlfriend take the phone for a walk. She powered it off. Then on. It gave me her location for both moments and I had the option to wipe. Will I find my phone? Probably not but its better than being paranoid. I wish there was a way to activate tracking regardless of phone on or off or reset. It should be a system setting that locks the feature in once you report it lost or stolen. If the NSA can do it. Why can't we?
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helstonrampersad said:
How did you get a replacement? Was it from Google?
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No, I go through T-mobile for service, but my friend had an upgrade he wasn't going to use, cause he has the HTC One Max that he bought outright and doesn't wanna change anytime soon (plus he owed me money) so he let me use it, and I got the White Nexus 5 for 49.99$ so technically I still have a claim (still good for a lil over 30 days, they give you 60days to pay teh deductible once the claim is approved) that I can use to get one. That deductible is 90$ (when I lost my Note 3, OMG they wanted like 175$) so I can get two Nexus 5's. So this time, I believe I will pay both deductibles when i get paid next week, then sell both, buy a 32GB white one from Google, and then use the rest too pay that months bill on T-mobile !
Then if it happens again, I am gonna be pissed, cause I don't think I will be able to file another claim. Don't even know if sprint or T-mobile or AT&T etc etc, offer insurance if you buy the phone from Google instead of them. Which is a good question, if anyone happens to know the answer to it, please let me know. Or else I will google it, and I don't wanna google it, cause I am in the midst of a 40day 40day, vow of no-googlesearch. Not joking. I've always been pretty good at comprehension, reading and vocabulary skills (music being my main skill, since it was a skill my parents and family nurtured from a young age. Played my first guitar solo back when the guitar was still taller then me lol) And my parents always made me look things up when i asked what a word meant extra, but now google has made us, especially me, lazy. So i wanna prove that I can still function intelligently without using Google to answer unknown questions, by instead researching by talking to people experience in whatever subject etc etc. This may sound so dumb to many of you, but I think it's a good idea to do at least once after being the first generation raised on the Internet (I am 27 and I've had an email since I was 10yrs old lol)
OT - (not that this whole thing has not become OT, I am just so damn bored without my phone right now, homealone for the night, GF at work, and no band pratice, this is normally phone mod and/or dev time, but I need my phone for that, tho i could do some work on my App without it, but that makes me sad right now, cause i want my phone haha)......ANYWAYS - I've yet to meet a single other musician, let alone, a Guitarist, on this Site and I've been a member since 2011. If anyone who see's this is a Musician, especially a Guitarist and Producer/Engineer (just graduated Music School, Music Production/Audio Engineering & Music Theory/General Music) say wats up in here, and let me know I am not the only Musician who's a closet tech/android/computer geek lol
Silicon Knight said:
.ANYWAYS - I've yet to meet a single other musician, let alone, a Guitarist, on this Site and I've been a member since 2011. If anyone who see's this is a Musician, especially a Guitarist and Producer/Engineer (just graduated Music School, Music Production/Audio Engineering & Music Theory/General Music) say wats up in here, and let me know I am not the only Musician who's a closet tech/android/computer geek lol
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I'm also a musician/guitarist/vocalist/percussionist/pianist that dabbles in sound engineering. I'm not going to school for that sort of thing, but it's still a huge chunk of my life, and I also spend a lot of time messing around with Android.
You know what I just realized? Girlfriends and nexus devices don't mix. My girlfriend stepped on my N7 and shattered the digitizer. LCD is still good tho. This was about a month ago. I'll replace it myself. Just too busy with my N5
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Device Manager comes enabled by default. You should be able to log into your google account and find the location or lock or wipe the phone from your pc. Just google Device Manager
Look into the app called Cerberus.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lsdroid.cerberus
Flash the hidden version from the following link via a custom recovery:
https://www.cerberusapp.com/download.php
It'll survive a factory reset, email you the info from any unauthorized SIM card someone puts into it (including the phone number, service provider, & subscriber ID), and as long as the phone has service you can still control it (lock it with a pin, ...) through text messages (no internet connection required).
Also, the paid license is valid for up to 4 (maybe 5) devices. I have it installed on my girlfriend's, brother's, mother's, and my phone. As far as those apps go, it's the best I've found.
Better luck in the future
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Don't mean to sound rude, and it's harsh it went missing, but why did you 1. Leave your phone on the table in a public space, and 2. rely on your girlfriend to pick it up? My phone is in my pocket unless it's in my hand or on my work desk. I would never leave it in the open for anyone to take. Maybe I'm just less trusting of those around me but at least you're insurance covered things to an extent. Lesson learnt (I hope)
Same thought here, why would you ever leave your device on the table ? I´m not paranoid, I use a antitheft app just in case I somehow manage to lose my device.
What also seems to help against muggers or similar bad dudes is a rather "ugly" or very plain and simple looking case. A Spigen Slim Armor "smooth black" is a nice case but it also makes your phone look from far away as being a cheap, generic smartphone
EddyOS said:
Don't mean to sound rude, and it's harsh it went missing, but why did you 1. Leave your phone on the table in a public space, and 2. rely on your girlfriend to pick it up? My phone is in my pocket unless it's in my hand or on my work desk. I would never leave it in the open for anyone to take. Maybe I'm just less trusting of those around me but at least you're insurance covered things to an extent. Lesson learnt (I hope)
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[RECENTLY OVERHEARD CONVERSATION IN TIMES SQUARE]
A: Can I borrow your phone?
B: Where's yours?
A: I left it on the table in Starbucks for one second, turned around, and it was gone.
B: Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
A: I only took two steps away!
B: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
A: Shut up!
B: HAHAHA! You freakin' idiot! HAHAHA!
@Silicon Knight - just out of curiosity, did you contact the McD management to see if their cameras picked up anything? If they are unwilling to discuss, file a police report (if you haven't already done so), and get them to review their recordings
I feel like the average person stealing a phone would not know about android device manager and you could track it.
Ps: This isn't Q&A, Help, and troubleshooting problem.