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Hey guys I was meandering through the forum reading up on the root progress, and I read about a member's idea and work on an automated root, I just want to say that from a dedicated member to the inc forum I am disappointed in the flaming and garbage that all you "experienced" devs are throwing at the people who haven't used adb before... Come on guys if you can't be kind why say something, you know? They won't learn if somebody is discouraging them from even trying... So just a thought, be kind because discouragement is not what these forums are about guys.
Peace to all you silly android fans out there and happy rooting!
People will make those sort of comments unfortunately.
And people will make these sort of posts about it.
Just another day on almost every community forums.
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People will make those sort of comments unfortunately.
And people will make these sort of posts about it.
Just another day on almost every community forums.
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Just saying man, coming from the inc forum where we actually help eachother... Its no way to talk to somebody who could actually turn into a decent dev, its happened tons of times
It has nothing to do with being rude or polite... The root process is very crude at the moment, recovery is not fully functional and You really can't back up if you fubar your phone... There is a very strong possibility of making a paper weight with the current method ... Just be patient I hear unrEVOked is working on root which won't come out until a solid recovery is running
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Here is a link for anyone needing adb help. i made a post in a thread with links to help users learn adb and understand it. i understand the being new and needing help. the link in the post are the links i used to learn adb and everything with it.
Will go directly to my post with links:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12255365&postcount=27
I agree with the OP...it was just the attitude of some of them that was the issue. Very rude and condescending. I do agree that right now it's a crude root method and that without a solid working recovery it's not advisable for anyone but the experienced. BUT that is no reason to denigrate those that want a one click solution down the line when things are solid.
When the Inc first was rooted, I remember the same types of posts about not knowing adb = shouldn't root.
It's just part of the territory. Also it leads to the same hand-holding through the process 50x a day.
It'll pass, just like it did with the Inc
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The above post is correct. Don't let anyone discourage you. We were all new to this at one point, and I don't think there is a single one of us that did not get an impolite comment directed towards a valid question at some point during the learning process.
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People are just rude in general. If you say something someone doesn't agree with, they make damn sure you know they disapprove. I took my leave from the INC forums after the iPhone 4 debacle that happened in the general forum. That and someone told me my ROM list was stupid and worthless in a PM...
I concur, I can ADB like I'm typing a paper (I have extensive command line experience) but my gf, who bought her first android phone recently, can hardly turn a computer on.
Long story short, some people don't want to risk breaking their brand spanking new phone just to have more functionality. If an easy, tried and true method presents itself, people will not only flock to it, but they will gladly give money for it (I know I would). Calling someone a noob or making fun of them is counter-productive and will deter all future forward progress here. No one wants to dev for a bunch of ingrates and jerks.
+1 to the OP.
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When the Inc first was rooted, I remember the same types of posts about not knowing adb = shouldn't root.
It's just part of the territory. Also it leads to the same hand-holding through the process 50x a day.
It'll pass, just like it did with the Inc
Ditto- I know what I don't know. And I don't know adb.
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I agree 100%. Too many jerks here for this forum to be a useful resouce atm. Maybe one day down the line....
magneticzero said:
I agree 100%. Too many jerks here for this forum to be a useful resouce atm. Maybe one day down the line....
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I would, respectfully, disagree w/that statement.
IMHO what happens is people get tired of listening to the same questions over and over and over - this is why we have a search button and why google kicks ass too. I think people get snippy after seeing the 8 millionth person come in and ask "what's root" or "what's a ROM".
I'm not sure of the rudeness the OP was mentioning as I haven't seen it in regards to NOOB developers, but from my own personal experience around here I've found this place to be very helpful. I learned all I could about rooting my Eris via google and on another one of the android forums, ultimately a google search landed me here and I took the plunge and rooted and started w/the Kaos ROMS before trying many, many others.
People shouldn't just come in and start asking Q's - they should look around first and when they don't, that's why trouble starts (not here, on ANY forum).
As far as the OP here goes, I haven't read the posts he was talking about, but I can understand why -if somebody was looking for legitimate "how to" info on development and that person was met w/a bunch of crap - they would be frustrated.
I love it here
If you find any rude people pm me about them, I have a hammer
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If you find any rude people pm me about them, I have a hammer
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We also have a chicken and a kraken (sp??) ....
As one of the newer users here, I understand where both sides are coming from. The amount of content here is kind of intimidating for some people, and those who are looking for a "do everything" solution such as one-click root are going to be dissappointed. And then some people are so impatient to root that they'll be pestering people, asking any question that helps them out immediately, not checking for already posted questions, and that's the hand-holding that is being criticized/attacked here.
But I do see where they are coming from. There is a lot of information here that is important, but with the volume of posts, it gets lost, and there seems to be no direct go-to thread or threads for people to ask questions like that in this forum. Unfortunately, not everyone is going to read all the threads here, nor will many set foot in the general Android forums here I think, so they don't know where to start, and many will ask their own questions in their own thread(s).
If anything, some of the most important information that needs to be more accessible IMO is the links to the driver/tweaking the driver for the device to be picked up with adb.
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There is a lot of information here that is important, but with the volume of posts, it gets lost, and there seems to be no direct go-to thread or threads for people to ask questions like that in this forum. Unfortunately, not everyone is going to read all the threads here, nor will many set foot in the general Android forums here I think, so they don't know where to start, and many will ask their own questions in their own thread(s).
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We all have our moments. I tend to answer the questions first, then include something like if you have to ask this, you're probably not ready to do it on your own yet, or here's your answer, but a simple search would have revealed it.
Google and search are our friends. Most of the "old timers" just get annoyed when people ask something that could have easily been found with either a Google search (set site to xda if only interested in xda responses) or with a forum search (search from main area that covers all subsections, use "show posts" and skim through the results), because the same question has been/asked answered dozens of times already.
All that said, the sub-forum structure across devices is inconsistent, the protocols of where to ask/post isn't consistent, and the search feature in xda absolutely SUCKS. I've always considered myself a pretty good query builder to find what I want quickly, but even I have to run through multiple searches to find what I'm looking for. The 30 second delay between being able to start a new query can be very frustrating, if xda dropped that to 10 seconds or so, it would probably encourage more multiple searches before asking. It's no wonder newer members get frustrated, though many are just too lazy or desperate to take the time to look...
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If you find any rude people pm me about them, I have a hammer
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Alright good to know, thank you
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Russ36363 said:
There is a lot of information here that is important, but with the volume of posts, it gets lost, and there seems to be no direct go-to thread or threads for people to ask questions like that in this forum.
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A Q&A sub-forum would help with this. It helped the Fascinate forum out a lot with the very same issues described in this thread.
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Garrett07 said:
Just saying man, coming from the inc forum where we actually help eachother... Its no way to talk to somebody who could actually turn into a decent dev, its happened tons of times
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I just want to say that until last night I HAD no idea how to use adb. One of those devs that you are complaining is so rude, got me the help I needed, to the point that they were on RDP with me and handheld me thru it, even straight did some sections.
In ither words I'm finding nothing but help from the dev community.
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I just want to say that until last night I HAD no idea how to use adb. One of those devs that you are complaining is so rude, got me the help I needed, to the point that they were on RDP with me and handheld me thru it, even straight did some sections.
In ither words I'm finding nothing but help from the dev community.
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I never said they aren't helping, I'm saying that rudeness is not what forum communities need to be based on, its not right that people have to have attitude online, nor in general, people come to forums for help and communication they don't want to get on a thread and see that somebody has posted a reply being rude to their work and or statement, its just something I'd like to see change but it never will
I am not sure where to go to ask this but can we get some mod attention in threads. It is hard for a newb or someone to come into the dev section and weed through 100+ pages of fluff and stuff to try and figure out what's up with a ROM. Can we please get the mods to start modding?...a lot of stuff in a these threads can be removed and maybe consolidated. I must say I am getting frustrated trying to read threads to see if any of the ROMs have FFC capability in yahoo because it is not a major issue to some of the devs and it is one of the major needs I have so I try to read through threads to see if it was mentioned only to go page after page of nothing but chatting....
I am not trying to step on any toes or anything just asking if we can get some garbage clearing around the boards...
case in point 5 pages on a thread before a ROM was even posted minutes ago...I love that we hav an active community but...come on.
The mods work for free, do a decent job of removing things that actually violate XDA's ToS and there is a pretty kick ass search feature built in to the site. What may be idle banter and useless thread clutter to you is probably important, helpful information to the people involved in those topics. How many people see people discussing FFC issues or IM service issues and consider it a waste of thread space?
Not trying to piss in your puddle or nothin, but I like that everyone can discuss what they want and our voices aren't silenced arbitrarily by unpaid moderators.★
★Mods feel free to arbitrarily delete this post.
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The mods work for free, do a decent job of removing things that actually violate XDA's ToS and there is a pretty kick ass search feature built in to the site. What may be idle banter and useless thread clutter to you is probably important, helpful information to the people involved in those topics. How many people see people discussing FFC issues or IM service issues and consider it a waste of thread space?
Not trying to piss in your puddle or nothin, but I like that everyone can discuss what they want and our voices aren't silenced arbitrarily by unpaid moderators.★
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While I see your point....tell me how a person new to the boards can read through 200+ pages for one ROM?..search only goes so far...the development board is supposed to be about the development of a ROM not talk back and forth about a coming soon or mindless banter from several weeks ago just adding to page after page of nothing related to the ROM...like I said before glad we have an active community but would be nice at some point they work to make the threads little more manageable for readers. Some might consider it a waste of space but to be fair it is an issue related to the ROM not "are you gonna get that uploaded today?"
fair enough, though you could have made a backup, flashed a rom, checked yahoo, and restored in the amount of time it took you to make these posts, let alone read through several pages of a thread.
Well true that...fair enough although I am not weeding through the threads just looking for that and I also start at the end and work backwards...the mods do do it for free here but they took that upon themselves...
Easy steps for your problem
1. Go back to stock ROM
2. Unroot your phone
This should save you alot of time spent reading unecessary threads (such as this one)
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While I see your point....tell me how a person new to the boards can read through 200+ pages for one ROM?..search only goes so far...the development board is supposed to be about the development of a ROM not talk back and forth about a coming soon or mindless banter from several weeks ago just adding to page after page of nothing related to the ROM...like I said before glad we have an active community but would be nice at some point they work to make the threads little more manageable for readers. Some might consider it a waste of space but to be fair it is an issue related to the ROM not "are you gonna get that uploaded today?"
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Okay i'm going to bust some chops here.
1) The development community here at XDA has always been one of the top notch communities on the known planet. The devs around here do an amazing job. and i applaud them. they have done nothing less then amazing work, and they only thing they ask for is a "thanks" or a small donation... and rarely ask for money.
2) they have always started one thread per ROM design. Look at TeamRoyal they have several different ROM styles and several different threads. They use these threads as feedback. They read through them to see what people are saying so they can make changes accordingly. The one really long thread, will do more good for them then starting a new one per new ROM release.
3) the [OP] will 9 out of 10 times will include a log to indicate what has been fixed in the first post. We can quickly and easily use this to see what problems have been fixed. So reading the 200 pages will tend to be boring and pointless. But to the one person who sees __________ as being a problem can voice their opinion and see if anyone has a known fix for it.
4) if you are reading page one through x on a ROM that has 8 different updates you have no one to blame but your self. the earlier the post the lower version of the ROM it's related to. You ought to look for when the post was edited then go to the back back and start reading. And go backwards until you hit the date and time which the [OP] was edited. It's not rocket science.
lowandbehold said:
Easy steps for your problem
1. Go back to stock ROM
2. Unroot your phone
This should save you alot of time spent reading unecessary threads (such as this one)
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I lul'd with heartiness.
I see the OP's POV... But as a modder of these phones you kinda have to sit there and read hundreds of pages. All of this stuff is trial and error so i think what you see as useless clutter is normal and needed so that the developers can perfect these ROMs. Not to be a **** or anything but all this hacking isn't four everyone. And if you don't have the patience to sit and read through pages of stuff then he or she shouldn't be getting into all of this.
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beezie916 said:
I am not sure where to go to ask this but can we get some mod attention in threads. It is hard for a newb or someone to come into the dev section and weed through 100+ pages of fluff and stuff to try and figure out what's up with a ROM. Can we please get the mods to start modding?...a lot of stuff in a these threads can be removed and maybe consolidated. I must say I am getting frustrated trying to read threads to see if any of the ROMs have FFC capability in yahoo because it is not a major issue to some of the devs and it is one of the major needs I have so I try to read through threads to see if it was mentioned only to go page after page of nothing but chatting....
I am not trying to step on any toes or anything just asking if we can get some garbage clearing around the boards...
case in point 5 pages on a thread before a ROM was even posted minutes ago...I love that we hav an active community but...come on.
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Towards the bottom of every forum page, you will see a list of the moderators assigned to the forum. If you see some things out of place, please take a few moments to send a PM requesting a cleanup.
I completely agree with the OP. There are many useless posts on every single thread (sometimes to just say one word + 10char... That is not helpful to anyone at all, and neither are posts to just say "Thanks".. That's what the damn Thanks buttons are for), but it's pointless voicing your thoughts on this.. You will simply get bashed, told to go elsewhere or told that you don't appreciate the community's work.
I've learned that this is just one of those things you have to let go and just put up with it.
Not trying to get into a pissing match here, just pointing out that in the same sense of hitting the damn thanks button, moderators are listed and a PM system is in place. Posting a thread invites general discussion. If the problem truly exists with the moderators it should be privately discussed with them. By its very nature a thread in the general section is either a shot at the moderators or a shot at the community, neither of which are fair imo.
Why are some so ignorant and believe the world must cater to them, don't mind the other 100,000 ppl here... SMH
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I agree that often there is clutter and light-hearted banter stuck in the middle of otherwise-technical info. But you know, be careful what you wish for. If it's annoying or problematic to wade through a 200+ page thread, look at the flipside of the coin. I've been in many forums where, for one reason or another, problems and discord started to reign, with everyone having a problem with everything, and then after a while, they WISHED they could have threads with 200+ pages, since 3/4 of the people left in frustration.
As for the same info being in different places, other than some automatic, intelligent, self healing mindmap plugin to the forum software being available, this is what it is. Think of it as a magazine. Some ads, some fluff, but lots of great articles. Leaf through it, and enjoy.
Reading all those pages on development and rom threads have made it so I don't have to ask another repeated question and annoy our devs to the point of quiting. They make you more self sufficient with your phone and modding it.
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It's funny
You know its funny that this thread is asking to get other threads cleaned up. I'm just posting this comment to try and reach my 10 comments so I can post in the developer section. This is ****ing bull****. What a horrible policy.
You could always ask your questions in Q&A. Or post in General about whatever it is you wish to say. It's 10 posts, how much frustration can there possibly be.
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Why are some so ignorant and believe the world must cater to them, don't mind the other 100,000 ppl here... SMH
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I agree with you!! Nothing was handed to me on a silver platter. I did my own research and didnt ask for much help in return!! Yes the threads will have some clutter, Just seems like people are a little lazy these days and want the fast anser, or to have it done for them... Just Sayin
Ok............
Its generally not the done thing to go into a dev thread and start deleting posts unless they are seriously off topic.
In which case the dev would probably have told the offender to stfu anyway....
If however, there is a real need for a thread to be cleaned then have a look for your relevant mod at the foot of the page and drop us a pm.
Seeing a thread like this feels a little like a slap in the face to be honest. As mentioned we do this for free, in our spare time. I haven't been through here for a few days as I've been busy outside of XDA so I apologise if a few [Q]'s have built up in general or development but I'd like to think that any serious matters would have been reported.....
Also, it's possible to search an individual thread, saves you reading all 200 pages....
Not that 200 is a lot for a ROM thread
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Please stop bickering, life is too short, banter binds a community together. Peace and love. Ps. I have cancer! Makes you think!
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anything out there yet for this phone?
anything in the works?
would be nice to speed it up and get rid of a lot of these unwanted apps that come preinstalled and can't be removed..
plus I would like to find a way to get BETTER BATTERY life!!!
aliensquale said:
anything out there yet for this phone?
anything in the works?
would be nice to speed it up and get rid of a lot of these unwanted apps that come preinstalled and can't be removed..
plus I would like to find a way to get BETTER BATTERY life!!!
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Imnuts posted some since yesterday...by opening the eyes you will see the light lol
aliensquale said:
anything out there yet for this phone?
anything in the works?
would be nice to speed it up and get rid of a lot of these unwanted apps that come preinstalled and can't be removed..
plus I would like to find a way to get BETTER BATTERY life!!!
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Wow....Really lmao
Did you read anything at all in the Dev section? i presume you did as you posted this there lol
There is Root methods, and a deodexed rom by imuts......
aliensquale said:
anything out there yet for this phone?
anything in the works?
would be nice to speed it up and get rid of a lot of these unwanted apps that come preinstalled and can't be removed..
plus I would like to find a way to get BETTER BATTERY life!!!
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can you take 5 seconds to look at the posts at the top of the thread before posting this crap?
really its posts like this that ruin xda
Here are my issues with this thread:
You already created a thread asking this exact same question last week.
You joined XDA 10 days ago, have 31 posts (as of right now), and have created 13 new threads. Its been a while since I was in algebra class, but the ration of posts:threads is definitely out of whack.
Going forward, please take a moment to review all available information before asking a question or opening a new thread. In addition to the forum search, you were prompted to review similar topics during the creation of each of the 13 threads you have amassed up to this point.
We are XDA Developers, not XDA Spoonfeeders. In the end, a little time spent looking will go a long way.
wow you guys are harsh... coming from a software engineering job myself for years now I remember why I couldn't stand working with developers...
thanks guys!
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wow you guys are harsh... coming from a software engineering job myself for years now I remember why I couldn't stand working with developers...
thanks guys!
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the above points are all sound
you clearly lack the ability to do any form of research on your own...and shouldnt need your hand held through the simplest of things
I agree with what everyone said here. Its not hard at all to look around. And the Charge forum doesn't even have many posts compared to SGS2 or the Thunderbolt. Not that hard at all.
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You guys are jerks. Just give a straight answer.
Of course there's no roots or roms. Locked bootloader, duh. Doesn't take a genius to find that info
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LOL...this thread is funny...but I think NotATreoFan said it best. Stop creating so many threads...if you already created a thread with a question that's not answered...just bump it, don't start a new one...this is a new forum and we would all like to keep it clean of useless threads.
Also, Dude if you don't like developers, keep your stock phone and don't come here to talk smack. These people put hours of work in to make EVERONE'S phone better. You don't like the manner in which it's done or the way the forum is handled, then leave and keep your stock ROM. Don't blatantly disregard the rules of the forum and expect help or a straight answer without getting some flack for it.
Sorry, I don't post much, but with jerks like this, I can't just not say something.
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You guys are jerks. Just give a straight answer.
Of course there's no roots or roms. Locked bootloader, duh. Doesn't take a genius to find that info
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im grateful for locked bootloaders...that way bad people cant my credit cardz infomations
LOLS
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aliensquale said:
wow you guys are harsh... coming from a software engineering job myself for years now I remember why I couldn't stand working with developers...
thanks guys!
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Buddy, There is "ONE" page for Charge Development, yes thats right ONE page with 14 threads... including this one, and your being a **** becuase you didnt take literally 15 seconds to glance at the thread titles?
you guys waste all this time making these crap comments... how about making a decision.. you can..
1.) answer the original question
2.) ignore the post completely
3.) LOCK the post and comment to 'search' the threads..
better than trying to beat somebody up in 'virtual' world..
this is what I mean by some people having nothing better to do but flame somebody for making a simple mistake.. yes as a newbie I don't quite understand all the 'terms' for the roms, etc.. so that's why I asked this basic question...
Moderator, please lock this thread or delete it.. I don't need anymore useless comments...
thanks
I love this thread! hahaha
aliensquale said:
you guys waste all this time making these crap comments... how about making a decision.. you can..
1.) answer the original question
2.) ignore the post completely
3.) LOCK the post and comment to 'search' the threads..
better than trying to beat somebody up in 'virtual' world..
this is what I mean by some people having nothing better to do but flame somebody for making a simple mistake.. yes as a newbie I don't quite understand all the 'terms' for the roms, etc.. so that's why I asked this basic question...
Moderator, please lock this thread or delete it.. I don't need anymore useless comments...
thanks
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you could have
1) looked for the words *root* and *rom* for 2 seconds and had ur questions answered
2) realized your mistake and taken your lumps
3) take note this happens to everyone who posts threads like this in development, you are not alone
also xda *shouldnt* be a n00b help-line....its a forum for development and intelligent discussion
People looking to remove samsuck apps, try Bloater.apk
Thread moved to General and closed.
It used to be almost every dev would release their mods on XDA and they would eventually trickle out to the other forums. Lately I noticed more stuff being released on ROOTZWIKI and not on XDA. 2 cases in point are IMNUTS hacked kernel and JT moving all his mods to ROOTZWIKI.
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It used to be almost every dev would release their mods on XDA and they would eventually trickle out to the other forums. Lately I noticed more stuff being released on ROOTZWIKI and not on XDA. 2 cases in point are IMNUTS hacked kernel and JT moving all his mods to ROOTZWIKI.
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Some Devs are continuing to contribute and post their work on XDA; however, a lot are fed up with XDA for lots of reasons and have left. Many are posting at rootzwiki now. Some exclusively.
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GrainOsand said:
It used to be almost every dev would release their mods on XDA and they would eventually trickle out to the other forums. Lately I noticed more stuff being released on ROOTZWIKI and not on XDA. 2 cases in point are IMNUTS hacked kernel and JT moving all his mods to ROOTZWIKI.
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yeah I think some of the devs are getting fed up with the way the site is run, moderated, or just general dislike of the sometimes rude people here... Rootzwiki is not bad, almost exactly like XDA in the way it looks and operates... I signed up over there and check both forums as it seems you are right and little by little more is only being posted over there
interesting. will have to sign up for an account there too.
thanks, OP.
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btw, what are some things about XDA that's upsetting Dev's?
There is way more activity here though. People tell it like is here and some may construe that as rude.
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I just downloaded the app. I find it much harder to navigate than XDA's.
EDIT: Not much activity. May be a great way to escape the influx of noobs. But my Android soul belongs to XDA.
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I just downloaded the app. I find it much harder to navigate than XDA's.
EDIT: Not much activity. May be a great way to escape the influx of noobs. But my Android soul belongs to XDA.
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Devs get free test rigs over there... It's also an insiders only place that not alot of noobs know about.
Xda pays google a ton of money for search results... That's why xda is gigantic
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danalo1979 said:
Devs get free test rigs over there... It's also an insiders only place that not alot of noobs know about.
Xda pays google a ton of money for search results... That's why xda is gigantic
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well more are gonna know about it now lol... don't mean to derail thread but any news on a possible humble GB update (if any)?
huh. interesting.
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Xda pays google a ton of money for search results... That's why xda is gigantic
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That's not how Google works -- you can't pay them to rank higher (or even rank at all) in search results. XDA may pay for sponsored links (AdWords) next to the search results, but I'm not even sure they do that as in countless ROM-related searches I've never seen an XDA ad.
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I'll create a (not so short) list of reasons why people are leaving
New people asking questions that have been asked 500 times
People not reading threads for known issues/problems/etc.
People not searching before asking/posting
Rude people (not just "telling it how it is" either)
Know it all types that really know nothing
People not following
Lack of moderation
Unfair moderation
Inconsistent moderation with regards to rules
Sense of entitlement among users (goes back to rude people)
I'm sure there are other reasons as well. As for XDA paying for Google rankings, they may not directly, but indirectly, pages that get traffic get higher rankings in search results. And also, a site's age/reputation factors into it as well.
RootzWiki is new, and with most forums I've been to for phones, people will wait to see what the better forum is, then go there. With most devices being released already before RootzWiki started, communities have already developed elsewhere. As new phones come out, where people are posting could quite easily change. And so far, RootzWiki has a much more consistent moderation approach, as well as developer friendly environment.
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I'll create a (not so short) list of reasons why people are leaving
New people asking questions that have been asked 500 times
People not reading threads for known issues/problems/etc.
People not searching before asking/posting
Rude people (not just "telling it how it is" either)
Know it all types that really know nothing
People not following
Lack of moderation
Unfair moderation
Inconsistent moderation with regards to rules
Sense of entitlement among users (goes back to rude people)
I'm sure there are other reasons as well. As for XDA paying for Google rankings, they may not directly, but indirectly, pages that get traffic get higher rankings in search results. And also, a site's age/reputation factors into it as well.
RootzWiki is new, and with most forums I've been to for phones, people will wait to see what the better forum is, then go there. With most devices being released already before RootzWiki started, communities have already developed elsewhere. As new phones come out, where people are posting could quite easily change. And so far, RootzWiki has a much more consistent moderation approach, as well as developer friendly environment.
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but I (and most of the regulars) appreciate the ones who do stay and put up with it this isn't a job so its awesome you guys keep up with this, especially for as long as some of you have
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but I (and most of the regulars) appreciate the ones who do stay and put up with it this isn't a job so its awesome you guys keep up with this, especially for as long as some of you have
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+1. I just try answer as many questions as possible so you guys don't have to. Once again, thanks for all the work you do and the other devs do!
imnuts said:
I'll create a (not so short) list of reasons why people are leaving
New people asking questions that have been asked 500 times
People not reading threads for known issues/problems/etc.
People not searching before asking/posting
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I'm still using one of your early non-voodoo pbj kernels (along with your modified cwm). Stock EE4. Even at that time, the instruction & comment thread was quite large, with lots of feedback, problems, advice, & fixes. I know you devs are really good at updating the first post of the thread, but the following sentence still applies, especially for newbies.
It is therefore important to read entire threads!
Of course, this is where the problems start for the new folks (re impatient). Then come questions on clarifications. True, I've seen you answer the same question many times.
I can't relate to the "entitlement mentality" of some users.
I read a lot of yours (& kejar's) writings. Truly enjoy it.
I follow the forums with the most traffic. More traffic = more knowledge for me. (selfish bast. . .)
Sorry your experience here is turning sour. I'll not contribute to the apples.
Thanks for all of your hard work, devotion, & yes, patience.
Chris
personally i post everything i do on both xda and rootz
in the beginning i wasnt entirely in support of yet another forum. but they do a lot over there and as new phones come out (especially verizon ones) id imagine the communities will be larger and larger there versus xda
having said that, im surprised xda hasnt shut down this thread yet because apparently speaking of other forums isnt allowed
whereas rootz will let you post xda links and discuss whatever u want (even to their own detriment) regardless
I will add a few reasons that are not mentioned already
1... At Rootz, the site owners are appreciable and friends with many of the devs... They are also strong supporters of developers
2... The allow subforums.. this is important as once you get a subforum, you as the dev/owner of that subform can moderate yourself....
I remember back in the windows mobile Touch Pro 2 days PPCGeeks was the place to be for Sprint/Verizon Roms, so it's definitely possible for development communities to shift to a different website. If enough big developers used Rootzwiki exclusively, I think everyone would follow them. People go wherever the developers go. Rootzwiki giving out free phones to developers is also pretty cool...
I m an android divice user more than 2 years.... I have found this site while i was searching in google for rom over a year ago.
I didnt need to register to download roms. But yesterday I felt like, its will be better to be a member here.
Though I m a noob here, But I don't think I m that much stupido...
While regestering...... I was surprised to see..... Why this site demands toooo much to regester????
I guess too many noobs post to the wrong forum threads... I'm also a noob here. All I want to post is a bug in a ROM but those threads are only open to me after 10 posts.... This is number 4
Well..... I also wanted to comment in a thread. that is locked for me too. now just counting down from 10 to 1.
Hmm.....MHO is I never thought this site was too "demanding" just by making newbs watch a video on newbs......they want to try to keep some riffraff off the site......what's wrong with that?
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Nothing wrong bro.... Never mind. I m a newby here, But I have some experience of working in other forum.... Unlike XDA, I never find huge amount of retraction.
Just some rules and guidelines to follow. Nothing to major. The video shows you how to find what you need so the same question is not asked a million times. It gets annoying as you may know from other forums when the answer to the question is 5 to 10 posts right before there's. We were all noobs at one point and in my opinion will always be noobs as everything changes so quickly.
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Yeah... Obviously I respect the rules. But its too much annoying to put captua every time when I want to reply.
It's only ten posts.
Even if your dad taught you to repair cars since you were five and you learned how to drive when you were nine, they're still going to want you to pass a test to get a license.
Even though many professionals have gone to school for years and have degrees, they still have to take licensure exams.
Ten posts is not all that insulting or a big deal. I understand legitimate concerns, such as when disability makes this hard - but for a person lucky enough to be able to enter ten CAPTCHAs without having to get help, I don't think it's a big deal.
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Its because there are many noobs who spam the forums/
Anyone who has spent time on a windows forum or the Ubuntu forums knows that moderating can be a full time job when people don't use the forum correctly. It makes the forum harder to use for regular users when there is a ton of spam. I work on phones and computers for a living, have been a dev for custom windows installations in the past. I want to learn this now. I appreciate the noob rule even though its a pain in my butt right now.
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