hello there. Is ASUS tf 101 capable of streaming games (using limelight for example) smoothly? I'm thinking to buy a IPEGA 9023 controller since it can fit Asus tf 101 perfectly,but I wonder if Asus tf 101 itself is good enough to stream games. since I upgraded into katkiss 4.4.3 I have been having issues with youtube videos (lag) so maybe it's not strong enough to stream games?
Short answer is no.
I tried using mine for this purpose and it's far from being decent, even at 720p @30fps. The decoding delay is about 400ms on top of a lot of stuttering and dropped frames/packets. It's impossible to play any action games. Not sure why or if it can be improved, but sadly it does not work well.
As a comparison, my nexus 4 can handle [email protected] fps fine and can somewhat do [email protected], going to 60fps it cannot keep up either. You also need a serious router to handle it as well, 5GHz band and very close to it.
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Well, had the thing for a few weeks, and I just can't find a reason to keep it. I wanted to stream videos from the net - but I can't as it stutters and doesn't play 720p smoothly at all (Not Youtube), and the amount of tablet software is pretty woeful to be honest.
Unless someone can persuade me to keep it, I will have to say byebye... and I am quite sad about that
And no... I'm not getting an iPad either
Do some searching, this question comes up all the time.
My 2 cents is that if you want a table for playing videos the iPad2 is your best choice.
You will have to wait but for video the archos tabs seem to be really good and they are easily unlockable. The next generation is gonna be released soon and the specs look good.
Kaltern said:
Well, had the thing for a few weeks, and I just can't find a reason to keep it. I wanted to stream videos from the net - but I can't as it stutters and doesn't play 720p smoothly at all (Not Youtube), and the amount of tablet software is pretty woeful to be honest.
Unless someone can persuade me to keep it, I will have to say byebye... and I am quite sad about that
And no... I'm not getting an iPad either
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Have you updated to latest firmware?
720p works fine. Mkv with ac3 audio won't play audio in stock player but will in moboplayer or dice player.
jerrykur said:
Do some searching, this question comes up all the time.
My 2 cents is that if you want a table for playing videos the iPad2 is your best choice.
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I am not disparaging the ipad, it is a very well built device that IF it does what you want is a great choice, however you're recommending it for 720p playback when it doesn't even have a 720p display.
I don't want an iPad mainly due to lack of Flash - I have various sites I use with flash video streaming and the TF simply cannot play any of them - and I have rooted and tried Revolver 2.1.2, which is great - but makes no difference to flash videos.
MKV video plays fine btw - that's not what I was after
I'm thinking the next gen of tablets may be worth waiting for - the current crop simply are not up to the task - and simply seem to be made to contend with the iPad 2 - which isn't exactly a great choice anyway.
mine streams fine, better than my ipad, i watch tv shows and films no problem over wifi, even on a slow 1mb connection, try istreamnet.net and see if they stream using the standard player.
Kaltern said:
I don't want an iPad mainly due to lack of Flash - I have various sites I use with flash video streaming and the TF simply cannot play any of them - and I have rooted and tried Revolver 2.1.2, which is great - but makes no difference to flash videos.
MKV video plays fine btw - that's not what I was after
I'm thinking the next gen of tablets may be worth waiting for - the current crop simply are not up to the task - and simply seem to be made to contend with the iPad 2 - which isn't exactly a great choice anyway.
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if what you are having an issue with is flash video then I would suggest installing the hack that enables hardware acceleration. A quick search will turn it up. Flash is pig, it's nice to have support for it but flash is really suited only for real PCs and it will never be a real priority for tablets.
so i was hoping that ICS would fix all the mkv issues since on my galaxy nexus every mkv i have plays perfectly.
but sadly that is not the case. MX and BS players are the best and only lag when theres a lot of things going on, like the final battle in thor.
anyway, my mkvs are all that high baseband or whatever, and i haven't bothered redoing them, or trying to convert them because i was hoping that ICS would actually allow them to play.
now that it hasn't, i guess it's finally time to convert them all so i can play them.
so i'm asking for help for a program that will allow me to convert all of these so that they can actually play on the transformer, but without any loss of quality, or any increase in file size. currently they're all around 7GB.
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This is probably not the exact answer you're looking for but you can read this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1060825
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Use DicePlayer, supports hardware decode
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@curti: not sure if that will do what i want, but i'll give it a shot. i'll try anything at this point.
@nxt: DicePlayer is unable to play high profile 720p mkvs on the transformer without lag. This is true in all versions of honeycomb and in ICS. and ICS makes it even worse. Only players that are even somewhat watchable are MX and BS, and both still lag.
quick smart arse answer- stop whining, recode your goddam videos and accept the fact that the Tegra 2 chip is and always will be underpowered to play mkv's.
question: who the hell wants to play mkv's on a 10inch tab anyway, get a TV.
bob dylan said:
quick smart arse answer- stop whining, recode your goddam videos and accept the fact that the Tegra 2 chip is and always will be underpowered to play mkv's.
question: who the hell wants to play mkv's on a 10inch tab anyway, get a TV.
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if you bothered to even read my original post, i asked how to recode them.
And i want to play mkvs on a 10 inch tab because i can't carry around a tv to school or on an airplane, and my tab has an HDMI out that i can plug it into a TV to play said videos.
also make sure you have the tegra 2 plugin for dice player, works fine for avi and mkv on ICS.
I use xenonmkv to transcode. It leaves the video alone but repacks the video and audio in a mp4 format. More tegra2 friendly.
720p mkv should play natively on ics as of now.I got them playing though I encountered an issue with audio not working with the stock app.
@bob dylan: i have the tegra2 plugin installed. dice lags so bad everything is unwatchable.
@pongo: sounds like an idea. any changes in file size? my mkvs are around 7gb, i don't want them to get any bigger.
@DarkLG: not sure how your able to play them, myself and many others are unable to get them to work properly on any player.
Use handbrake to recode ur vids , soo many options so i betting ull find 1 that works for you
ive been using the high profile option in handbrake and i havnt had a issuse yet..
Ligerblue said:
Use handbrake to recode ur vids , soo many options so i betting ull find 1 that works for you
ive been using the high profile option in handbrake and i havnt had a issuse yet..
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that defeats the purpose of this thread.... even a Galaxy S1 can decode high profile 720p MKV with dice player and stock, there should absolutely be NO reason why a asus transformer on a duo-core can't process 720p mkvs when a single core can.
encoding a video takes too much time and it shouldn't be necessary.
zephiK said:
that defeats the purpose of this thread.... even a Galaxy S1 can decode high profile 720p MKV with dice player and stock, there should absolutely be NO reason why a asus transformer on a duo-core can't process 720p mkvs when a single core can.
encoding a video takes too much time and it shouldn't be necessary.
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actually zephik, my original post was asking how to reencode them to get them to work. so he was right in what he said.
I do agree with you though, there is no reason why the transformer can't do it other than issues in honeycomb and ICS. my galaxy nexus can play even do 1080p videos without any issues, but i'd much rather watch things on a 10" screen instead of a 4.6"
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there should absolutely be NO reason why a asus transformer on a duo-core can't process 720p mkvs when a single core can.
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neok44 said:
I do agree with you though, there is no reason why the transformer can't do it other than issues in honeycomb and ICS. my galaxy nexus can play even do 1080p videos without any issues, but i'd much rather watch things on a 10" screen instead of a 4.6"
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Why the hell you keep comparing Tegra 2 with Nexus's TI OMAP cpu assisted with PowerVR GPU? Despite same Cortex-A9 "base" architecture those are totally different CPU/GPU systems. All you see is that marketing bull**** with "CORES! Ghz!"?!
Tegra 2 is missing SIMD-instructions block needed to succesfully decode high profile/high bitrate h264 video in hardware accelerated mode. And you have nothing to do with it. Point.
And talking about high bitrate - 7GB sized videos looks like 9-10Mbps video stream for regular 1h40m movies. Thats way too high for Tegra2. Its upper limit is somewhere near 5Mbps. And preferable Main Profile encoded.
But if you want - you can continue complaining and comparing your TF with nexus or whatever you want. Thats pointless.
So the bottom line is - reencode.
You can find Handbrake profile on this forum, for example. Or try to find best acceptable settings yourself.
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Why the hell you keep comparing Tegra 2 with Nexus's TI OMAP cpu assisted with PowerVR GPU? Despite same Cortex-A9 "base" architecture those are totally different CPU/GPU systems. All you see is that marketing bull**** with "CORES! Ghz!"?!
Tegra 2 is missing SIMD-instructions block needed to succesfully decode high profile/high bitrate h264 video in hardware accelerated mode. And you have nothing to do with it. Point.
And talking about high bitrate - 7GB sized videos looks like 9-10Mbps video stream for regular 1h40m movies. Thats way too high for Tegra2. Its upper limit is somewhere near 5Mbps. And preferable Main Profile encoded.
But if you want - you can continue complaining and comparing your TF with nexus or whatever you want. Thats pointless.
So the bottom line is - reencode.
You can find Handbrake profile on this forum, for example. Or try to find best acceptable settings yourself.
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i think the reason why people, myself included, assumed that is because the tegra2 was being shown off as being capable of playing HD video, which, it is, but just not all hd video, and not the most common form of it, in the high profile.
i do thank you for giving a technical reason though. i had always been under the impression that the tegra is simply the most powerful out there, when i got my Gnex, that was proven very wrong.
i've been looking into the reencoding, as well as reripping. and thanks to a few good posters i have some good setups. Now just to setup my laptop and hopefully that will be powerful enough so it doesn't take 20 hours to do one movie.
So I have yet to receive my shield and I have been trying to figure this out. I know games stream at 30 fps to the shield which is nonsense considering onlive can do 720p at 60fps on a remote connection. But thats not my question here, my question is what about the nvidia specific games? IE not games that run through steam but games that nvidia officially support, do those stream at 30fps as well or do they stream at 60fps (or anything smoother than 30).
The only supported game I have is Skyrim but my copy of Skyrim is modded in a way that I can't use the default launcher making it unsupported.
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The only supported game I have is Skyrim but my copy of Skyrim is modded in a way that I can't use the default launcher making it unsupported.
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Damn, thanks for taking the time to reply. Hopefully someone else can put some input on this. I really find it disappointing that games are capped at 30 fps and I hope its just because its still in beta. Hopefully someone else can shed some light on this and test a supported game for us.
edit: Found my answer.
"I can confirm that EVEN the "nvidia optimized" games don't run anywhere near 60fps, 30fps is what I'm guessing. Hence the whole reason this thread was started. I have "tested" Skyrim, Borderlands 2, Portal 2, Dishonored, Arkham City, Tomb Raider, and Left for Dead 2. All titles seem to be running at (or around) 30fps. All of these titles were running at 60fps (v-sync on), on my PC. I've also tried with v-sync OFF with all games, and at 720p, most games are running 100-200 fps. Same result on Shield. 30fps."
https://forums.geforce.com/default/...hield-while-pc-streaming/3/?offset=38#3888916
God that is just nonsense, hopefully nvidia allows us to stream at 60 later on and this just turns out to be a beta limitation.
I have an ATI card sadly so I can't stream with my Shield, but I used Onlive for precisely one month on my Xperia Play and my PC, and it looked like utter ass to be frank. Dreadful to look at, just muddy, low res-like, smeary. This was like 4 months back. It may technically be streaming in 720p but it looked like crap. The Nvidia streaming looks much, much better from what I've seen in live reviews. 60 frames may be coming to Shield in the future, my point is just that it seems to look alot better than Onlive did for me on other devices.
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I have an ATI card sadly so I can't stream with my Shield, but I used Onlive for precisely one month on my Xperia Play and my PC, and it looked like utter ass to be frank. Dreadful to look at, just muddy, low res-like, smeary. This was like 4 months back. It may technically be streaming in 720p but it looked like crap. The Nvidia streaming looks much, much better from what I've seen in live reviews. 60 frames may be coming to Shield in the future, my point is just that it seems to look alot better than Onlive did for me on other devices.
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Thanks for the reply and input on onlive, I did not know this as I never personally tested onlive. I do however have good news we were contacted on that exact same thread I linked earlier and a moderator on the forum confirmed they are working on getting us 60fps streaming!
I already have a android hp touchpad i use for web browsing but i want a hd 16:9 10 inch tablet for watching my tivo hd mpeg2 videos on. It seems to me if i can find a tf101 for around or under $100. This may be a great value for that. Even though ill only be using the tablet to watch my own videos i dont believe there are video playing tablets like the old archos that would be any cheaper and have such a high quality ips screen as the tf101? So when looking on ebay for tf101's do i need ro ask the buyer anything so i know its compasible with android?
Pretty much, make sure it is a TF101 and that it is in good condition/boots.
I would HIGHLY recommend you research rooting it and installing Android 4.2 or Android 4.3 (stock is still on 4.0.3 and probably will be forever). It plays 720p videos perfeclty smoothly with MX Player. The only issue I have had is mkv files with DTS encoded audio. I am not sure about the TiVo files, but I would doubt they have DTS audio in them by default.
I want a 1080p 10 inch tablet mostly for watching mpeg2 1080i shows i download from my TiVo. I had picked up a refurb tf700 but returned it because it played my mpeg2's a little choppy. Also it was only giving me 2 hrs of playback with brightness all the way up. If i were to root and overclock tf700 would i get acceptable smooth mpeg2 hd playback? Wondering if i should pick up a used tf700 for around $275 or spend $350 for memo fhd. Can anyone who's used both compare for me. Most important to me is how the screen/picture looks. Black level. Battery life. Which looks better out doors? I know memo has more ram but i dont do much multi tasking so if interface is a little slower its not a big deal. Memo cpu uses different 86 architecture, not sure what that will mean. I dont game on tablet either