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An Honest rant from an android lover:
So the GSIII was announced today and my first reaction when I saw the pictures was “oh god please let this be a joke” (P.S you’ll hear me comparing the GSIII to the One X a lot in this post, but that is because that’s another top dog of android right now.) This is my opinion about the GSIII. Yes it is true I do not have the device, but this is my reaction to the press shoots.
Some of the things that ticked me off the most:
The super ugly looking camera on the back, I don’t care much it freaking looks like a pebble. It’s my phone, not a freaking rock use to throw at someone. The GSII camera looked great; the nexus S camera look great, even the galaxy nexus camera look pretty decent. That freaking ugly looking lump of cancer just looks horrible. Take a look at the HTC one X camera; it looks great even if it sticks out a bit. Putting the speaker phone next to the camera? Seriously? I understand symmetry is important but that is just stupid (and did I mention it looks ugly?).
The long home button is a disaster. I don’t need a long home button; my fingers are not that fat. That thing sticks out like a sore thumb, an ugly cancer ridden sore thumb.
No on screen buttons
I never understood the point of soft touch buttons. Ever since I got my first android device I question the point of soft touch buttons. It’s not like one can physically feel them. From what I understand, why anyone would put soft touch keys in the days of 4.0 is to increase the usable screen size. But you screwed that up too. What is up with that space between the button and the screen? That just adds to the length of the phone. The One X has soft keys, but its evenly spaced and not a mile away from the screen. It also doesn’t stick out its home button.
That plastic looking shell is ugh… god save me. If HTC can do polycarbonate shell, why can’t you Samsung? Huh?
Everything an android specs geek loves in an ugly shell.
microSD, removable battery, NFC, Quad core processor, wireless charging, big screen with 720p display, thin and light weight. It’s (almost) everything anyone can ask for, but dammit Samsung the thing is ugly.
I never thought I would be the one to hate on the GSIII. As a proud owner of the Galaxy Nexus, I’m truly disappointed.
The camera isn't that ugly. It's alright.
I do agree on the spacing of the home button. It's just to much space that could have been removed or used for screen size
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1633599
No need for a new thread, there's plenty of righteous hatred here already
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It seems like the comic sans of the phone world to me. Its rounded and ugly. The power button is awkwardly placed on top. The genius button is useless. The other buttons (home/menu/back) shouldn't be tactile buttons at all, are we going backwards? (I guess some of you like it..) the only features I actually like are the front facing camera, and the Alt/Shift indicator lights on the hardware keyboard. And don't get me started on the camera LEDs. There's TWO of them, they should be ten times brighter, when I'm fumbling around at night id like a strong flash light in my pocket. Is it absolutely nessecary to have that ugly appauling "8mp camera" nonsense on the battery door? Gah. I'm literally buying a powermat and the appropriate battery door just so I don't have to look at that eyesore. The whole experience just seems cheap. I guess I'm just butt hurt that my G2 kicked the bucket and I was forced into this phone.
Anyone else? Sorry for my rant.
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Supovitz said:
I'm just butt hurt that my G2 kicked the bucket and I was forced into this phone.
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I am with you 100% on this statement. I hate this phone. I fear I'm going to have to stray from HTC... and I don't like that.
Yes I hate my doubleshot with a passion.
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Come on, it's not that bad. I quite like it, it's been about a year or so now, I'm getting used to it. Some of the drawbacks you mentioned can be fixed by looking around on XDA. I miss my G2 at times, but still, I'm fairly happy with the Doubleshot, apart from the fact that HTC kind of skimped on RAM, and that it'll never see stock ICS.
still best in its category
I just don't get how people complain about this phone.
Sliders are becoming obsolete (HTC has said they are not making any more).
Let's look at it objectively. If you have this phone it means you wanted a slider and are on T-Mobile (or you got it as a replacement for an older slider that broke - then you really lucked out not having to pay for an upgrade!).
I personally bought it brand new 6 months ago for $370 (no tax or shipping) and use it with Simple Mobile's $40 everything (2.5G) plan.
For that moderate cost I am getting the perfect form factor (in my opinion) just a little too heavy. A good dual core processor, above average camera, decent screen and a sliding keyboard.
While I wouldn't have minded a slightly larger screen, this is really the best of both worlds. I leave my screen locked in portrait most of the time and it is a great size for one handed use. Then I can slide out the keyboard (mine has decent feedback, the keys are very legible, and Blue made a zip to turn the menu etc keys into direction keys) and type two handed or just use it in landscape for browsing etc. It is also easy to turn the genius button into a regular search button.
I love the track pad (and track pad wake), the fact that I can go directly to camera with shutter button (which many phones lack altogether) and also unlock by sliding open the phone.
As for ROMs I just left ICS splashed to CM9 ICS Alpha 5 and am having a great time.
I have 2 Anker batteries and charger which cost about $28.
What more could you ask for? In fact - liking the slider - where could I go from here?
I biggest, and really only, qualm with the phone is the keyboard itself.
ymmp said:
I just don't get how people complain about this phone.
Sliders are becoming obsolete (HTC has said they are not making any more).
Let's look at it objectively. If you have this phone it means you wanted a slider and are on T-Mobile (or you got it as a replacement for an older slider that broke - then you really lucked out not having to pay for an upgrade!).
I personally bought it brand new 6 months ago for $370 (no tax or shipping) and use it with Simple Mobile's $40 everything (2.5G) plan.
For that moderate cost I am getting the perfect form factor (in my opinion) just a little too heavy. A good dual core processor, above average camera, decent screen and a sliding keyboard.
While I wouldn't have minded a slightly larger screen, this is really the best of both worlds. I leave my screen locked in portrait most of the time and it is a great size for one handed use. Then I can slide out the keyboard (mine has decent feedback, the keys are very legible, and Blue made a zip to turn the menu etc keys into direction keys) and type two handed or just use it in landscape for browsing etc. It is also easy to turn the genius button into a regular search button.
I love the track pad (and track pad wake), the fact that I can go directly to camera with shutter button (which many phones lack altogether) and also unlock by sliding open the phone.
As for ROMs I just left ICS splashed to CM9 ICS Alpha 5 and am having a great time.
I have 2 Anker batteries and charger which cost about $28.
What more could you ask for? In fact - liking the slider - where could I go from here?
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The G2/Desire Z has all those features. Slide, shutter button, ect. When mine finally died (the ribbon cable inbetween the screen and keyboard slideout worn out from sliding) I did my research and was excited that there was a dual-core out there with similar/better specs.
I went from the G1, to the G2 and now the MT4GS and there's a clear difference. I think HTC dropped the ball with overall quality with this one.
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Supovitz said:
The genius button is useless.
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Well, by default it turns your device into a hands free object - paired with a bluetooth headset you can do anything with your phone while it's in your pocket.
I don't like nor use the genius function, and so in my rom changed what the key does to the default search function it usually is on a smart phone.
You could do the same with yours, and swap out the function of the button to anything else you want.
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The other buttons (home/menu/back) shouldn't be tactile buttons at all, are we going backwards? (I guess some of you like it..)
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This was a bonus for me, I don't like the flat keys on the screen, but rather prefer the tactile feel of the button press. The LG knockoff of this device has the flat buttons and i'm glad HTC went with the choice they did. Yea, count me in the 'like it' camp
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And don't get me started on the camera LEDs. There's TWO of them, they should be ten times brighter, when I'm fumbling around at night id like a strong flash light in my pocket.
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This is controlled directly from within the kernel source. Making it brighter is simply changing one variable and compiling - you can go as bright as you want.
Buddy of mine has an HTC inspire, and we noticed his flashlight was brighter by a little bit, and he was getting all "finally found something my phone does better then you" for a bit - well, I found the line in kernel source that determines that and tweaked it.
Hah, it was so funny, we were in a garage one night and needed a flashlight, so of course he pulled his out and started talking smack on mine to the other two of our friends there. He told me to pull mine out and show them, and I refused a couple of times, until he started talking smack on me for not showing them.
Fine, I said, and pulled it out. I tapped the flashlight app, and you'd think the damn sun just came up and fell on the driveway behind us. It was pretty funny and I was giggling about it for a couple of weeks. Now I just harass my friend over his flashlight
Supovitz said:
I guess I'm just butt hurt that my G2 kicked the bucket and I was forced into this phone.
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Sorry to hear that man - it doesn't matter what you were given, if it wasn't another G2 you'd hate it, and find reasons to hate it, because you weren't through yet with a device you had come to love.
I get it, and feel for you.
Definitely hold onto the slide, it'll grow on you and you'll find you really like it - but in the meantime, why not look into finding a cheap used G2 to help you make the transition?
I am sure you could find one that's in good shape for not too much money if you hunt around a little, craigslist and ebay and such - might even find someone floating around XDA with one to sell.
The only thing I really "hate" about this phone is the fact that it's not going to get ICS. Why is Google standing for HTC just giving up on an Android phone like that? The specs are comparable to anything released today. I just don't get it.
Keyboard is not that great, sure, but nothing that conjures hatred aside from the ICS stuff.
Blue6IX said:
Well, by default it turns your device into a hands free object - paired with a bluetooth headset you can do anything with your phone while it's in your pocket.
I don't like nor use the genius function, and so in my rom changed what the key does to the default search function it usually is on a smart phone.
You could do the same with yours, and swap out the function of the button to anything else you want.
This was a bonus for me, I don't like the flat keys on the screen, but rather prefer the tactile feel of the button press. The LG knockoff of this device has the flat buttons and i'm glad HTC went with the choice they did. Yea, count me in the 'like it' camp
This is controlled directly from within the kernel source. Making it brighter is simply changing one variable and compiling - you can go as bright as you want.
Buddy of mine has an HTC inspire, and we noticed his flashlight was brighter by a little bit, and he was getting all "finally found something my phone does better then you" for a bit - well, I found the line in kernel source that determines that and tweaked it.
Hah, it was so funny, we were in a garage one night and needed a flashlight, so of course he pulled his out and started talking smack on mine to the other two of our friends there. He told me to pull mine out and show them, and I refused a couple of times, until he started talking smack on me for not showing them.
Fine, I said, and pulled it out. I tapped the flashlight app, and you'd think the damn sun just came up and fell on the driveway behind us. It was pretty funny and I was giggling about it for a couple of weeks. Now I just harass my friend over his flashlight
Sorry to hear that man - it doesn't matter what you were given, if it wasn't another G2 you'd hate it, and find reasons to hate it, because you weren't through yet with a device you had come to love.
I get it, and feel for you.
Definitely hold onto the slide, it'll grow on you and you'll find you really like it - but in the meantime, why not look into finding a cheap used G2 to help you make the transition?
I am sure you could find one that's in good shape for not too much money if you hunt around a little, craigslist and ebay and such - might even find someone floating around XDA with one to sell.
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This is exactly how a dissagrement post should look like. Thanks for being civil and expressing your opinion in a humorous manner. :highfive:
I have my Genius button remapped to instantly power off my device. and I knew there had to be some way to increase the brightness, I'll have to do some more digging. heh. :fingers-crossed: Thanks bro!
I too am not overly happy with the mt4gs. This is the replacement i was offered for my G2. The keyboard isnt as nice or it just takes some getting used too. BUT...... Im moving on. Asurion called me about an hour ago to follow up on the replacement phone. After i politely told them i was not happy with it, i was asked what they could do to fix this. I asked them if i could swap the phone for something different. He made a few offers of phones i was not familiar with. Then I asked about the amaze or sensation, he seemed to lean away from the sensation. I settled on the amaze, but did ask about the new s one. He said that would be too much of an upgrade to try and do. So my amaze will be here tomorrow.
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... and I knew there had to be some way to increase the brightness, I'll have to do some more digging. heh. :fingers-crossed: Thanks bro!
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My dev computer is a couple hundred miles away in another state, but if I remember right it's in arch/arm/mach-msm/board-doubleshot.c
Somewhere there is a block of code that deals with flash leds, should be [0] and [1] to represent both led lights. You will be able to set the max brightness.
The stock battery issues with this device are the reason HTC was conservative, maybe overly so, with every line of code on this device. Everything is programmed well under spec.
Pretty sure that was the only code you have to mess with, been a while, but that should be it.
Blue6IX said:
My dev computer is a couple hundred miles away in another state, but if I remember right it's in arch/arm/mach-msm/board-doubleshot.c
Somewhere there is a block of code that deals with flash leds, should be [0] and [1] to represent both led lights. You will be able to set the max brightness.
The stock battery issues with this device are the reason HTC was conservative, maybe overly so, with every line of code on this device. Everything is programmed well under spec.
Pretty sure that was the only code you have to mess with, been a while, but that should be it.
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Ok so I'm in that file and in reference to flashlight all I'm seeing is a 1. Also I see a .low_cap-limit 30 is that battery power the flash for camera cuts off at
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strapped365 said:
Ok so I'm in that file and in reference to flashlight all I'm seeing is a 1. Also I see a .low_cap-limit 30 is that battery power the flash for camera cuts off at
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I got curious and pulled the original source release - in that file around line 3039 (as far as gedit says, anyways) is the block I was thinking of.
Not sure with the most current source release, I haven't caught up yet. This little netbook I picked up for small stuff on the road bigger then the phone can handle would melt if I tried to compile, so haven't pulled that from HTC yet - it may be different in the most current source release.
Here is what I was looking at:
Code:
static struct pmic8058_led pmic8058_flash_leds[] = {
[0] = {
.name = "camera:flash0",
.max_brightness = 15,
.id = PMIC8058_ID_FLASH_LED_0,
},
[1] = {
.name = "camera:flash1",
.max_brightness = 15,
.id = PMIC8058_ID_FLASH_LED_1,
},
};
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I had printed out every .c file in mach-msm to physical paper and read it like a book when kernel source was released, so I have little remnants of everything floating around in my head - i just looked back at the file and saw what you meant about the flashlight reference. In this case, though, the intensity for the light was covered around the camera stuff, guess they thought it would be easier that way.
Blue6IX said:
I got curious and pulled the original source release - in that file around line 3039 (as far as gedit says, anyways) is the block I was thinking of.
Not sure with the most current source release, I haven't caught up yet. This little netbook I picked up for small stuff on the road bigger then the phone can handle would melt if I tried to compile, so haven't pulled that from HTC yet - it may be different in the most current source release.
Here is what I was looking at:
Code:
static struct pmic8058_led pmic8058_flash_leds[] = {
[0] = {
.name= "camera:flash0",
.max_brightness = 15,
.id= PMIC8058_ID_FLASH_LED_0,
},
[1] = {
.name= "camera:flash1",
.max_brightness = 15,
.id= PMIC8058_ID_FLASH_LED_1,
},
};
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I had printed out every .c file in mach-msm to physical paper and read it like a book when kernel source was released, so I have little remnants of everything floating around in my head - i just looked back at the file and saw what you meant about the flashlight reference. In this case, though, the intensity for the light was covered around the camera stuff, guess they thought it would be easier that way.
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Ok so I just found them. Would 30 be an increase there
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Personally I loved my G2. Great phone, aesthetically awesome. Great quality, besides the spring slide issue. BUT. I have to say although there are some places I would prefer improvement on the MT4GS. It's not a bad phone.
It is a slide for one, maybe keyboard wise not as good as the G2 but still. A slide nonetheless which there are little Android devices that still keep the feature. Another thing? It's a dual-core, certainly not a huge deal but still it'll keep the phone in the game for quite a bit. Uses the S3 with the Adreno 220 which are more than capable CPU and "GPU" in their own regard. Both hold up to the specs of the G-Note.
IDK, maybe that's me but we have many capable devs working hard on ICS, certainly not stock ICS but still ICS nonetheless. Hopefully HTC releases a One series version that will replace the G2 or the MT4GS.
I love this device . I always liked the mytouch line my favorite was the MT4G but this phone is excellent . Ive dropped it soooo many times and it keeps on going . The wider focal length of the camera makes for great pictures . the only thing I dont like is the keyboard and the lack of feedback when a button is pushed.
other than that? Doubleshot is great . Im not going to buy another phone till this one dies
I got the phone as a replacement for my G2 after I went through 4 or 5 of them in a month. The MT4GS isn't a bad phone, but I liked the G2 more. I'm actually thinking about selling this phone and just buying a Galaxy Nexus from Google.
I came from a G1, so this phone is epic. But after working for a connection center, I was spoiled. I've used almost every phone that's came out within the last 18 Months. WinPhone, BlackBerry, iOS, etc.... So I grew to dislike this phone, but not hate it. But it's the only good QWERTY. So I stay with it, I need a QWERTY. Sure the G2 has a nice KB, but why do I want do have a slower phone?
Also a side note. After working as assistant manager, and looking at the sales reports. We never sold any Doubleshots in the 18 months I worked there.
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AgentCherryColla said:
I came from a G1, so this phone is epic. But after working for a connection center, I was spoiled. I've used almost every phone that's came out within the last 18 Months. WinPhone, BlackBerry, iOS, etc.... So I grew to dislike this phone, but not hate it. But it's the only good QWERTY. So I stay with it, I need a QWERTY. Sure the G2 has a nice KB, but why do I want do have a slower phone?
Also a side note. After working as assistant manager, and looking at the sales reports. We never sold any Doubleshots in the 18 months I worked there.
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Yea, there are no other phones I would rather want than this, even if it doesn't have the best keyboard...
Hey,
I guess I'm not the only who is annyoed by the wobbly hardware buttons. They are a bit loose and make an annoying sound when the Nexus is in motion (e.g. touching the colume controls with the index fingers when being on the phone; holding the device in one hand and using the upper part of the touchscreens).
Are there any ideas for small hardware hacks that could fix this problem?
Do you think LG/Google will be able to fix it when I send it in for repair?
Am I being pedantic?
You can actually hear the buttons? From arm's length, or even held in a typical "foot from your face" fashion?
Seriously?
br0adband said:
You can actually hear the buttons? From arm's length, or even held in a typical "foot from your face" fashion?
Seriously?
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Yeah, seriously. If I hold the phone at arm's length in one hand and tap the upper part of the screen (be it in a game or by simply drawing down the status bar) I hear the hardware buttons touching the chassis (kind of a ratling sound) because they simply are way too lose.
Mine barely make a click when I press them. I don't think you're being pedantic.
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I find this whole conversation rather..pedantic
Mine is coming tomorrow, I'll help confirm.
My nexus experience is Google will replace with a brand new unit.
mattforchi said:
Yeah, seriously. If I hold the phone at arm's length in one hand and tap the upper part of the screen (be it in a game or by simply drawing down the status bar) I hear the hardware buttons touching the chassis (kind of a ratling sound) because they simply are way too lose.
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My buttons don't do that, they are perfectly tight. Depends how much it bothers you - I know that I'd send it back, personally. Although it's cheaper than other top end phones, that doesn't excuse poor build quality, and I'd want a perfect one.
Wow I wish that would have been the case with my device. Yeah, I gave it back today at my local retailer and will wait for the next batch. My Nexus 5 also had a dead pixel which made my decision whether to give it back pretty easy.
The loose buttons seems to be a kinda big problem with the devices in Austria and Germany, it was particularly bad with my device though.
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Yep, I'm in the process of deciding how much it annoys me. And if I changed phones, what's to say the new one won't eventually rattle?
Maybe it adds character.
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Does anyone LIKE the size of the chin? I found myself instantly pleased with the added area to handle my phone. I actually left the sim in my 5x for a while to be sure. But I've never noticed how much I use the top and bottom bezels in portrait view. Especially when. Showing someone pictures or portrait videos. I dunno... I'm loving it. Perfect size where my thumbs never bumps the touchscreen.
Am I the only one?
I have no problem with it either. Take a look at the iPhone 6, which I have, and the bezel is about the same size as the Pixel. Actually the whole phone looks similar with a very similar feel. The Pixel is a little larger screen dimension wise but both are beautiful devices. And let's be honest here, if you can compare to an iPhone you're saying something. This device is a jewel if the battery can hold up.
I just got my Pixel today, and I wish the chin was a bit smaller to be honest. The onscreen buttons take up a good chunk of space that I feel makes it look a bit...iPodish? That's for sure not an accurate assessment, but it is what I think when I look at the chin of the phone especially. Like I said, first day and all. I love everything else about this phone though. I even think the price is justifiable.
I actually like the chin too. I find it helps my thumb reach the home button much more comfortably when using it one handed, rather than over extending my thumb to reach the bottom of my phone.
Plus it gives the phone a very minimal/elegant look. So no complaints from me!
No complaints here! Keeps the phone looking balanced
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I like the large chin. Im with you, I think its nice for handling the phone.
Zer0_ said:
I actually like the chin too. I find it helps my thumb reach the home button much more comfortably when using it one handed, rather than over extending my thumb to reach the bottom of my phone.
Plus it gives the phone a very minimal/elegant look. So no complaints from me!
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Yes same here... While at first I thought it was huge and unsightly, when I think about it, I wouldn't want my thumb to have to reach any further down to get to the nav bar. It keeps the nav bar at a perfect height. Still seems kind of boring though. But I'm also glad they didn't put any branding there so kind of a conundrum for me.
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I dont mind the bottom too. It's not super noticeable and I agree that it makes the nav bar easier to reach.
I just wish people would stop calling it a "chin" - it's a bezel, not a chin. Look at the original G1 for a "chin".
bobby janow said:
I have no problem with it either. Take a look at the iPhone 6, which I have, and the bezel is about the same size as the Pixel. Actually the whole phone looks similar with a very similar feel. The Pixel is a little larger screen dimension wise but both are beautiful devices. And let's be honest here, if you can compare to an iPhone you're saying something. This device is a jewel if the battery can hold up.
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Totally... A lot of people seem to want this phone to be the opposite of iPhone. But we already had that... The Nexus lineup. Sure some were better than others but they were never trying to compete with anyone directly. Just good enough with a great price.
mmaaddict78 said:
I just got my Pixel today, and I wish the chin was a bit smaller to be honest. The onscreen buttons take up a good chunk of space that I feel makes it look a bit...iPodish? That's for sure not an accurate assessment, but it is what I think when I look at the chin of the phone especially. Like I said, first day and all. I love everything else about this phone though. I even think the price is justifiable.
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Just got mine last night. And I honestly looked at it and said 'why is everyone complaining about the chin?' to my girlfriend.
I agree, I am totally satisfied with the price now that the phone is in hand. Speed/Feel is amazing.
Zer0_ said:
I actually like the chin too. I find it helps my thumb reach the home button much more comfortably when using it one handed, rather than over extending my thumb to reach the bottom of my phone.
Plus it gives the phone a very minimal/elegant look. So no complaints from me!
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I never noticed that the home button was more comfortable on the Pixel until I used my 5X and Pixel side by side.. thanks for pointing that out! Of course I can't say much about the XL cause I didn't get that one.
brangalm said:
I dont mind the bottom too. It's not super noticeable and I agree that it makes the nav bar easier to reach.
I just wish people would stop calling it a "chin" - it's a bezel, not a chin. Look at the original G1 for a "chin".
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HAH. I've been Androiding since the G1... and yea, that thing had a Joe Swanson Chin for real.
I just joined the chin lingo cause everyone else seemed to be doing it... Peer pressure!
this is #13 of a long list of reasons i'm returning the Pixel. this phone makes so little sense to me i cannot even wrap my head around it, probably because i don't talk TO my damn phone. leave the AI for the kiddos. going back to my ****ing galaxy S3. maybe HTC 10 after that. dunno.
Now that I have my phone, in person, I don't mind it. I prefer balance/symmetry and the chin provides that. I would prefer a speaker there instead, but oh well …
The chin I actually don't notice. Maybe it's because I have the 5' black version. To me, the chin makes it better for one handed use. The galaxy s7 was hard for one handed use for me anyway. I think the chin thing is really blown out of proportion. Just my two cents.
In theory I'd like to see a smaller chin/ bezel and increase the screen size while keeping the overall size the same.
In practice, I don't mind the chin. I don't notice it at all.
I hear y'all but that Jay Leno chin and fivhead are fails to me. I do appreciate all the reasons why you like them but the could have put like 8 speakers in that space. Subs, tweeters and all that! Still love the phone though.
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Looks weird I'd rather have it to help with holding the phone and keeping the navbar at a decent height
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The bottom bezel adds balance, symmetry and consistency to the device.
I am still upset it gave up the speaker grill. But sure look uber minimalistic.
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troy` said:
Does anyone LIKE the size of the chin? I found myself instantly pleased with the added area to handle my phone. I actually left the sim in my 5x for a while to be sure. But I've never noticed how much I use the top and bottom bezels in portrait view. Especially when. Showing someone pictures or portrait videos. I dunno... I'm loving it. Perfect size where my thumbs never bumps the touchscreen.
Am I the only one?
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Jay approves..
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subhani said:
The bottom bezel adds balance, symmetry and consistency to the device.
I am still upset it gave up the speaker grill. But sure look uber minimalistic.
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Totally agree with both of you. I think it really adds the balance. When I saw it at first I wondered, but once I used it I don't mind a bit. I use headphones so I dont care about huge speakers.
Coming from the BB Z30 I am use to the chin and prefer it becuase of the way I hold the phone and navigate with my thumb. Now if only google would pick up a bb 10 device and take down some notes. Like moving things down low so I dont have to stretch my hand to the top.
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Coming from the BB Z30 I am use to the chin and prefer it becuase of the way I hold the phone and navigate with my thumb. Now if only google would pick up a bb 10 device and take down some notes. Like moving things down low so I dont have to stretch my hand to the top.
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Same here, I only use my phones one-handed, whether it's the Pixel, Notes, iPhone 7+, etc. The extra space is where my palm digs into. The BlackBerry Classic is the only device I have to use two hands, but da*n, that physical keyboard is sooo worth it.
I pre-ordered the xz2c with the wireless headphones bundle offer... can't wait to try it, will post my impressions here once I get it.
if anyone got it already or will get it before me, can please share his/her first impressions based on real usage? especially comments on camera quality... thanks!
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I pre-ordered the xz2c with the wireless headphones bundle offer... can't wait to try it, will post my impressions here once I get it.
if anyone got it already or will get it before me, can please share his/her first impressions based on real usage? especially comments on camera quality... thanks!
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So will the old xz3c folks play with an decent compact phone, once again?! I really hope so (and I'm in)! :highfive:
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So will the old xz3c folks play with an decent compact phone, once again?! I really hope so (and I'm in)! :highfive:
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wonderful chief, this is great news! :victory:
this is the only nice phone being released nowadays not having a huge 6" screen or damned edges/notch so... :good:
hope to see you too here around soon so! great we can expect wonderful contributions from your side :good::victory:
I can't wait to see what the camera can do with the gcam hdr+
Just ordered a XZ2 Compact in White Silver. This will be my first Sony phone. Kinda excited.
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Just ordered a XZ2 Compact in White Silver. This will be my first Sony phone. Kinda excited.
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I've had plenty of Sony's in my past, but I am in no way a fan boy. I'm interested in your thoughts, but I give you some things I've found across the 4-5 I've owned;
1) The build quality of Sony devices are typically very good. Just picking them up is a pleasure.
2) You may find the interface interesting at first, but it typically is not far off from stock, and they do have some nice apps. (PS, I miss the tiny apps or whatever they were called).
3) I love the camera button - you'll miss it once you don't have it
4) It seems that volume for music etc is typically lower than on other devices. It used to take rooting and changing build prop etc... to make it LOUD. GSM review seems to like audio on the xz2
5) Updates are frequent
6) Root is easy to acheive, but breaks some things until the wonderful modders get involved and fake the DRM keys
7) #6 makes custom rom's a fools errand early on - Hopefully Trebel helps that and the DRM thing becomes easier
8) If you think the battery will last X, it will shock you how much longer than X it lasts. Sony is PHENOMENAL with power management.
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I've had plenty of Sony's in my past, but I am in no way a fan boy. I'm interested in your thoughts, but I give you some things I've found across the 4-5 I've owned;
1) The build quality of Sony devices are typically very good. Just picking them up is a pleasure.
2) You may find the interface interesting at first, but it typically is not far off from stock, and they do have some nice apps. (PS, I miss the tiny apps or whatever they were called).
3) I love the camera button - you'll miss it once you don't have it
4) It seems that volume for music etc is typically lower than on other devices. It used to take rooting and changing build prop etc... to make it LOUD. GSM review seems to like audio on the xz2
5) Updates are frequent
6) Root is easy to acheive, but breaks some things until the wonderful modders get involved and fake the DRM keys
7) #6 makes custom rom's a fools errand early on - Hopefully Trebel helps that and the DRM thing becomes easier
8) If you think the battery will last X, it will shock you how much longer than X it lasts. Sony is PHENOMENAL with power management.
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Sounds interesting. About your point (6) and "fake the DRM keys." What is that about & why is it necessary for Sony phones?
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same here.. color and excitement I used sony for long, then abandoned it for some time, now I am going back... ATM I have a s7 flat but really can't get used to it don't like samsung at all..
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Sounds interesting. About your point (6) and "fake the DRM keys." What is that about & why is it necessary for Sony phones?
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in all recent sony phones unfortunately they use to add some proprietary sw alghoritms for improving the camera performances or other visual things that once you unlock your device's BL get lost. and can't be retrieved anymore or at least it is not very easy (in certain devices you can backup and restore them later, in some others you can't). so basically often if it is not a good choice to unlock the bl to flash a custom rom or even to just root your phone as the camera performances would su*k afterwards.. also because of this development on sony phones is pretty small and slow...
let's see how it goes with this new model, if drm keys will still be there what we would lose exactly unlocking the BL.. hope nothing too important it would be a pity cause with treble support we could expect some more development!
I saw the xz2 compact couple days before first time in local store. was pretty impressed. It was the black one. Looked a bit like a small business phone. I was just to buy a Pixel 2 after i returned my galaxy s9 due to light leak. but i saw it and could play with it a bit and compare with Pixel 2. I was not so impressed by the pictures and thickness of xz2c in the web after announcement but after holding it i can say the design is pretty perfect for me. No sharp edges anymore that are hurting your palm while holding it. The IPS Display was bright, sharp and colorful without oversaturation. The blacks are almost at OLED Level in comparison to my old z3 compact. Whitebalance is perfect and if you dont like it you can change it a bit warmer or colder in the settings. Finally no burn-in danger like on amoled. In my hand it did not seem so thick like on the pictures in the web. IT was comfortable to hold. Fingerprint scanner is much better located on the xz2c than on xz2. its higher and easier to reach. Vibration motor is finally better and not like on xz1c or xc. it was like a crazy bee in the the past. now perfect. Camera is also definetely better. Not on s9 or pixel 2 level in lowlight but really a visible improvement. of course the s9 can get more light at night but for me its ok. but wish it would have dualpixel autofocus. frontcam has also no auto softskin filter applied like in the past. Additionally Dual sim and sd card. maybe some will be able to port the gcam portrait mode to this nice phone. speakers are louder. not perfect like S9 with dolby atmos but a very good solid performance. maybe also someone will be able to create a mod with atmos support. the buttons could be a bit harder. i fear that in your pocket they could be pressed unintentionally. additionally i hpefully also get the hear on headphones or a ps vr in germany. a nice bonus. Android 8 runs perfectly smooth and quick on the device. much quicker than on any galaxy phone.
Finally my long search has now an end. i have returned my Galaxy s9 due to repeating light leaks. xz2c should arrive next week after easter and my z3compact can finally go to well deserved retirement.
Does anyone know if you can change the navbar order still via system ui tuner? would like to have
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thanks for sharing your early impressions! sounds good! I too hope I found a nice compact phone again to stay with for some time rather than changing it continuously looking for the best solution :laugh: I also had a green z3c which was beautiful, but this time the green version seemed pretty dull on web pictures, so I went for the white/silver one...
but in this nice (ITA) review I saw yesterday, green seems much more vivid and nicer, more like my old z3c! don't know if this is the real green in the end, but if it is, I think it was better than the white :crying:
had you a chance to see from real also the green version? if so how it looked?
btw can't wait to get it.. hopefully in about 10 days maximum from now? :fingers-crossed:
EDIT: about the navbar order, really don't know, hope so cause I too prefer back button on the right! :silly:
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there was only black. i was also thinking about the silver/white one. Couldnt see it live. But i rather like more black at front and white or silver back so i have choosen the black one
Getting my White Silver XZ2 Compact tomorrow! [emoji114]
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Getting my White Silver XZ2 Compact tomorrow! [emoji114]
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mine (same color) should be arriving today! :victory::fingers-crossed:
i have the black one lying next to me. its a bit heavy after long term use. wish it would be a bit less heavy. sometime the edges of the usb-c port are irritating my small finger. would be better if sony have moved the usb port to the top.
the bottom mic hole gets sometimes covered by the hand when holding in landscape. on the right side would be better for the hole.
otherwise its a really nice phone. like the frontcam
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i have the black one lying next to me. its a bit heavy after long term use. wish it would be a bit less heavy. sometime the edges of the usb-c port are irritating my small finger. would be better if sony have moved the usb port to the top.
the bottom mic hole gets sometimes covered by the hand when holding in landscape. on the right side would be better for the hole.
otherwise its a really nice phone. like the frontcam
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just got mine and first impressions are.. wow! so beautiful in white and silver color.. really much better than I expected, from the images I was little worried but looks very nice in my hand! doesn't feel too heavy or thick to me, even after applying tempered glass protection and a cheap transparent cover for the back.. and usage with one hand is perfect! so far so good.. will see if I see problems later one.
only down side for me so far is the curved screen, that makes the glass protection to raise a little on the sides :crying: I expected that because of the curved screen, but I bought a smaller tempered glass meant to cover only the flat part of the screen so I hoped it would have been better, but still looks not so nice.. just aesthetic of course but don't like it.. damned curved screens and who invented them!
boy, this thing is tiny after using a note 8!
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boy, this thing is tiny after using a note 8!
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what did you expect my friend, you went from the biggest of the flagships (note 8) to the smallest! for me, sizes of this xz2 are simply perfect :victory: hate all these new phones that can't be used with one hand
got mine today. Boy its small and beautiful. Got the black color so the front black bezels look narrower. though for the phone is this size, its thick and heavy. the S9 feels kkind of lighter than this. but all in all its great to use a mini phone after ages!
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got mine today. Boy its small and beautiful. Got the black color so the front black bezels look narrower. though for the phone is this size, its thick and heavy. the S9 feels kkind of lighter than this. but all in all its great to use a mini phone after ages!
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yeah the s9 feels more balanced since it has 5gramm less and its bigger so the feeling is a bit different. the xz2c feels like a car with very heavy motor in the middle or back.
wonder if sony have put some bricks inside to make it so heavy.
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what did you expect my friend, you went from the biggest of the flagships (note 8) to the smallest! for me, sizes of this xz2 are simply perfect :victory: hate all these new phones that can't be used with one hand
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i really like how much easier it will be to carry this phone around while wearing shorts; the note 8 is so large and heavy, my shorts wont stay up, and here is Arizona, you wear shorts every day!!
typing on the small keyboard is sort of a pain too, with my big fat fingers so it will take a while to get used to that too..great sound and great display, thats for sure!