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[INFO] Why we don't have ICS yet + more info about it

Hi, I have noticed a ton of people curious about why AT&T people do not have ICS yet, so I thought I would answer that once and for all. I admit that I and others have gotten a little mad whenever people ask about this, but it seems they are not able to really find a clear answer, so here it is.
If you feel like this is well done, please sticky it at least until we get it all figured out.
I figure this would be best said i a Q and A type form.
Q: What is ICS, and why does everyone want it so bad?
ICS or "Ice Cream Sandwich" is android version 4.0.x. the next version, 4.1 Jellybean was just released as a slightly less important update, but ICS brought huge changes from Ginger Bread (2.3.x) the previous phone version (3.x HoneyComb was tablet only). ICS brings a slicker, darker, and better looking user interface, as well as many performance enhancements. Most of us want it more because it seems like we should than because it is actually that much better. That said it is still a great update, and most people will be happy to see it.
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Q: Why is it so hard to get ICS for our phone, while others have it even though it is not officially out?
The main reason is our locked bootloader. That means it is not possible to flash or boot a custom kernel unless it is signed with Motorola's key. That is obviously impossible.
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Q: What is a kernel?
the kernel is a major part of any operating system. you can think of it as a sort of layer between hardware and software. It is the part of an OS that communicates directly with a device's hardware. Android is based off the open source Linux kernel, meaning it is free for anybody to build and modify. However, Motorola has only released the source for the ME865, and partially for the MB865, meaning we can't really build a kernel anyways. Then of course, even if we could build one, we wouldn't be able to boot it with our locked bootloader.
ICS is not really complete without the newer kernel that goes with it
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What is Kexec, and is there any way to unlock the bootloader
The fact that I grouped these together would probably lead you to correctly believe they are related. Lets start with the second half. Simply put, NO. I hate to say it, but there is very little hope of EVER unlocking our bootloader, unless Motorola decides to do something like HTC did and allow unlocking.
Kexec is a method of hot switching kernels while still booted. It is actually just a linux tool that you can use on a computer, but it has been built for android essentially allowing you to bypass the bootloader. Theoretically it would be an easy way to run custom kernels. Then why don't we? Well a few reasons. One, we can't really get one built to begin with, especially because, at least to my knowledge, jimbridgman is the only one who actually knows what he is doing with kernel building, and he is only half here now that he got his fany new SGS3. Two, it does not work great. I am not sure the latest version is working at all on our phone, and even if it did, only one processor comes up, meaning it is really slow.
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Q: What's the deal with these Droid 3 builds that supposedly boot?
Some people managed to build ICS for the droid 3 based of a 2.3.6 kernel. that means you can boot it on a stock GB kernel, and therefore you do not need to unlock the bootloader. Unfortunately that means it is not totally ICS, but it is still pretty good. Of course they are for a cdma phone, so that means no data, no calls, and no gps, making it kind of useless.
I am not going to give a link to them, but if you are really interested go search around. any of the Droid 3 AOKP and CM9 builds will boot just fine. Find more info in the dev section, but please don't start a thread asking about it.
We have been trying to port these to work for us, but that is proving more difficult than expected, and with ICS just around the corner, I don't want to put time into it. I do think it is possible, and if you are a dev looking to give it a shot, PM me and I will tell you all I know, and try to help out as much as I can.
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Great thread!
Thanks for putting this together!
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jimbridgman said:
Great thread!
Thanks for putting this together!
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thanks. I felt it was needed. let me know if I forgot to say something important.
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Perhaps this will hopefully curb some of the incessant "where's my ice cream sandwich" or "make me a rom based on ICS" threads here. Nice job, and as always, your work here is both highly appreciated and revered.
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Nice work kras, as always.
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Hell i thought this thread was going to give me info on why att hadn't released ics for us yet. Just kidding, good job. If this thread falls down the list ill bump it so maybe it will help some of the new people and we won't get any more new threads about ics.
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Apex_Strider said:
Perhaps this will hopefully curb some of the incessant "where's my ice cream sandwich" or "make me a rom based on ICS" threads here. Nice job, and as always, your work here is both highly appreciated and revered.
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No,Most likely once posts stop on this thread and it makes it to the second page we will see more questions im sure lol
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rdavisct said:
No,Most likely once posts stop on this thread and it makes it to the second page we will see more questions im sure lol
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that's why I asked for sticky
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The good news is that the "3rd quarter" is tomorrow! Which knowing motorola and AT&T, could mean whatever.
Take that with a grain of salt. Lol.
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Fall of Enosis said:
The good news is that the "3rd quarter" is tomorrow! Which knowing motorola and AT&T, could mean whatever.
Take that with a grain of salt. Lol.
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so is September
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Why don't we have a vanilla rom? Is it due again to the locked bootloader?
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gvsukids said:
Why don't we have a vanilla rom? Is it due again to the locked bootloader?
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yep. same thing. we have a hard time compiling any also source as you need a custom kernel
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Nice post..
Just one thing to inform about your last question's ans.. DROID 3'S ROMS DONT WORK ON OUR PHONE. IT WILL BOOTLOOP. SO DO NOT TRY FLASHING THEIR AOKP OR CM.. without backups and sufficient knowledge and experience atleast.. some changes have to be made in the rom before flashing.. i am trying to find all the files we must replace to get them working on our phone.. and just a FYI for those of you that wanna try.. other than droid 3, bionic is our nearest relative.. so u can edit and try their roms as well.. i did kinda get cm9 of bionic after replacing some required files.. but it bootlooped.. and of course bionic is cdma.. so.. good luck..
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Ravikirancg said:
Nice post..
Just one thing to inform about your last question's ans.. DROID 3'S ROMS DONT WORK ON OUR PHONE. IT WILL BOOTLOOP. SO DO NOT TRY FLASHING THEIR AOKP OR CM.. without backups and sufficient knowledge and experience atleast.. some changes have to be made in the rom before flashing.. i am trying to find all the files we must replace to get them working on our phone.. and just a FYI for those of you that wanna try.. other than droid 3, bionic is our nearest relative.. so u can edit and try their roms as well.. i did kinda get cm9 of bionic after replacing some required files.. but it bootlooped.. and of course bionic is cdma.. so.. good luck..
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You are not right. I can prove it. The latest droid 3 AOKP and Cm9 builds will boot just fine, with no radio

You should also add Why any other leak releases of atrix 2 ICS will not work on att atrix 2..... Sick of will this work on my att..... About to be like yea we all use it lol JK.....

Ravikirancg said:
DROID 3'S ROMS DONT WORK ON OUR PHONE. IT WILL BOOTLOOP. SO DO NOT TRY FLASHING THEIR AOKP OR CM9
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Couldn't be more wrong....they both boot just fine and are pretty functional, the problem lies in getting the radio to work.

Ravikirancg said:
Nice post..
Just one thing to inform about your last question's ans.. DROID 3'S ROMS DONT WORK ON OUR PHONE. IT WILL BOOTLOOP. SO DO NOT TRY FLASHING THEIR AOKP OR CM.. without backups and sufficient knowledge and experience atleast.. some changes have to be made in the rom before flashing.. i am trying to find all the files we must replace to get them working on our phone.. and just a FYI for those of you that wanna try.. other than droid 3, bionic is our nearest relative.. so u can edit and try their roms as well.. i did kinda get cm9 of bionic after replacing some required files.. but it bootlooped.. and of course bionic is cdma.. so.. good luck..
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Please I emplore you to do your proper research before making incorrect posts like this. I constantly see posts from those who think they know it all, and post idiotic things like this. Nothing makes me madder than someone who does not know how to use google and the search function.
It takes less than 2 min. to make sure you CYA before posting bad information.
Both CM9 and AOKP boot, but with no radio, as has already been said in several posts now. I have tested both.
P.S. most of us devs in here have been working on this very thing for sometime now, and I have not seen you jump in on any of threads discussing the files or how to port or anything.
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jimbridgman said:
Please I emplore you to do your proper research before making incorrect posts like this. I constantly see posts from those who think they know it all, and post idiotic things like this. Nothing makes me madder than someone who does not know how to use google and the search function.
It takes less than 2 min. to make sure you CYA before posting bad information.
Both CM9 and AOKP boot, but with no radio, as has already been said in several posts now. I have tested both.
P.S. most of us devs in here have been working on this very thing for sometime now, and I have not seen you jump in on any of threads discussing the files or how to port or anything.
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Agreed, They actually run extremely well, but obviously I can't stick with them with no radio.
P.S. this is my new best thought for porting, might take some extra build.prop work too. It did not boot for me, but I think we should be able to get it to. Then it is just a question of whether or not the radio will work. there is way more in build.prop on that than I would think.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1598713
I think it may work because it really adds the cm9 stuff to our own files rather than add our files to it. maybe not the cleanest way, but it might just work.

hankbizzo5 said:
You should also add Why any other leak releases of atrix 2 ICS will not work on att atrix 2..... Sick of will this work on my att..... About to be like yea we all use it lol JK.....
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WOW, did I really forget to add that? that was kind of one of the main points of this post I'll fix it tomorrow (actually today, I guess it is after midnight), but I need some sleep.

lkrasner said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1598713
I think it may work because it really adds the cm9 stuff to our own files rather than add our files to it. maybe not the cleanest way, but it might just work.
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I have tried this method along with every idea that popped in my head of things to alter after following this guide. I have a highly modified build prop that AOKP boots with that I replaced with a lot of our build prop but there are still some things missing as no luck yet

how many CM10 or jelly bean threads is there going to be

the dev section has turned in to a nightmare ... 4 threads on the Jelly bean ... i think they are all all the same thing lol

while i am grateful for the work the devs put into the roms, it does seem a bit unnecessary for multiple threads with what appears to be the same rom.

This needs to be in Q&A. LMAO.
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lownox said:
This needs to be in Q&A. LMAO.
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although I agree since this is a question, it would almost be hypocritical because then there would be 3 JB question threads for the cappy
Its getting all too disorganized. And they still have too many bugs imo

Phlashaholic said:
although I agree since this is a question, it would almost be hypocritical because then there would be 3 JB question threads for the cappy
Its getting all too disorganized. And they still have too many bugs imo
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couldnt we all get the devs to combine threads or something

iosmonster said:
couldnt we all get the devs to combine threads or something
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This would be nice.
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Someone should close the two new JB thread and let the old one open. Because right now there are 3 same JB ports from the same original thread (By Derteufel).
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So far the one that's being updated the quickest is the one by monfro so we should keep that one I guess and its more convenient because you don't have to flash the kernel for that one
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iosmonster said:
So far the one that's being updated the quickest is the one by monfro so we should keep that one I guess and its more convenient because you don't have to flash the kernel for that one
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are you having problems with wifi? My wifi toggle wont turn on and ive tried all the jb roms. everything works fine except wifi

jefro009 said:
are you having problems with wifi? My wifi toggle wont turn on and ive tried all the jb roms. everything works fine except wifi
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for me wifi was working perfectly, i just moved back to remics 1.3.1, but try a reflash dont forget to data wipe and format system, and you have to flash everything in proper order, i was using sliceruks v4 port so for that you have to flash rom, kernel, addons, superuser, and then fix the permissions in recovery

CheesyNutz said:
the dev section has turned in to a nightmare ... 4 threads on the Jelly bean ... i think they are all all the same thing lol
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I'm sure some sort of order will emerge from the chaos ... just give it time

Good news is, the two porter, sliceruk and monfro is now both working with one thread. The best team up so far, so well be updated to CM10 Alpha releases. :victory:

This problem only makes it harder for people who are looking for a good JB rom to find one. I really don't want to try them all, just give us the best one and stop posting the same thing over and over again.

as many as needs to be! info is appreciated. im just outside the noob phase and i can tell you the feedback is VERY helpful.

JellyBean kernels in development for NS?

I'm fairly new to XDA, so I don't mean to tread on anyone's toes by asking.
Anyone currently developing a JellyBean kernel for Nexus S (or 4G)?
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MercilessLTD said:
I'm fairly new to XDA, so I don't mean to tread on anyone's toes by asking.
Anyone currently developing a JellyBean kernel for Nexus S (or 4G)?
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Of course there is. Every Dev who has created a ICS will make a JB. Not sure this is worthy of a thread start. Next week things will start rolling in Kernels and Rom's. Just enjoy JB.

Nothing is coming until we have source. This thread only asks a question that even a little bit of logic would make unnecessary. I don't get why anyone would feel the need to ask it, I mean what's their reasoning? Is every kernel dev is sitting on their hands until someone asks if anyone's working on something?

063_XOBX said:
Nothing is coming until we have source. This thread only asks a question that even a little bit of logic would make unnecessary. I don't get why anyone would feel the need to ask it, I mean what's their reasoning? Is every kernel dev is sitting on their hands until someone asks if anyone's working on something?
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source seems to be there : https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/samsung
branche : android-samsung-3.0-jb

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So, I tried to build a JB kernel, but it won't boot. It appears that Google have not pushed the correct kernel source for the JB OTA...
The PVR userspace libs and kernel driver is mismatched.
So, I've requested the correct source on the Android Building groups, and will release a test version whenever they decide to push that...
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=29051464&postcount=333

jokkir said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=29051464&postcount=333
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If you read thalamus thread, thats been fixed...
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Air kernel weekly version for JB released
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[DISCUSSION] Official ColdBlooded CM10 ROM Support Thread

Hey everyone! Here is where you can post about my ROM is you:
1. Have less than 10 posts
2. Don't wan't to post in the development section
3. Have a really nooby question and don't want to be embarrassed :good:
Please keep it to general questions here and any comments or bugs that you think belong in the development section should be posted there.
ColdBlooded CM10 ROM HTC One S DEV Thread
Thanks!

whats the difference between this and cm10? they look identical to me

Fukwork said:
whats the difference between this and cm10? they look identical to me
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This is CM10. I don't want to explain it again but basically I will be merging my ColdBlooded Tweaks soon. I compiled from source and then made some modifications so some more things worked. Also, I am available to help people and fix issues where as the other cm10 is not as they are very VERY busy doing great work on other things/roms! Just try the rom and you will find out or read in the thread. I can't go very deep into now because I am busy doing many things but I'm sure you will figure it out.

nice work
Nice Work BiteBlaze.
I'm using your ROM as my daily driver and is awesome.
Was a little difficult to me to at the first because the phone don't boot, just hang out on the X boot image. I flash with TWRP first, and I think I didn't do full wipe out, don't remember.
After flashing the boot.img that come with the zip all went well
Some bugs that you maybe already know:
the incoming notification appear some glitch;
Also my battery life is short, 6 hours for the first boot. In "battery usage" I didn't notice any strange behaviour, my screen is consuming most of the time 60%. Maybe I have to calibrate my battery.
But in resume all works well.
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Thanks

goncajf said:
Nice Work BiteBlaze.
I'm using your ROM as my daily driver and is awesome.
Was a little difficult to me to at the first because the phone don't boot, just hang out on the X boot image. I flash with TWRP first, and I think I didn't do full wipe out, don't remember.
After flashing the boot.img that come with the zip all went well
Some bugs that you maybe already know:
the incoming notification appear some glitch;
Also my battery life is short, 6 hours for the first boot. In "battery usage" I didn't notice any strange behaviour, my screen is consuming most of the time 60%. Maybe I have to calibrate my battery.
But in resume all works well.
Love Google Now Cards
Thanks
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Your Welcome! It will only get better in the future

Ahhhhhhhh!!!! I've got a dilema, i'm quite fine with my actual rom Paranoid Android.... but I want to try yours so much !!
I do need a stable rom with a good battery life! So... if some people makes relevant comments to convince me to flash it i'll do it, héhéhé! :silly:

I was little skeptical at 1st because I'm running the other cm10 but this feels a lot better and you actually have a camera app. Awesome job. I noticed cm10 has theme engine will you be adding that feature to your ROM?
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Yep. Next time I compile I will add the theme engine. Also, vote on the poll in my dev thread and tell me if I should make a lite version.
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Is it ever possible that we can receive official support from the CM team once this is no longer alpha/beta (almost everything works)? What our devs do here is completely amazing and mind boggling, but it would always be more concrete if we get official support. I always wondered why we do not have CM support when our device is tied in first place with the One X (over GSiii!). Thanks for the amazing hard work getting this going!

Compiling new version now
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V0.5.1 is out!
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Full wipe required?
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PoseyBAH said:
Full wipe required?
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I dirty flashed and it worked OK. I would suggest it though if you are not coming from a previous build of COLDBLOODED.
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nice work, thanks.

what about youtube
on 0.50 you tube wouldn't work correctly if it isnt fixed could you work to fix it. Also great rom it is my daily driver and aside from video it works great

Will be S3 version?

thecoby said:
Will be S3 version?
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I do not understand exactly what you are saying, but yes I will make it for the S3 but the current version is S4
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You say that you will make this rom for HOS with S3 chip? Yes!! ETA maybe?

thecoby said:
You say that you will make this rom for HOS with S3 chip? Yes!! ETA maybe?
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I have no eta as the s3 just got a custom recovery right? I'll see what I can do though
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Yes, S3 just got custom recovery. Thank you in the name of all S3 users.

Need NANDroid Backup for Rom Development

Does anyone have one that they can spare? I'm looking for one that came right after a fresh flash, hopefully gingerbread. I don't have this phone any more but I want to start development on it, and I need a system.img file and a few others to make it run in my AVD emulator. I've tried everything from decompiling RUU's to stripping apart rom after rom. I promise to wipe everything clean. PM me with a link if you can, I'll make sure to mention you when it's released. I already have it in late-alpha and I hope to work some bugs out and release it soon.
Thank you.

flapflip22 said:
Does anyone have one that they can spare? I'm looking for one that came right after a fresh flash, hopefully gingerbread. I don't have this phone any more but I want to start development on it, and I need a system.img file and a few others to make it run in my AVD emulator. I've tried everything from decompiling RUU's to stripping apart rom after rom. I promise to wipe everything clean. PM me with a link if you can, I'll make sure to mention you when it's released. I already have it in late-alpha and I hope to work some bugs out and release it soon.
Thank you.
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Sense or Aosp development? If its a Sense rom keep it we have enough of them already lol

Jiggs82 said:
Sense or Aosp development? If its a Sense rom keep it we have enough of them already lol
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AOSP, but either will work. It's beautifully themed, light, and fast. It just has a few bugs that I need to work out :/

Yes, it is related to development, but it is not development itself. Maybe I can help? Let's just start this some place else, where it does not bother the devs I will be more than glad to help
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Don't worry, but I'm glad to help you!
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