Hey. So I have a note 2 on at&t. It was on 4.3. I used odin to downgrade to 4.1.1, then factory unlocked it and all was well. I tested with tmobile sim and it was on tmobile 4g and able to make calls using tmobile. I then went to update the version (I read once its unlocked it can be updated) Now, it gets stuck at "samsung galaxy note 2" when booting up and wont go past it. I tried to odin it again and successfully installed 4.1.1, but still wont get past samsung galaxy note 2. have disconnected phone and tried to boot up using vol+ (+) home button (+) power button, but nothing......PLEASE HELP
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scottrf8 said:
Hey. So I have a note 2 on at&t. It was on 4.3. I used odin to downgrade to 4.1.1, then factory unlocked it and all was well. I tested with tmobile sim and it was on tmobile 4g and able to make calls using tmobile. I then went to update the version (I read once its unlocked it can be updated) Now, it gets stuck at "samsung galaxy note 2" when booting up and wont go past it. I tried to odin it again and successfully installed 4.1.1, but still wont get past samsung galaxy note 2. have disconnected phone and tried to boot up using vol+ (+) home button (+) power button, but nothing......PLEASE HELP
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I don't have a Note (I have the GS3 on TMO). Do you have any idea if the Note 2 has the same issue that the GS3 has, where with the 4.3 update you get a new locked bootloader that prevents you from going back to anything earlier than 4.3? That's the way it is on the GS3. I guess if you were able to actually boot up and make calls after you downgraded back to 4.1.1, then that must not be the case.
In any case, you're getting stuck on the boot logo when you power it on? Can you get into the recovery at all? Do you have the stock recovery or a custom recovery installed? Have you tried clearing cache/dalvik and fixing perms? That often fixes things for me when I'm stuck on the boot logo.
scottrf8 said:
Hey. So I have a note 2 on at&t. It was on 4.3. I used odin to downgrade to 4.1.1, then factory unlocked it and all was well. I tested with tmobile sim and it was on tmobile 4g and able to make calls using tmobile. I then went to update the version (I read once its unlocked it can be updated) Now, it gets stuck at "samsung galaxy note 2" when booting up and wont go past it. I tried to odin it again and successfully installed 4.1.1, but still wont get past samsung galaxy note 2. have disconnected phone and tried to boot up using vol+ (+) home button (+) power button, but nothing......PLEASE HELP
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I start to wonder if people research before doing anything.
To say again. You can't downgrade. You have Knox. You possibly tripped the Knox flag. Reflash the 4.3 stock ROM. If that fails, It's most probably eFuse, if It's 4.3.
(Basically, eFuse messes up your phone aka bricks You phone aka @#%& it up.)
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Note 2 LTE powered by Illusion ROM and Plasma Kernel.
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mcgrabowski said:
I don't have a Note (I have the GS3 on TMO). Do you have any idea if the Note 2 has the same issue that the GS3 has, where with the 4.3 update you get a new locked bootloader that prevents you from going back to anything earlier than 4.3? That's the way it is on the GS3. I guess if you were able to actually boot up and make calls after you downgraded back to 4.1.1, then that must not be the case.
In any case, you're getting stuck on the boot logo when you power it on? Can you get into the recovery at all? Do you have the stock recovery or a custom recovery installed? Have you tried clearing cache/dalvik and fixing perms? That often fixes things for me when I'm stuck on the boot logo.
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You're right. The locked bootloader messed those who didn't research about it's life's real bad. 4.3 supposedly has eFuse in it, which FU*CKS your phone. I read it up on the Samsung Knox website, and it said that eFuse "rewrites a read-only part of the phone, resulting in a unusable phone." If u triggered that, it'll be a hard brick, (in my knowledge)
Knox itself is irritating. The Knox Warranty Void counter, which max at 1, is unresetable, (even with JTAG, will brick if h try) so your warranty is *poof*
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Note 2 LTE powered by Illusion ROM and Plasma Kernel.
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I did a fair amount of research before downgrading. In fact I didn't want to downgrade, but I did want to unlock it. It is unlocked and it's running on 4.1.1. So when you say that you can't downgrade, you mean you shouldn't downgrade cause then you will be stuck with 4.1.1?
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I did a fair amount of research before downgrading. In fact I didn't want to downgrade, but I did want to unlock it. It is unlocked and it's running on 4.1.1. So when you say that you can't downgrade, you mean you shouldn't downgrade cause then you will be stuck with 4.1.1?
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When you were on 4.3, was that an OTA update or an ODIN flash of a stock firmware? Or did you just have a 4.3 ROM from the forums that you loaded (AOSP or rooted stock based ROM with Knox, etc., removed) with TWRP or CWM? Supposedly from what I've been reading if you take the 4.3 OTA or ODIN flash the stock 4.3, the bootloader gets updated, as Irwenzhao mentions above and I've experienced, where you CAN'T downgrade again to 4.1.2 or earlier. I believe that just means you can't go back to a fully stock pre 4.3. I THINK it just means you can't ODIN back to a factory image earlier than 4.3, which is what I experienced. But with TWRP or CWM, I believe I can still load other ROMs at will regardless if they are pre 4.3 or not.
yeah, that sounds kinda like the same thing I have come across. 4.3 was OTA and downgraded to a stock 4.1.1 ROM. Guess this triggers KNOX cause now KNOX WARRANTY VOID is 1. which once that is triggered, you cannot go from a non KNOX version (4.1.1) to a version that has KNOX. My question now is does that apply to just the stock firmware? Would ANY of the ROM's created by the devs work?
There were some posts in the unlock thread that people were able to go from 4.1.1 (after downgrading) back up to 4.3. Just trying to figure out how that would be the case? Could the knox warranty flag not have been set for them?
scottrf8 said:
yeah, that sounds kinda like the same thing I have come across. 4.3 was OTA and downgraded to a stock 4.1.1 ROM. Guess this triggers KNOX cause now KNOX WARRANTY VOID is 1. which once that is triggered, you cannot go from a non KNOX version (4.1.1) to a version that has KNOX. My question now is does that apply to just the stock firmware? Would ANY of the ROM's created by the devs work?
There were some posts in the unlock thread that people were able to go from 4.1.1 (after downgrading) back up to 4.3. Just trying to figure out how that would be the case? Could the knox warranty flag not have been set for them?
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Just to make it clear, Knox is a bootloader, which means u can flash anything that's not a bootloader, but your warranty would be history. Flashing anything trips the flag, even 4.1.1/2 stock ROMs.
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Note 2 LTE powered by Illusion ROM and Plasma Kernel.
Sent from dat small country called Singapore.
Truthfully, that doesn't clear it up. Do the stock firmware through Kies or ota include a bootloader and that's why it won't install? Thanks
Flashing the stock firmware through kies, ODIN, or the OTA update will update the boot loader as far as I know and will ruin any chance of returning to stock and void your warranty. As long as you don't want to do that, I don't think it's too big of a deal.
At this point, I couldn't care less about the warranty. I would think it's expired now anyhow. As long as I can flash ROMs and boy the phone up and use it. I'm happy.
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Hello Community!!
I have owned many androids over the years, and have recently got an S6, hoping to dive back into the game of rooting, modding and messing around until my phones works the way i want it to. There are MANY things that really Piss me off about my T-MObile variant of the S6, including the horrible battery life, bloatware, and lack of personality. I Really would love to root my device, but KNOX. OMG what is this?! If i Root, no Samsung pay? What other downsides are there to rooting? But recently, my phone installed "ANdroid Pay" SO I am thinking, I should just root, forget Samsung pay and just use Google pay or whatever they call it.
As you guys can tell from my sig, I have been very inactive on these forums. I am hoping someone can give me some advice here---
Thanks So much
EMilio
beforedenied said:
Hello Community!!
I have owned many androids over the years, and have recently got an S6, hoping to dive back into the game of rooting, modding and messing around until my phones works the way i want it to. There are MANY things that really Piss me off about my T-MObile variant of the S6, including the horrible battery life, bloatware, and lack of personality. I Really would love to root my device, but KNOX. OMG what is this?! If i Root, no Samsung pay? What other downsides are there to rooting? But recently, my phone installed "ANdroid Pay" SO I am thinking, I should just root, forget Samsung pay and just use Google pay or whatever they call it.
As you guys can tell from my sig, I have been very inactive on these forums. I am hoping someone can give me some advice here---
Thanks So much
EMilio
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There are pros and cons to root.
The first pro is limitless customizations and personalizations.
The first con is OTA updates get disabled.
Another pro is you are able to dramatically improve battery and overall performance using various apps.
Another con is your warranty will be void, assuming you tripped KNOX.
If you trip KNOX, Samsung Pay no longer works; if you have root (even without touching KNOX) Android Pay does not work.
I obtained root just to prove to myself it could be done.
Since then there have been dramatic improvements with speed and battery life.
Package Disabler Pro can freeze a lot of the bloatware without root: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ospolice.packagedisablerpro&hl=en
Hi,
It's a highly personal decision. I myself for the first time am holding on rooting - I was the one who made the most famous Xoom rooting tool and also S4 Linux Root Script, so that tells a lot. The thing is, meanwhile my device is satisfying my needs, and I'm really curious about Samsung Pay, as it has a way wider support than Android Pay and other systems.
The best thing about rooting in my opinion was the endless system customization - specially after Xposed was released. The way better data management I had, better system control and some exclusive apps that require root or works better with root. If you are really pissed about Samsung TouchWiz apps and system "features", rooting would be a nice idea. Just keep in mind that after rooting Knox will be tripped and there's no turning back with Knox. Depending on your country, Knox trip also means warranty void, because once rooted you can unroot and make it looks like nothing happened.
Just adding what was already said, but Android Pay doesn't work with root.
All the best,
~Lord
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XxLordxX said:
Hi,
It's a highly personal decision. I myself for the first time am holding on rooting - I was the one who made the most famous Xoom rooting tool and also S4 Linux Root Script, so that tells a lot. The thing is, meanwhile my device is satisfying my needs, and I'm really curious about Samsung Pay, as it has a way wider support than Android Pay and other systems.
The best thing about rooting in my opinion was the endless system customization - specially after Xposed was released. The way better data management I had, better system control and some exclusive apps that require root or works better with root. If you are really pissed about Samsung TouchWiz apps and system "features", rooting would be a nice idea. Just keep in mind that after rooting Knox will be tripped and there's no turning back with Knox. Depending on your country, Knox trip also means warranty void, because once rooted you can unroot and make it looks like nothing happened.
Just adding what was already said, but Android Pay doesn't work with root.
All the best,
~Lord
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Rooting doesn't allways mean tripped knox. I have my G920F rooted and knox intact. This can be done even after updrade to 5.1.1 stok firmware.
An android phone for me is worthless without root permissions. I need it for:
adaway adds
iptables (firewall)
better battery life (debloat)
titanium backup
JuanRamiro said:
Rooting doesn't allways mean tripped knox. I have my G920F rooted and knox intact. This can be done even after updrade to 5.1.1 stok firmware.
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I was only aware of root that can be applied before upgrade to 5.1.1.
Can you advise how you applied root after 5.1.1? Thanks.
Iceman_jkh said:
I was only aware of root that can be applied before upgrade to 5.1.1.
Can you advise how you applied root after 5.1.1? Thanks.
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Just install de 5.0.2 engineering bootloader via ODIN. Then instal TRWP via ODIN.
After this two steps you can flash whatever you want via TRWP.
Edit: with the 5.0.2 bootloader you will loose fingerprint scanner, the rest works great, at least with the custom rom I am using.
JuanRamiro said:
Just install de 5.0.2 engineering bootloader via ODIN. Then instal TRWP via ODIN.
After this two steps you can flash whatever you want via TRWP.
Edit: with the 5.0.2 bootloader you will loose fingerprint scanner, the rest works great, at least with the custom rom I am using.
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Keep in mind this engineering bootloader does not work with all variants. For example there is no Eng Bootloader for the Canadian phones.
Thank you both. I have the international SM-G920F (technically it's the dual Sim version, SM-G920FD, (from United Arab Emirates)).
So, to confirm, would the eng boot loader still work on my device variant, and allow root without tripping KNOX?
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Iceman_jkh said:
Thank you both. I have the international SM-G920F (technically it's the dual Sim version, SM-G920FD, (from United Arab Emirates)).
So, to confirm, would the eng boot loader still work on my device variant, and allow root without tripping KNOX?
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I have the single sim version of the G920F, so I don't know if it will work with the dual sim.
I don't think that it will strip you knox...
... and I think that if your phone doesn't work with this bootloader, you can just flash the correct one and make it work again.
But these are just guesses... you decide if you want to take the risk.
Good luck.
JuanRamiro said:
I have the single sim version of the G920F, so I don't know if it will work with the dual sim.
I don't think that it will strip you knox...
... and I think that if your phone doesn't work with this bootloader, you can just flash the correct one and make it work again.
But these are just guesses... you decide if you want to take the risk.
Good luck.
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Thanks. I did some additional research, thanks to your advice about eng boot loader, and seems like it will work ☺
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JuanRamiro said:
I have the single sim version of the G920F, so I don't know if it will work with the dual sim.
I don't think that it will strip you knox...
... and I think that if your phone doesn't work with this bootloader, you can just flash the correct one and make it work again.
But these are just guesses... you decide if you want to take the risk.
Good luck.
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Hi,
I wouldn't risk that "you can just flash the correct one and make it work again". If you know how a bootloader work, if it gets broken there is no way to get to Download Mode and flash a new firmware/bootloader.
For information sake, a bootloader is a piece of software that is the first thing loaded when you boot your device, it comes before anything, be it kernel, be it recovery or anything else, that means, if you have a broken bootloader, the moment you try to boot your device up, it will try loading BL and it will fail, so it will shut down back again. I've had a broken BL once before on S4, the only way to recover was a direct flash of software in system chip using a tool called JTAG.
So, all I can say to users who still didn't get it: beware with this. It seems that many people are getting successful results, but it's an extremely risk procedure, make sure you read every single instruction and follow it, the possibility of a hard brick is high.
Even still, it's a great find, thanks for sharing with me, I didn't know of this until early today .
All the best,
~Lord
I wonder whether Samsung pay will work again after reflash stock rom after root? Is it like knox, once rooted you will never have it no mater what you do including going back to pure stock?
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Depending on your country, Knox trip also means warranty void, because once rooted you can unroot and make it looks like nothing happened.
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Did you mean, once rooted we can unroot and install the stock firmware and hence tripped Knox will be restored as well?
Or the unrooting will only help to restore the stock but the knox will continue to remain tripped. I would like to know this as I am considering purchasing S6. The last samsung phone I owned was S2 and used that for 3 full years with out any problems.
Thanks.
coolmalayalee said:
Did you mean, once rooted we can unroot and install the stock firmware and hence tripped Knox will be restored as well?
Or the unrooting will only help to restore the stock but the knox will continue to remain tripped. I would like to know this as I am considering purchasing S6. The last samsung phone I owned was S2 and used that for 3 full years with out any problems.
Thanks.
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Once Knox is tripped its tripped but, yes you can flash original firmware and as long as you factory reset it, it will be unrooted and ready for official updates.
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Once Knox is tripped its tripped but, yes you can flash original firmware and as long as you factory reset it, it will be unrooted and ready for official updates.
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Thanks. But can you be a bit more specific of if the unrooting, flashing stock, and factory resting will finally untrip the tripped Knox as well? My question in the event I need to take this back to a service center to claim warranty for whatever reason, is there any way for them to know that I have voided warranty if I unroot, flash back the stock and factory reset?
coolmalayalee said:
Thanks. But can you be a bit more specific of if the unrooting, flashing stock, and factory resting will finally untrip the tripped Knox as well? My question in the event I need to take this back to a service center to claim warranty for whatever reason, is there any way for them to know that I have voided warranty if I unroot, flash back the stock and factory reset?
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Once tripped there is no going back. Voided warranty depends on laws of your country and your retailers policy.
coolmalayalee said:
Thanks. But can you be a bit more specific of if the unrooting, flashing stock, and factory resting will finally untrip the tripped Knox as well? My question in the event I need to take this back to a service center to claim warranty for whatever reason, is there any way for them to know that I have voided warranty if I unroot, flash back the stock and factory reset?
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YOU CAN NOT UNTRIP KNOX, you can reflash your firmware from Sammobile, http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/database/SM-G920F/
use odin and then after you flash, go into recovery or use system settings and conduct a factory reset. It will say Official in the status but, since they will reflash your rom anyways, they will see the knox trip.
It depends on where you purschased your device whether or not they will warranty it with Knox tripped.
Honestly, anyone who roots should understand this information before hand. You should always know how to return to stock unroot.
Jameslwoodward said:
I wonder whether Samsung pay will work again after reflash stock rom after root? Is it like knox, once rooted you will never have it no mater what you do including going back to pure stock?
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After rooting my 5.1.1 without tripping Knox, with the 5.0.2 engineering bootloader (as as described a few posts ago) I have flashed a stok rom with odin and then everything went back as it was before the rooting procedure.
1. I was on stok oficial rom with oficial bootloader.
2. I lost root.
3. Knox was still intact: 0.
4. Fingerprint scanner and MyKnox worked again.
So: after upgrade to 5.1.1, rooting with the 5.0.2 engineering bootloader seems to be safe and also easy to bo back to stock... at least for my model (G920F)