So, it's been a while since 4.4 has come to the S3 and there still doesn't seem to be any good news for those on a locked bootloader. Is it still the general opinion that it would be better to wait and keep the bootloader unlocked or should I give in and update while giving up my bootloader? I personally don't flash aosp or any other roms besides touchwiz and really only want root but I also think resale value (if I decide to sell later) could be a bit better if I keep bootloader unlocked. Anyways, what are you doing? Are you unlocked and waiting to see if we can get 4.4 on an unlocked bootloader? Did you / will you sacrifice bootloader and update to 4.4 and if so, is it / was it worth it?
Thanks!!
taihard said:
So, it's been a while since 4.4 has come to the S3 and there still doesn't seem to be any good news for those on a locked bootloader. Is it still the general opinion that it would be better to wait and keep the bootloader unlocked or should I give in and update while giving up my bootloader? I personally don't flash aosp or any other roms besides touchwiz and really only want root but I also think resale value (if I decide to sell later) could be a bit better if I keep bootloader unlocked. Anyways, what are you doing? Are you unlocked and waiting to see if we can get 4.4 on an unlocked bootloader? Did you / will you sacrifice bootloader and update to 4.4 and if so, is it / was it worth it?
Thanks!!
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I would say that if you don't like to play around with custom rom then update. I'm using stock rooted 4.4 and very happy with it. Custom rom give you more options/features but they come with bugs here and there and time to reflash. If you like trouble free then stock rooted is the way to go.
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taihard said:
So, it's been a while since 4.4 has come to the S3 and there still doesn't seem to be any good news for those on a locked bootloader. Is it still the general opinion that it would be better to wait and keep the bootloader unlocked or should I give in and update while giving up my bootloader? I personally don't flash aosp or any other roms besides touchwiz and really only want root but I also think resale value (if I decide to sell later) could be a bit better if I keep bootloader unlocked. Anyways, what are you doing? Are you unlocked and waiting to see if we can get 4.4 on an unlocked bootloader? Did you / will you sacrifice bootloader and update to 4.4 and if so, is it / was it worth it?
Thanks!!
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One of the things to consider when making this decision is this. What benefits/features/options of a custom ROM do you like or find necessary that stock (even rooted) might not offer? For me personally the only quarrels that I have with Samsung stock roms are touchwiz and the bloatware (additional S-Apps). I personally don't use too many of them as Google, among other devs, have better equivalents.
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One of the things to consider when making this decision is this. What benefits/features/options of a custom ROM do you like or find necessary that stock (even rooted) might not offer? For me personally the only quarrels that I have with Samsung stock roms are touchwiz and the bloatware (additional S-Apps). I personally don't use too many of them as Google, among other devs, have better equivalents.
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Thats cool
To unlock you boot loader doesn't mean you just want to flash custom roms .. its just the feeling of having complete ownership of your phone
You can be rooted stock and be happy but to be Rooted / Stock / With a unlocked boot loader is total freedom
Example
http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/23330085.jpg
The freedom to pick and choose what you want to do and how you want to do it
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jcbjoe said:
Thats cool
To unlock you boot loader doesn't mean you just want to flash custom roms .. its just the feeling of having complete ownership of your phone
You can be rooted stock and be happy but to be Rooted / Stock / With a unlocked boot loader is total freedom
Example
http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/23330085.jpg
The freedom to pick and choose what you want to do and how you want to do it
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That's perfect.
Sent from my Unlocked SCH-I535 running AOKP
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Leave bootloader unlock or locked before oem gb
I have a few friend who want to be back to stock for the gb update
should i leve boot loder lock or unlocked or still unknown whether after OEM GB
it can be unlocked again ??
They really don't need to. Rooted users will get the update before stock users. Im sure the devs will release the actual rom in different versions such as Untouched, rooted, deoxed, bloatware free and of course their custom roms based off the leak.
We will probably be running it at least a week or two before stock users...
I know the minute its leaked, Im going to root it, deox it & debloat it, then install it.
Leave it unlocked...once you go unlocked you never go back.
Sent from my Cyanogen Powered, Warp speed edition phone...Don't be Jealious!
I would seriously question the wisdom of installing a GB OTA on a s-on device if you ever had any interest of rooting it in the future. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but that sounds not so smart.
I've seen many different rooting methods for the nexus s but unfortunately they don't allow rooting without unlocking the bootloader like the samsung vibrant allows is there anyway I can root my phone without unlocking the bootloader?
why I don't want to unloack the boot loader because I'm fine with the stock ROM on my nexus s. I was really into installing ROMs and things with my Vibrant but the Nexus S feels really complete so I feel like I don't need to unlock my boot loader
Also for the first time I have decent signal in my house after switiching from my blackberry to android so I don't wanna change my baseband and my battery life is good too so I don't want to mess with the kernel
Nope, can't root w/o unlocking bootloader anymore.
Sent from my Nexus S using XDA App
If it means anything, u can re-lock the bootloader just as easily as u can unlock it.
Also, u can unlock and root without messing with baseband or kernel.
Sent from my Nexus S
anishs said:
I've seen many different rooting methods for the nexus s but unfortunately they don't allow rooting without unlocking the bootloader like the samsung vibrant allows is there anyway I can root my phone without unlocking the bootloader?
why I don't want to unloack the boot loader because I'm fine with the stock ROM on my nexus s. I was really into installing ROMs and things with my Vibrant but the Nexus S feels really complete so I feel like I don't need to unlock my boot loader
Also for the first time I have decent signal in my house after switiching from my blackberry to android so I don't wanna change my baseband and my battery life is good too so I don't want to mess with the kernel
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You don't have to change any of those things with an unlocked boot loader. Unlocking the boot loader does only one thing, unlock the boot loader. It doesn't need a custom rom. You don't even have to install a custom recovery if you don't want to.
All stock OTAs will continue to work as well - it will just allow you to load a custom recovery and the su binary if you please, with the ability to relock at any point in the future if desired.
One of the features of the nexus line of phones (and upcoming unlockable boot loaders) is that you aren't reliant on finding an exploit to elevate privileges in order to gain root access - you simply unlock the boot loader and you are free to do as you please (or not do if you choose).
Have a look here
This method
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1479831
worked perfectly on my i9023 running stock ICS.
I need to root, unlock, and install CWM right? How exactly do I do this? I tried to locate a how to without any luck.
The dev section is filled with all the info you need to know.
Also, not trying to be a **** but saying you searched when it is obvious that you didn't will get you nowhere.
OK I've read some more and had a couple more questions...
I noticed that the roms I've looked at don't require an unlocked phone. What's the point of unlocking the phone then? Can I just root and install CWM?
Some roms say "needs the 1.85 base." What does this mean and how do I get it before flashing a rom?
Thanks!
johnl199 said:
OK I've read some more and had a couple more questions...
I noticed that the roms I've looked at don't require an unlocked phone. What's the point of unlocking the phone then? Can I just root and install CWM?
Some roms say "needs the 1.85 base." What does this mean and how do I get it before flashing a rom?
Thanks!
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Some of the roms, prior to the unlock discovery, were executable as an RUU. All the updated versions require recovery which you need the bootloader unlocked to get in to. It's a painless process and there's even a 1-Click script method for those who dont want to take chances.
Will I be able to get the phone back to COMPLETELY stock should I decide to sell it in the future?
From what I know it will say relocked or tampered but maybe I'm wrong
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After unlocking your phone, there will be no way to get back to 100% stock unless we can get S-OFF (which hopefully may be in the near future due to a few devices already being S-OFF).
However, you can root your device and not unlock it (1.82 and prior as of now) and still be able to revert to 100% stock as if it came right out of the box.
Most of the ROMs currently do not require an unlocked bootloader.
However, this will definitely change as we begin to see custom kernels (hopefully soon with the release of the source by HTC Dev) and more complex ROMs (such as those based on AOSP, such as CM9 and AOKP).
So in short, you can still use most of the ROMs in the dev section. Just be aware however that if you do not unlock then you cannot install CWM (limiting the number of ROM options) and also if you update past 1.82.502.3 then you cannot root (at this time, other root exploits are being explored).
Is unlocking your bootloader the same as carrier unlocking your phone?
Does this mean that say, AT&T phones could be used on Tmobile?
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Is unlocking your bootloader the same as carrier unlocking your phone?
Does this mean that say, AT&T phones could be used on Tmobile?
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Nope. You are thinking of SIM unlock.
Bootloader unlock lets you load custom ROMs and change recovery, that's all.
Ok i recieved my galaxy s3 in the mail today and look up how to root it.I found a very easy way by using towel root with supper something to do some binary configuring so it would be a good root.Any way after my device was rooted i decided to get CWM so i could install a custom rom.I tried odin but when i tried it it failed to flash.So then i went on the play store and got rom manager and installed it through there.I then tried to get into CWM and saw this message "Verizion has detected 3rd party software bring it to a verizion shop" something like that.Anyway idk what to do now.Do i unlock the bootloader now? is the bootloader even the problem? if i unlock the bootloader will my device be okay and will i be able to get into CWM? i really need help its been a while since i rooted the last time i rooted it was a samsung galaxy player 5.0 and i was able to get CWM and root i digress.Thanks in advance.
im running 4.2.2
Nitrosolid said:
Ok i recieved my galaxy s3 in the mail today and look up how to root it.I found a very easy way by using towel root with supper something to do some binary configuring so it would be a good root.Any way after my device was rooted i decided to get CWM so i could install a custom rom.I tried odin but when i tried it it failed to flash.So then i went on the play store and got rom manager and installed it through there.I then tried to get into CWM and saw this message "Verizion has detected 3rd party software bring it to a verizion shop" something like that.Anyway idk what to do now.Do i unlock the bootloader now? is the bootloader even the problem? if i unlock the bootloader will my device be okay and will i be able to get into CWM? i really need help its been a while since i rooted the last time i rooted it was a samsung galaxy player 5.0 and i was able to get CWM and root i digress.Thanks in advance.
im running 4.2.2
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Your going to be upset but you have a locked bootloader. You cannot have custom recovery or most custom roms. I suggest you return it if these things are important to you and get an at&t or t mobile s3 because neither of them have locked bootloaders
Datboi459 said:
Your going to be upset but you have a locked bootloader. You cannot have custom recovery or most custom roms. I suggest you return it if these things are important to you and get an at&t or t mobile s3 because neither of them have locked bootloaders
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I'm almost sure the att version has a locked bootloader also. Att phones for the most part are similar to VZW ones
Sent from my Nexus 5
ShapesBlue said:
I'm almost sure the att version has a locked bootloader also. Att phones for the most part are similar to VZW ones
Sent from my Nexus 5
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What S3 device doesnt have a locked boot loader?
Datboi459 said:
Your going to be upset but you have a locked bootloader. You cannot have custom recovery or most custom roms. I suggest you return it if these things are important to you and get an at&t or t mobile s3 because neither of them have locked bootloaders
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Yeah your right.I really wanted to get a custom rom and over clock do all this nice stuff and make my device as awesome as i can make it.i hate verizion and any carrier who locks bootloaders :/.i guess im just gonna un-root it and try to get it back the way it was.Do you know how i can get that verizion message to go away and unroot?
Nitrosolid said:
What S3 device doesnt have a locked boot loader?
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The t-mobile and sprint version for sure have unlocked bootloaders
Datboi459 said:
The t-mobile and sprint version for sure have unlocked bootloaders
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That's true but I'm not sure about the att one
Sent from my Nexus 5
ShapesBlue said:
That's true but I'm not sure about the att one
Sent from my Nexus 5
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The at&t galaxy s3 bootloader is unlocked. They started locking the bootloader when the s4 came out: http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/08/att-stops-unlocked-bootloader-support/
Datboi459 said:
The at&t galaxy s3 bootloader is unlocked. They started locking the bootloader when the s4 came out: http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/08/att-stops-unlocked-bootloader-support/
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Right its an older baseband/update that's unlocked just like the VZW S3 running 4.1.2 was unlock able but newer versions are not unlockable
Sent from my Nexus 5
ShapesBlue said:
Right its an older baseband/update that's unlocked just like the VZW S3 running 4.1.2 was unlock able but newer versions are not unlockable
Sent from my Nexus 5
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On the AT&T S3 (i747) once you take the 4.3 update (MJB) the bootloader is restricted in that you can not down grade it, or any subsequent updates. (It is my daily driver phone)
It is not locked in the sense that you are prohibited from rooting, flashing custom recoveries, custom ROMs, etc. Once you upgrade to the NE4 bootloader and modem you must keep the version numbers for the bootloader and modem matched. It is possible to run custom JB roms on the KK bootloader and modem, although you may need to edit the updater script to get the custom recovery to flash the rom. People are running JB, KK, and LP ROMs on firmware from 4.3 upwards. These ROM are TW mods, AOSP, CM, and CM derivatives.
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On the AT&T S3 (i747) once you take the 4.3 update (MJB) the bootloader is restricted in that you can not down grade it, or any subsequent updates. (It is my daily driver phone)
It is not locked in the sense that you are prohibited from rooting, flashing custom recoveries, custom ROMs, etc. Once you upgrade to the NE4 bootloader and modem you must keep the version numbers for the bootloader and modem matched. It is possible to run custom JB roms on the KK bootloader and modem, although you may need to edit the updater script to get the custom recovery to flash the rom. People are running JB, KK, and LP ROMs on firmware from 4.3 upwards. These ROM are TW mods, AOSP, CM, and CM derivatives.
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That's pretty much how it was on the VZW S3, after the 4.1.2 update there was no going back
Sent from my Nexus 5
ShapesBlue said:
That's pretty much how it was on the VZW S3, after the 4.1.2 update there was no going back
Sent from my Nexus 5
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I agree with you about the no going back.
The big difference is that the AT&T S3 can install the custom recovery or ROM of your choice even if you have taken all of the OTA updates. It is not limited to two or three "safe" ROMs.
Anyhow, all of this is off topic of the thread.
dawgdoc said:
I agree with you about the no going back.
The big difference is that the AT&T S3 can install the custom recovery or ROM of your choice even if you have taken all of the OTA updates. It is not limited to two or three "safe" ROMs.
Anyhow, all of this is off topic of the thread.
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Ah no worries there. It is what it is. I'd rather just have an unlocked bootloader and not have to fiddle with specific things. I'm loving my Nexus and wouldn't go back to a Samsung right now if I was paid to do it
Sent from my Nexus 5
ShapesBlue said:
Ah no worries there. It is what it is. I'd rather just have an unlocked bootloader and not have to fiddle with specific things. I'm loving my Nexus and wouldn't go back to a Samsung right now if I was paid to do it
Sent from my Nexus 5
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My wish is that a Nexus had a removable battery and an external sdcard >> the perfect device. ;-D
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My wish is that a Nexus had a removable battery and an external sdcard >> the perfect device. ;-D
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Its not as bad as it sounds. I've gotten use to it not having either. Solid device overall
Sent from my Nexus 5
I love this phone and have had it for more than 2 years now, and have no plans of upgrading and will use it until it breaks down. Since I don't expect any updates any more, I was wondering if its worth rooting and flashing an Android 10 ROM (any recommendations?) this phone, especially since I want to use the Google camera that only works with Android 10. But as I read the guides and threads here, it seems rooting is more complicated than other phones.
So, is it worth it?
tukmulin said:
I love this phone and have had it for more than 2 years now, and have no plans of upgrading and will use it until it breaks down. Since I don't expect any updates any more, I was wondering if its worth rooting and flashing an Android 10 ROM (any recommendations?) this phone, especially since I want to use the Google camera that only works with Android 10. But as I read the guides and threads here, it seems rooting is more complicated than other phones.
So, is it worth it?
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To flash a custom ROM you don't need root but unlocked Bootloader.
If you didn't obtain BL code when it was easy and free or cheap, that is now complicated and expensive (although still possible)- look at some other threads where people asked about flashing and it always comes down to the question about unlocking Bootloader
zgfg said:
To flash a custom ROM you don't need root but unlocked Bootloader.
If you didn't obtain BL code when it was easy and free or cheap, that is now complicated and expensive (although still possible)- look at some other threads where people asked about flashing and it always comes down to the question about unlocking Bootloader
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I see. Thank you. Looks like I'm stuck with stock then. Thank you! It doesn't make sense to me to root if I can't flash anyway since I won't be able to get Android 10. The phone has excellent battery life and I have no complaints about speed. Unless there are benefits to just rooting that I don't know about?
tukmulin said:
I see. Thank you. Looks like I'm stuck with stock then. Thank you! It doesn't make sense to me to root if I can't flash anyway since I won't be able to get Android 10. The phone has excellent battery life and I have no complaints about speed. Unless there are benefits to just rooting that I don't know about?
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Did I miss, but you didn't mention the most important fact - what is your EMUI version.
Supposing you are on 9.1 or 9.0 since you are asing about Android Q....
For rooting you must also flash (e.g. Recovery-Ramdisk patched by Magisk to get root, on EMUI 9), so it again comes down to the same problem about obtaining the Bootloader code (locked Bootloader prevents Fastboot from flashing) - to get a picture why is it complicated to obtain the BL code, please read like:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-9/help/mate-9-reached-dead-t3978105/post80497731
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-9/help/hi-to-downgrade-firmware-versions-gpu-t3917826
However, you can still do useful modding without TWRP, root, custom ROMs - that is, without the need to unlock Bootloader, see:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-9/help/modding-removing-bloatware-blocking-ads-t3971297
zgfg said:
Did I miss, but you didn't mention the most important fact - what is your EMUI version.
Supposing you are on 9.1 or 9.0 since you are asing about Android Q....
For rooting you must also flash (e.g. Recovery-Ramdisk patched by Magisk to get root, on EMUI 9), so it again comes down to the same problem about obtaining the Bootloader code (locked Bootloader prevents Fastboot from flashing) - to get a picture why is it complicated to obtain the BL code, please read like:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-9/help/mate-9-reached-dead-t3978105/post80497731
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-9/help/hi-to-downgrade-firmware-versions-gpu-t3917826
However, you can still do useful modding without TWRP, root, custom ROMs - that is, without the need to unlock Bootloader, see:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-9/help/modding-removing-bloatware-blocking-ads-t3971297
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Awesome! Will look them up. Thank you so much! These are invaluable resources.