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Hi! New here...
Well, I know this is "common", but, I have a dilemma about what device choice: Moto G - LTE version or Xperia M2 (not dual or aqua, just M2).
About all specs, I know it. Also I checked reviews between those two devices, but still I'm confused about what device choice.
Could you please help me out to choice? In two specific ways, camera and audio system. 'Cause, the rest of this is the same, processor, gpu, screen size is kinda different but I have no worry on this. The things are getting me worried is the camera and the audio system.
I will thank you all of you for the replies and personals opinions.
Regards!
I would take Moto G because of android updates and clean AOSP. Also Xperia M2 is very sensitive about scratches on it's back. Once I got my M2 I installed special protective layer on it.
lozohcum said:
I would take Moto G because of android updates and clean AOSP. Also Xperia M2 is very sensitive about scratches on it's back. Once I got my M2 I installed special protective layer on it.
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Thanks for the reply.
I thought about the confirmed updates for Moto G (Android KK 4.4.4 and Android L), and the scratches, thing I read here before, but, about the technician specs, how does it work the camera? Is so ugly as the reviews says? Or, can it be acceptable? The audio is better than average or still round with the average devices?
Thanks again.
I use KK firmware and camera in my opinion is just good. It's not ugly or crapy.
Depends also on your requirements. It's not Nikon camera though
You should also take into account how well you can hold them, as well as battery time. Personally, the Moto G doesn't sit well in my hand at all. The M2 on the other hand, does. Battery time, M2 seems to be winning, probably because of the lower screen resolution.
As for audio system, according to GSMArena, the Moto G has less noise on the output. I don't notice the noise on my M2 with one pair of headphones, but it's quite audible with some in-ears.
The camera on the 4.3 firmware is bad, 4.4 fixes that. See for yourself.. M2 Aqua is just M2 with KK and water protection, so you can use it to compare 4.3 and 4.4 camera.
One more thing you might want to take into account is that the Moto G is more popular, so the dev scene is much bigger/more active.
I'm rather disappointed about that when it comes to the M2.
lozohcum said:
I use KK firmware and camera in my opinion is just good. It's not ugly or crapy.
Depends also on your requirements. It's not Nikon camera though
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I have a Canon Réflex Camera, so I don't need an excelent camera, but, either way, the camera is one of the important things when you choose one smartphone or another one.
Crim Soukyuu said:
You should also take into account how well you can hold them, as well as battery time. Personally, the Moto G doesn't sit well in my hand at all. The M2 on the other hand, does. Battery time, M2 seems to be winning, probably because of the lower screen resolution.
As for audio system, according to GSMArena, the Moto G has less noise on the output. I don't notice the noise on my M2 with one pair of headphones, but it's quite audible with some in-ears.
The camera on the 4.3 firmware is bad, 4.4 fixes that. -The URL locked by forum-. M2 Aqua is just M2 with KK and water protection, so you can use it to compare 4.3 and 4.4 camera.
One more thing you might want to take into account is that the Moto G is more popular, so the dev scene is much bigger/more active.
I'm rather disappointed about that when it comes to the M2.
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I checked now the difference between Moto G and Xperia M2 (4.4.2 KitKat Firmware), and, the difference is not too much (looking at Xperia M2 Aqua, which, as you say, is theorically the same as Xperia M2 with KK), so, the last thing is the Headphones and their noises. I'm still kinda worried about it.
But until now, I'm thinking about buy the Xperia M2.
Any comments or opinions? I will thank to you.
Regards!
An opinion from who had both. Also I already have newer ones Xperia like Z1 and ZQ; a model made from Z1 to Brazil. The M2 at the first moment seems a compact Z2, like the design, the place where buttons are. Weight is good for the size, also it is thin. I think Sony could do a 5inch screen cause there are too much bars arounding the lcd or if they cut, made more a compact device, like they did with ZQ, made it perfect and confortable. The LCD quality is ok, nothing really to be glad like others Xperia but for a mid from Sony i expected more ppi, it has almost less 100 compared to Moto G. Also the glass i didnt like, keeps too easy dust and fingers prints and it isnt too easy to clean. Camera resolution is awful, i wont comment about the VGA cause dont worth it, so i couldn believe that Sony done that, even that old mobiles like Xperia ARC, X10, they have a much better cam. Really dont understand why Sony made such a dummbie phone. The CPU is good, felt some laggys, nothing really bad but for a quad should make better operations. Volume sound is poor, even with headset, like the equalizer and the multiple options but unfortunatly these couldnt make sounds better. Finally battery isnt nothing especial, mine is with almost 18hours of good usage before a make a new charge cycle. Anyway, my opinions are based that already have the Moto G, a trully competitor and that made really good impressions.
I must really say, anyone claiming the volume is poor should visit a hearing specialist. I keep hearing those claims and to be honest the only thing that comes to mind is that people claiming that are half-deaf.
xpc21 said:
An opinion from who had both. Also I already have newer ones Xperia like Z1 and ZQ; a model made from Z1 to Brazil. The M2 at the first moment seems a compact Z2, like the design, the place where buttons are. Weight is good for the size, also it is thin. I think Sony could do a 5inch screen cause there are too much bars arounding the lcd or if they cut, made more a compact device, like they did with ZQ, made it perfect and confortable. The LCD quality is ok, nothing really to be glad like others Xperia but for a mid from Sony i expected more ppi, it has almost less 100 compared to Moto G. Also the glass i didnt like, keeps too easy dust and fingers prints and it isnt too easy to clean. Camera resolution is awful, i wont comment about the VGA cause dont worth it, so i couldn believe that Sony done that, even that old mobiles like Xperia ARC, X10, they have a much better cam. Really dont understand why Sony made such a dummbie phone. The CPU is good, felt some laggys, nothing really bad but for a quad should make better operations. Volume sound is poor, even with headset, like the equalizer and the multiple options but unfortunatly these couldnt make sounds better. Finally battery isnt nothing especial, mine is with almost 18hours of good usage before a make a new charge cycle. Anyway, my opinions are based that already have the Moto G, a trully competitor and that made really good impressions.
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I must really say, anyone claiming the volume is poor should visit a hearing specialist. I keep hearing those claims and to be honest the only thing that comes to mind is that people claiming that are half-deaf.
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Thanks the two of you, in first place, for you replies and opinions.
Moto G still is better positioned than the Xperia M2 when it comes to sound system and everything related about that. And just one says that the sound is relatively poor. I don't think that Xperia M2 has that bad sound as you say (Personally talking), but, your opinions helps me to choice better. I'm still thinking about buy the Xperia, just because looks better for me (And testing the camera, thanks to the user that put here the url, by the way), and also I can hold it better than Moto G (I held it before, so).
Anyways, more opinions, it'll be better.
Thanks for everything :3
See ya ~
Edit: Could anyone confirm that the screen is so bad? As the user says, the dust is holding in the screen and also the fingerprints gets marked on it. So, is this totally true? Thanks.
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Could anyone confirm that the screen is so bad? As the user says, the dust is holding in the screen and also the fingerprints gets marked on it. So, is this totally true? Thanks.
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I can't really say as I have put a screen protector on it the moment I got it. Same for the back side, btw. The back is not glass, or if it's glass, it's not scratch resistant and scratches easily.
The pixel density is more than enough, however. It's just that people chase after big numbers, so they keep increasing the resolution (and with it, the power drain) with each iteration. Nexus 7 2013 was getting praises for its 1280x800 7" screen back then, and the M2's screen has about the same pixel density.
I think Xperia devices have much better sound quality than other smartphones. I use Koss Porta Pro for music and the sound it very good.
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Edit: Could anyone confirm that the screen is so bad? As the user says, the dust is holding in the screen and also the fingerprints gets marked on it. So, is this totally true? Thanks.
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Yep the screen always looks like the side window of your car after your toddler sat there for 30 minutes while eating a chocolate cookie.
There are however screen foils that have a coating which makes removing those smudges very easy. Look for one with 4H, so they it doesn't spoil so easily.
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I must really say, anyone claiming the volume is poor should visit a hearing specialist. I keep hearing those claims and to be honest the only thing that comes to mind is that people claiming that are half-deaf.
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And i must really say that i still very impressed with people who comes here and dont respect opinions, people who doesnt even have a history here. Imagine what condition u r now cemetery caretaker.
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So, if I state my opinion, I'm not respecting yours? Is your opinion worth more just because you have more posts and thanks? I don't think so.
Guys! Please don't start a fight here. Everyone is helping me out to choice a better device. So, any opinion that you put right here is appreciated.
I don't have interest in disrepect your opinions or even "insult" it.
After reading all the comments, the screen is a trouble, but, solutionable by a protector on the screen. Personally I dislike those things, but, if it's recommended. I will do it.
I will take this phone, 'cause you don't claim too much, just one comment which I took note. Also, the difference between those devices (in my country, at prices, is null, though I have to pay much for Moto G LTE than Xperia M2).
Thanks again to everyone who commented in this topic, maybe if I have another question after I have the phone in my hands.
I don't discard any other comment. A little opinion may help much more.
Regards and don't fight.
PD: Different opinions makes this better to know the troubles and features of this two devices.
I'm not planning to fight, good to hear you decided to go with the M2. Seeing as Sony has released the sources for KK, maybe the development will pick up as well.
Ah, one more thing, there is no dust under my display after 3 months of pocket carrying. Might be a defective phone if that person has dust under theirs.
If you don't want dust getting under the glass, always put your M2 with speaker down, so the jack input is always on top.
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If you don't want dust getting under the glass, always put your M2 with speaker down, so the jack input is always on top.
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Or buy a Xperia M2 Aqua
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Or buy a Xperia M2 Aqua
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Too late. Already bought M2 LTE. And Aqua is not availabe in my country.
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Too late. Already bought M2 LTE. And Aqua is not availabe in my country.
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I was saying that for OP, BTW, Aqua has not been released yet
Hello XDA developers!
I'm posting this because perhaps it can help someone else.
In August 2014 I bought a beautiful shiny Sony Xperia Z, free from factory which means I paid full price and it was great!
(but everything changed when the Fire Nation attacked, it was a joke ).
But, after a little over a day and a half, the screen broke alone in the front pocket of my pants (I confess something tight but had put my cracked Huawei with no problems), it really is not a problem: I had a Huawei with screen without pieces working perfectly fine! The problem is that about 100% of the touch stopped working, making the phone an expensive paperweight.
I could not even take a picture! Everything for what I was use it was for timing a pendulum in my physics class. The most expensive clock that anyone could buy!
Of course, the warranty was conspicuously absent!
Since then I have had to exist with this phone and Genymotion because in college have a smart phone is a necessity (at least where I study).
But now I have the opportunity to purchase a high-end phone and the first thing that came to my mind as a camera flash was Sony (I quote in Spanish: "El ser humano es el único animal, tan animal, que tropieza dos veces con la misma piedra.") Because I'm a Linux / Android developer and Sony launches AOSP kernels and release the source code even before launching the device itself (as with the Z2) leaves to me a good taste in the mouth, especially after being a proud owner of an Xperia Tipo (best smartphone in my life!). The "slow development" is no problem for me, because I am developer for 5 years (although recently I deleted my Gmail account and opened another for personal reasons, thats explains why I'm junior again).
Leaving that aside, is the Xperia Z3 a good choice?
I'm thinking in spend a lot of money (around 2 minimum wage in my country) in a good device but it does not convince me at all, maybe due my trauma with Xperia Z.
As a proud owner of an Xperia Tipo, Sony is amazing, as a defrauded and (fooled?, cheated?) holder of an Xperia Z, Sony sucks.
I post this because maybe someone will feel helped and like me maybe some one indecisive can feel safer to opt in or to run quickly away from Sony.
If the risk is greater than the gain, as the Xperia Z, what are our options? Personally, I look for a device that does not baulk with things like Custom Kernels (as KNOX or locked Bootloaders). Samsung: I'm supposed to own my phone!, right?
Thanks for reading, I hope this is helpful and if it is not, at least I hope it will help someone (even me).
I think of a OnePlus One, I do not care to be brought from China XD. (I've tried to win an invite bu no one love the "inncoent" humor)
Edit: If you think on this, the M8 is a good alternative! In comparison, the "desventage" of the M8 is the waterproof. I can't find any other.
Edit: This was my last phone (this phone is my current phone):
Cracked but fully working Huawey Y320 Arround $60
1. My dog ran and pulled the USB making the phone kiss the ground.
2. Then, I accidentally droped on the College.
3. I was angry cuz it reboot and smashed against the table.
4. Was woking perfectly good till the LCD cracked because I sat on phone.
Z3 is simply amazing but I'd suggest you wait for another 3-4 weeks. The first batch of Z3s are full of manufacturing defects. I had mine for 2 weeks and the black bezel around the screen is damaged. I went to the service center and they asked me to wait another month so that a new batch of phones will be available. Also the camera quality is average. Sony screwed up again in the Superior Auto mode. Manual shots come OK unless there is no bright light around. Speakers are also a bit dull, although I don't use them much. A friend of mine has OnePlus One and it's seriously a flagship killer. But compared to the Z3, OnePlus one looks dull in your hands. Z3 kinda nailed it in design department. So wait, and even if you buy it, just check it in the store itself for any defects. Also don't forget those service tests. Hope it helps.
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Hello XDA developers!
I post this because maybe someone will feel helped and like me maybe some one indecisive can feel safer to opt in or to run quickly away from Sony.
If the risk is greater than the gain, as the Xperia Z, what are our options? Personally, I look for a device that does not baulk with things like Custom Kernels (as KNOX or locked Bootloaders). Samsung: I'm supposed to own my phone!, right?
Thanks for reading, I hope this is helpful and if it is not, at least I hope it will help someone (even me).
I think of a OnePlus One, I do not care to be brought from China XD.
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Knowing that you are a developer, I would definitely say that you should go for xperia Z3 - for personal (rather Z3 community's) interests. Go for z3 dual D6633, and you know why
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Z3 is simply amazing but I'd suggest you wait for another 3-4 weeks. The first batch of Z3s are full of manufacturing defects. I had mine for 2 weeks and the black bezel around the screen is damaged. I went to the service center and they asked me to wait another month so that a new batch of phones will be available. Also the camera quality is average. Sony screwed up again in the Superior Auto mode. Manual shots come OK unless there is no bright light around. Speakers are also a bit dull, although I don't use them much. A friend of mine has OnePlus One and it's seriously a flagship killer. But compared to the Z3, OnePlus one looks dull in your hands. Z3 kinda nailed it in design department. So wait, and even if you buy it, just check it in the store itself for any defects. Also don't forget those service tests. Hope it helps.
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Yeah! maybe buy it right now is not smart enough and, no, sadly there is no such thing like Sony Centre here. Are one, but they can't do anything (they won't replace the phone never!), I mean, I bring them my Xperia Z and they just acused me of abuse. I really can't realize how the best support brand (in my opinion) can made defective devices!
You don't know how many I've suffer because the Z, I give you a breef detail: As I buy the phone in the half of month, I've eating only eggs by 15+ days because I had no enoguh money to buy descent food! So, my trauma is justificated and I'm scared. Ahhh Sony, There are nothing bad for you, but for us the things are turning black. And the sacrifice does not had any value: I never opend the cammera app, I never setted a password, I never changed the wallpaper, I never enjoyed anything the next day I needed Blackboard in the phone but, of curse, I had no phone.
Thank you for your answer.
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...is the Xperia Z3 a good choice?
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You didn't give much away in terms of what you want to do with it. It's a great phone, but if you want a cheaper, larger phone perhaps you could consider the Nexus 6. Also, there's the Z2, S5 and other phones which have been out for a while and are cheaper.
That's not to say I regret getting the Z3; it's the best phone I've ever had, and 4g is amusingly fast, but it's expensive (I got a discount through my employer otherwise I'd probably not have bothered).
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You didn't give much away in terms of what you want to do with it. It's a great phone, but if you want a cheaper, larger phone perhaps you could consider the Nexus 6. Also, there's the Z2, S5 and other phones which have been out for a while and are cheaper.
That's not to say I regret getting the Z3; it's the best phone I've ever had, and 4g is amusingly fast, but it's expensive (I got a discount through my employer otherwise I'd probably not have bothered).
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Yeah! I'ts not about money, cuz the money it's a vanal stuff. I'm afraid about if my inversion, my money will have any value. As I owned a Xperia Z by 1.5+ days, my inversion had no value. If my Z3 crack again, you know, god bye money!
So, the S5 looks fine, the screen cracks but still working!
Thank you for your answer.
As much as I like the Z3, and getting mine replaced due to severe light bleed on right side of frame and slight indent of frame towards LCD near power button. Others have a pink spot issue in camera (Mine has it but very hard to notice), Phonearena even has an article on it. Now reports of fractured back glass are coming in like the Z1.
Better wait for a new batch like someone mentioned.
If you need one right now immediately, the M8 is better as in US HTC offers free one time screen replacement in first 6 months.
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Z3 is simply amazing but I'd suggest you wait for another 3-4 weeks. The first batch of Z3s are full of manufacturing defects. I had mine for 2 weeks and the black bezel around the screen is damaged. I went to the service center and they asked me to wait another month so that a new batch of phones will be available. Also the camera quality is average. Sony screwed up again in the Superior Auto mode. Manual shots come OK unless there is no bright light around. Speakers are also a bit dull, although I don't use them much. A friend of mine has OnePlus One and it's seriously a flagship killer. But compared to the Z3, OnePlus one looks dull in your hands. Z3 kinda nailed it in design department. So wait, and even if you buy it, just check it in the store itself for any defects. Also don't forget those service tests. Hope it helps.
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So is it guaranteed that they will make new batches in 3-4 weeks? Wouldn't they still sell the old batch as they phase in the new? I want one but how long would it take for a new batch? I just want to know how long to wait. Any help is appreciated.
To be honest its hard to say.
I would say avoid it. There's no ROM's for it, and probably won't be until well after the Z4 is released if at all, and they won't be of the level of M8 ROMS. The screen, camera, speakers and design aren't as good as other alternatives, and if you managed to break a Z in your pocket which is a miracle, then this will probably do the same.
I'd get an S5 or an M8, the M8 is probably better for custome ROMS, is better made, has a better screem, speakers and in my book a better camera too, but is not waterproof.
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I would say avoid it. There's no ROM's for it, and probably won't be until well after the Z4 is released if at all, and they won't be of the level of M8 ROMS. The screen, camera, speakers and design aren't as good as other alternatives, and if you managed to break a Z in your pocket which is a miracle, then this will probably do the same.
I'd get an S5 or an M8, the M8 is probably better for custome ROMS, is better made, has a better screem, speakers and in my book a better camera too, but is not waterproof.
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Maybe you are right. It's time to look in other way. The M8 sounds like a great idea. It's sad the stuff about the glass. If the glass were better and the screen worked this phone could be perfect. However, I'm gonna see how the things are changing in the time.
Dont forget the free HTC Advantage Program (USA only), Free cracked glass replacement, in first 6 months and +100GB Google Drive storage for 2 years.
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Dont forget the free HTC Advantage Program (USA only), Free cracked glass replacement, in first 6 months and +100GB Google Drive storage for 2 years.
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Seeing in YouTube looks like M8 camera sucks! How true is this?
I hate it. I'm thinking of getting the z3 because I hate the camera so much. Other than the camera, it's an amazing phone.
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I hate it. I'm thinking of getting the z3 because I hate the camera so much. Other than the camera, it's an amazing phone.
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Don't worry that's what put me off too. I made my dad get it because he is more accident prone and it is one of the best if not the best in drop tests.
Thinking about getting my hands on either the Z3 or the older, bigger brother Z2..
Any suggetions?
Go for Z3.
You would get much better battery life with the Z3
Go for the Z3, better screen and battery life.
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Thinking about getting my hands on either the Z3 or the older, bigger brother Z2..
Any suggetions?
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i'd definitely recommend Z3 over Z2. i had Z1 and i was planning to get Z2 after selling it, then i got Z3 black and its just WOW IN ALL:good:
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i'd definitely recommend Z3 over Z2. i had Z1 and i was planning to get Z2 after selling it, then i got Z3 black and its just WOW IN ALL:good:
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How is the overall feeling and build quality for you guys on the Z3?
@all
I did lay an order request on a white Z3 yesterday. Hopefully it arrives sometime next week!
I think the Z3 recommendations are somewhat gratuitous, in that a newer model will always be a step forward with longer software support. I'm now going to be a complete hypocrite and tell you to buy the Z3, simply because it's brilliant (moreso as root access is available for those with locked bootloaders). Build quality is beautiful to look at, although waterproofing could be more consistent, at least by reference to the forums, and thermal cracks are an issue for some. Anyway, if you can afford it by the handset, some quality tempered glass (front and back) and a reasonable case. I have the copper version, and it's stunning.....
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I think the Z3 recommendations are somewhat gratuitous, in that a newer model will always be a step forward with longer software support. I'm now going to be a complete hypocrite and tell you to buy the Z3, simply because it's brilliant (moreso as root access is available for those with locked bootloaders). Build quality is beautiful to look at, although waterproofing could be more consistent, at least by reference to the forums, and thermal cracks are an issue for some. Anyway, if you can afford it by the handset, some quality tempered glass (front and back) and a reasonable case. I have the copper version, and it's stunning.....
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Thanks for the input!
I did order the Z3 yesterday as stated - the white version, white phones and blacks tablets FTW(!!!) - and I am really prepared for a killer device specs wise
Enjoy it, sure you won't regret it.
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Enjoy it, sure you won't regret it.
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@all
Anyone of you guys that wants to see a specific and dedicated ROM / kernel settings, set-up & tuning thread in the Z3 general section, once I get my hands on my new beast? Check my similar topic in the Z1 General section if it does interest you, guys? =)
Or you could wait for z4 ?
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Or you could wait for z4 ?
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I will buy the Z4 a few months after release, if the price tag is good enough and worth it. And hey.. If it get kickass development support, both original Android dev and regular one..
Considering it's already Feb you are probably better of waiting for the Z4 as it's a much bigger upgrade than the previous two models.
one of the biggest draws of the Z3 is the battery life, and it's unclear whether the enhanced spec of the Z4 will improve on this or not - given the release date may well be later rather than sooner, we could be looking towards the autumn for a rooted Z4 with a locked bootloader (it took nearly four months to crack the Z3 in this aspect).....
I dont get it,how is Battery life on z3 any way better than that in z2?? I mean,z2 has 3200mah battery while z3 has 3100mah
The Z3 screen is more power efficient, though it can reach a max of 800+ nits, also they seemed to have made some other tweaks, that is why the Z3 has better battery life.
See you guys tomorrow, I hope - because I will get my Z3 then!
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See you guys tomorrow, I hope - because I will get my Z3 then!
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first impressions?
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first impressions?
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I am impressed. And this is even on stock and untouched ROM / kernel. I am going to unlock the bootloader today and install a pre-rooted ZIP based on latest firmware and play around with some FauxClock settings / init.d scripts and see how far I can push this device battery & performance wise!
What is your impressions of the Z3?
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I am impressed. And this is even on stock and untouched ROM / kernel. I am going to unlock the bootloader today and install a pre-rooted ZIP based on latest firmware and play around with some FauxClock settings / init.d scripts and see how far I can push this device battery & performance wise!
What is your impressions of the Z3?
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Great to hear that, I haven't upgraded from the z2 as the differences are minimal but yeah I love the design and I don't need to flash another room as the sony UI with nova launcher and root is perfect for me [emoji4]
Hi.
Just wondering if it is worth getting a Z5 now or since I can wait, just wait for the Z6? Are there even any rumors about it yet?
so far I haven´t heard anything about Z6 yet. if you can wait, then wait for Z6, otherwise, go for Z5, i got mine last friday, and already, i really like this device, eventhough in the past i was not fan of sony´s design ( I like more SE design)
I have a Z3 tablet and really love the design and feel of it. It's super thin with great quality and feels solid. I'm hoping the phone will feel the same.
I bought Z5 because my old device was dead. I would wait for Z6 if I had time. IMO, Snapdragon 820 will do much better than S810 especially for heat problem.
Please wait, because WMC on 21st will bring many goodies.
It's better to wait than to regret later.
Rest all upto you. ?
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I'll give you my honest honest advice, not being biased or a fanboy
You should save your money for better device with great support, and huge xda devs
buying a Sony phone is just a waste of money, i'll never again buy a Xperia phone.
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I'll give you my honest honest advice, not being biased or a fanboy
You should save your money for better device with great support, and huge xda devs
buying a Sony phone is just a waste of money, i'll never again buy a Xperia phone.
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Why do you say so? I have recently bought second hand xperia z3 and I love it. I am glad that I finally got rid of my crappy samsung. Also, compared to nexus'es, it is a much better device. Would be nice to hear your opinion though.
To be honest, in a perfect world, I would prefer a Sony Nexus phone. I love Sony's phone designs and would prefer stock Android, but as I can disable most of what is included on the phone I'm just fine with that.
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Why do you say so? I have recently bought second hand xperia z3 and I love it. I am glad that I finally got rid of my crappy samsung. Also, compared to nexus'es, it is a much better device. Would be nice to hear your opinion though.
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It sounds like he's speaking with concern to community developer support, of which Sony devices have relatively little because they're so unpopular compared to other brands like Nexus, Samsung, LG, OPO, etc.
It really depends on what phone you have now. If you've got something that doesn't make you shout curses, then I also suggest waiting for the Z6 or for other brands in general. There're a lot of devices to be announced in the coming months. I'm just waiting for a decent device with a large battery, SD slot, and unlockable bootloader to drop so I can ditch the Z5. I really hope that device is the Z6, but if it's something else, then so be it. The Z5 is not a terrible phone, but I don't think it's worth its retail price—especially in comparison to the Z2 and Z3, which perform just as well or better, and can be bought for much less.
Is always better to wait, but in this case is a +plus because the z5 is a fail
Or if you wait long enough you could get the Z8
The Z5 is a very disappointing phone that comes with an awfully bad firmware. In all honesty, stay away from that phone.
And the support is non-existent too. Sony is amateurish at best in that department. Get something more popular and better, you won't regret.
As a matter of fact I sold my Z5 after 4 months. It sucked
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The Z5 is a very disappointing phone that comes with an awfully bad firmware. In all honesty, stay away from that phone.
And the support is non-existent too. Sony is amateurish at best in that department. Get something more popular and better, you won't regret.
As a matter of fact I sold my Z5 after 4 months. It sucked
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I'm very happy with the stock rom on here compared to the other devices I've owned, Samsung, lg and htc.
Obviously rooting and debloating is still necessary as with all android devices.
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My Z5 is much better than my old Z1.
I have none of the problems the people on this forum claims to have.
Lots of people complains about the battery, but my battery is just fine.
I have a feeling most of the people here have unrealistic expectations on their phone and are pissed at Sony because there's no solution to root without unlocking the bootloader, but the current firmware is just fine.
tl:dr IF you really want a new phone now, go for the Z5 because you won't be disappointed (unless you also have unrealistic expectations).
Otherwise, wait for the WMC 2016 and see if Sony announces Z6
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Phazonclash said:
The Z5 is a very disappointing phone that comes with an awfully bad firmware. In all honesty, stay away from that phone.
And the support is non-existent too. Sony is amateurish at best in that department. Get something more popular and better, you won't regret.
As a matter of fact I sold my Z5 after 4 months. It sucked
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Oi, you said you wouldn't still be on here complaining:
"Take care, see you soon... the good thing is you won't have to "hear" me complain again "
Thoughts on the unveiling of the Blackberry DTEK60. Looks excellent if you ask me: Stockish Android, Front Facing Speakers Small Bezels, finger print scanner on backSnapdragon 820, decent looking battery, and above average camera.
For $500 dollars seems like a great upgrade for Moto X owners looking for a stock android device with front facing speakers.
Thoughts?
Its looks like a amazing device with such potential. But its going to be underestimated and not enough custom roms for it most likely...
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Thoughts on the unveiling of the Blackberry DTEK60. Looks excellent if you ask me: Stockish Android, Front Facing Speakers Small Bezels, finger print scanner on backSnapdragon 820, decent looking battery, and above average camera.
For $500 dollars seems like a great upgrade for Moto X owners looking for a stock android device with front facing speakers.
Thoughts?
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To be honest I don't know if i would go to that. Not knowing the situation with blackberry and they could go down the tubes any time now, updates may be scarce. Worse than Moto or LG hahahaha. Also for that price the Xiaomi Mi* seems like a good phone, but especially the Mix
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Its looks like a amazing device with such potential. But its going to be underestimated and not enough custom roms for it most likely...
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It will most likely receive no third-party ROMs development. The phone will not be rootable as well. Blackberry won't let you do so, at least easily because it would go against their security prowess.
I just bought my Pure for sub-250$ so such a phone for 500 is a no go. I think something along the line of ZTE or the upcoming Xiaomi Mi Mix would be better (even though these phones are very hard to get our hands on).
For the money I would definitely consider an alternative other than blackberry at the moment..lack of modding or rom's would make it a boring 500+ piece of hardware .
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For the money I would definitely consider an alternative other than blackberry at the moment..lack of modding or rom's would make it a boring 500+ piece of hardware .
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Honestly, I used to be a big custom rom guy back in the day, but Android is so great today I have no reason to root or install a custom rom. Just looking for stock android and I'm happy.
I'm curious, what specific customizations are you and others looking for today that warrants rooting and custom roms?
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Honestly, I used to be a big custom rom guy back in the day, but Android is so great today I have no reason to root or install a custom rom. Just looking for stock android and I'm happy.
I'm curious, what specific customizations are you and others looking for today that warrants rooting and custom roms?
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My logic was price wise ,for the same amount of money or less there's alot of options available like Nexus 5x or 6p which by black Friday should be a decent deal and even now and they run stock Andy just as good .if I was to shed out that kind of money it would be for pretty good flagship phone .The blackberrys are intriguing but for the money I would stick with Samsung /HTC /Sony and then Nexus line and as far as modding I'm not too big in it anymore but when the device hit eol and someone makes a stable Cm or paranoid/Aosp rom of current or next Andy build I would jump straight into it .
Sorry, is this post about Blackberry? That Blackberry from Canada? the death company?
500$ ...what???
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My logic was price wise ,for the same amount of money or less there's alot of options available like Nexus 5x or 6p which by black Friday should be a decent deal and even now and they run stock Andy just as good .if I was to shed out that kind of money it would be for pretty good flagship phone .The blackberrys are intriguing but for the money I would stick with Samsung /HTC /Sony and then Nexus line and as far as modding I'm not too big in it anymore but when the device hit eol and someone makes a stable Cm or paranoid/Aosp rom of current or next Andy build I would jump straight into it .
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Yeah the Nexus 6p is an excellent phone, it's just too damn big for me. I can barely handle the Moto X. Looking for a 5.5 inch phone.
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Yeah the Nexus 6p is an excellent phone, it's just too damn big for me. I can barely handle the Moto X. Looking for a 5.5 inch phone.
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Yeah the 6p is huge but just feels and looks like a premium device .My brother has it and nephew has 5x running 7.0 just smoothly .I came from a HTC one m9 and had a nexus 5 so I definitely learned my lesson on phones that cost 500+ .If it not a game changer than I wont spend 500+ when three months done the line some other comes with something better .Heck even one plus phones are good for the money.
With phone options out there with comparable specs in the $400 range, just can't justify getting a BB. For a business wanting a secure phone, it would be a good choice but fit most users, I doubt the extra "security" would really matter. For a tinkerer, this phone is a no go.
Honestly, after having the Alcatel Idol 3, that phone looks almost identical to both the Idol 3 and the Idol 4.