So today I was eating dinner and watching YouTube on my phone. I had a freshly opened Coke 20 oz. (might be important because of Carbonation level) . In my clumsiness, I knocked the coke over but caught it before it made to much of a mess. Some coke droplets flung onto my phones screen, 7 or 8 tiny droplets. Well I didn't clean it off right away because I was cleaning up coke from everything else.
We'll wen I go to clean the coke off the screen to my surprise there is like a footprint of each of the droplets etched into my glass. Not sure if it's a chemical reaction but NOTHING IS GETTING THEM OFF. I have tried scratching with my finger nail, vinegar, goo gone and industrial glass cleaner. Not even a tiny bit of difference.
I've called Samsung but those people are something special. Went to t mobile and various phone places in the mall but they think I'm lying about the coke, didn't have any solutions regardless. I can't even remotely find anything online. If anyone has any insight to this that would be fantastic.
Phone is a S6 Edge +
Phones (and tablets and such) have an oleophobic coating on the surface of the outer glass layer. This both allows your fingers to slide across it easily with minimal friction (rub your thumb on a window or bottle and you'll feel the difference), and for fingerprints and other crud to be easily wiped away.
Colas contain phosphoric acid to give it that "bite" in the taste. Surely you've also seen or heard about cola being used to clean oil spills on pavement, removing rust, cleaning car battery terminals, and dissolving teeth in school experiments.
I'm sure you can guess what's happened to the oleophobic coating on your poor phone. That's why they invented screen protectors.
Planterz said:
Phones (and tablets and such) have an oleophobic coating on the surface of the outer glass layer. This both allows your fingers to slide across it easily with minimal friction (rub your thumb on a window or bottle and you'll feel the difference), and for fingerprints and other crud to be easily wiped away.
Colas contain phosphoric acid to give it that "bite" in the taste. Surely you've also seen or heard about cola being used to clean oil spills on pavement, removing rust, cleaning car battery terminals, and dissolving teeth in school experiments.
I'm sure you can guess what's happened to the oleophobic coating on your poor phone. That's why they invented screen protectors.
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i figured it had something to do with the acidic nature of the soda, but i didnt know the details. nice!
Clean with coke again !
It will clean other coating too !
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The 4 small screws which hold the rear cover of the Gear S2 have a "Y" Shape or "Tri-Wing" screw head.
I am trying to find the size of this special screwdriver and where I can obtain one please?
I have a tri-wing bit to my miniature screwdriver set that I always use open up electronics, but it is not small/sharp enough for these screws. Just today, I orderered this set from amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0089NNRL4/. I I will try to report back in a few days to let you know if it has one that works.
Wore my Gear S2 snorkling...only went down about 8 feet, but apparently too much for the supposedly ip86 certified S2 Classic. I am optimistic that opening it up and drying it out will get it running again.
DaveKnowsAll said:
Wore my Gear S2 snorkling...only went down about 8 feet, but apparently too much for the supposedly ip86 certified S2 Classic. I am optimistic that opening it up and drying it out will get it running again.
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Sucks to hear, but thrashing your hands swimming probably did the damage. Or going below the 5 foot recommended by Samsung..
The gear s2 is IP68 rated for water, it means that it is not safe to swim, shower, or dive with it on. The IP68 rating is for dust resistance and a submerged depth of 3.3 feet.
I don't know that taking apart the watch will better dry it out, it does take a long time for electronics to dry safely, however it does not guarantee that they will still work.
I would recommend placing it in a silica gel, instant oat meal, or even cat litter. The rice method is not that effective at drying electronics.
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The gear s2 is IP68 rated for water, it means that it is not safe to swim, shower, or dive with it on. The IP68 rating is for dust resistance and a submerged depth of 3.3 feet.
I don't know that taking apart the watch will better dry it out, it does take a long time for electronics to dry safely, however it does not guarantee that they will still work.
I would recommend placing it in a silica gel, instant oat meal, or even cat litter. The rice method is not that effective at drying electronics.
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According to Samsung, IP68 (only the "8" matters for water, the "6" is for dust) means that it can "be submerged in 1.5 meters of water, and be submerged in less than 1.5 meters of water for up to 30 minutes". This is consistent with the standards required to achieve an IPx8 rating. Unfortunately, that does not mean they warranty it for that (they don't). In actual practice, my gear S2 classic lived up to their promise. I swum actively, in pools, waterfalls, and the ocean while wearing the watch on many occasions. It was not until I snorkeled to depths below 1.5 meters that I had a problem.
I should receive my screwdrivers this afternoon, so I'll report back on the results. I have much experience with family members dropping electronics in water, and opening them up to dry out/clean out is always the best option to get them working again. Rice/silica, etc. is a substitute for people who can't/won't open their electronics (which usually voids the warranty), but is never as quick or effective.
The "X" in a ipx rating means that it is rated for water resistants but not tested for it. the ip68 certification is also for static water tests, meaning that the test does not cover movement, just submergesion. Also any movement in water on objects almost doubles the pressure rate.
When a watch is rated at 30m it really means that it is not water proof but water resistant. To dive with a watch or swim with one on it must have a minimal rating of 3bar: to surface swim, to dive, 300+m, for deep dives with mixed gasses: 3000+m is needed.
The most miss leading thing about electronics that are ip68 is that they are water 'resistance' not waterproof, and even when it says it is waterproof it is only for a set amount of time up to set time.
Anyone dared to submerge their lovely new shiny phone in water yet?
Edit: Could mods move this to General/discussion please, my bad.
I did, I dropped it in the tub. Only for a couple of seconds though. Running fine no issues.
I am coming from a mate 9 the only thing I see different is the sim card tray has a big rubber seal on it. I guess if they added the same seal on the mate 9 it could qualify for IP68+. I did drop coffee on the mate 9 and the sim tray became almost glued but it kept on humming until I tried to remove it today. It came out but half the sim card seems to have Melted inside the phone.
Good to know, i'm still dubious of any device that has charging port, headphone jack, speaker, microphone and no visible covers.........and being a fisherman it's a bonus knowing that a dip in the lake would still leave the phone working.
For your entertainment!
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For your entertainment!
https://youtu.be/OwqFGSqOMaI
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Did you do that? Kudos my friend.
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Did you do that? Kudos my friend.
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For sure!
Here's another!
https://youtu.be/gcta3h5dA2M
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havent yet with my new phone but my s7e has seen the water many times even recorded underwater
Took the plunge and tried it myself..........won't be trying it again as it just doesn't feel right submerging the phone!!
https://youtu.be/_aXNcS0gajI
I wouldn't make it a habit of purposely using the phone underwater.
Yes, it can take it.
Should you do it, on purpose? Not really.
Just as you don't test a fire extinguisher or even an airbag, it's reassurance in case of accident that your device won't be rendered inoperable.
Water still gets in things even though it doesn't get inside. The headphone jack has internal contacts and these will get contaminated with mineral deposits left behind from being exposed to water. Sea water is far worse as the salt residue that's left behind is highly hygroscopic (meaning it absorbs moisture) so every time the device is in a humid environment those surfaces become wet to the touch and that wetness is both highly corrosive AND conductive. This is why any gear, no matter what its waterproofness rating is, must be rinsed with *fresh* water after use in marine environments.
In short, your device continues to operate but make no mistake about it, you're reducing its useful lifespan with repeated dunks and swims.
I don't intend on giving mine any more dips.....and wouldn't dream of putting it in salt water...........but curiosity got the better of me when i went to the lake to see a couple of mates fishing
same if not better then the s7 edge.
I wash off my s7 edge before because i was working a car and grab te phone and it got dirty.
Also install water screen protector on my s7e , note 7 and s8+ all work fine.
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I wouldn't make it a habit of purposely using the phone underwater.
Yes, it can take it.
Should you do it, on purpose? Not really.
Just as you don't test a fire extinguisher or even an airbag, it's reassurance in case of accident that your device won't be rendered inoperable.
Water still gets in things even though it doesn't get inside. The headphone jack has internal contacts and these will get contaminated with mineral deposits left behind from being exposed to water. Sea water is far worse as the salt residue that's left behind is highly hygroscopic (meaning it absorbs moisture) so every time the device is in a humid environment those surfaces become wet to the touch and that wetness is both highly corrosive AND conductive. This is why any gear, no matter what its waterproofness rating is, must be rinsed with *fresh* water after use in marine environments.
In short, your device continues to operate but make no mistake about it, you're reducing its useful lifespan with repeated dunks and swims.
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A sensible reply. Ever since the Sony Xperia Z was released I have been debating (arguing like crazy) with peers that these mobiles are NOT waterproof, they have the smallest amount of water resistance. If one reads the manual, and very VERY few owners do, they will realise this water resistance is more of a 'splash resistance' in reality.
Sure Sony had adverts with people making calls while standing in a swimming pool etc BUT soon realised their marketing mistakes. Swimming pool chemicals destroy the protective membranes and cause no end of other problems. I wished all manufactures would simply refer to the mobile as splash resistant.
I have written pages on this very subject. Even though Samsung write that the mobile may be submerged in water to a depth of 1.5M for 30 minutes this is so woefully subjective. Even at surface level immersion in water if you swish the mobile about the force of water induced by movement can and will penetrate the mobiles membranes, its simple lores of science. Sure if one very gently and slowly submerges the mobile to 1.5M for a short period in theory all should be well. WHO is going to do that and why would they?
The IP rating is in reality just saying one can answer the phone with wet hands and make a call in the rain. The mobile device is very VERY far from an underwater camera that is designed for that purpose.
To close, its not truly about depth of water and time but water pressure FWIW. Soap box awayyyyyy:laugh:
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To close, its not truly about depth of water and time but water pressure FWIW. Soap box awayyyyyy:laugh:
Ryland
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Is water pressure not down to the depth of water?
Depth pressure is a static reading.
If you toss the phone into a pool that's 1 meter deep the actual realized pressure, albeit brief, is going to be much higher.
This is why you cannot snorkel with a wristwatch rated at 50 meters. The deeper you want to go the more evident this becomes.
Ryland brings up this point that I left out but is painfully obvious to those familiar with it.
Showering with a device is much different than wearing it on your wrist or hip and walking around even if only submersed under a foot or two of water.
I've seen rainproof electrical enclosures fail and upon inspection find them full of water as if their covers were off during the storm. This happens because heavy rain with no wind and heavy rain with 100mph wind gusts are completely different things. They do make such enclosures that are designed for these conditions and they are much more expensive.
If you really want to play with your devices around the pool including dunking and shooting video underwater, invest in a waterproof case. And even then a few drops of water inside the case won't affect your device. Protection is always better in layers.
Just copied this from W'Pedia. I use watches as an example of how the general public are fooled into believing what is written on the back of ones daily watch, vis:..... Quote........
"Water resistance classification[edit]
Watches are often classified by watch manufacturers by their degree of water resistance which, due to the absence of official classification standards, roughly translates to the following (1 metre ≈ 3.29 feet). These vagueries have since been superseded by ISO 22810:2010, in which "any watch on the market sold as water-resistant must satisfy ISO 22810 – regardless of the brand." [5]
Water resistance rating Suitability Remarks
Water Resistant 3 atm or 30 m Suitable for everyday use. Splash/rain resistant. Not suitable for showering, bathing, swimming, snorkelling, water related work and fishing. Not suitable for diving.
Water Resistant 5 atm or 50 m Suitable for swimming, white water rafting, non-snorkeling water related work, and fishing. Not suitable for diving.
Water Resistant 10 atm or 100 m Suitable for recreational surfing, swimming, snorkeling, sailing and water sports. Not suitable for diving.
Water Resistant 20 atm or 200 m Suitable for professional marine activity, serious surface water sports and skin diving. Suitable for skin diving.
Diver's 100 m Minimum ISO standard (ISO 6425) for scuba diving at depths not suitable for saturation diving. Diver's 100 m and 150 m watches are generally old(er) watches.
Diver's 200 m or 300 m Suitable for scuba diving at depths not suitable for saturation diving. Typical ratings for contemporary diver's watches.
Diver's 300+ m for mixed-gas diving Suitable for saturation diving (helium enriched environment). Watches designed for mixed-gas diving will have the DIVER'S WATCH xxx M FOR MIXED-GAS DIVING additional marking to point this out." End quote.
As you can see a wrist watch rated at 30M is ONLY splash-rain proof!!!!!! Though I am not a horologist some of my family have been for generations and the topic of water resistance is very close to my heart after ruing a VERY expensive watch some many years ago in the shower?!
Ryland
I keep phones on average 3 months. I'm a serial upgrader. Ever since my s6 I've been habitually swimming with my phone's. Never had a issue other than maybe for 24 hours the speaker is miffeled....Now if you plan on actually keeping the phone for longer than the blink of an eye then if baby it. But I jump on demand waaaaaay too often.
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Yes BUT. Its an awful lot more complex than that. There is static water pressure ie 1ATM per 10.33M of depth. Remember the surface is already measured at 1ATM . Add force of movement and those figures can go through the roof.
Fill your bath with water and allow your mobile to slowly sink to the bottom, generally no problem BUT if you hold the mobile in your hand and force it through the water even at 1" depth the force becomes another dimension of added pressure.
Our kids splash us with a garden hose and we all laugh. Get hit by a professional fire hose and it will take you for a ride down the street. Yet another example of water pressure.
The above poster says he regularly swims with his mobile. He adds he changes them every three months. Not only will the constant exposure to swimming pool chemicals degenerate the membranes on the mobile but one fine day he will be very surprised to find he has one screwed mobile.
Its a 1k€ device. I respect it for what it is. I also change phones at least 3-4 times a year but when I sell them they are brand new and have not been subjected to misuse. :highfive:
Ryland
It's true that the whole day when it's time to go to the gym I think about the phone and subject it to the girls drowning and all this routine
Does the lining of this mobile repeat the water? It protects you from sweat, all kinds of moisture from its components ¡Imagine only when we are in the bathroom and the phone rings ... it is not coba usually happens hahahaha
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