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I think the worst thing about this is how it will affect the everyday Samsung phone user. They've already shown they are willing to even preemptively alter software (local search) in order to avoid lawsuits and after the court loss it's only going to get worse. What updates are on the horizon as Samsung scrambles to avoid more jury "decisions" and patent cases? Sure, maybe it forces them to do something new and imaginative and finally dump the questionable TouchWiz, but the short term could mean bad OTA updates for people who bought an amazing phone. I know I won't be going back to stock.
Some people are wondering why Samsung/Google don't wage war back holding parts or search hostage, but the reality is that they need Apple more than Apple needs them. The gigantic marketshare they hold means Google needs their users eyeballs, and Samsung cannot lose the income from supplying iComponents. They even released a statement during the trial stating they considered the divisions absolutely sealed from one another, signaling loud and clear to Apple it won't even be a bargaining chip.
I hate this. It's all the more sickly ironic when you think back to Apple fighting to survive in Microsoft's shadow, now playing an even worse villain. And Microsoft is probably the one who wins from all this. It seemed like maybe the general tech press was starting to get wise and there was a small voice of outrage beyond just the Android community starting to form in the face of this bulls***, but now that the iPhone and mini-iPad are launching it's just going to be months of the gadget press fellating a minor upgrade in software and form as Apple steamrolls more competitors.
I never understood the Apple vs Microsoft debate, like If you want a PC, just buy one and forget about Mac, who cares it's a computer. But in light of current press, I see the reasoning and I also see why Apple needs to die. Shame on them
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I would also guess that the parts Samsung sells for iPhones are under an ironclad contract and would just create another law suit. Maybe when that contract is up Samsung will double the price of those parts to get their money back.
Just be prepared for all the ones who havent purchased the SGS3 yet. Apple is now going after 4 more devices that Samsung has released since the trial to remove them from the market, and the SGS3 is one of them. It was all over Fox News yesterday. Greedy ass Apple cant take the fact that Android is overtaking them by storm, and they cant compete with the technology and speed Android now has over Apple.
What I am going to find interesting is what other technology Apple will try to use(if they try) since Samsung holds a Lte patent
Samsung already said they are ready to file a suit if the next Iphone has Lte
Imagine the Iphone being banned in the US..... heaven....
From what I understand Samsung is going to keep to its promise and take it to an appeals court that deals more directly with patents.
I saw a list of just a few of the phones that were listed that apple wanted to ban from sales, some of which like the droid charge are 1. out of date and not a big seller anyway and 2. look nothing like the iphone. It amazes me to see how low a company will go to corner the market in the smartphone/tablet industry.
I also know that the galaxy s 3 is a target of apples and the court date is sometime in 2014, which doesnt make a bit of sense since by that time the galaxy s 4 will be out or had been out for sometime and a newer phone would be on the horizon. So the lawsuit to ban the product will be irrelevant, but apple will still try to make a profit off it due to patents.
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From what I understand Samsung is going to keep to its promise and take it to an appeals court that deals more directly with patents.
I saw a list of just a few of the phones that were listed that apple wanted to ban from sales, some of which like the droid charge are 1. out of date and not a big seller anyway and 2. look nothing like the iphone. It amazes me to see how low a company will go to corner the market in the smartphone/tablet industry.
I also know that the galaxy s 3 is a target of apples and the court date is sometime in 2014, which doesnt make a bit of sense since by that time the galaxy s 4 will be out or had been out for sometime and a newer phone would be on the horizon. So the lawsuit to ban the product will be irrelevant, but apple will still try to make a profit off it due to patents.
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Yeah the ban is not really an issue, but the damages will most likely be in billions of $. No really the issue either...
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I also know that the galaxy s 3 is a target of apples and the court date is sometime in 2014, which doesnt make a bit of sense since by that time the galaxy s 4 will be out or had been out for sometime and a newer phone would be on the horizon. So the lawsuit to ban the product will be irrelevant, but apple will still try to make a profit off it due to patents.
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Part of the strategy is to hamper development of the S4, the same as Apple actually had a hand in the S3 (and later versions of the S2) being more round-ish than the original S2. Samsung will probably have to limit certain features of any new phones to avoid the traps Apple has laid (like having the product banned for using unified search, slide to unlock, spelling prediction, and any number of bone-stupid things Apple should have no business dictating to anyone else.) In dodging Apple's bull****, Sammy has more limited design options for the S4 right out of the gate- and like the S3 and Galaxy Note 10.1 that clearly they made look nothing like Apple's stuff... they'll probably STILL get sued.
I like to remind people how Apple blocking sales of the Galaxy Nexus reveals their true motivations. Why? The GNexus doesn't look anything like any of Apple's products, but more importantly, it runs STOCK Android- not Samsung's touchwiz. Apple could basically have sued ANYONE using the same bull**** reasons as they did to block the Nexus, but they once again went after a flagship device that they don't want in the market.
So next time you hear some Apple-apologist say the predictable: "Well if Samsung would just stop copying Apple blah blah blah..." just slap them. It's already public record: Apple sues to block Samsung's most successful designs no-matter-what. Resembles iPhone or not / Touchwiz or completely stock Android. Doesn't matter.
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What I am going to find interesting is what other technology Apple will try to use(if they try) since Samsung holds a Lte patent
Samsung already said they are ready to file a suit if the next Iphone has Lte
Imagine the Iphone being banned in the US..... heaven....
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Apple is a lot of things, but one of them is not stupid. There is just no way that they have been this aggressive toward Samsung if Samsung truly does have this supposed hammer in their back pocket. Worst case, Apple has to pay fair licensing fees for standards essential patents--anything beyond that just doesn't pass the smell test IMO.
The latest iPad is 4G LTE, so I'm not quite sure where people get this idea from that Apple has/will have any problem using LTE in the iPhone 5.
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I just came back to the droid universe, after my wife and I went thru seven Droid X2s. Verizon gave me a free move to an iPhone 4s, and I enjoyed it for a time, but I needed the LTE due to my iPhone really not doing well with data at my office. If I ever thought the battery was crap on the iPhone, I was sorely mistaken, it's terribad on this S3, and that's with Mobile Data turned off, using wifi. That being said, I am really enjoying the new hardware, and thank god there is a decent amount of community support for this device. And LTE just blew the socks off my fiber home internet connection, hell, it doubled it!
Side note, why do people compare hardware + software to the android OS? Pick an android phone and compare it to an iPhone. Don't lump every damn manufacturer of an android phone and compare it to an iPhone. The problem, for me, has always been that the iPhone has a bigger selection of apps and a LOT better accessories. Sounds simple, but when you can't find that exact case that suits you, owning an amazing device with little support... it sucks. I would never trade my new iPad for any android based tablet... can't say the same for phones tho. (although my iPhone just sold for $357 on ebay, which would never happen with any one year old android phone) I pray that Samsung sticks with this handset design... that will foster a lot of aftermarket support. Manufacturers don't like change. Make the internals better, make the the software amazing... just keep a form factor around for a bit. THAT'S why apple does so well, they have a ton of aftermarket support for a crap product that's a year or two late.
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I just came back to the droid universe, after my wife and I went thru seven Droid X2s. Verizon gave me a free move to an iPhone 4s, and I enjoyed it for a time, but I needed the LTE due to my iPhone really not doing well with data at my office. If I ever thought the battery was crap on the iPhone, I was sorely mistaken, it's terribad on this S3, and that's with Mobile Data turned off, using wifi. That being said, I am really enjoying the new hardware, and thank god there is a decent amount of community support for this device. And LTE just blew the socks off my fiber home internet connection, hell, it doubled it!
Side note, why do people compare hardware + software to the android OS? Pick an android phone and compare it to an iPhone. Don't lump every damn manufacturer of an android phone and compare it to an iPhone. The problem, for me, has always been that the iPhone has a bigger selection of apps and a LOT better accessories. Sounds simple, but when you can't find that exact case that suits you, owning an amazing device with little support... it sucks. I would never trade my new iPad for any android based tablet... can't say the same for phones tho. (although my iPhone just sold for $357 on ebay, which would never happen with any one year old android phone) I pray that Samsung sticks with this handset design... that will foster a lot of aftermarket support. Manufacturers don't like change. Make the internals better, make the the software amazing... just keep a form factor around for a bit. THAT'S why apple does so well, they have a ton of aftermarket support for a crap product that's a year or two late.
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I'd have to think that you have a defective phone. Battery life on this beast is incredible. I easily get 24 hours and 4-5 hours of screen time on this phone. And that is with a much bigger screen than the iPhone. As far as resale value, that will be determined when the next phone comes out. I got $280 for a refurb rezound. Not bad.
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mdt73 said:
I just came back to the droid universe, after my wife and I went thru seven Droid X2s. Verizon gave me a free move to an iPhone 4s, and I enjoyed it for a time, but I needed the LTE due to my iPhone really not doing well with data at my office. If I ever thought the battery was crap on the iPhone, I was sorely mistaken, it's terribad on this S3, and that's with Mobile Data turned off, using wifi. That being said, I am really enjoying the new hardware, and thank god there is a decent amount of community support for this device. And LTE just blew the socks off my fiber home internet connection, hell, it doubled it!
Side note, why do people compare hardware + software to the android OS? Pick an android phone and compare it to an iPhone. Don't lump every damn manufacturer of an android phone and compare it to an iPhone. The problem, for me, has always been that the iPhone has a bigger selection of apps and a LOT better accessories. Sounds simple, but when you can't find that exact case that suits you, owning an amazing device with little support... it sucks. I would never trade my new iPad for any android based tablet... can't say the same for phones tho. (although my iPhone just sold for $357 on ebay, which would never happen with any one year old android phone) I pray that Samsung sticks with this handset design... that will foster a lot of aftermarket support. Manufacturers don't like change. Make the internals better, make the the software amazing... just keep a form factor around for a bit. THAT'S why apple does so well, they have a ton of aftermarket support for a crap product that's a year or two late.
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I had an iphone 4s for like 7 months and I can honestly say that the battery on my s3 is as good or better than the 4s. Also I don't know what stores you shop at but every one I've been to has cases and such for the s3 widely available.
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I had an iphone 4s for like 7 months and I can honestly say that the battery on my s3 is as good or better than the 4s. Also I don't know what stores you shop at but every one I've been to has cases and such for the s3 widely available.
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Yesterday was spent just getting situated with the phone and rooting it. Today I am going to read up a ton more and get smarter on it, hopefully, lol.
Regarding cases and such, you misunderstood me. I know we're both S3 owners, and we might even consider ourselves fanboys... but take the time to be honest about everything that goes with a phone, including accessories. We WANT to have the plethora available to us like Apple does, but we're not even close. Samsung finally stopped releasing different types of the same phone to different carriers, which helped a ton. Where you are not looking at is every other flippin Android device out there. I was a very early owner of the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1. Very little community support for that device, even here on xda. Usually "community" turns into iPad or Galaxy Tab bashing... and there's not a ton of residual community. At least, for now, the S3 is sexy and everyone seems to enjoy them. The minute the S4 comes out... next year?, this community will dry up. That's the problem for me... I have seen what a large community can do for a phone, which touches almost every part of my life. Hell, I almost bought a rezound over this phone, because of the screen and the radio... but that community might as well be called a ghost town.
Quick question, are you saying a stock S3 is better than an iPhone with regards to battery life? I just started testing out the stock battery tools... trying to not load up a rom yet, as I seriously have owned the phone for less than 24 hours and want to at least know what I am fixing first, lol.
this flame war is getting annoying
My friend started with the 1st IPhone, went all they to the 4S...he just got an S3 2 weeks ago...his quote:
"ok.. so i have used an iphone and now a samsung .... the iphone completely sucks compared to this, and I haven't used 1/10 of the damn phone yet".
Just wait til he learns to root and flash!
Thanks for sharing that
I have a similar friend. He was one of those die-hard iphone fans that was interviewed by the local paper because he was first in line when the iphone4 came out. He loves his SIII but is jealous of my Note II
heh, i had a 3g when they were new and was constantly frustrated with it. it would turn itself off in cold weather, the speakers were inaudible, call quality was so-so. the network speeds were barely 3g, it didn't record video for atleast 2 years after launch then it was only 3rd party becase apple released the 3gs with video and wanted a selling point but the third party stuff was low framerate, not that video on that piece would be any good with a camera that was unusable indoors. it didn't mms for a year before it was updated and att decided it was ok. media sync was only through itunes and picture were only acessable through windows camera drivers. i had a wifi share app because i had windows xp-64bit (it didn't catch on and apple didn't have drivers) and the wifi app allowed me into the camera storage but apple made them change it. f-you Steve jobs. i'd have traded the great touch screen for a phone that wasn't such a piece or ****e in other regards. and why on earth didn't the iphone have turn by turn, why are apple people pissing themselve over that now with a nav app that doesnt even work? the damn lg envy had turn by turn.
so when my contract was up i got an aria, didn't get the captivate because i am not swayed by specs and $300 on contract was a stupid price. on day 29 of having an aria realizing i love android but hate the aria due to a screen that was not usable in sunlight, and the power widget was not just a nice feature it was a neccesity because htc had no idea how to manage battery life i returned it and get the cappy which dropped in price significantly by then. loved that phone but didn't like the pentile screen or the sloppy development it recieved. so i got the infuse and have been reasonably happy.
now i talk to apple user and every complaint i had about the iphone they say ohh "apple fixed that with the cloud" or what ever refering to storage limitations and syncing options. apple cloud services suck. googles are awesome no contest. if they loved the cloud so much they'd have androids. its sad soo many people don't even know what android has to offer. remember all the hype the 4s was gonna get facial recognition but it didn't and the g-nex got it and nobody seemed to notice? or the big deal about siri but google had a decent voice search for how many years? not as polished sure but they had it, and siri is no contest for google now. having actual conversations with machines is over rated. now i see people talking about apples panoramic photos.. wtf? people only know things exist because apple puts it on tv... my captivate had panoramic photos almost 3 years ago!
the crazy thing is the iphone has great hardware. it could do so much more if apple wanted it to.. they are letting google and samsung come up with all the new ideas and trying to sue over the old ideas. where is the inovation from apple because i haven't seen it in 4 years. they have only worked behind the curve to change the shortcomings of they original product and miss the mark on execution.
http://www.sammobile.com/2014/03/27/opinion-samsungs-galaxy-note-is-the-iphone-of-the-android-world/
Great Article, worth reading.
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sohebq said:
http://www.sammobile.com/2014/03/27/opinion-samsungs-galaxy-note-is-the-iphone-of-the-android-world/
Great Article, worth reading.
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Actually no, the Sx (last year S4, soon S5) is the iphone of the Android world, with around 30-40 million units sold for the yearly Sx vs about 3-5 for the corresponding Note. Vs around 50 million iphones.
The Note is like a super-iphone, which in 1-2 years Apple will probably also "invent" (read - steal the idea) in order to reverse the current trend in their sales.
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Actually the article compared the loyality of iphone with Samsung. Its true that note series users are more satisfied with samsung than S series users. I have hardly seen anyone going from note 2 or note 3 to small screens or even similar but I have seen a lot of users from S series moved to sony, htc and Lg.
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Actually the article compared the loyality of iphone with Samsung. Its true that note series users are more satisfied with samsung than S series users. I have hardly seen anyone going from note 2 or note 3 to small screens or even similar but I have seen a lot of users from S series moved to sony, htc and Lg.
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Former S user using Note 3 and more then happy, next phone will be a Note series, S series no more thanks.
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Actually no, the Sx (last year S4, soon S5) is the iphone of the Android world, with around 30-40 million units sold for the yearly Sx vs about 3-5 for the corresponding Note. Vs around 50 million iphones.
The Note is like a super-iphone, which in 1-2 years Apple will probably also "invent" (read - steal the idea) in order to reverse the current trend in their sales.
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What the article was really saying is people with the note series tend to be more faithfully then the s series just like Apple fanboys are with iPhones
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What the article was really saying is people with the note series tend to be more faithfully then the s series just like Apple fanboys are with iPhones
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A lot of that is not a matter of "being faithful to the brand" but instead a combination of a very minor part of that plus:
- no alternative to S-Pen
- no alternative phablets with microSD + replaceable battery + enough mass to have both a decent accessory market and a decent ROM prospect in the future (if you think that Samsung is not great with the updates consider that most of the Chinese stuff never gets any update and are never supported by something like CM).
That being said - the Note line is not the main cash-cow, 3-5 million units is very little compared to 50 million units; it is far from zero so it is a pretty lucrative niche, but still not in the first line, and the way I see the evolution of things with Samsung I would expect that S5 mini might get a lot more attention from a certain segment of the market (but that depends a lot on the specs and even more so on the price).
It's much easier to be faithful to a unique product that meets specific needs, than it is to a product designed to have as wide an appeal as possible.
The iPhone, like the Galaxy S4/S5, is designed for mass-market, to be a flagship, primarily bought on contract by technical and non-technical consumers and primarily from network operator stores. People walk in wanting 'an iPhone' or 'a Galaxy' and will be led to what is considered 'best' at the time.
The Note is not going to appeal to everyone due to its size - something some people hate it for - so when people buy one, they are doing so having researched and thought carefully about their needs. They buy that product specifically and tend to know their requirements technically and specifically.
Therefore loyalty will be higher, it has been a very deliberate and considered decision.
Robster83 said:
It's much easier to be faithful to a unique product that meets specific needs, than it is to a product designed to have as wide an appeal as possible.
The iPhone, like the Galaxy S4/S5, is designed for mass-market, to be a flagship, primarily bought on contract by technical and non-technical consumers and primarily from network operator stores. People walk in wanting 'an iPhone' or 'a Galaxy' and will be led to what is considered 'best' at the time.
The Note is not going to appeal to everyone due to its size - something some people hate it for - so when people buy one, they are doing so having researched and thought carefully about their needs. They buy that product specifically and tend to know their requirements technically and specifically.
Therefore loyalty will be higher, it has been a very deliberate and considered decision.
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Very true. I do miss the size of the smaller phones though. But when it comes to reading and watching media, note is brilliant
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How?
iPhones have hardware of 2 years ago, the Note is ahead of everyone.
People who use iPhones are blind to all their faults, we grumble and complain about KNOX on a daily basis.
iPhones are meant for users who want simple, our Note has more features than an iPhone user can handle.
iPhons are meant for the common cattle, our Note 3 is meant for a specific group of people.
I'm not seeing it. We love our Note 3 because there is, in terms of hardware, nothing out there of equal level. Even the newer devices are less. But we are not blind to its faults.
ShadowLea said:
How?
iPhones have hardware of 2 years ago, the Note is ahead of everyone.
People who use iPhones are blind to all their faults, we grumble and complain about KNOX on a daily basis.
iPhones are meant for users who want simple, our Note has more features than an iPhone user can handle.
iPhons are meant for the common cattle, our Note 3 is meant for a specific group of people.
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IPhone is not a phone, it's more like your buying IOS with the hardware you can afford.... and speaking my mind, the moment Nokia WP8 has a pen device( or enhanced screen tap precision), bye bye arrogant Google android& crappy Sammy...:good:
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IPhone is not a phone, it's more like your buying IOS with the hardware you can afford.... and speaking my mind, the moment Nokia WP8 has a pen device( or enhanced screen tap precision), bye bye arrogant Google android& crappy Sammy...:good:
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ShadowLea said:
How?
iPhones have hardware of 2 years ago, the Note is ahead of everyone.
People who use iPhones are blind to all their faults, we grumble and complain about KNOX on a daily basis.
iPhones are meant for users who want simple, our Note has more features than an iPhone user can handle.
iPhons are meant for the common cattle, our Note 3 is meant for a specific group of people.
I'm not seeing it. We love our Note 3 because there is, in terms of hardware, nothing out there of equal level. Even the newer devices are less. But we are not blind to its faults.
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I do agree with you, but not entirely. I am a huge Android fanboy and after switching from iOS I've never looked back. However Apple has made iOS very specific to it's hardware it's a marriage between software and hardware that works They do have some very cool features aswell. Sapphire glass, a faster response touch screen, 64bit processor, camera that does 120fps video.
I still recommend iPhone to certain people that aren't interested in custom Roms and want a phone with a very basic interface. iPhone does that really well. The phone itself is very pretty and has a really premium feel to it.
I personally cannot handle the restrictions especially iTunes! As well as not being able to simply bluetooth a simple file from one device to another.
Credit where credit is due though.
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LiMz said:
I do agree with you, but not entirely. I am a huge Android fanboy and after switching from iOS I've never looked back. However Apple has made iOS very specific to it's hardware it's a marriage between software and hardware that works They do have some very cool features aswell. Sapphire glass, a faster response touch screen, 64bit processor, camera that does 120fps video.
I still recommend iPhone to certain people that aren't interested in custom Roms and want a phone with a very basic interface. iPhone does that really well. The phone itself is very pretty and has a really premium feel to it.
I personally cannot handle the restrictions especially iTunes! As well as not being able to simply bluetooth a simple file from one device to another.
Credit where credit is due though.
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You do realize a 64bit CPU is entirely pointless with only 1GB RAM? Its main feature is to support more than 3GB... Another one of those typical "I have it. Can't use it, don't know what it's for, but I have it and you don't" gimmicks on an iPhone...
What I hate most about Apple is the ridiculous process of files communicating between itself and the system. Try editing a .mp3 and then setting it as a ringtone. Can't be done without a computer with itunes to transfer the file from the phone to the pc and back to the phone. What. The. Bleeding. Hell.
I've had iPhone users comment on how much faster my Note 3 is than their iPhone 5S... So... (Also, how they love the homescreen and its freedom.)
As for premium feel... So far I've seen maybe 6 iphones without a broken screen. (And I commute an average of 7 hours a day on the busy Berlin-Schiphol airport train.) There's not much premium about a shattered screen, nor is there anything premium about needing a hideous rubber case to prevent said screen from breaking when you drop it from more than 5cm...
I'll recommend iPhones too, to 92 year old grannies who have never used a phone, or the sad little people who think more than 1 button is too complicated. (Those are the same people I recommend they remove themselves from the gene pool to improve it.)
My dad has never owned a smartphone until last month (He never saw the point. He does now.) and the very first thing he said was "I'd rather have no phone at all than one of those dictator-iphones. I want to decide what it does, not the phone. If I wanted to be dictated in everything by someone else, I'd go live in North Korea." The man has a point... :highfive: (So he bought an LG L5-II, and this morning he shows up at the breakfast table with a "I've been thinking about getting the same phone as you." :victory: Success!)
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You do realize a 64bit CPU is entirely pointless with only 1GB RAM? Its main feature is to support more than 3GB... Another one of those typical "I have it. Can't use it, don't know what it's for, but I have it and you don't" gimmicks on an iPhone...
What I hate most about Apple is the ridiculous process of files communicating between itself and the system. Try editing a .mp3 and then setting it as a ringtone. Can't be done without a computer with itunes to transfer the file from the phone to the pc and back to the phone. What. The. Bleeding. Hell.
I've had iPhone users comment on how much faster my Note 3 is than their iPhone 5S... So... (Also, how they love the homescreen and its freedom.)
As for premium feel... So far I've seen maybe 6 iphones without a broken screen. (And I commute an average of 7 hours a day on the busy Berlin-Schiphol airport train.) There's not much premium about a shattered screen, nor is there anything premium about needing a hideous rubber case to prevent said screen from breaking when you drop it from more than 5cm...
I'll recommend iPhones too, to 92 year old grannies who have never used a phone, or the sad little people who think more than 1 button is too complicated. (Those are the same people I recommend they remove themselves from the gene pool to improve it.)
My dad has never owned a smartphone until last month (He never saw the point. He does now.) and the very first thing he said was "I'd rather have no phone at all than one of those dictator-iphones. I want to decide what it does, not the phone. If I wanted to be dictated in everything by someone else, I'd go live in North Korea." The man has a point... :highfive: (So he bought an LG L5-II, and this morning he shows up at the breakfast table with a "I've been thinking about getting the same phone as you." :victory: Success!)
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iTunes really is a killjoy.
And yup, widgets and home screens make your phone a whole lot more informative and pretty.
If you could change something about your note 3. What would it be?
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LiMz said:
iTunes really is a killjoy.
And yup, widgets and home screens make your phone a whole lot more informative and pretty.
If you could change something about your note 3. What would it be?
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Apart from KNOX?
I'd want the USB3 to work as USB3 and not as 2.1 , get rid of that bottleneck MTP (google's fault that) and a different, bigger sensor in the camera. The camera is rubbish, but I didn't buy the phone for that. (I own an EOS70D) It's still a flaw, though.
I haven't had the same issue with speaker quality as others mention so I can't comment on that.
ShadowLea said:
Apart from KNOX?
I'd want the USB3 to work as USB3 and not as 2.1 , get rid of that bottleneck MTP (google's fault that) and a different, bigger sensor in the camera. The camera is rubbish, but I didn't buy the phone for that. (I own an EOS70D) It's still a flaw, though.
I haven't had the same issue with speaker quality as others mention so I can't comment on that.
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Speaker sound is "muffled" that's for sure, and the volume a bit low... Even my previous S3 sounded better, especially when applying the volume increase MOD (Ahhhh... miss the root features, :crying... I know it's too much to ask for apart from all the premium features, but another speaker on the top would have given the sound a great stereo, surround feel
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Apart from KNOX?
I'd want the USB3 to work as USB3 and not as 2.1 , get rid of that bottleneck MTP (google's fault that) and a different, bigger sensor in the camera. The camera is rubbish, but I didn't buy the phone for that. (I own an EOS70D) It's still a flaw, though.
I haven't had the same issue with speaker quality as others mention so I can't comment on that.
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I enjoy the camera though. I have a Sony SLT-A57. Obviously can't mention the two in the same breath but For a tiny sensor it does quite well. What's your take on the HTC upx sensor? I'm contemplating an M8
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I enjoy the camera though. I have a Sony SLT-A57. Obviously can't mention the two in the same breath but For a tiny sensor it does quite well. What's your take on the HTC upx sensor? I'm contemplating an M8
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Dual 4MP, not familiar with that system, but it's still a 1/3.0" sensor. The problem is they make smartphone CMOS from the rubbush left over from the plate they use to make the rest of the sensors. Middle bit of the plate is the best and goes in a Full-frame, next the APS-C, then the lower end DSLRs, then the high end compacts, then the low end compacts, and whatever is left over is used in smartphones.
So even with 100Map ,you'd still get the aquarel effect, blur, noise and colour issues. We're quintessentially dealing with rubbish.
Wait for a few of the serious picture tests, they might give a better indication.
imho the only android device that competes with an iPhone is the Google nexus series . Apple is a lot better than Samsung quality wise , also their warranty is a lot less a hassle , Sammy has lost its way and is actually writing its own version of the communist manifesto.
Despite KNOX and things like cheap plastic, I still like Samsung for many reasons. They will always create products that will fit users need and they will present it that way. For those who are not on note series considers it huge in size, not pocket friendly and so on. But those who have used it knows that this is true class of Samsung and this is to be kept. I have seen many S series users moving away from Samsung but hardly saw anyone from note series to move. This is Loyalty.
Samsung Galaxy S II plus is probably the worst phone I've ever had. In it's time of course. But certainly and by far the worst of the three smart phones I've had. Or I can't really call it a smart phone because it wasn't exactly smart. I mean the look was fine. But that was about it. Before the S2 I had a SONY Experia Mini Pro which I found rather nice. But after it had died - as a Mac user I thought of iPhone and considered it unjustifiably expensive. Over the top. So I looked around, read all the reviews and bought the S2. That's where the drag started. And it went on for another three months! It never broke down it never froze but it never really worked or delivered results either. There always seemed to be some inexplicable BUT. As someone used to the indulgent efficiency of Apple products I couldn't bear it any longer. Some three day ago a good man replied to my advertisement - with a deep relief I gave him the S2 and 120€ and he gave me a worn-out iPhone 4s. All the problems I'd have with the tiam-tun somehow miraculously evaporated the first night and I woke up into new days without a device that never really works, presumably speaks some outlandish language you just can't understand, which keeps being a nuisance and is not much of use.
Yes it cannot make coffee... it cannot help me to shave...neither helps me to get ready I m so unhappy...a dumb phone indeed.. my to be wife is much smarter
+1 =))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) very bad that this smart cannot even buy a products =((
doctor_droid said:
Yes it cannot make coffee... it cannot help me to shave...neither helps me to get ready I m so unhappy...a dumb phone indeed.. my to be wife is much smarter
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Dear apple fanboy.
S2 Plus is a BUDGET PHONE. iPhone is a Premium class phone. Do not expect miracle from phone worth 200$
No comparisons
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Yes it cannot make coffee... it cannot help me to shave...neither helps me to get ready I m so unhappy...a dumb phone indeed.. my to be wife is much smarter
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You're absolutely right - it does not make coffee, it does not help me to shave, neither does it help me to get ready. I don't need, want nor expect it to. Do you? Or do you know a phone that does that? I certainly wouldn't want one. Anyway, there' s only one crucial mistake in what you're saying - I'm not at all unhappy - you see I've sold the Samsung. And bought an iPhone. But I'm actually quite the opposite of what you're suggesting - I don't play games on my iPhone or Macs - not even "social media" games - in fact I use very few apps. I don't even use my iPhone to tell me the time - I use a proper wristwatch. I don't even use my iPhone to wake me up - at night it's switched off and the role of waking me up is left to my alarm clock. But yes - I do expect my phone to phone. And text and direct me to places and remind me things, generate bank codes for internet banking, take and send pictures and that's about it. And I do expect the device to do it in a smooth way. That's why I'm happy with iPhone - there are no other reasons. By the way you're saying that your wife to be is much smarter than me? How do you know? Anyway it's so rare and therefore interesting to hear that from an Indian man.
The problem with nearly all active Apple haters is that they have a very hazy picture of the object they so passionately talk about. They've never used one. They just assume. They see the people queuing up for the latest Apple product in the news and assume that this is the Apple user. Envy flies high. The reason why Apple products keep their value over time so much is that they keep on serving you. I bought my iMac, MacBook and iPhone all second hand.
When a friend of mine years ago bought iPhone and kept telling me how wonderful it was I thought: "What's the deal - it's just a phone" - I didn't understand. It took me years to buy a smart phone - SONY Experia Mini Pro. And I thought: "What a brilliant thing to have". Then I bought the Samsung and the fight started. Had no option. Eventually I bought an iPhone and only then understood that other "smart phones" are just copies of the original. But just like me - you wouldn't believe or understand until you use one yourself. It's the same story you get with Apple computers…
Quite recently a university I know were given some EU grant for which they bought 50 MacBooks for the teachers, most of whom had presumably used Windows computers. Do you know what happened? There were 48 happy teachers. Two got back to Windows. 4%. And that's that. Save up and buy one - there's about 96% chance you'll love it the way Apple users love their device. It's beyond words…
It's not the design, it's not the apple, it's not the numbers. My father - when I showed him the iPhone and said something about the camera - asked me how many pixels it had. I said I had no idea. Then I showed him a picture and he went "Oh yeah." That's the story with Apple products - they are for those who don't care about the numbers and technical stuff - they are for people who are after what it does.
After I started using my iMac I entirely forgot I had a computer. I'm not interested in it the slightest bit. The device itself has ceased to exist. Never lets me know it's there either. No breakdowns, no moans. But what has come is work I'm now able to do. Suddenly I'm able to do much more work, in much better style and much higher quality. The device has completely vanished from sight. Suddenly I happen to have the capacity. Which in part had previously been given to the device. Now it's mine. Long gone are the times when I had to phone someone all the time being unable figure out how it's done. No more Windows, no more Android. No - never again - thanks! I want to use a tool which works for me, not against me.
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Dear apple fanboy.
S2 Plus is a BUDGET PHONE. iPhone is a Premium class phone. Do not expect miracle from phone worth 200$
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I'm not a blind Apple fan. I don't care what the name is. I don't care about the apple. I'd be perfectly happy with a different brand. In fact I have recently given back an Apple product because it was not doing what it was supposed to. In fact I had bought two other "smart phones" before the Apple. And I quite liked the SONY. It's only thanks to the fact that the SONY died and the Samsung so heavily failed. It's not about the brand. Not at all. And nor about price…
I certainly didn't expect miracles from the Samsung phone. But I didn't expect it to be as bad as it was either. I bought an iPhone 4s for as low as 240€ and can say that compared to the overpriced copy it indeed is a miracle - I certainly never imagined it to be this good. It's like going from a Windows PC to an iMac - first you can't believe it. Pull your socks up and save up for one - you won't be disappointed.
I'm starting to look for a new phone and the Essential has piqued my interest, but, it seems like there have been quite a few start up problems associated with new products.
So, since the World Mobile Congress is happening at the end of the month and Essential has a spot reserved in it, I was wondering if there has been any leaks, rumors or news associated with it? I was hoping for news of an Essential 2 or a ph-2? New release? Anything?
Thx.
Probably just new colors and accessories. They have their hands full dealing with the PH-1.
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Maybe they will showcase new PH-1 accessories that they have no intention of ever making. LOL
Just maybe, Essential is winding down their beta project (PH-1) and is focused on their first truly production phone.
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Just maybe, Essential is winding down their beta project (PH-1) and is focused on their first truly production phone.
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Maybe... Although with this phone flopping the way it did, I don't know how much I would invest in the next phone if I were them or their investors... The PH-1 was a failure. They lost money on every unit they sold. If Andy had not raised so much capital to keep them afloat, they would have closed their doors by now.
The vision was ambitious and great. The execution, not so much.
There are a lot of B.S. articles out there no doubt, and there were some growing pains... But I wouldn't give up my PH-1 for any other phone right now. I love it... no case since launch, and still looks great, camera is pretty good now. battery life spectacular, Looking forward to whatever they have to offer next
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There are a lot of B.S. articles out there no doubt, and there were some growing pains... But I wouldn't give up my PH-1 for any other phone right now. I love it... no case since launch, and still looks great, camera is pretty good now. battery life spectacular, Looking forward to whatever they have to offer next
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I like most things about it. I am just annoyed at bugs, and the progression of updates isn't as good as I would have hoped. Yes, they put out 16 camera updates over 5 months, but that isn't exactly a ringing endorsement... that they HAD to put out so many updates just to get the camera up to "mediocre" status... LOL
Like anything, if it works for you and makes you happy, enjoy it! I am just on the fence with it...
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Maybe... Although with this phone flopping the way it did, I don't know how much I would invest in the next phone if I were them or their investors... The PH-1 was a failure. They lost money on every unit they sold. If Andy had not raised so much capital to keep them afloat, they would have closed their doors by now.
The vision was ambitious and great. The execution, not so much.
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Failure?
You need to define failure.
I have a friend on Sprint that has hated just about every phone she had Android and iPhone.
She absolutely loves the PH-1.
I have a PH-1 and it is by far the best phone I've owned.
Here is my list that I've owned:
SCH-i600W (Windows flip phone)
SCH-i760
Treo 700W
BB Storm 1
BB Storm 2
DroidX
Droid Bionic
Droid Razr
Droid Razr Maxx
Galaxy S4
LG G3
iPhone 6 plus
Nexus 6P
LG G6
Essential PH-1
There are some true failures in that list.
If you want to base success on how many sold you might be right.
What they learned though was how difficult it is to launch a device.
They leaned to roll out updates.
They learned how they need to support customers.
They learned how to partner, although they picked a crappy one (Sprint).
But overall as a new player in the high end market, I wouldn't call them a failure.
Failure defined by sales numbers and how much money they lost on this phone.
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Yeah, few failures on that list. I have had a few that were not on the list as well, I am betting that we all have.
One thing that I will say, and this is based on several tech articles that I have read in the past couple weeks, is that the market is changing a bit. It's not the wide open market that it was in a lot of ways, even just a few years ago. One article pointed out that a company like OnePlus, got really lucky. They hit at the right time, but for someone else to do it again in 2017/18 faces more challenges.
Oh well, time will tell I guess.
I love new products and the more there are, the more competition there is. I don't want a world made up of just Apple and Samsung. But we are gonna have to sift through a few lemons to find that occasional diamond in the rough...
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Considering that Google only sold ~4 Million of Pixel and Pixel 2 phones of all types last year, calling the Essential a complete failure might be a bit premature.
The sales numbers might be low, but I think that this is just indicative of how difficult it is to compete with Apple and Samsung and nothing else.
I like innovative an new products.
No matter what they say about Essential, they were first to the party with a phone that had a huge screen and minimal bezels.
They have a build quality and hand feel second to none.
I don't plan on replacing this phone for a while.
I only with I could get a Poetic Affinity case. That is my favorite case and I've had one on my last three phones.
To be fair, 80k is a lot less than 4 mill. Lol
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To be fair, 80k is a lot less than 4 mill. Lol
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88K.
But think about the size of the companies and length of time in the market.
Google had all year and only sold 4 Million. That's 333K per month. That's a rally low number.
Essential started shipping in the second half of the year and was an unknown company.
So if you put it into perspective. We don't know if the company is a failure or not, is all I'm saying.
The time on the market is not statistically significant enough to draw any conclusion.
I just know I like my PH-1.
88k shipped, not sold. Plus, how many returns?
Sorry guys. Didn't mean to start a phone bashing thread.
No bashing. The situation is what it is.
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Sorry guys. Didn't mean to start a phone bashing thread.
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https://www.cnet.com/news/essential-teases-something/?ftag=COS-05-10aaa0e&linkId=48081019
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Hmm....
So this is the choice i have. start giving out warnings/infractions or you all have a civilized conversation without name callings of any sort or bashing each other ?
You all don't need to reply just answer yourself and proceed as i know what i would be doing next if this continues.
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I hope the company survives. Overall I am pretty happy with my PH-1. I much prefer it to any Scamsung product. And everywhere you go, Samsung and Apple are the only choices. That needs to end. Can't find an HTC anywhere to put my hands on despite it being critically acclaimed as one of the best devices of 2017. Pathetic. I asked about the PH-1 at Best Buy and the employee said they might have 1 in the back but there just wasn't enough display space. They had about 30 Samsung and iPhones on display though.....
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I hope the company survives. Overall I am pretty happy with my PH-1. I much prefer it to any Scamsung product. And everywhere you go, Samsung and Apple are the only choices. That needs to end. Can't find an HTC anywhere to put my hands on despite it being critically acclaimed as one of the best devices of 2017. Pathetic. I asked about the PH-1 at Best Buy and the employee said they might have 1 in the back but there just wasn't enough display space. They had about 30 Samsung and iPhones on display though.....
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I like the my PH-1 and you'll need to pry it from my cold dead hands.
I can't think of any other phone I like better.
I just wish that Poetic made the Affinity case for the PH-1. :crying:
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Considering that Google only sold ~4 Million of Pixel and Pixel 2 phones of all types last year, calling the Essential a complete failure might be a bit premature.
The sales numbers might be low, but I think that this is just indicative of how difficult it is to compete with Apple and Samsung and nothing else.
I like innovative an new products.
No matter what they say about Essential, they were first to the party with a phone that had a huge screen and minimal bezels.
They have a build quality and hand feel second to none.
I don't plan on replacing this phone for a while.
I only with I could get a Poetic Affinity case. That is my favorite case and I've had one on my last three phones.
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Considering that officially they only sell in the US...
It is a new product. I doubt anybody would expect too a million phones in 3 months or something.
Has some issues, yes. First gen stuff always does. Even second and third gen do.
Works Ok for a first gen. Does what I need to do.
I don't have brand loyalty to anything, may buy something else in a few months. Maybe even a PH-2...