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S-Off Walkthru

I can't seem to find a good walkthru or video for getting s-off. I know the facepalm method seems pretty staright forward, but I haven't found a good walkthru or video of what exactly to do in order. Can any of you that have done this give a quick detailed run down of what is required and how you did it?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1179735&d=1344782533
Download that that will be your adb fastboot set.
Place the one x.zip in that folder and EXTRACT the s off zip in there
Now plug your phone in open a command prompt within the folder or navigate to it
Now just copy paste the commands

a box of kittens said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1179735&d=1344782533
Download that that will be your adb fastboot set.
Place the one x.zip in that folder and EXTRACT the s off zip in there
Now plug your phone in open a command prompt within the folder or navigate to it
Now just copy paste the commands
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Nice @a box of kittnes.
It seems to me most people have 2 problems with s-off - downloading the android sdk (which has adb and fastboot) and following the instructions exactly as provided. Once you have adb stuff sorted, read the instructions 3 or 4 times then follow them. It sounds complicated, but if you go one step at a time it's really quite simple.

louslugger15 said:
I can't seem to find a good walkthru or video for getting s-off. I know the facepalm method seems pretty staright forward, but I haven't found a good walkthru or video of what exactly to do in order. Can any of you that have done this give a quick detailed run down of what is required and how you did it?
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If you really need a walkthrough or video for this method, you're not ready to root and be s-off. There is some other stuff out there that warrants some handholding, but this method is about as straightforward as it gets. Just follow the instructions exactly and you should be okay.

iElvis said:
If you really need a walkthrough or video for this method, you're not ready to root and be s-off. There is some other stuff out there that warrants some handholding, but this method is about as straightforward as it gets. Just follow the instructions exactly and you should be okay.
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Hate to be like that but its 100% true... I'm not a noob but I'm not a veteran... It LITERALLY took me less than 2 minutes including boot animation lol. Its super simple, and the op of the s-off thread shows the tutorial and directions to a T.
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Anyone know why I can't flash rom's other than viper after soff? Tried ruu, tried downgrade touch panel still can't flash anything but viper and it's updates.
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i use twrp 2.3.3.1 and dont have trouble flashing roms with that version. i'm probably moving over to new cwm now that it is official. whenever changing recovery always "fastboot erase cache" then rewipe cache inside recovery.

Zonen said:
Anyone know why I can't flash rom's other than viper after soff? Tried ruu, tried downgrade touch panel still can't flash anything but viper and it's updates.
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This question has nothing to do with the OP of this thread. Start a new thread.

iElvis said:
If you really need a walkthrough or video for this method, you're not ready to root and be s-off.
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I'll +1 that as well. Aside from getting adb setup, its super simple, just 8 short lines of typing. And if you want to do mods on your phone, you should be at least a little familiar with adb, anyway. adb can be a real life saver, if you get yourself into a jam.
If aspects of the method are not familiar to you, its much better to just read and learn before starting the process. Videos and step-by-step guides seem convenient. But they often cause more problems then the solve. They tell you enough just to get you into trouble. Then if/when you get into a jam, you don't have the knowledge or tools to get yourself out.

Is it alright to root the device before unlocking boot loader later?

So I've read the tutorials by Chainfire and Chronium. I really don't have any need to flash a custom ROM at the moment but root access is pretty much a necessity for me with any device. I plan on using Chainfire's auto-root to root my phone. However, is it alright to have my phone rooted on stock ROM and later down the road when I'm ready for a custom ROM to unlock the bootloader and load TWRP? Or will I run into trouble? The only reason I ask this is because after reading Chronium's tutorial in the stickies, he first goes through the process of unlocking the boot loader and loading a custom recovery and THEN goes into the option of rooting. Does it matter if I root before unlocking boot loader? Coming from the g2x, I never had to mess with the boot loader unlocking so I'm a little nervous about this. Thanks for the help.

You cannot root without unlocking the bootloader
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So chanfire's auto root won't work unless I unlock the boot loader first?
Or will cf-auto-root also unlock my boot loader?
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I recommend this way http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2507905
Better just to get it over with now incase you want to load different ROMS later
When you unlock the bootloader it wipes everything!
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Pain-N-Panic said:
So chanfire's auto root won't work unless I unlock the boot loader first?
Or will cf-auto-root also unlock my boot loader?
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I don't know will it? use link above

Pain-N-Panic said:
So chanfire's auto root won't work unless I unlock the boot loader first?
Or will cf-auto-root also unlock my boot loader?
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It will unlock the bootloader...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2507211
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Sweet, appreciate your input rootSU. I read this from the auto-root thread, "CF-Root is meant to be used in combination with stock firmwares, and be the quickest and easiest way for your first root." If I feel like flashing a custom ROM....will this rooting method be sufficient?

Pain-N-Panic said:
Sweet, appreciate your input rootSU. I read this from the auto-root thread, "CF-Root is meant to be used in combination with stock firmwares, and be the quickest and easiest way for your first root." If I feel like flashing a custom ROM....will this rooting method be sufficient?
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Need a custom recovery to install/flash any roms.

Yeah I'm aware of that. I was just wondering if this root tool-kit will provide me with problems down the road. Either way I decided to go ahead and just root,unlock and install TWRP all manually through ADB and fastboot.

If you ever want to root or ROM later, unlock the bootloader now. All root methods require this. If you relock, then in the future you'll have to wipe your phone.
But it's OK to leave your phone with stock rooted and stock recovery as long as the bootloader is still unlocked. If later you ever lose root or need to install custom recovery from outside the OS, you can do it in fastboot.

cmstlist said:
If you ever want to root or ROM later, unlock the bootloader now. All root methods require this. If you relock, then in the future you'll have to wipe your phone.
But it's OK to leave your phone with stock rooted and stock recovery as long as the bootloader is still unlocked. If later you ever lose root or need to install custom recovery from outside the OS, you can do it in fastboot.
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This is exactly what I plan on doing. In the process now actually. Just unlocked boot loader now I'm installing custom recovery and then rooting the device...I figured since I got the phone 2 days ago I might as well do this now and wipe the device since I barely have anything on it at the moment.

any root toolkit can/will provide issues at some point. the biggest issue will come because you dont learn anything from it. many newbies that use root tool kits later cant/dont know how to preform basic maintenance and later think they bricked their device. in reality, for any nexus device, its easiest to do things the proper way instead of a root toolkit. for any nexus this is the procedure..
1. fastboot oem unlock via fastboot. this unlocks the bootloader.
2. fastboot flash a custom recovery.
3. flash the su binaries(supersu) with your new custom recovery.
4. reboot and enjoy.
this is it for ANY nexus device.

This is why I am opposed to toolkits in principle. They encourage people to tinker without first educating themselves, and without knowing exactly what they're doing. My philosophy is to educate oneself about things like adb, fastboot, android partitions, etc. before you start tinkering. Learn the basic principles, learn the commands, learn how to troubleshoot. You don't have to be a computer scientist to use these tools. The knowledge is invaluable and should you run into any problems during the course modding, you'll most likely be able to fix them on your own without having to come on here and beg for help. There is more than enough information at your disposal on these forums to educate yourself. It's true, these forums aren't as easily searchable as a search engine or encyclopedia, but the information is here and accessible as long as you do a little digging. While it will require more effort now than using other people's canned solutions, it will pay off in the long run.

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simms22 said:
any root toolkit can/will provide issues at some point. the biggest issue will come because you dont learn anything from it. many newbies that use root tool kits later cant/dont know how to preform basic maintenance and later think they bricked their device. in reality, for any nexus device, its easiest to do things the proper way instead of a root toolkit. for any nexus this is the procedure..
1. fastboot oem unlock via fastboot. this unlocks the bootloader.
2. fastboot flash a custom recovery.
3. flash the su binaries(supersu) with your new custom recovery.
4. reboot and enjoy.
this is it for ANY nexus device.
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BirchBarlow said:
This is why I am opposed to toolkits in principle. They encourage people to tinker without first educating themselves, and without knowing exactly what they're doing. My philosophy is to educate oneself about things like adb, fastboot, android partitions, etc. before you start tinkering. Learn the basic principles, learn the commands, learn how to troubleshoot. You don't have to be a computer scientist to use these tools. The knowledge is invaluable and should you run into any problems during the course modding, you'll most likely be able to fix them on your own without having to come on here and beg for help. There is more than enough information at your disposal on these forums to educate yourself. It's true, these forums aren't as easily searchable as a search engine or encyclopedia, but the information is here and accessible as long as you do a little digging. While it will require more effort now than using other people's canned solutions, it will pay off in the long run.
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Agreed
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You guys make me happy!
The amount of people on xda who are advocates for staying away from toolkits have increased greatly the past two years. I no longer see as many "omg i bricked my phone!!1" posts as I did before. I can imagine it's because of users like you who spread the word and show new members that adb and fastboot aren't difficult to use and that actually learning how to use them will be beneficial.
I just wanted to say thank you! That is all.

It's for the reasons listed above that I went ahead and unlocked the device and installed twrp with fastboot, then flashed the super user zip with my new recovery. Appreciate all the input. I'm now happily rooted
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That is not true. Framaroot would like a word with you. Not for n5 though.
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samflorin said:
That is not true. Framaroot would like a word with you. Not for n5 though.
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That is not true. Framaroot would like a word with you. Not for n5 though.
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What's not true?
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Beat me

Xda app at its best. It is not true that you cannot root without unlocking the bootloader. There was a quote there somewhere but got lost.

samflorin said:
Xda app at its best. It is not true that you cannot root without unlocking the bootloader. There was a quote there somewhere but got lost.
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Actually it is true. You must unlock the nexus 5 bootloader to root
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[Q] Made the switch

Hey guys as you can tell I made the switched after I had and unfortunate issue with my previous phone. Pretty much the act of god and stupid me I didnt have insurance on it so I had to start a new line and fork over the 220$ price tag, but anyways. I got the phone last night, and it's an amazing phone. For some reason i always been afraid to try out HTC. For some reason seemed to complex to me, but after I did more research it actually isn't.
I have a few questions and maybe I can get some help:
1) I follow root junky on youtube, and pretty much watched all his videos on the Verizon M8. From my understanding after reading through the forums that firewater will not work on newer m8 models, and that I would have to pay 25$ and get sunshine. This true about firewater? I had seen a few post about people saying it works, and more saying that it wont. I do have the newest sense 6, and and the update came to the phone.
2) I also noticed about the temporary root access apk, and that with a phone reboot it resets itself. So if i do the root and then obtain the root and use titanium back up that actually resets also?
3) I went threw the forum again about water proof/ dust proof, drop proof cases. Anyone here have one or used one and what do you think?
4) Lastly if I do the sunshine is that considered full root, and then I can add twrp through flashify, and then roms if I decide to go that route?
Thanks in advance,
the_rooter

Firewater is working on some people's still. It depends what hardware the phone has for some reason. So your process to root and soff will be, following the threads here.
Use weak sauce to temp root, download SuperSU after, do not open the app or anything. Don't try and update binaries or anything.
Then use firewater, using the correct directions, there's 3 different sets if I recall. Just pick the right one that is for using weak sauce root.
Then if firewater works great, you'll be soff and unlocked. If not, buy sunshine and run it. Then you'll get soff and unlocked.
You'll then get rid of SuperSU and uninstall weak sauce app as well.
Then flash a recovery. I'd suggest fastboot flashing it, but I guess flashify would work. But you'll already have fastboot working if you tried firewater so might as well flash twrp with fastboot.
Once you have your recovery, download the latest SuperSU zip found here in chainfires thread and flash it in twrp. Then reboot and you will be permanent rooted. Then you can flash all the Roms or whatever you want.
Hope that helps.

silver04v said:
Firewater is working on some people's still. It depends what hardware the phone has for some reason. So your process to root and soff will be, following the threads here.
Use weak sauce to temp root, download SuperSU after, do not open the app or anything. Don't try and update binaries or anything.
Then use firewater, using the correct directions, there's 3 different sets if I recall. Just pick the right one that is for using weak sauce root.
Then if firewater works great, you'll be soff and unlocked. If not, buy sunshine and run it. Then you'll get soff and unlocked.
You'll then get rid of SuperSU and uninstall weak sauce app as well.
Then flash a recovery. I'd suggest fastboot flashing it, but I guess flashify would work. But you'll already have fastboot working if you tried firewater so might as well flash twrp with fastboot.
Once you have your recovery, download the latest SuperSU zip found here in chainfires thread and flash it in twrp. Then reboot and you will be permanent rooted. Then you can flash all the Roms or whatever you want.
Hope that helps.
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Did anyone find out the difference in hardware the phones that work, and is there a way to check on that or no?

the_rooter said:
Did anyone find out the difference in hardware the phones that work, and is there a way to check on that or no?
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No, you just try firewater. It really is easy. And if it works great, if not, no big deal. It will tell you, whelp, this won't ever work for your device is it fails. Then just use sunshine. Just read the how to threads and it really is simple. Droidmodderx on YouTube has a couple videos that are Verizon specific that may lend a hand too.

silver04v said:
No, you just try firewater. It really is easy. And if it works great, if not, no big deal. It will tell you, whelp, this won't ever work for your device is it fails. Then just use sunshine. Just read the how to threads and it really is simple. Droidmodderx on YouTube has a couple videos that are Verizon specific that may lend a hand too.
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I just paid the 25 dollars and now I am root free s off and twrp
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Check out the 2 other posts many get firewater to work using superuser with weaksauce app instead of supersu. Check out the two other posts below first is the main one.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2787587
http://forum.xda-developers.com/ver...firewater-s-off-fail-bottle-chugging-t2821691

I got it up and running. Right now trying gpe
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Roefastford said:
Check out the 2 other posts many get firewater to work using superuser with weaksauce app instead of supersu. Check out the two other posts below first is the main one.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2787587
http://forum.xda-developers.com/ver...firewater-s-off-fail-bottle-chugging-t2821691
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After getting s off I am on a custom rom and recovery question is. If I wanna do S-OFF I JUST run sunshine again correct? I can just keep doing that back and forth?
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the_rooter said:
After getting s off I am on a custom rom and recovery question is. If I wanna do S-OFF I JUST run sunshine again correct? I can just keep doing that back and forth?
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Once your s-off you will stay s-off unless they release an update ota and it can affect s-off and you flash it, in that case sunshine is supposed to work for your device once again. Just dont flash any new update until you know for sure that it wont affect s-off.

the_rooter said:
After getting s off I am on a custom rom and recovery question is. If I wanna do S-OFF I JUST run sunshine again correct? I can just keep doing that back and forth?
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Pretty sure once you're s-off, you're s-off until you restore s-on. Flashing a custom rom won't change the secure write status.
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the_rooter said:
After getting s off I am on a custom rom and recovery question is. If I wanna do S-OFF I JUST run sunshine again correct? I can just keep doing that back and forth?
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Once your soff and custom recovery there is no need to complete this process again your done with it. You can flash ROMs in recovery if you don't like it.. Wipe and load something else : )
Edit.... Lol two of you beat me to the answer...

thunderbls said:
Once your soff and custom recovery there is no need to complete this process again your done with it. You can flash ROMs in recovery if you don't like it.. Wipe and load something else : )
Edit.... Lol two of you beat me to the answer...
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Thanks guys for the answers I don't plan on s-off just thinking more about if and when it comes time to sell to someone. Right now I am using gpe rom and it's running great.
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[Q] N5 Root, is it a good Idea?

So I have always rooted my phones in the past.
I rooted my Samsung Galaxy S2 because well, it needed KitKat and Samsung is lame...
Now I am faced with the decision to root or not to root. My N5 is awesome it has Full support and is the raw experience I want, rooting would let me have a little more fun in the way of mods and tweaks, but all the problems everyone seems to be having is kinda putting me off so I guess I just need help.
Also there is a difference between unlocking boot loader and rooting, does the unlocking void warranty?

All guides and info threads are linked in my signature and will answer almost all your questions
I'm not sure of all these "problems" you're referring to. Basically, idiots have the most problems. Normal people don't really have any
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rootSU said:
Basically, idiots have the most problems. Normal people don't really have any
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this. i have been rooted since day one and have ZERO problems.

I think this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=54746284&postcount=8
Applies here too, what do you think, @rootSU?

Right. Root doesn't modify files that can cause an issue assuming you're doing it right. I'd highly recommend NOT using a toolkit and rooting yourself and unlocking the bootloader yourself, it assures nothing goes wrong and you get some experience.
rootSU's guide are a treasure trove of information, take a looksie.

unlocking the bootloader lets you flash a custom recovery to flash things, it has nothing to do with root. you can flash any roms or kernels you want, without root. all root does is give you permission to change system files. and you would flash the root zip in your new recovery once you unlock the bootloader.

simms22 said:
unlocking the bootloader lets you flash a custom recovery to flash things, it has nothing to do with root. you can flash any roms or kernels you want, without root. all root does is give you permission to change system files. and you would flash the root zip in your new recovery once you unlock the bootloader.
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So would unlocking the boot loader void the warranty?

Spectrys said:
So would unlocking the boot loader void the warranty?
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depending on who you bought it from, yes and no. but anyways, you can lock the bootloader after as well, easily. generally, google will still except warrenty if the bootloader is unlocked for any hardware issue. other companies will void the warrenty, including LG. but again, it can be relocked

simms22 said:
depending on who you bought it from, yes and no. but anyways, you can lock the bootloader after as well, easily. generally, google will still except warrenty if the bootloader is unlocked for any hardware issue. other companies will void the warrenty, including LG. but again, it can be relocked
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So would unlocking allow me to do things like mods, such as rings and boot screens?
Sorry kinda new to boot loaders.

Spectrys said:
So would unlocking allow me to do things like mods, such as rings and boot screens?
Sorry kinda new to boot loaders.
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yup. anything that needs to be flashed will go through your custom recovery, which needs an unlocked boitloader to get flashed onto your device. then youll use that recovery to flash things, and make backups.

Spectrys said:
So would unlocking allow me to do things like mods, such as rings and boot screens?
Sorry kinda new to boot loaders.
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Unlocking the bootloader is a requirement in order to use a custom recovery. And most mods are installed by flashable zips in recovery. So yes kind of required.
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Awesome! You guys are great I am going to unlock later today or tomorrow.
Now next question the ota updates will I be able to install those if I keep stock with an unlocked boot loader?

Spectrys said:
Awesome! You guys are great I am going to unlock later today or tomorrow.
Now next question the ota updates will I be able to install those if I keep stock with an unlocked boot loader?
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If you click the link in my signature, theres a thread about ota. All guides and info is there. Every question you've asked today is answered there
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Pretty sure you told me that earlier, thanks.
Looking at it now.

Spectrys said:
Pretty sure you told me that earlier, thanks.
Looking at it now.
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Yepp. Loads of good stuff there
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sure
root is best thing to do . just root and install custom kernel

MohamedHusseinMohamed said:
root is best thing to do . just root and install custom kernel
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you do not need root to install custom kernels
all you need root for is to change system files. well, that's all root does, is give you permission.

Spectrys said:
So I have always rooted my phones in the past.
I rooted my Samsung Galaxy S2 because well, it needed KitKat and Samsung is lame...
Now I am faced with the decision to root or not to root. My N5 is awesome it has Full support and is the raw experience I want, rooting would let me have a little more fun in the way of mods and tweaks, but all the problems everyone seems to be having is kinda putting me off so I guess I just need help.
Also there is a difference between unlocking boot loader and rooting, does the unlocking void warranty?
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You have to unlock the boot loader in order to root. Personally at this time I would not root because of android L around the corner. With rooting, you can longer receive ota's. Yes it fun to tweak but if I were in your position I wouldn't....
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dec1153 said:
With rooting, you can longer receive ota's.
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Not true. You can receive OTA's if rooted (read the OTA help-desk thread) However, what's the big deal about OTA's?
1) You can get a rooted rom flashed based on the latest build BEFORE you get the OTA
2) Much less to go wrong that way than with OTA.
I think too many people put too much importance in OTA updates. Its a poor method of delivery and not even quick

rootSU said:
Not true. You can receive OTA's if rooted (read the OTA help-desk thread) However, what's the big deal about OTA's?
1) You can get a rooted rom flashed based on the latest build BEFORE you get the OTA
2) Much less to go wrong that way than with OTA.
I think too many people put too much importance in OTA updates. Its a poor method of delivery and not even quick
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Personally, I think that if you don't know how to update manually and are completely reliant on OTAs, then you shouldn't have root access in the first place because you don't know what you're doing.

Sunshine question...

If I run the sunshine program I know it will unlock and s-off my device but will it also give me permanent root without having to do anything else? I'm not looking to change my recovery, I just need gesture control and ad - block along with a couple other apps I need root for. I have no intentions of flashing any roms. Thanks.

I don't believe it will give you permanent root right off the bat. It will allow you to flash a custom recovery like TWRP which will then allow you to flash the supersu.zip that will give you permanent root. You would only need to change the recovery once to flash said zip and then if you wanted you could flash back to the stock recovery.

beeper10 said:
If I run the sunshine program I know it will unlock and s-off my device but will it also give me permanent root without having to do anything else? I'm not looking to change my recovery, I just need gesture control and ad - block along with a couple other apps I need root for. I have no intentions of flashing any roms. Thanks.
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Jcase actually mentioned he had a tool you could use to get root without flashing a custom recovery. You'd have to use it after sunshine, but if you're interested take a look at his irc channel and ask him there. If you buy sunshine he'd probably give you access to it. Then you don't even have to bother flashing a recovery.
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Thanks for the replys.

BadUsername said:
Jcase actually mentioned he had a tool you could use to get root without flashing a custom recovery. You'd have to use it after sunshine, but if you're interested take a look at his irc channel and ask him there. If you buy sunshine he'd probably give you access to it. Then you don't even have to bother flashing a recovery.
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Ah, see I didn't know that he had said that. Thanks for the additional info

Ok hopefully I don't get jumped for asking a dumb question but : I just went to the IRC Web page and logged in but have absolutely no idea how to talk or ask a question - there's nowhere for me to write anything. How the heck do I use the site?