Do you think nexus 5 will get the okay Google with screen off like the nexus 6? - Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

In the change log of android l it mentions it has okay Google with screen off. Does the nexus 5 have the necessary dsp hardware to make that happen?
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biggiestuff said:
In the change log of android l it mentions it has okay Google with screen off. Does the nexus 5 have the necessary dsp hardware to make that happen?
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nexus 5 does that already, as long as your plugged in. turn it on in the voice settings. funny thing though. you can say ok google when the screen is off, and search for anything, but it wont turn the screen on

simms22 said:
nexus 5 does that already, as long as your plugged in.
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Yeah that I know but the change log makes it sound as if it will be more like the moto x, where you wouldn't need to be plugged in.
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biggiestuff said:
Yeah that I know but the change log makes it sound as if it will be more like the moto x, where you wouldn't need to be plugged in.
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its possible. but the nexus 5 wont be able to do it then, as it would just kill your battery.

simms22 said:
its possible. but the nexus 5 wont be able to do it then, as it would just kill your battery.
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I'm guessing the snapdragon 800 isn't capable which is why the moto x opted for at least the 801. Don't know really but I was hoping someone might know. Time will tell I guess.
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Motorola uses the fabled "low power core" to run active display and touchless control. Without that, both features will destroy any devices battery.
Just like the N5 has a pedometer running in a similar way. LG has tap to wake, as does the M8. That's why tap to wake is a huge battery drain on the N5.
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KJ said:
Motorola uses the fabled "low power core" to run active display and touchless control. Without that, both features will destroy any devices battery.
Just like the N5 has a pedometer running in a similar way. LG has tap to wake, as does the M8. That's why tap to wake is a huge battery drain on the N5.
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Double tap to wake drains on the Nexus 5 because you can't just keep the digitizer on, you have to keep the entire panel on. On devices where it doesn't drain, you can power them on separately. Nothing to do with the low-powered core.
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biggiestuff said:
I'm guessing the snapdragon 800 isn't capable which is why the moto x opted for at least the 801. Don't know really but I was hoping someone might know. Time will tell I guess.
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800 is just as capable as the 801. Low-power core is just used for a hardware pedometer instead of "always listening", as well as legal issues if you were to enable it without permission.

Lethargy said:
Double tap to wake drains on the Nexus 5 because you can't just keep the digitizer on, you have to keep the entire panel on. On devices where it doesn't drain, you can power them on separately. Nothing to do with the low-powered core.
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800 is just as capable as the 801. It's just used for a hardware pedometer instead, as well as legal issues if you were to enable it without permission.
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Smarty pants! ?
Alls I know is I have it now and it's terrific. ?

I guess we'll find out soon. Android L is being released Friday for the n5 right? I guess there is no plausible way for lollipop to change the function on the low power core on the n5 to use it for listening instead of a pedometer.
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KJ said:
Smarty pants! ?
Alls I know is I have it now and it's terrific. ?
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Traitor
But yeah. The low-powered core is only good for things that usually require wakelocks (i.e. always listening, music playing, hardware pedometer). Screen-off gestures are done at kernel level and does NOT require a wakelock, so the low-powered core is completely useless in that regard.
Only factor determining if screen-off gestures drains or not is how power is provided to the panel. If it's possible to power the digitizer on separately, then it uses less battery. If you have to power the entire panel on, it'll use more. Either way, it's the exact same thing and not really done much differently across all devices; just make sure the digitizer is powered in any way and wake the device (or whatever) on specific gestures.

biggiestuff said:
I guess we'll find out soon. Android L is being released Friday for the n5 right? I guess there is no plausible way for lollipop to change the function on the low power core on the n5 to use it for listening instead of a pedometer.
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What is being released Friday is an updated preview

scottharris4 said:
What is being released Friday is an updated preview
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Hopefully that have most of the features for us to test out
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I doubt the preview will have all the features. From the looks of it, it doesn't even have most of them. They're saving it for the official release. The preview didn't include the new/updated apps either.
Anyway, the N5 isn't likely to get the feature you're asking about. It has to be enabled and setup with the processor's low power core. I don't think this can happen through an ota. From what I've heard it'll just be the new devices receiving that feature.
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Even if your screen is off, you can say "OK Google" on devices with digital signal processing support such as Nexus 6 and Nexus 9
You can find the details in the lollipop specification in android official website
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It does work on my phone, the thing is that have to hit the power button then the lock screen comes up, if you say "okay Google" it does work like call or text but still the screen remain unlock. I haven't tried doing "okay google", " unlock screen"
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[Q] Activate screen with Swipe Up

Hi, a friend of mine just switched to the N5 from the iphone. He's looking for the ability, similar to the iphone, to swipe up on the screen when the screen is off to turn it on. Is this possible with the N5? I haven't seen it mentioned so I'm guessing it isn't an option. Thanks.
mgerbasio said:
Hi, a friend of mine just switched to the N5 from the iphone. He's looking for the ability, similar to the iphone, to swipe up on the screen when the screen is off to turn it on. Is this possible with the N5? I haven't seen it mentioned so I'm guessing it isn't an option. Thanks.
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Swipe up to turn on screen when its off on iOS? Wut?
RusherDude said:
Swipe up to turn on screen when its off on iOS? Wut?
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That's what he's telling me. He's been a long time iphone user, I never had one.
mgerbasio said:
That's what he's telling me. He's been a long time iphone user, I never had one.
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I'm googling about that feature and cant find anything about it.. are you sure he's talking about waking up screen when its OFF?
RusherDude said:
I'm googling about that feature and cant find anything about it.. are you sure he's talking about waking up screen when its OFF?
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I also googled it but came up empty too. Guess I miss understood him, will check with him tomorrow. Thanks.
Yeah the iPhone definitely doesn't have that capability, at least not without some serious jailbreak hacks. Maybe he's just pressing the home button on accident when he 'swipes'.
IPhones don't have it. I'm 100% sure. But android does. You can slide across the screen or double tap to turn it on with faux kernel or Nexus Touch control (doesn't wok with the nexus 5 yet)
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aooga said:
IPhones don't have it. I'm 100% sure. But android does. You can slide across the screen or double tap to turn it on with faux kernel or Nexus Touch control (doesn't wok with the nexus 5 yet)
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Are you saying that these kernels will eventually support it for Nexus 5?
I'm currently using Faux but I don't see that functionality anywhere.
Megiddo2000 said:
Are you saying that these kernels will eventually support it for Nexus 5?
I'm currently using Faux but I don't see that functionality anywhere.
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Not yet, but it's possible it will support it in the future.
Yea... i used to use an iPhone (owned a 3GS and 4 before switching to Android with the Motorola Atrix) and never saw such a feature with those. Can't imagine that being something Apple would do. Unless, of course... Google decides to do it at some point. Then maybe Apple will do something similar 3 years prior.
Megiddo2000 said:
Are you saying that these kernels will eventually support it for Nexus 5?
I'm currently using Faux but I don't see that functionality anywhere.
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Yeah. Pretty soon the kernel devs are going to start implementing those features just like in the N4.
Went back to my friend and told him the feedback. He forgot it was his BB Z10, not the iphone so that clears it up. Still would be a nice feature.

Is there a hack to make google now work when screen is off?

hi, I read that google now ("ok google") only activates when the screen is on. I was wondering if theres a hack or setting somewhere where you can activate it with the screen off? I mostly want this for hands-free use in the car, so I can avoid having to touch the phone while driving (big no no).
also, is there a site somewhere explaining all the features of what you can say/ask google now? or even a link with comparisons between siri and google now, and what google now cant do that siri does? I ask this cuz ill be coming from iPhone.
thanks.
I think that would really drain the battery - if possible!
However, here is a collection on some of the commands you can ask google now:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1961636
I'm really surprised how great it works! And i live in Denmark, where i can't even take full use of everything
samsung has had this with s-voice. and i think motorola enabled google now to do this on the motox but i'm not sure. yes it drains battery, but how much? depends on the cpu and driver and the software involved..... i don't have my nexus yet so i can't say "how" to do this but i would expect it to be an eventual custom feature if not a future update if it's not already in a setting somewhere.
reffer2 said:
I think that would really drain the battery - if possible!
However, here is a collection on some of the commands you can ask google now:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1961636
I'm really surprised how great it works! And i live in Denmark, where i can't even take full use of everything
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Everything I've read has claimed that the Nexus 5 should handle this as well as MotoX since it has the Snapdragon 800. Have we ever gotten an official answer on why this won't work?
reffer2 said:
I think that would really drain the battery - if possible!
However, here is a collection on some of the commands you can ask google now:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1961636
I'm really surprised how great it works! And i live in Denmark, where i can't even take full use of everything
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hey thanks for the link. battery drain wouldn't be too much of an issue, as usually I would just use it while the device is being charged in my car, but it would be nice to use sometimes without as well, and while leaving the screen on would be nice, a slow charging car charger, is going to charge faster with the screen off, as that's usually the most power hungry lol. so it would be nice to have the voice activation at will while using.
If some of the launcher/search code was open source, I'd imagine this would be quite easy to do.
Pretty sure I read somewhere that the 'always listening' (for "OK Google" command) requires some hardware functionality. So no, it would not be possible like it is on the Moto X.
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If some of the launcher/search code was open source, I'd imagine this would be quite easy to do.
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i'd imagine you could port parts of the moto x rom into the nexus. things like this have been done before. just have to find all the dependancies.
Dani897 said:
i'd imagine you could port parts of the moto x rom into the nexus. things like this have been done before. just have to find all the dependancies.
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I mean, if you had access to the facilities used by the n5 launcher source, you could likely utilize them when screen is off via software pretty easily.
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akhan47 said:
Pretty sure I read somewhere that the 'always listening' (for "OK Google" command) requires some hardware functionality. So no, it would not be possible like it is on the Moto X.
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Yes. But from what I understand the snapdragon 800 has that hardware built in.
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http://www.qualcomm.com/snapdragon/processors/800
Video is about 1/2 way down on the right. Processor is capable.
Lets see if I can't clear things up. If you want your phone to be always listening, you need hardware support for it unless you want your phone to die in a matter of hours. If you are okay with this , check out this app. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.RSen.OpenMic.Pheonix It also lets you configure things like only when charging or just when the screen is on to save some battery, and its actually a very nice app overall. Worth checking out.
The Moto x has a special custom chip set that allows for this always listening. Any attempt to port that feature from the Moto x would fail, as the Nexus 5 doesn't have the same chip set. The nexus 5 however, does have hardware that allows for always listening, its part of the Snapdragon 800 SOC that powers this phone, along with the Note 3 and LG G2.
But getting the feature to actually work on our phones, even with the hardware, is by no means an easy task. Read the comments on this post if you want to get an idea for what this entails. https://plus.google.com/112424215551484520138/posts/AznwFxbBapJ
So is it possible? Yes. But it is not something that is gonna be a quick easy port of small modification of an existing app, it would take some real serious work form (maybe a team even of) good Dev's to make this function.
Sorry if its not the news you wanted to hear.
Well now it's been more than a year since this thread is dead but i bought my N5 recently and i wonder is there any progress in this matter will it be possible ? (G+ comments on link provided by above like shows it may be possible...as SD800 has privilege for it but at time of this thread it was only available to OMEs so it made public yet ? ) . did any dev tried to dig into this matter ?
jineshpatel30 said:
Well now it's been more than a year since this thread is dead but i bought my N5 recently and i wonder is there any progress in this matter will it be possible ? (G+ comments on link provided by above like shows it may be possible...as SD800 has privilege for it but at time of this thread it was only available to OMEs so it made public yet ? ) . did any dev tried to dig into this matter ?
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It won't happen on an N5 . ?
Darth said:
It won't happen on an N5 . ?
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that's sad but okay ! what else we can say
If you're plugged in/wireless charging Google Now Voice commands work with the screen off.
Settings>Language & Input > Voice Input> Enhanced Google services> "OK Google" Detection>From any screen> enabled
"responds to your voice. Works when the screen is on or the device is charging."
make sure the next option "personal results" is also enabled if you want Google Now to be able to do anything
Try this app, Open Mic+. It'll do the job.

Nexus 6 Active Display?

What are the chances of the Nexus 6 having the active display like the Moto X?
falcon26 said:
What are the chances of the Nexus 6 having the active display like the Moto X?
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Id say Zero, that's a Motorola-Only feature.
Also, Leaked images show the display is LCD, not AMOLED.
I'm not sure, I'm still holding out hope for a super amoled
Isn't the Nexus line bare bone stock
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Bare bones? Nope. Stock Nexus is Android with a Google skin.
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Isn't the Nexus line bare bone stock
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Wakamatsu said:
Bare bones? Nope. Stock Nexus is Android with a Google skin.
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Yes and no. AOSP is bare bones. Stock has a little more Google over and above gapps, but not a great deal
Features from moto and lg that we don't get are proprietary software with hardware dependencies too, so no we won't get them on the nexus X
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Fortunately there are many 3rd party options from the Play Store such as:
DynamicNotifications
AcDisplay
Active Display
Keep in mind only OLED panels can disable individual pixels. Other LCDs require the full screen to be on or off at all times so these could cause considerable battery drain.
bblzd said:
Fortunately there are many 3rd party options from the Play Store such as:
DynamicNotifications
AcDisplay
Active Display
Keep in mind only OLED panels can disable individual pixels. Other LCDs require the full screen to be on or off at all times so these could cause considerable battery drain.
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Yeah. All these apps with the one liks Peek by Franco come close!
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rahulpat13 said:
Yeah. All these apps with the one liks Peek by Franco come close!
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Franco isn't the dev of Peek app but a colombian guy. The app content has been transfered to this guy BTW and the original app is just an unlocker tool now.
Primokorn said:
Franco isn't the dev of Peek app but a colombian guy. The app content has been transfered to this guy BTW and the original app is just an unlocker tool now.
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Looks like PA (moreso, ROMs based off it, or ones that cherry-picked built-in Peek) need to update the code that disables built-in Peek when the app is installed, to reflect the new package name (rather than the unlocker). lol
So the real question would be what are the chances of active display being included in L? which there havent been any signs of it in the preview build so again not looking good.
y2whisper said:
So the real question would be what are the chances of active display being included in L? which there havent been any signs of it in the preview build so again not looking good.
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Zero.
y2whisper said:
So the real question would be what are the chances of active display being included in L? which there havent been any signs of it in the preview build so again not looking good.
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None. ActiveDisplay is a proprietary Motorola software. Google very rarely have added alternatives to complex proprietary functions. It's not completely unheard of (quick tiles for example) but for something that has a hardware limitation and dependency, no way
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So the real question would be what are the chances of active display being included in L? which there havent been any signs of it in the preview build so again not looking good.
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Even if they did (which they won't because that's owned by Motorola) it would be restricted to OLED screens only. Only OLED screen phones have ever had such functionality built in, such as the Moto X and certain Nokia Windows Phones with Glance support.
What's wrong with using one of the many 3rd party options?
I used DynamicNotifications on my Nexus 5 over 6 months ago. It was buggy and quirky.
My phone would get hot in my pocket and I pulled it out to see whats going on. DynamicNotifications was turning my screen on and off repeatedly for some reason. I don't know how Motorola handles the phone lock but DynamicNotifications' way of locking the phone isn't secure. If I disable the system's security lock and enable DN's, it could be bypassed by turning off the phone and turning back it. It isn't as bullet proof as the system's.
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I used DynamicNotifications on my Nexus 5 over 6 months ago. It was buggy and quirky.
My phone would get hot in my pocket and I pulled it out to see whats going on. DynamicNotifications was turning my screen on and off repeatedly for some reason. I don't know how Motorola handles the phone lock but DynamicNotifications' way of locking the phone isn't secure. If I disable the system's security lock and enable DN's, it could be bypassed by turning off the phone and turning back it. It isn't as bullet proof as the system's.
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You probably set it up wrong.
The Peek app and AcDisplay worked fine for me when I tested them.
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Fortunately there are many 3rd party options from the Play Store such as:
DynamicNotifications
AcDisplay
Active Display
Keep in mind only OLED panels can disable individual pixels. Other LCDs require the full screen to be on or off at all times so these could cause considerable battery drain.
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garyHal said:
I used DynamicNotifications on my Nexus 5 over 6 months ago. It was buggy and quirky.
My phone would get hot in my pocket and I pulled it out to see whats going on. DynamicNotifications was turning my screen on and off repeatedly for some reason. I don't know how Motorola handles the phone lock but DynamicNotifications' way of locking the phone isn't secure. If I disable the system's security lock and enable DN's, it could be bypassed by turning off the phone and turning back it. It isn't as bullet proof as the system's.
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Did you try any of the other options? I listed a couple but there are many more.
I have not tried the other two options. They were not feature complete at the time.
Right now, I am using Gravity Screen which does everything I need, except for the "breathing" notification.

Volume alert

Hello, as much as I appreciate Samsung's concern for my health and safety, I am getting annoyed by the volume notification that says "Listening to music on high volume for long periods of time might be harmful" etc., sometimes I'm out running and I try to turn up the volume, it'll vibrate and block it, so I'm forced to pull out my phone and dismiss the freaking notification.
I tried searching for it in the settings, nothing came up as a toggle switch off.. Thanks ?
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LauraHalls said:
Hello, as much as I appreciate Samsung's concern for my health and safety, I am getting annoyed by the volume notification that says "Listening to music on high volume for long periods of time might be harmful" etc., sometimes I'm out running and I try to turn up the volume, it'll vibrate and block it, so I'm forced to pull out my phone and dismiss the freaking notification.
I tried searching for it in the settings, nothing came up as a toggle switch off.. Thanks ?
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Same thing here, I hate that alert
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Nothing you can do about it without root. Samsung doesn't understand that external bluetooth devices have independent volume controls, apparently.
flu13 said:
Nothing you can do about it without root. Samsung doesn't understand that external bluetooth devices have independent volume controls, apparently.
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How do you do it when rooted?
I actually don't know on this phone. On the S4, I used Xposed to remove the volume warning, but I don't know if that's available for the S6 yet. Might check the S6 development forums to see if there's anything.
This is an Android feature, not Samsung. I think Google added it in KitKat to comply with some laws somewhere.
xxbeanxx said:
This is an Android feature, not Samsung. I think Google added it in KitKat to comply with some laws somewhere.
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I'm pretty sure it's a Samsung thing. The Moto G 2nd Gen running the 5.0 update doesn't do it, and didn't do it on the shipped 4.4 OS.
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I'm pretty sure it's a Samsung thing.
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My LG Optimus G does it and so does my Nexus 7 (stock Android).
xxbeanxx said:
My LG Optimus G does it and so does my Nexus 7 (stock Android).
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Well, I didn't know that. I don't use Google-stock android devices, and the Optimus G, when I had it, never did that. I did sell it before the update, though.

Fingerprint Scanner Dilemma

So, the Android M launched and it sports fingerprint recognition, thats awesome.
Our phone do have the hardware, but what about accessibility?
I mean when samsung pushes the M update to S6, will the scanner use Google APIs or Samsung APIs for the recognition?
If it uses Samsung APIs then I think we may not be able to use the services provided by google for the fingerprint scanner.
Also, a lot of Devs will be creating apps based on fingerprint recognition using Google's API, will our phone scanner be able to make use of it?
What do you think guys...
Im sure it will be supported. Granted there are not many devices that actually have a scanner but but im sure google would want those that do to be able to access the new finger print features/services so would make an effort to support all hardware
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I believe they're working on the StockAndroid APIs on the next big update.
Samsung had to use its own version since Google did not have APIs, yet.
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I believe they're working on the StockAndroid APIs on the next big update.
Samsung had to use its own version since Google did not have APIs, yet.
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I would love to see Samsung's take on Google's Fingerprint API. The tap-fingerprint to wake up thingy featured on the new Nexus' while the device is asleep is a big thumbs up for me.
Jhayzt said:
I would love to see Samsung's take on Google's Fingerprint API. The tap-fingerprint to wake up thingy featured on the new Nexus' while the device is asleep is a big thumbs up for me.
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Not seen that feature, you mean the screen won't wake up until you use your fingerprint on scanner?
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LeeHughes-S6 said:
Not seen that feature, you mean the screen won't wake up until you use your fingerprint on scanner?
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Well, I was watching the recap of the Google press event awhile ago and the guy who presented the new Nexus 5X and 6P tapped the Fingerprint dimple and the device woke up instantly. No need to press the power button then tap the fingerprint scanner to unlock.
Jhayzt said:
Well, I was watching the recap of the Google press event awhile ago and the guy who presented the new Nexus 5X and 6P tapped the Fingerprint dimple and the device woke up instantly. No need to press the power button then tap the fingerprint scanner to unlock.
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Ah I see.. thanks for the reply.
Not seen anything on the 6P yet, my other half loved her old nexus. Might be worth me having a look as Christmas is coming and her S5 is falling apart.
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My S6 already does this :/ turn on wake on home press.
as for samsung using googles api, they will. Why would they reinvent the wheel when they can do less work, which decreases the chance for bugs and shortens production time.
LeeHughes-S6 said:
Ah I see.. thanks for the reply.
Not seen anything on the 6P yet, my other half loved her old nexus. Might be worth me having a look as Christmas is coming and her S5 is falling apart.
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Here, have a look.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE_K5Mk3IjA
Its a recap of the event. Watch closely at the part when the guy(Forgive me for not knowing his name. Yep, shame shame. xD) tapped his index finger at the dimple. The device wakes up and automatically unlocks the device.
Edit: BTW, the Nexus 5X packs the same fingerprint sensor.
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My S6 already does this :/ turn on wake on home press.
as for samsung using googles api, they will. Why would they reinvent the wheel when they can do less work, which decreases the chance for bugs and shortens production time.
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Well, on the new Nexus' you don't need to press the power button then tap the fingerprint scanner to unlock your device, just place your finger on the scanner to wake up and straight unlock your device. Wouldn't that be handy if Samsung can implement the same technique where all you need to do place your chosen finger on the scanner without pressing the home button then straight unlock.
Jhayzt said:
Wouldn't that be handy if Samsung can implement the same technique where all you need to do place your chosen finger on the scanner without pressing the home button then straight unlock.
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Yep that would be awesome feature to have.
I hope samsung will continue with Google APIs so that we will be able to use all the fingerprint features that Android M will be offering

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