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If I root the latest stock 4.4.2, will I still be able to get future OTA Updates without braking the root or custom recovery, well if root gets lost I can always root it again. Just asking, maybe I won't be able to get OTA Updates at all after rooting but I don't know so that's why I'm asking it here.
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If I root the latest stock 4.4.2, will I still be able to get future OTA Updates without braking the root or custom recovery, well if root gets lost I can always root it again. Just asking, maybe I won't be able to get OTA Updates at all after rooting but I don't know so that's why I'm asking it here.
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Yes!
SWTR said:
Yes!
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Indeed.
KuGeL94 said:
If I root the latest stock 4.4.2, will I still be able to get future OTA Updates without braking the root or custom recovery, well if root gets lost I can always root it again. Just asking, maybe I won't be able to get OTA Updates at all after rooting but I don't know so that's why I'm asking it here.
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The OTA will download but not install. You need stock recovery AND any system file that is updated by the OTA needs to be stock as well otherwise OTA install will fail.
Plenty of threads on XDA speak of this.
If you look at the OTA updater file you will see if uses MD5 (or similar) to check each system file it updates to make sure its as it was originally.
When you root it alters some system files.
Best thing is to install custom recovery and take a backup before rooted. Then root. When you get an OTA just restore backup and flash stock recovery. Then OTA will re-download. Let it install, then flash custom recovery and re-root.
Thanks, well I'll just stay unrooted and make the best out of it, the Moto G is just as amazing as Motorola developed it to be.
No stock recovery it's no need. I updated last ota with Philz recovery without problems.
denzel09 said:
No stock recovery it's no need. I updated last ota with Philz recovery without problems.
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Do you mean you downloaded OTA and flashed manually via recovery. You can do that I agree, but what you can't do is let OTA install naturally the way Motorola intended.
No. I had Philz recovery. System stock partition. Downloaded ota normally, reboot like ota update ask, phone reboots in philz recovery and this last flash ota automatically without any problem. There is not need to reflash stock recovery or flash ota update manually with custom rec, only need a non root stock system partition. I dont know if stock cwm or other rec like twrp work in same way but i doubt, always used only philz recovery.
You do not need stock recovery, I don't know who made this stupid rumour up. I use twrp and it flashes fine.
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Hi all,
I have a rooted Z3 with dual recovery and locked bootloader running firmware 23.1.A.0.690.
Since the OTA to firmware 23.1.A.1.28 is minor, I was wondering if it is possible to flash an update zip file while keeping root and modified recovery.
any idea ?
thanks
benjieb said:
Hi all,
I have a rooted Z3 with dual recovery and locked bootloader running firmware 23.1.A.0.690.
Since the OTA to firmware 23.1.A.1.28 is minor, I was wondering if it is possible to flash an update zip file while keeping root and modified bootloader.
any idea ?
thanks
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Modified bootloader? Do you mean unlocked? If so then you cannot do OTA, is says so explicitly on the Sony site about unlocked bootloaders. But you can make a backup in recovery, flash a stock FTF of that version (System only) then just flash back your custom kernel (Before booting the phone) and restore data from a backup
If you mean locked bootloader then you can OTA, if its a small update then the chances are it wont format system so you will keep root, but if its a large file the chances are it will format system then re-install it so you will lose root.
Just flash a pre-rooted version of the updated ROM in recovery
Sorry, i meant keeping root and modified recovery (not bootloader).
My bootloader is locked indeed and i am on stock kernel.
So, to your point, i should be safe upgrading minor OTAs?
If so can I anticipate sony's rollout of the OTA and flash the update zip? And where can it be found?
Thx
benjieb said:
Sorry, i meant keeping root and modified recovery (not bootloader).
My bootloader is locked indeed and i am on stock kernel.
So, to your point, i should be safe upgrading minor OTAs?
If so can I anticipate sony's rollout of the OTA and flash the update zip? And where can it be found?
Thx
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Maybe.... it all depends on whether or not the OTA formats system and reinstalls it. If it a minor update they may not do that so root and recovery (Which is in system for locked bootloaders) are not deleted.
Its a gamble...
to be 100% safe, you will need to get a prerooted flashable zip and flash it
Hmmm... Ok, but upgrading with a prerooted zip involves flashing a full rom not just the update right?
I am ok with that but would rather save the hassle.
Thanks for the advise
Hi,
Happy to report back that OTA process went smooth.
I am now running 23.1.A.1.28 and still have full root & dual recovery!
benjieb said:
Hi,
Happy to report back that OTA process went smooth.
I am not running 23.1.A.1.28 and still have full root & dual recovery!
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Benjieb,
Sorry friend but it was not clear to me... you updated via OTA and keep the root?
Yes that's right. I fixed the typo in my last post.
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Yes that's right. I fixed the typo in my last post.
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How do you do it? I mean,you were stock .690 berofe ota?you delete anything of stocks apps??because i test to do the ota update but at the end of processus it's says "verrification impossible" and i saw somewhere that's if we touch or delete stock apps we can't ota ....ans if possible,nobody van do a flashable ZIP with just ota update????
I was stock indeed, and you are right playing with system apps probably prevent OTAs.
That's why I deactivate system apps rather then delete them.
I guess you will have to do a full rom flash.
I'm on stock ROM rooted. Updated to. 28 via OTA just only. Root access still available!!
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No possible to create a flashable ZIP with just ota update???it will be wonderfull
I believe this is just minor update. So lucky for me haha
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I've only had two phones prior to this but I have always unlocked the boot loader / rooted the device / installed a custom recovery / installed custom ROMS.
I believe with my MOTO X 1st gen this disabled the OTA updates.
Is that the case with the Honor 8? I'm wondering if it is worth it to install TWRP at this point as there seems to be so little in the way of kernels and ROMS.
Would I still be able to use SU or Xposed modules without Root?
What is the best move with this phone?
I have unlocked my bootloader as well as rooted my Honor 8. The only way to get SU and Xposed is by doing both of these procedures(root involves getting TWRP).
As for any Xposed modules, I tried amplify+greenify but instead of getting better battery life, my standby time decreased significantly. I am not sure why, but for some reason my Cell standby was showing to be eating a ton of my battery. Another big problem was that the dialer app would not let me call anyone, it kept crashing whenever I tried to. Both problems were fixed after I managed to get amplify+greenify uninstalled. Currently I am just running YouTube AdAway and MinMinGuard which seem to work fine.
So at this point, is it worth unlocking bootleader, installing TWRP, and rooting your phone? Well if there are certain Xposed modules that you really want then sure, and if there are certain apps you like that require root, then yes go ahead and root your phone. Note that if you try any OTA updates, you will have to remove TWRP as having your phone automatically restart and try to install the update wont work.
Imagine that the Honor 8 receives an update to say, Nougat, what is the pathway to update for someone who has rooted their phone. Will the OTA be able to be flashed if a .zip is provided here? Would we need to flash an entirely new ROM?
This is what I faced with my MOTO X. When Marshmallow came out there was talk... but no one was working on the at phone any longer so was never able to update.
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Imagine that the Honor 8 receives an update to say, Nougat, what is the pathway to update for someone who has rooted their phone. Will the OTA be able to be flashed if a .zip is provided here? Would we need to flash an entirely new ROM?
This is what I faced with my MOTO X. When Marshmallow came out there was talk... but no one was working on the at phone any longer so was never able to update.
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It doesnt matter whether or not your phone is rooted. You will get updates the same way, through OTA. Of course you can find .zip files to flash(although personally I am struggling to get the latest update flashed through TWRP).
The real question is for how long will we be receiving updates? Nougat is pretty much guaranteed with the new EMUI update. Huawei/Honor has promised up to 2 years of updates from what I have heard, but who knows what that actually means. They have also have a "partnership" with XDA, and the phone is decently popular so I am sure there will be a few roms, just not as many as say a OP3.
Why are people trying to flash via TWRP if the OTA updates still work after rooting and unlocking the boot loader?
pairustwo said:
Why are people trying to flash via TWRP if the OTA updates still work after rooting and unlocking the boot loader?
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Okay so I just figured it out, but for the OTA update to work after rooting and having a non-stock recovery, you need to go to Settings->Updater->Menu(located on the bottom)->Download latest full package.
The full package is ~1.6GB and the regular update is ~280mb. The full package will work even if you have TWRP installed. But if you want the regular 280mb update, you need to get rid of TWRP and go back to a stock recovery.
Of course you will need to reinstall TWRP and root your phone again after doing this update.
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Okay so I just figured it out, but for the OTA update to work after rooting and having a non-stock recovery, you need to go to Settings->Updater->Menu(located on the bottom)->Download latest full package.
The full package is ~1.6GB and the regular update is ~280mb. The full package will work even if you have TWRP installed. But if you want the regular 280mb update, you need to get rid of TWRP and go back to a stock recovery.
Of course you will need to reinstall TWRP and root your phone again after doing this update.
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I see the full package but I cant click on this, nothing is happened when I click on this.
Nas42O said:
I see the full package but I cant click on this, nothing is happened when I click on this.
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I am not sure what you mean. Do you mean you can see the text "Download latest full package" but it is greyed out? If so please check to see if you arent currently at the latest version. If there is another problem, you might want to try to find a .zip of the full package and flash it that way.
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I am not sure what you mean. Do you mean you can see the text "Download latest full package" but it is greyed out? If so please check to see if you arent currently at the latest version. If there is another problem, you might want to try to find a .zip of the full package and flash it that way.
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Yes , not greyed , but red color , and cant click on this .
I downloaded a full update of B31 about 1.77giga , just copy to the phone and flash it in twrp ?
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Yes , not greyed , but red color , and cant click on this .
I downloaded a full update of B31 about 1.77giga , just copy to the phone and flash it in twrp ?
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The exact latest update that I currently have is FRD-L04C567B150. I am not sure where you got your update but I suggest you just flash back to a complete stock image and try to update again from there.
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The exact latest update that I currently have is FRD-L04C567B150. I am not sure where you got your update but I suggest you just flash back to a complete stock image and try to update again from there.
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its normal , you live in India no ?
i'm live in European country , so update are different .. Last update for us is FRD-L04C432B130
Nas42O said:
its normal , you live in India no ?
i'm live in European country , so update are different .. Last update for us is FRD-L04C432B130
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No I am in the US. I am not sure about the EU version, but yes if you can find a .zip update file just put it on your phone and go into TWRP to install it. Might wanna make a backup too and wipe cache too just in case.
So if i download the full package in update and install it, bootloader will still be open? No full wipe? And later i only need to install twrp and root the phone again?
Palindrom87 said:
So if i download the full package in update and install it, bootloader will still be open? No full wipe? And later i only need to install twrp and root the phone again?
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Updating or wiping your phone does not lock the Bootloader. The only way to lock the Bootloader again is by doing it manually yourself.
Yes after doing a full update you will need to reinstall TWRP as it will be replaced with the stock recovery and then re-root your phone again.
Rakeen70210, you sound really confident about doing full updates after rooting. Will these full updates also replace the kernel?
palendrome87 and NAS420 could you guys report back with any success or errors you have flashing full updates?
Where can one download full updates for Honor 8?
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Rakeen70210, you sound really confident about doing full updates after rooting. Will these full updates also replace the kernel?
palendrome87 and NAS420 could you guys report back with any success or errors you have flashing full updates?
Where can one download full updates for Honor 8?
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Seeing as how the full update package was ~1.65GB in size, I think its ok to assume that it replaces everything with the stock Honor 8 image. So yes it will replace the kernel too.
For downloading full updates, the only way I got mine was an OTA directly from the phone itself. Look at my previous comments to see how I got this update. If for some reason you cant update, check if your model is ready for an update. If it is and you cant update, try to flash back to a stock image. You should be able to find one on this site or anywhere else.
Flash stock recovery will lock boot loader ?
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Flash stock recovery will lock boot loader ?
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No, the only way to lock the bootloader is to manually lock it yourself using a similar operation to unlocking it.
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No, the only way to lock the bootloader is to manually lock it yourself using a similar operation to unlocking it.
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I thought the same thing, but after taking the full OTA update my bootloader was locked again. If you want to update I would suggest first making a full backup to the external SD card in TWRP.
Then , its better to download à full update ( update.zip) ,copy to root of the phone , reboot in twrp and flash it ? Anyone already did it ?
I rooted my Nexus 6P when I purchased however a few months ago, something happened which kind of messed up my root. I can't remember now exactly what it was (maybe I updated OTA) however when I run Root checker, I get the message "Sorry! Root access is not properly installed on this device". Also Titanium Backup complains about my device not being properly rooted.
The strange thing is, my banking apps complain that my device is rooted and don't give me the full functionality
Also, my phone always downloads monthly updates, but I haven't been able to install since around June. It has now downloaded Android 7.1.1 and after trying to install this morning, it just booted into TWRP.
I'm after 2 things..
to have a properly rooted phone again
to have Android 7.1.1 installed
What's the best way for me to achieve this? What's actually happened to my phone? I would like to achieve the above 2 things with zero data loss if possible
5aq1b said:
I rooted my Nexus 6P when I purchased however a few months ago, something happened which kind of messed up my root. I can't remember now exactly what it was (maybe I updated OTA) however when I run Root checker, I get the message "Sorry! Root access is not properly installed on this device". Also Titanium Backup complains about my device not being properly rooted.
The strange thing is, my banking apps complain that my device is rooted and don't give me the full functionality
Also, my phone always downloads monthly updates, but I haven't been able to install since around June. It has now downloaded Android 7.1.1 and after trying to install this morning, it just booted into TWRP.
I'm after 2 things..
to have a properly rooted phone again
to have Android 7.1.1 installed
What's the best way for me to achieve this? What's actually happened to my phone? I would like to achieve the above 2 things with zero data loss if possible
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If you are talking about stock OTA updates, that doesn't work on rooted devices.
To do stock OTA updates you need to remove root, you need stock recovery instead of custom recovery and you need to have an unmodified system partition.
Flash your stock firmware then update then root again after all updates are installed.
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Droidriven said:
If you are talking about stock OTA updates, that doesn't work on rooted devices.
To do stock OTA updates you need to remove root, you need stock recovery instead of custom recovery and you need to have an unmodified system partition.
Flash your stock firmware then update then root again after all updates are installed.
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Ok thanks for the reply...
So if I don't want to do the stock update, then how do i fix my root first of all?
After I fix my root - Can i perform an update to 7.1.1 via a non-stock method? ie. download the update somehow and flash via ADB or install via TWRP?
5aq1b said:
Ok thanks for the reply...
So if I don't want to do the stock update, then how do i fix my root first of all?
After I fix my root - Can i perform an update to 7.1.1 via a non-stock method? ie. download the update somehow and flash via ADB or install via TWRP?
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As I said, flash your original stock firmware, then apply any stock updates that you want and THEN root. The 7.1.1 OTA is a stock update.
YOU CAN'T APPLY STOCK UPDATES WHILE YOU ARE ROOTED AND YOU CAN'T DO STOCK UPDATES IN CUSTOM RECOVERY.
Or you can flash stock firmware to fix the device, then install root and custom recovery again and then if you want to flash a CUSTOM 7.1.1 you flash it in recovery but you can't apply the stock 7.1.1.
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Thanks... And in both cases, i shouldn't lose my data because my bootloader is unlocked already from when i originally rooted... Is that correct?
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As I said, flash your original stock firmware, then apply any stock updates that you want and THEN root. The 7.1.1 OTA is a stock update.
YOU CAN'T APPLY STOCK UPDATES WHILE YOU ARE ROOTED AND YOU CAN'T DO STOCK UPDATES IN CUSTOM RECOVERY.
Or you can flash stock firmware to fix the device, then install root and custom recovery again and then if you want to flash a CUSTOM 7.1.1 you flash it in recovery but you can't apply the stock 7.1.1.
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Thanks... And in both cases, i shouldn't lose my data because my bootloader is unlocked already from when i originally rooted... Is that correct?
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Thanks... And in both cases, i shouldn't lose my data because my bootloader is unlocked already from when i originally rooted... Is that correct?
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I'm not sure about that. Flashing something that upgrades or downgrades bootloader usually wipes data.
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Hi to everyone, i'm currently on European rom version, bootloader is unlocked, phone is rooted and i have twrp installed. I have received OTA updates but I am unable to install them with twrp.
I would like to update my phone but I do not want to lose my data if possible. I Googled around and I realized that in order to install the update I must have the stock recovery, unless there is another way which I do not know, as I am not very familiar with these things.
I have looked everywhere and I cannot find the img file for the stock recovery, so I would appreciate if somebody could provide it, as it will probably be helpful for others as well.
recovery from RMX3370GDPR_11_C.07
RMX3311 said:
recovery from RMX3370GDPR_11_C.07
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Thank you so much for providing the stock recovery. Would you know if it is different for previous versions of the rom?
What Fw is on your GT Neo2?
Enter *#6776# in the Dialer and post the Screenshot or tell me your Fw.
To install OTA updates you have to unroot first, after the update you can root again, with the "boot.img" of the new Fw.
RMX3311 said:
What Fw is on your GT Neo2?
Enter *#6776# in the Dialer and post the Screenshot or tell me your Fw.
To install OTA updates you have to unroot first, after the update you can root again, with the "boot.img" of the new Fw.
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Unfortunately two hours ago my phone fell down when i was biking and was smashed by a passing car. The irony is I was worried about not loosing my data and now the phone is damaged beyond repair. I will see if I can find a used one since I can not afford a new one. Thanks again for your help.