So, I'm on the Legend (previous Hero) and I'm tired of HTC updating FW. I want pure Google.....
I'm not particularly "happy" or impressed with the Nexus S. It's basically a year old phone...bla bla, you know what I mean. It SHOULD have been more impressive. Right now it's being overshadowed by nearly every new phone, even the new SE phone. Who would have thought.........perhaps Google didn't want the Nexus to outshine other phones, but wanted a safe/tested platform to test new Android on?
BUT I'm willing to give it a try, only because I hate HTC and their update policy. But I have to get this from the US since I'm in Europe and....I'm uncertain about the build quality and hardware quality. A lot of people are reporting problem allready. If I get it, I prob won't be able to return it for warranty.
How safe a bet would getting the Nexus S be?
ANOTHER one of these posts? Seriously, there's tons of threads about people "unsure" of the Nexus S. Why not post there or something.
Me, personally, I love the Nexus S, much better than the crappy Nexus One I had, which has/had REAL issues. Nexus S? It has ZERO issues for me.
Sounds already you don't want the Nexus S, by saying you're not happy/impressed/year old phone/etc.. so don't get it. We're not going to convince you otherwise.
This thread is pointless.
Sebastian768 said:
I'm tired of HTC updating FW. I want pure Google.....
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That's all that matters.
there's no safe bet
there will always be a new phone around the corner with better of everything
if you need a new phone now, buy it
if not, keep waiting for the next best thing
There only seems to be a lot of issues for the Nexus S. People that are not having issues are not posting nearly as much (or not at all) as those that are experiencing some kind of issue. By that, I mean starting new threads with "x is broken, check yours?!"
Personally, I love my Nexus S and I am experiencing no issues. If you keep waiting because there is a newer phone around the corner, you'll end up never getting a new phone.
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There only seems to be a lot of issues for the Nexus S. People that are not having issues are not posting nearly as much (or not at all) as those that are experiencing some kind of issue.
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Exactly, and a common phenomenon across any product-related forum. Most of the happy people with no problems don't spend time posting how much they love their device on a forum, unless they're like many of the regulars here who just love chatting in the forum about the device or trying to help others. (The Development section's a different beast, of course.)
A personal example is me and the Ford/Microsoft Sync forums. I've only ever visited them when I was having issues with my Sync features. To read those forums you'd think Sync and MyFordTouch was total crap, but they're not, once you get past the few problems early adopters had. I haven't been back to the forums there since resolving mine, because I'm not really interested enough in the product to talk about it a lot.
If you want pure Google then it is definitely a safe bet. How often to any other pure Google phones come out?
Even though my I know my nexus s is outclassed by the newer DC phones coming out, I am still keeping it because I know when honeycomb comes out for phones the NS get it and all the other phones will be stuck on 2.2.
So yes its worth it to me.
All of us who have rooted and flashed ROMs to our phones will have seen and read disclaimers stating that we risk voiding our waranty if we go any further. Do you think this is fair bearing in mind that these custom ROMs are based on the same open source code that the phone manufacturers use in their stock ROMs?.
Do you think that Google and the phone manufacturers should work more closely with the 'unofficial' devs in order to get 'official approval' for the clearly superior custom ROMs?........
Do you think that phone manufacturers should take things a step further and supply rooted phones (on request)......
or even supply 'ROMless' phones where the end user can apply their ROM of choice......
or should things remain the way they are?......
what do you think?.........
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All of us who have rooted and flashed ROMs to our phones will have seen and read disclaimers stating that we risk voiding our warantees if we go any further. Do you think this is fair bearing in mind that these custom ROMs are based on the same open source code that the phone manufacturers use in their stock ROMs?.
Do you think that Google and the phone manufacturers should work more closely with the 'unofficial' devs in order to get 'official approval' for the clearly superior custom ROMs?........
Do you think that phone manufacturers should take things a step further and supply rooted phones (on request)......
or even supply 'ROMless' phones where the end user can apply their ROM of choice......
or should things remain the way they are?......
what do you think?.........
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On 99% of these phones you can just flash stock RUU or flash stock Odin + reset flash counter and it's as if you never rooted anyways.
Lol...yeah I know that.....but my question is about manufacturers stopping all this stupidity over 'voiding waranty' and accepting that end users don't necessarily WANT to be stuck with a 'stock' ROM, and 'officially' giving them the option to choose for themselves......
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Lol...yeah I know that.....but my question is about manufacturers stopping all this stupidity over 'voiding warantee' and accepting that end users don't necessarily WANT to be stuck with a 'stock' ROM, and 'officially' giving them the option to choose for themselves......
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Well look at it from their point of view, you can easily brick a Samsung phone by flashing the wrong thing in Odin. Remember that leaked kernel that was bricking people's N7000? Samsung was honoring RMAs I think and even helping the dev community find the bug!
But there are higher brick rates with rooting or flashing insecure kernels. Even on the HD2 when we had HSPL, if you flashed a radio ending in .51 on the tmobile unit, bam instant brick.
Same with the iPhone 3GS, if you flash the iPad baseband on a later than week 34 of 2011 model to carrier unlock, bam your NOR chip is fried and you have no radio.
How about doing an OTA over a custom ROM? HTC devices get bricked that way, all that wrong hboot version garbage.
Sure, custom ROMs are built from an open source kernel, but that kernel is often modified, and just because the new modified kernel has a source repo, does mean it is safe to flash? Hell, the N7000 ICS ROM is "open source" but if I flash it on a I717 guess what you get? Paperweight.
My opinion is (and I think Samsung operates this way), if the rooting is NOT the cause of your problems, they honor RMA, if rooting caused the problem, they have a right to deny.
Yeah I understand that there are risks involved in rooting and flashing the wrong software etc....this is why I suggested that Google, the manufacturers and devs *could* work more closely together....one way of doing this could be that all parties jointly set up and run/monitor a website where one page is reserved specifically for each make/model of phone where the software links for upgrading that specific phone are contained only on that specific page....I think that'd be workable....what about you?
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Yeah I understand that there are risks involved in rooting and flashing the wrong software etc....this is why I suggested that Google, the manufacturers and devs *could* work more closely together....one way of doing this could be that all parties jointly set up and run/monitor a website where one page is reserved specifically for each make/model of phone where the software links for upgrading that specific phone are contained only on that specific page....I think that'd be workable....what about you?
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No, because you will still have idiots flashing things they shouldn't be, just like on this site. It very clearly says in the HD2 forum NOT to flash a .51 radio on a tmobile unit, and you still get these threads "HELP I FLASHED 2.08.51 RADIO AND NOW MY PHONE WON'T TURJN ON"
You can't coordinate against stupidity.
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No, because you will still have idiots flashing things they shouldn't be,
You can't coordinate against stupidity.
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Lol.....yeah ur always gonna get the occasional idiot, some people just can't be helped.....but the website I described would keep these mishaps to the absolute minimum....you'd go to the page specific to your phone and if the link wasn't there you couldn't flash it......
Google has the infrastructure to build the website....
The manufacturers have the relevant info about their phones...
And the devs have the upgrades......
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Lol.....yeah ur always gonna get the occasional idiot, some people just can't be helped.....but the website I described would keep these mishaps to the absolute minimum....you'd go to the page specific to your phone and if the link wasn't there you couldn't flash it......
Google has the infrastructure to build the website....
The manufacturers have the relevant info about their phones...
And the devs have the upgrades......
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Honestly the website you describe is this forum.
Is there anything that this website would have that XDA lacks?
There's no doubting that this website (XDA) is a fantastic resource.....but speaking from my (limited) experience it seems to lack *some* continuity....my case as an example....I wanted to flash cwm to my phone...I was having trouble finding the resources I needed....in the end I asked for help....which I was given....my point is...up until that moment, the resources I needed weren't grouped together on one page...they were spread across the website....as a noob, I could quite easily have selected the wrong download and permanently FUBARed my phone....
That's what I'd like this theoretical website to provide...all the resources needed to upgrade a specific make/model of phone grouped together on one single page.....
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keithross39 said:
There's no doubting that this website (XDA) is a fantastic resource.....but speaking from my (limited) experience it seems to lack *some* continuity....my case as an example....I wanted to flash cwm to my phone...I was having trouble finding the resources I needed....in the end I asked for help....which I was given....my point is...up until that moment, the resources I needed weren't grouped together on one page...they were spread across the website....as a noob, I could quite easily have selected the wrong download and permanently FUBARed my phone....
That's what I'd like this theoretical website to provide...all the resources needed to upgrade a specific make/model of phone grouped together on one single page.....
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With a million phones and a million carriers and a million recoveries I don't see how you could possibly do that on a single page.
orangekid said:
With a million phones and a million carriers and a million recoveries I don't see how you could possibly do that on a single page.
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Yes...I agree...it's a potentially massive undertaking....but the Infrastructure, resources and info are already available.....
It's not like Android is a 'niche' market, over the last year or so, it's seen some massive growth....as we go into the future, there are going to be more and more users who aren't going to be satisfied with just the 'stock' experience....so unlocking a phones potential is going to be seen as way more mainstream and high profile than it currently is....everybody needs to realise this before it becomes a real issue...where you have your 'average joe or june' with their phones fresh out of the box...trying to unlock and upgrade....and getting it disastrously wrong. There are users with varying levels of tech savvy out there....those of us here on XDA are probably more tech savvy than most....there are going to be users who haven't heard of XDA....or if they have, they've decided it's just another 'geeky' forum (no offence intended). Some of those users are going to see what other peoples phones are really capable of and think to themselves 'i want my phone to be able to do that'. It's not unreasonable to suggest that the numbers of these erm 'tech challenged' users are very soon going to be larger than the tech savvy users and that as a result, unless a user friendly resource is made available, a great deal more phones...through no fault of their own....are going to end up bricked. You may say that's nobody's fault but the end user.....I would say that I agree to some extent....BUT....partial responsibility HAS to be shouldered by Google and the manufacturers too....after all Google made the code 'open source' and the manufacturers ran with it. So as I suggested in my OP, they should shoulder some responsibility to a) help ensure things don't go wrong In the first place and b) provide support if they do.......
Bottom line......Google and the manufacturers helped create the situation by building this capability into the OS and phones, it's just a cop out to hide behind waranty statements after the fact........
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You don't realize that us users who root and flash custom **** make up less that. 1% of the market share of Android users.
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I didn't know that it was as low as that....but I've a feeling that this will change...in a big way...
Consider the mess that Samsung made of rolling out ICS, what if that happens with future releases of OS upgrades....when you combine that possibility with the ever increasing numbers of Android users....a lot of who are not going to accept that sort of delay...it's fair to say that more and more users are going to seek an alternative option.....even with that aside, with more people buying Android phones, more people are going to be prepared to risk unofficially upgrading, as a result of this, more 'general' Android users are going to see modified phones and think that they'd like to have a phone as capable as their friends.....so yes, the percentage at the moment probably is that small, but it has the capacity to snowball exponentially to a very large percentage.....it may take time, but imo, it will go that way......
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As the hardware gets better and better there's less of a reason to root. Back during the donut/froyo days you had to flash ROMs but these days on quad core jellybean there's no real reason other than us freaks...
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Don't forget about the phones that are left behind and forgotten about by their manufacturers....I'm using a galaxy W, and if I hadn't rooted and flashed CM9, I'd still be running stock gingerbread.....as it is, there's a very real possibility that I could end up running jellybean in a few weeks......that in itself is reason enough to root.....and I'm sure i'm not the only Android phone owner who finds themselves in this unenviable position.....
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Lol....And then there's the original reason I decided to root....getting rid of all the pre installed c**p that was clogging up my phone when I brought it.....I mean...t blox and millionaire city and hang man....really?...lol
Another reason I rooted was to gain some control over the permissions that my apps were requesting.....LBE privacy guard allows this.....as long as I am rooted.....bit of a no brainer really......
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So for my company I need to have an unrooted phone to access Good For Enterprise. I don't want to unroot my Note 2 to use the app. My question is if you could choose a phone on verizon to use stock as an unrooted device what would you choose? I'm not really sure as I haven't ran a stock phone in probably 5 years.
Thanks for the any suggestions you guys can throw my way.
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I've owned an S2, S3, and now the S4. I'm pretty tired of the fact that they are making it a PITA to root the phone and fully regain control of it. I know for a fact that this will now be my last Samsung phone for a while.
I'm debating on going to these phones:
- LG G3 (when it releases on AT&T)
http://www.lg.com/global/g3/index.html
- Oppo (waiting on their newest device to drop)
http://oppostyle.com/
- Nexus (waiting for I/O announcement)
Are there any other manufacturers you guys could recommend with a better modding community? I'd prefer to stick with a device that comes with Vanilla Android (like the Nexus) but wouldn't mind an OEM with a good track record. It boggles my mind why they would lock bootloaders and make it difficult to mod. It could very well be the carriers as well for all I know.
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Thanks!
I have a few general questions and I'm not sure if this is the right forum for them.
I currently have the iphone 5 for verizon, but as normal I am getting an upgrade itch.
I dont mind either platform, I have used both. Now, what do I need is a device with somewhat decent battery as I work 12 hour shifts. I was thinking of getting the droid turbo for that precise reason but it's already a year old and I am not sure if it will be to quick on the update side of things. I am thinking of going back to android simply for the bigger screen, I know I could go to an iphone 6 plus but that's not a discussion I want to have here.
What I am asking here is:
How would the s6 compare to my iphone 5 I have now? How is the battery useage? ( I can now get in day of work but with a mota battery case) Anything else you can think of that would be drastically different? My last android device was the s3, so I am familiar with android and I also had mine rooted and custom rom'd.
If the s6 wont offer better battery or performance, what android device will? a nexus? something else?
Thanks for any input on this matter.
JPull07 said:
I have a few general questions and I'm not sure if this is the right forum for them.
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Given this sticky at the top of the General section, no.
Do NOT post questions In the General Section
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JPull07 said:
I have a few general questions and I'm not sure if this is the right forum for them.
I currently have the iphone 5 for verizon, but as normal I am getting an upgrade itch.
I dont mind either platform, I have used both. Now, what do I need is a device with somewhat decent battery as I work 12 hour shifts. I was thinking of getting the droid turbo for that precise reason but it's already a year old and I am not sure if it will be to quick on the update side of things. I am thinking of going back to android simply for the bigger screen, I know I could go to an iphone 6 plus but that's not a discussion I want to have here.
What I am asking here is:
How would the s6 compare to my iphone 5 I have now? How is the battery useage? ( I can now get in day of work but with a mota battery case) Anything else you can think of that would be drastically different? My last android device was the s3, so I am familiar with android and I also had mine rooted and custom rom'd.
If the s6 wont offer better battery or performance, what android device will? a nexus? something else?
Thanks for any input on this matter.
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If you haven't made up your mind yet.... Droid Turbo 2