Have anyone tried to overclock the shield tablet?
First off there is really no need. It is the fastest tablet on the market currently. Secondly you would need a custom kernel with overclocking built in. No one has done a kernel yet.
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First off there is really no need. It is the fastest tablet on the market currently. Secondly you would need a custom kernel with overclocking built in. No one has done a kernel yet.
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"It is the fastest tablet on the market currently" WITH Android. There are tablets with Windows and Intel Core i7 and a better GPU than the one of K1. Price is extortionate, yes.
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"It is the fastest tablet on the market currently" WITH Android. There are tablets with Windows and Intel Core i7 and a better GPU than the one of K1. Price is extortionate, yes.
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Honestly i'm not so sure about those i7s. Look again and you'll see that they all have a "U" at the end of the model number. That denotes that it's an ultrabook version of the i7, not the normal version you're used to seeing on the desktop. Also, those all use embedded intel graphics chips. I'm not necessarily saying one is less/more powerful, but that it's a lot less straightforward than it might seem.
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Honestly i'm not so sure about those i7s. Look again and you'll see that they all have a "U" at the end of the model number. That denotes that it's an ultrabook version of the i7, not the normal version you're used to seeing on the desktop. Also, those all use embedded intel graphics chips. I'm not necessarily saying one is less/more powerful, but that it's a lot less straightforward than it might seem.
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Intel's embedded graphics have impoved, but they are still pretty poor compared to a gpu (in most reasonable cases). Even my desktop i5's embedded I wouldn't use for anything more than watching a video. My laptops core2duo can't really even do that lol. The mobile/ultrabook versions of the i7s have a much wider range of cpu's and specs and many aren't very powerful, so I agree on it not being so clear on performance capabilities.
I haven't had any issues with the K1 so far that I felt it needed to be overclocked. It will probably be a little bit before you see tons of extra's like that anyway because there aren't a lot of people developing for this right now and there are other things that need work.
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Honestly i'm not so sure about those i7s. Look again and you'll see that they all have a "U" at the end of the model number. That denotes that it's an ultrabook version of the i7, not the normal version you're used to seeing on the desktop. Also, those all use embedded intel graphics chips. I'm not necessarily saying one is less/more powerful, but that it's a lot less straightforward than it might seem.
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The K1 is almost as fast as an Intel HD 4000 (3DMark), but the 4400 and 5000 in new Intel chips are definitely much better. CPU-wise, there is no comparison in both single-core and multi-core performance. Obviously there is a huge price difference though.
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Hi all. Just finished ordering this tablet that is currently running cupcake. Would love to root it and install a custom ROM. Any info on how I can achieve this?
Thanks in advance
offtopic... does the apad run any good? is it smooth?
Why is it off topic. It is a tablet that runs android. Do not have it yet so can't comment on how good or bad it runs.
i was asking an off topic question (i.e. not related to your question). guess i phrased my sentence wrongly. do post here on how well this device seems to perform.
I will. Thanks for your intrest.
You should of waited for the Notion's ADAM
I only paid $100.00 US for my tablet. This one is considerably more.
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I only paid $100.00 US for my tablet. This one is considerably more.
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hey could you pm me the site where you purchased it from?
could you update your main post with the specs that you ordered from? Apparently there are Apad clones with crappy processors instead of the rockchip processors
Dealextreme has it for cheap
dealextreme is the crap version. the proper apad is the one with rockchip in it. and i found out that the cheapest apad with rockchip is ~150usd
i have one of those too.
with the rockchip which actually is not to bad of a processor. nowhere near the A4 but ok to work with.
it's an ARM derivative and consists of a cpu and dsp(gpu).
i would also like to know if anybody has played with it yet.
i followed the android instructions of building a development envirnment and have the tablet actually show up in eclipse but where to go from here?
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i would first of all like to be able to upgrade android. if possible 2.2 or at least to 1.6.
the device has the upgrade locked.
the are also language option conflicts were suggestive text and some keyboard keys still show up in (i guess) Chinese.
It'll most likely be impossible to upgrade the apad to 2.1/2.2 as rockchip dsp isn't actually a gpu, its a video processor for videos only.
on another note i have decided to pass up on the apad as it doesn't seem that "future-proof" most likely will get this http://www.wiipad.us/product.php?id_product=11 unless better options come out in the next 1 month or so
does android 2.x require a specialized dedicated gpu?
the dsp is essentially a gpu, it is capable of playing 720p video.
it should be plenty for android 2.x to get around
so i can move files from the device to the pc.
i copied the data and system folder.
what to do now?
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It'll most likely be impossible to upgrade the apad to 2.1/2.2 as rockchip dsp isn't actually a gpu, its a video processor for videos only.
on another note i have decided to pass up on the apad as it doesn't seem that "future-proof" most likely will get this http://www.wiipad.us/product.php?id_product=11 unless better options come out in the next 1 month or so
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The wiipad seems to be a very nice tablet. But till they receive a proper review, for the money, I'll stick to my Apad.
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The wiipad seems to be a very nice tablet. But till they receive a proper review, for the money, I'll stick to my Apad.
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i like the look of the notion ink adam, i mean dual core processor
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does android 2.x require a specialized dedicated gpu?
the dsp is essentially a gpu, it is capable of playing 720p video.
it should be plenty for android 2.x to get around
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Yeah but it decodes videos only, a gpu actually pumps out the graphics which is an intergral part of 2.1 onwards (also in the rockchip's specs i saw somewhere this chip does not support 2.1) The wiipad neno has a cortex a8 core which is similar to the ipad's processor so it is running on 2.1.
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i like the look of the notion ink adam, i mean dual core processor
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yeah notion ink is awesome but it's been delayed so long that it is not worth much with the impending competition. (unless they make it unbelievably cheaper)
ok i see
any hope for 1.6 at least? maybe 2.0?
yeah notion ink is awesome but it's been delayed so long that it is not worth much with the impending competition. (unless they make it unbelievably cheaper)
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But I just read on engadget its still expected in q3 and that's about the time I'm gonna be looking to buy one it could be perfect.
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ive been digging around at Apads for weeks.. and i havent really found one i was impressed with.. i thought about going with just something to play with a lil bit and get the EKEN m001 or w.e modle it is.. but i just couldnt get it at a price id be willing to shell out and be ok with.. but this wiipad.. with android 2.1 deff has my attention especially wit a 1ghz processor.. and with it having a 16gig nand flash at a price of 267.19 i will shell out the money.. cuz thats exactly what i want.. but i to will wait for more reviews on the product.. but please post what you think about the one you orderd OP cuz i am intrested in that one as well.. and can you PM me the site you got it from for 100$?? please and thank you.. and im very happy to see these Apads (android tablets) showing up in the forum!! i cant wait for a few devs to jump on board imagine the roms and custom stuff i feel like a kid ina candy store already
These things are being advertised as having v9 processors, but mine, according to a system process app, doesn't.....it had v7.
I called viewsonic and they had no answers.
I feel like if you're advertising it, that's the way it should be. Guess chinese companies don't feel the same way.
Anyone else notice this?
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ARM can be confusing
The tegra 2 in an ARM cortex A9 processor which is the ARM v7 family of processors. Check out the wiki for the ARM architecture and you'll seee just how confusing it can get.
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These things are being advertised as having v9 processors, but mine, according to a system process app, doesn't.....it had v7.
I called viewsonic and they had no answers.
I feel like if you're advertising it, that's the way it should be. Guess chinese companies don't feel the same way.
Anyone else notice this?
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the thing about ARM designation is that a lot of the time lower numbers can be faster. What matters is that our Tegra2 core is really fast. Check out the Anand benches. Its pretty much the fastest Android tablet/phone out there.
Are there really that many things out there that can take advantage of a dual-core cpu? It seems to me that a decent cpu/gpu can go really far, but idk.
I'd imagine it'd be similar to a desktop. It will initially help with general smoothness of the user experience. Eventually apps will catch up with the hardware and be multithreaded.
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i can see the use for dual core phones
but quad core or penta core phones is simply too much
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i can see the use for dual core phones
but quad core or penta core phones is simply too much
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More cores = better efficiency = longer battery life. It's not all about performance.
On any os aside from android, no.
Currently no. Seeing as software has yet to catch up to hardware, and really never has in this technological era. >.>
So with such info, one can make the statement to say the latest hardware is never needed, atleast in its time. Sooo... lets all throw away our core i7's, 1080p displays, Radeon HD 6990, and go back to the good ol' pentium 4 with integrated Intel graphics.
the new android os (ice cream sandwich) is supposed to support dual-core processors. If this does end up happening, it won't be long till there are apps such that do make use of the dual-core as well.
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Yea! Try web browsing on a dual core. You'll never go back.
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All depends on the software taking advantage of dual-core or not.
Similar scenario happened on desktop PC few years ago, and dual core cpu performed worse than similar clocked single core cpus when running non-optimized software. Took a period of time for the software to take up.
I know we all think our processors in our newer phones are awesome but is there any chart, etc to show where our processors would stack up in real world use vs a processor used in a laptop, PC, etc.
I've always been curious as our SoCs improve.
I've heard that even some of our newest processors we like, Tegra 3, etc, are still at the best, only as good in real world use as an older Pentium 4.
So is there any kind of side to side benchmark showing how things look from a viewpoint of how our phones/tablets compare to PCs/laptops?
My guess would be no, because our mobile phones are based on the ARM architecture and PCs are x86... I believe? I could be wrong, my knowledge of technology is limited outside of phones
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How feasible would it be to have a decent comp engineer to take out the old flash memory and put in a decent spec version to blast up the I/O it's risky obviously but could it work? Anyone with this sort of experience know how interchangeable these chips are? Or are they pretty device specific?
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I think this has been spoken of before. It is possible but all the skill and knowledge needed to do so would not really be worth the effort on the tablet. Even if successful it is risky to attempt as the main board in the tablet is meant to be all together, and not bothered.
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Might have a go once I've got some money together!
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Data2sd works well and is much invasive ... first do no harm
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For my money, I'd rather swap out the 1GB memory chip for either a 2 or 4GB module. Slow I/O wouldn't be as big a deal if the system could keep more things in RAM, and it would prolong the device life as well. The specs on these things are great, but I fear having only 1GB of RAM will start to really hurt as programs get larger and high-definition assets become more prevalent.
I found a video on YouTube where a guy has two Android phones with similar specs side-by-side, one with 1GB of RAM and the other with 2GB. The lag between switching applications caused by having to restart ones that get killed due to low memory is jarring.
But, since reality says it's cheaper to just buy a new device, that's probably what I'll do (in time anyway). That new one from HP (Slatebook X2 I think it's called) looks quite nice. Tegra4/Cortex-A15 with 2GB of RAM, HD display, and keyboard dock included for $479USD. Yummy!
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For my money, I'd rather swap out the 1GB memory chip for either a 2 or 4GB module. Slow I/O wouldn't be as big a deal if the system could keep more things in RAM, and it would prolong the device life as well. The specs on these things are great, but I fear having only 1GB of RAM will start to really hurt as programs get larger and high-definition assets become more prevalent.
I found a video on YouTube where a guy has two Android phones with similar specs side-by-side, one with 1GB of RAM and the other with 2GB. The lag between switching applications caused by having to restart ones that get killed due to low memory is jarring.
But, since reality says it's cheaper to just buy a new device, that's probably what I'll do (in time anyway). That new one from HP (Slatebook X2 I think it's called) looks quite nice. Tegra4/Cortex-A15 with 2GB of RAM, HD display, and keyboard dock included for $479USD. Yummy!
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You are correct about being able to pack more things into RAM to make things faster and smoother, but I can hardly watch a full HD movie from the internal storage without the tablet beginning to become crippled.
I am eager to start seeing tablets with the tag "Intel Inside" lol. And maybe instead of a sdcard thingy, how about a full sata III SSD , wouldnt that be sweet? lol a i/o speed to keep up with RAM . The new convertible tablets that can run Android or Windows 8 seem really sweet that have SSDs and internal SD cards but right now they are way to much for me.
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You are correct about being able to pack more things into RAM to make things faster and smoother, but I can hardly watch a full HD movie from the internal storage without the tablet beginning to become crippled.
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Can you elaborate? How does it get crippled?
I am eager to start seeing tablets with the tag "Intel Inside" lol.
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If Intel can do it without needing active cooling, I'm all for it. There's actually some obscure model Transformer powered by an Intel chip and it looks absolutely ridiculous -- the body is rather thick and it needs big ol' cooling vents on the back.
And maybe instead of a sdcard thingy, how about a full sata III SSD , wouldnt that be sweet? lol a i/o speed to keep up with RAM .
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I can't imagine what adding an SSD using SATA3 would do to the price. :laugh:
The new convertible tablets that can run Android or Windows 8 seem really sweet that have SSDs and internal SD cards but right now they are way to much for me.
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Got a link? I'd like to see.
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Can you elaborate? How does it get crippled?
When watching a movie, the i/o speed is not good enough to do other stuff with it. Like when you ae watching a movie, it is kind of a idle thinking, and if you would want to move files to the device from your computer while watching a movie. The movie will lag and the file transfer would be extremely slow.
If Intel can do it without needing active cooling, I'm all for it. There's actually some obscure model Transformer powered by an Intel chip and it looks absolutely ridiculous -- the body is rather thick and it needs big ol' cooling vents on the back.
Yeah Intel makes monster CPUs though. I am sure behind the scenes in Intel's labs they got processors for mobile devices already and are finalizing them. But the speed would be great .
I can't imagine what adding an SSD using SATA3 would do to the price. :laugh:
SSDs have gone down a lot, but for the performance increase and paying $50 for a 32GB SSD
Got a link? I'd like to see.
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http://androidcommunity.com/asus-tr...d-android-dual-boot-tablet-hands-on-20120604/
I cannot find the article/tablet about a smaller one but there is one, its kinda big though lol.
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If Intel can do it without needing active cooling, I'm all for it.
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Silvermont looks promising.
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I can't imagine what adding an SSD using SATA3 would do to the price. :laugh:
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I'd happily pay 10% more for my device to get 1000% more I/O performance.
Agreed.
Ahh well, frustrating. Possibly the advent of a new flagship transformer may solve this.
How is the pad phone in this regard?
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When watching a movie, the i/o speed is not good enough to do other stuff with it. Like when you ae watching a movie, it is kind of a idle thinking, and if you would want to move files to the device from your computer while watching a movie. The movie will lag and the file transfer would be extremely slow.
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Ah, I see. Android isn't much of a multitasker as far as foreground applications go, so I wasn't sure how you could've been doing something else while watching a movie. I try to do as much as I can from the microSD card, which makes me kind of sad thinking about it
Yeah Intel makes monster CPUs though. I am sure behind the scenes in Intel's labs they got processors for mobile devices already and are finalizing them. But the speed would be great.
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Indeed. Although, the Cortex-A15 chips look pretty good. The hardware virtualization extensions are especially interesting. It's not really practical without a good amount of RAM, but the prospect of running an x86 virtual machine at near native speed on my tablet makes me tingle with excitement!
SSDs have gone down a lot, but for the performance increase and paying $50 for a 32GB SSD
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Didn't realize they had gotten that cheap. Of course, you're also going to be paying for the SATA controller, and for some engineers to work it into the hardware and software design.
http://androidcommunity.com/asus-tr...d-android-dual-boot-tablet-hands-on-20120604/
I cannot find the article/tablet about a smaller one but there is one, its kinda big though lol.
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Thanks, I'll check it out!
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Silvermont looks promising.
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Cool! Another thing I'll have to check out.
I'd happily pay 10% more for my device to get 1000% more I/O performance.
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Heh, If ASUS cheaped out on the internal storage in the first place to maximize profits, what makes you think they're going to only charge you the "off-the-shelf" price for the additional hardware?
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Indeed. Although, the Cortex-A15 chips look pretty good. The hardware virtualization extensions are especially interesting. It's not really practical without a good amount of RAM, but the prospect of running an x86 virtual machine at near native speed on my tablet makes me tingle with excitement!
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I don't think that these virtualization extensions magically make the ARM CPU run x86 code anywhere near native speed.
But these will:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6936/...tecture-revealed-getting-serious-about-mobile
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6975/amd-kabini-apus-detailed
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Didn't realize they had gotten that cheap. Of course, you're also going to be paying for the SATA controller, and for some engineers to work it into the hardware and software design.
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Tegra 3 already has a built-in SATA controller.
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Heh, If ASUS cheaped out on the internal storage in the first place to maximize profits, what makes you think they're going to only charge you the "off-the-shelf" price for the additional hardware?
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If I can buy it "off the shelf" for amount X, that includes taxes, shipping, packaging, warranty, distributor's and ratailer margins - so a manufacturer should be easily able to get it for X/2. But I don't expect ASUS to build the device exactly as I want anyway...
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I don't think that these virtualization extensions magically make the ARM CPU run x86 code anywhere near native speed.
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True, I haven't been able to find much data yet on how the extensions compare to their x86 counterparts, but I would think they should do quite well. Is there any reason why the combination of QEMU and KVM wouldn't be able to pull this off?
But these will:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6936/...tecture-revealed-getting-serious-about-mobile
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6975/amd-kabini-apus-detailed
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Lots of good stuff here, thanks.
Tegra 3 already has a built-in SATA controller.
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Whaaa? I had no idea (obviously).
If I can buy it "off the shelf" for amount X, that includes taxes, shipping, packaging, warranty, distributor's and ratailer margins - so a manufacturer should be easily able to get it for X/2. But I don't expect ASUS to build the device exactly as I want anyway...
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Hmm, I guess you've got me there.
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True, I haven't been able to find much data yet on how the extensions compare to their x86 counterparts, but I would think they should do quite well. Is there any reason why the combination of QEMU and KVM wouldn't be able to pull this off?
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I'm sure that it will work, but given that the Android emulator is quite slow even on a fast PC (emulating ARM on x86), I doubt that the inverse emulation on a less powerful CPU will be fast enough to run Windows (and I can't think of any other reason why one would want x86).
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I'm sure that it will work, but given that the Android emulator is quite slow even on a fast PC (emulating ARM on x86), I doubt that the inverse emulation on a less powerful CPU will be fast enough to run Windows (and I can't think of any other reason why one would want x86).
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Which emulator are you referring to?
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Which emulator are you referring to?
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The one from the SDK.
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The one from the SDK.
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Ah. That one doesn't make use of the KVM for ARM virtualization. So, yes, it will run like a dog with no legs.
For now, I guess I'll have to play the wait-and-see game, but I'm hopeful that the geniuses that have made it possible for me to run two Linux systems and a Windows system on top of another Linux system with excellent performance for all four at the same time can make it happen. Although, I am realistic and know that x86 on ARM may not be quite as good as x86 on x86.
(It doesn't *have* to be Windows on the tablet by the way, running a full Linux stack in a virtual machine rather than dual-booting or chrooting or some other nonsense is appealing to me at least. )