Sorry if this has been asked and answered, but why are there not any ROMs for the SM-P9000, I mean this tablet has been out for several months and there is still nothing? Not complaining, just curious...
acejavelin said:
Sorry if this has been asked and answered, but why are there not any ROMs for the SM-P9000, I mean this tablet has been out for several months and there is still nothing? Not complaining, just curious...
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It costs too much and has a very small user base.
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Hmm... Makes sense. Thanks for the answer.
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Hmm... Makes sense. Thanks for the answer.
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The price is dropping-slowly. Maybe once the prices drop to a more reasonable rate, folks will buy it and more interest will grow in building Roms. I bought mine the second day it arrived on Verizon, just glad that the Verizon version finally got rooted and I was able to install my Root-Only apps and Xposed.
I agree, after root you remove/freeze bloatware, add all the apps to multi-window and pen window, use xposed modules, it's as good as a custom ROM.
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I agree, after root you remove/freeze bloatware, add all the apps to multi-window and pen window, use xposed modules, it's as good as a custom ROM.
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Yup! Can't wait until we either get Safestrap or break the Bootloader so we can have Custom Kernels....but for right now-I'm ok with it. It runs so much better since I've removed all the bloatware.
Also, there is a few really great market apps that supplement the multi window and add most other apps too.
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Yeah the only thing I wish I could do is customize the look of the notification and quick settings shade. Wanam is only partially helpful with this (increased the number of quick tiles thats about it).
I primarily use the tablet in landscape mode and it irks the crap out of me that the entire screen isn't utilized. Having the screen underneath visible on the left and right quarters of the screen is meaningless to me when they're forcing me to scroll vertically through notifications due to lack of width so I'd like to either reduce the font sizes in the shade (system wide LCD density screws up stock keyboard) or have more flexibility on the layout.
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...system wide LCD density screws up stock keyboard...
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Have you tried app settings module in xposed? You could change system DPI and then use this module to change any app DPI back to default if they don't behave.
Yeah if memory serves this fixed full sized landscape keyboard layout but there were other issues with the other modes of the keyboard. It's been a while though, are you using it that way?
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I use that module to lower DPI for some apps. Many system apps don't look good at custom resolution.
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I agree, after root you remove/freeze bloatware, add all the apps to multi-window and pen window, use xposed modules, it's as good as a custom ROM.
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Except that Touchwiz is still annoying to deal with and bogs down the system. Even with a pretty high clock dual-quad-core processor, I still experience some stutters and "slow" app launches, etc.
Custom ROMs or a stock ROM for this tablet while keeping pressure sensitivity for the S Pen in tact would be amazing. Not to mention that this tablet doesn't get horrible battery life, but it would far better running a more stock experience with something like Franco Kernel.
It's pretty disappointing that this tablet is basically zero dev support, but it's not surprising since it's such a niche tablet. Most consumers don't want a huge tablet, plus the price tag is pretty high. With a screen this large, it also makes sense to have an actual keyboard, which adds even more to the cost.
This tablet would be even more amazing with dev support, but don't hold your breath because it likely will never get any love. We'd be lucky to get a single stable custom ROM project before this becomes a piece of "outdated" kit.
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Except that Touchwiz is still annoying to deal with and bogs down the system. Even with a pretty high clock dual-quad-core processor, I still experience some stutters and "slow" app launches, etc.
Custom ROMs or a stock ROM for this tablet while keeping pressure sensitivity for the S Pen in tact would be amazing. Not to mention that this tablet doesn't get horrible battery life, but it would far better running a more stock experience with something like Franco Kernel.
It's pretty disappointing that this tablet is basically zero dev support, but it's not surprising since it's such a niche tablet. Most consumers don't want a huge tablet, plus the price tag is pretty high. With a screen this large, it also makes sense to have an actual keyboard, which adds even more to the cost.
This tablet would be even more amazing with dev support, but don't hold your breath because it likely will never get any love. We'd be lucky to get a single stable custom ROM project before this becomes a piece of "outdated" kit.
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I hope we get cyanogenmod at least. hate touchqiz.
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I hope we get cyanogenmod at least. hate touchqiz.
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I have owned the Note 8.0, the Note 10.1 2014, and now the Note Pro 12.2. I do not understand why some one spends the extra money for a device with the S Pen and then wants a rom that will make the S Pen utterly useless. Besides that, The Note 8.0 did get Cyanogenmod but the Note 10.1 2014 has not as yet gotten anything but customized Touchwiz roms.
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I agree, after root you remove/freeze bloatware, add all the apps to multi-window and pen window, use xposed modules, it's as good as a custom ROM.
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nrage23 said:
I have owned the Note 8.0, the Note 10.1 2014, and now the Note Pro 12.2. I do not understand why some one spends the extra money for a device with the S Pen and then wants a rom that will make the S Pen utterly useless. Besides that, The Note 8.0 did get Cyanogenmod but the Note 10.1 2014 has not as yet gotten anything but customized Touchwiz roms.
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I agree 100%. Whenever, people ask me for my opinion as to what tablet to get (or rather should they get what i have - either the note 8.0 or the note pro) I actually tend to steer them away from the note series. I explain to them that if they are not going to use the S-Pen extensively then they should get another tablet with better specs (one that is more optimized for gaming or watching video). As far as I'm concerned the S-Pen is the selling point of the Note series tablets - so why render it useless or even limit the capabilities of it with a Rom that would do that?
P.S. In regards to getting a tablet optimized for gaming or watching video I just picked up a Galaxy Tab S 8.4 (for my wife) from Best Buy. I wasn't really in the market for another tablet but they have a deal where you can trade in your working tablet (that's in their database) and get $50 off (or even more if the value of it is worth more) plus another $50 off toward the purchase of a Galaxy Tab S tablet. They will allow up to two tablets to trade in. Since my wife and I both had HTC Flyers lying around collecting dust we decided to trade them in. Combined with other Best Buy discounts I got a total of $171 off . Because of this it made me just purchase it (did I say it was for my wife:laugh The display is stunning.
I haven't owned a Note device prior to this one, but I doubt that devs are incapable of rummaging through Samsung's code and finding the bits that pertain to S Pen functionality. The sensors are built into the device--the rest is software. With all the crazy stuff that devs can do on Nexus devices, I'd think that a clever dev could maintain the S Pen functions while offering a more stock experience.
It's pretty sad that Samsung forces such an annoying, heavy UI on its consumers when other OEMs are moving closer to a stock experience. I wouldn't even have the desire for a custom ROM on this tablet if it were closer to stock Android. But there are just annoying bits like the headhphone volume warning every time I want to turn up the volume. Does Sammy really think its consumers are so idiotic that they can't handle their own volume controls without going deaf?
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I haven't owned a Note device prior to this one, but I doubt that devs are incapable of rummaging through Samsung's code and finding the bits that pertain to S Pen functionality. The sensors are built into the device--the rest is software. With all the crazy stuff that devs can do on Nexus devices, I'd think that a clever dev could maintain the S Pen functions while offering a more stock experience.
It's pretty sad that Samsung forces such an annoying, heavy UI on its consumers when other OEMs are moving closer to a stock experience. I wouldn't even have the desire for a custom ROM on this tablet if it were closer to stock Android. But there are just annoying bits like the headhphone volume warning every time I want to turn up the volume. Does Sammy really think its consumers are so idiotic that they can't handle their own volume controls without going deaf?
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Yea, there are a lot of stupid little annoyances with Touchwiz (not to mention the excessive bloatware). But in my experience with the Note devices it is much better to have a Touchwiz base custom Rom rather than removing it altogether. Even though the devs do a remarkable job, once you remove Touchwiz there are just too many issues to deal with in getting the same functionality out of the S-Pen that you have actually paid more for.It just doesn't seem to be integrated enough once you remove Touchwiz. To me it seems as if it becomes just a regular tablet that you can use a stylus on with apps that call for it. And if that is the case I would just buy, say a Tab Pro and a stylus. Also in regards to those little annoyances (and the bloatware) there are plenty of modules that can be used to minimize them. This tablet would be perfect if CivZ was able to make a custom rom and kernel like he has done for the Note 8.0:good:
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It costs too much and has a very small user base.
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Price shouldn't be an issue anymore. Price on refurbs is pretty low. I just picked up the Note Pro 12.2 for $429 - 13% ebay bucks = $375
Permissive kernel would be great
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Guys,
Just freeze all stuff you find to be non sense, heavy, resource intensive or you just don't like, install Xposed Framework, Nova Launcher or other of your taste and voila, you get a totally customized rom without loosing any of the native features of the Samsung original rom. You don't need to have a miscellany of custom roms to be happy. I totally agree about having a very expensive device and not using its native features. Nonsense. It's not only the hardware, but the software implementation that it's also awesome. I believe samsung was the first to implement multi window in an android device and IMHO it's better then Halo (I believe this is the name).
My first tablet was a xoom and I still have it. Old hardware, slow, but its construction quality reminds me the iPad. With OmniRom it performs just well. After it I only had Samsung Note tablets and phones. All disposable, peace of junk if you compare to the quality of the iPad, or even with the xoom, but the project is absolutely great. Hardware and software working in perfect tune. Disposable, but while it's working it's just great. And of course, if you take good care of it, it will last some years (don't drop it please). So, keep it original, that's the great thing on the Note line of tablets (and phones), customize it with the tools available around and you'll see how good these tablets can be. Having good customized and optimized TW roms is always good, but similar results can be achieved without flashing a single zip.
Root is a must!
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I have an original iPhone 2G that I want to replace. I've been waiting for the new iPhone 4 to come out, and I was planning on buying one -- but the death-grip problem got me to do some research, which is how I found out about the Captivate.
Now I'm torn on which one to get. Obviously I'm very accustomed to the iPhone, but I've never used Android. So...
1. What are the major differences between iOS and Android?
2. What might I like better about Android? What might I not like about Andriod? And what might I like better about iOS?
3. What might I like better about the Captivate phone? What might I prefer about the iPhone 4 phone?
4. I've read a lot of comments about "Lag" on the Captivate, which would really bug me. Is it true?
Etc, etc...
I think you get the point of the thread.
Thanks in advance.
The hardware differences are obvious. As far as lag, yes, there's some issue's but there's work arounds.
The biggest difference, the IPhone is a great phone, right out of the box without messing with anything. But your stuck with what you got. Apps are restricted, web is restricted, your pretty much at the mercy of att and apple.
Android, requires more out of the box tinkering, but you have endless possibilities. You can customize your phone the way you want it.
You have to realize that the iPhone and ios are completely locked down. You are destined to use the apps that apple ok's you have no other hardware choices and are locked into iTunes and all things apple.
Android is a complete 180 it allows for so much customization that it is simply mind boggleing. If you are unhappy with a certain apps or feature sets you can simply build your own or find something else.
With this.freedom comes responsibility. You need to manage your Apps and memory usage. You have to babysit a bit in order to get the most out of the device.
Being able to play most movie files and tons of audio file types is very freeing
Also the screen is insanely gorgeous.
It really comes down to two things in the end.
Do you have tons of Apps already for ios that you are not willing to part with?
Do you like geeking out a bit in order to build your dream device?
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As far as lag, yes, there's some issue's but there's work arounds.
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Got a link to these workarounds? This one's a biggee for me.
rob989_69 said:
The biggest difference, the IPhone is a great phone, right out of the box without messing with anything. But your stuck with what you got. Apps are restricted, web is restricted, your pretty much at the mercy of att and apple.
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Does this mean that if we're happy with the iPhone out of the box we're better off with iPhone 4 since there's no need to mess with anything?
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You can customize your phone the way you want it.
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How so? Can you give some examples? I only know what the iPhone gives us out of the box, so I have no way to know what I might be missing.
Thanks.
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Got a link to these workarounds? This one's a biggee for me.
Does this mean that if we're happy with the iPhone out of the box we're better off with iPhone 4 since there's no need to mess with anything?
How so? Can you give some examples? I only know what the iPhone gives us out of the box, so I have no way to know what I might be missing.
Thanks.
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Android uses widgets, which is something iOS lacks. You have the freedom to add and remove more than just app icons to your homescreen, such as weather indicators, contact rolodex, clocks, RSS feeds, facebook updates, everything. you can literally have every piece of pertinent info such as your todo list, email, weather, time, and alrams, all available on a single screen, without having to inside individual apps.
Another nifty feature of android are the live wallpapers. These animated, and often interactive, backgrounds adds a unique customization that lets people know your phone is unique.
the captivate is VERY usable right outside the box, unlike some other android phones. Despite what some people say, the Touchwiz UI (the UI that samsung has installed) is very fun to use, easy to customize, and is a natural transition for iphone users. The app dock at the bottom makes it feel slightly like an iphone, but includes the Android widgets to give you a nice feel of the phone.
On the downside, Samsung and AT&T install a lot of bloatware that slows down the phone. You will more than likely want to root the phone to be able to uninstall the AT&T Apps, the only duplicate the functionality that android has by default, and at a cost. for instance AT&T Navigate is a monthly charge app that is inferior to the free and default android navigate.
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On the downside, Samsung and AT&T install a lot of bloatware that slows down the phone. You will more than likely want to root the phone to be able to uninstall the AT&T Apps...
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Hmmm, this may be a problem. The sluggishness would drive me nuts, but if "root" is similar to Jailbraking, it's not my cup of tea. I know, I know... most of you have no problem with this... but I've never done it and I most likely never will. Which (apparently) leaves me with a sluggish phone. Not good.
I appreciate the feedback... it's the only way to truly learn.
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Hmmm, this may be a problem. The sluggishness would drive me nuts, but if "root" is similar to Jailbraking, it's not my cup of tea. I know, I know... most of you have no problem with this... but I've never done it and I most likely never will. Which (apparently) leaves me with a sluggish phone. Not good.
I appreciate the feedback... it's the only way to truly learn.
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You can disable all of the apps without root, but they will still be in your menu taking up space. I notice it's the Samsung widgets that cause lag the most (but honestly, it's still snappy even with the bloat) once you disable them the thing flies.
And rooting is only superficially similar to jail breaking. all rooting does is install the superuser app that allows you to do things an administrator is allowed to do. If you don't want it on your phone you simply uninstall the superuser app and it's back the way it was. what would be more akin to jailbreaking would be to enable sideloading, a way to install apps without using the market. This requires editing the system database, which is harder to reverse. You can enable root without also enabling sideloading, they are two different processes.
If you use a PC, you can even use Droid Explorer to uninstall apps without rooting your phone.
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If you use a PC, you can even use Droid Explorer to uninstall apps without rooting your phone.
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Dont you need to have root access to install busybox? My droid explorer wouldnt work until I downloaded and installed an updated busybox.
Rooting my phone was the first thing I did as soon as I got home, so I'm not sure if you need to have root access to install busybox or not.
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Dont you need to have root access to install busybox? My droid explorer wouldnt work until I downloaded and installed an updated busybox.
Rooting my phone was the first thing I did as soon as I got home, so I'm not sure if you need to have root access to install busybox or not.
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Not sure, I rooted immediately as well, I just read about the explorer here on the forums.
Wtf is this lag you all talk about?? install laucher pro and that fixes the laggy touchwiz UI ****tiness...other than that android runs like butter on this device its unreal, i had an acer liquid and trust me android is not the same on a galaxy S its just unreal how smooth it is.
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Hmmm, this may be a problem. The sluggishness would drive me nuts, but if "root" is similar to Jailbraking, it's not my cup of tea. I know, I know... most of you have no problem with this... but I've never done it and I most likely never will. Which (apparently) leaves me with a sluggish phone. Not good.
I appreciate the feedback... it's the only way to truly learn.
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I suspect that people who have issues with sluggishness just got too enthusiastic about newly acquired freedom I solved this issue (that is if I even had it in a first place) by switching from Live Wallpaper to a regular one. No other tricks. I use TouchWiz (I like it). Here is a video comparing iPhone 4 and Captivate side by side. It uses stock Captivate and it's not any more sluggish than iPhone 4. In fact, it's faster in many tests.
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Wtf is this lag you all talk about?? install laucher pro and that fixes the laggy touchwiz UI ****tiness...other than that android runs like butter on this device its unreal, i had an acer liquid and trust me android is not the same on a galaxy S its just unreal how smooth it is.
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It's not touchwiz that is laggy. I love touchwiz and it's extremely responsive. Rather, it's the Samsung widgets that clutter 3 homscreens that are very processor intensive. Once you place them in the trash and replace them with other apps from the market the experience is far better.
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Here is a video comparing iPhone 4 and Captivate side by side. It uses stock Captivate and it's not any more sluggish than iPhone 4. In fact, it's faster in many tests.
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Interesting. Thanks for the link.
I'm coming from an iPhone (from what it sounds, i'm a more power user than you but I can offer insight)
the captivate has the advantage of having in house chip manufacturing, now while I have rooted and sideloaded and removed att bloat...before I did that all I did was remove the daily briefing widget (pretty useless imo) and I never experienced any slow down. I was used to waiting a bit with the 3gs so I was pretty happy with the experience.
If you're concerned about lag, don't. there really isn't any. it's perceived from when you hear you have a 1ghz phone that is as good as jesus. Everything even the fastest home computers have the occasional lag.
as for rooting, it really just allows you to have some more control over your phone. It's a stepping stone yes, kind of like a gateway drug into android tweaking. But if you can control yourself it'll allow you to simply remove the ATT apps that suck and use a nice and zippy touchwiz (which I actually really like) and because TW is very iphoneish, you should have a good time navigating.
but man lemme tell you, the browser is much better than iPhone. Flash is pretty awesome. The Screen is much much much! better than the 4's and it is bigger which I personally like. I think it hits the sweet spot between big and medium (I wanted a streak but it took way to long to come out, and i'm glad i didn't bite on an import).
The only two apps which are better on iPhone are facebook and MLB at Bat (at bat because of mlb.tv) otherwise the selection is nice on android, and the apps are very diverse.
I think you'd like it, but then again this is just my opinion. I'm more of the tinkerer anyways and I HAD to jailbreak my iPhone to enjoy it.
the captivate has some neat little tweaks that'll keep surprising you (I find new things every day)
choice is yours hope i could help
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I'm coming from an iPhone (from what it sounds, i'm a more power user than you but I can offer insight)
the captivate has the advantage of having in house chip manufacturing, now while I have rooted and sideloaded and removed att bloat...before I did that all I did was remove the daily briefing widget (pretty useless imo) and I never experienced any slow down. I was used to waiting a bit with the 3gs so I was pretty happy with the experience.
If you're concerned about lag, don't. there really isn't any. it's perceived from when you hear you have a 1ghz phone that is as good as jesus. Everything even the fastest home computers have the occasional lag.
as for rooting, it really just allows you to have some more control over your phone. It's a stepping stone yes, kind of like a gateway drug into android tweaking. But if you can control yourself it'll allow you to simply remove the ATT apps that suck and use a nice and zippy touchwiz (which I actually really like) and because TW is very iphoneish, you should have a good time navigating.
but man lemme tell you, the browser is much better than iPhone. Flash is pretty awesome. The Screen is much much much! better than the 4's and it is bigger which I personally like. I think it hits the sweet spot between big and medium (I wanted a streak but it took way to long to come out, and i'm glad i didn't bite on an import).
The only two apps which are better on iPhone are facebook and MLB at Bat (at bat because of mlb.tv) otherwise the selection is nice on android, and the apps are very diverse.
I think you'd like it, but then again this is just my opinion. I'm more of the tinkerer anyways and I HAD to jailbreak my iPhone to enjoy it.
the captivate has some neat little tweaks that'll keep surprising you (I find new things every day)
choice is yours hope i could help
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I also got suspicious about Daily Briefing once I saw that it was updating AP news constantly. I disabled AP News but kept the weather and the stock quotes. In my observation those are not updated automatically (or very infrequently). I think this was enough. I am still thinking about junking entire widget though
Every piece of [email protected] is different, just find the one that fits you best, if you know what I mean. Apple is great but equally the competition. Heck I had the HTC Aria before the Capt. It's was snappier and has a better UI I think, darn screen is just to small. My wife has the I4 and its cool too for what she uses it for.
Okay... thanks, guys.
I won't comment on regarding the operating system, but i'll tell you why pick Captivate.
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Let's just say, SGS currently offers nearly everything at the top of the market.
BUT, it would NOT be future proof. Technology advances regardless of any economical drawbacks, there WILL be better phones out there in the future.
Screen - debatable with iPhone4's screen
This really is a territory where personal preference will determine which the better screen will be, the differences are that minuscule.
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iPhone4 Retina Display vs. Galaxy S Super Amoled
CPU/GPU - YES YES YES. THREE times the speed of today's smartphone.
Coolermaster
Hummingbird vs. Snapdragon: The 1 GHz Smartphone Showdown
OS - Debatable so i wouldn't want to get into this. (but might i add this? the community behind android, let alone other OS, has an advantage of being futuristic-proof because of the regular tweets and mods)
Camera - 5mp, pretty darn low comparatively to other smartphones but it's adequate/satisfying after seeing the vids/pics
For me, I would certainly pick SGS. This is a bad place to ask for our opinon, it's a SGS dedicated section! (Trust me, you won't regret it. The screen is the dealbreaker)
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AT&T 16gb, No FFC, No flash, gyroscope
Tmobile 16gb, No FFC, No flash, gyroscope
Verizon 2gb, No FFC NOT SURE, flash, gyroscope, Wi-fi Hotspot supported
Sprint 1gb, Yes FFC NOT SURE, Flash, gyroscope, Keyboard, wi-fi hotspot supported
International 8/16gb, FFC, no Flash, gyroscope (not sure)
Captivate has metal battery door.
Nice sliding usb port.
Cool push down opening of the battery door.
better look, in my opinion
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Anything else you're wondering?
Seeing as how this is XDA, I'm not surprised everyone is siding with Android/SGS. I'm going to sled a little light on the iPhone since it has yet to be mentioned at all.
Did everyone forget about jailbreaking for the iPhone? The iPhone is just as customizable through jailbreaking as rooting is to Android. People are talking about how the apps are restricted but there is also Cydia and Cydia is freaking amazing.
I definitely recommend you to try and experience both. Reading up on how something is can only go so far. Having personal experience will give you A LOT of insight on how much devices are and which 1 best suits you. Go to AT&T, address the debate that you're having with them and I'm sure they'll gladly arrange something where you can try both devices for X amount of days.
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Does this mean that if we're happy with the iPhone out of the box we're better off with iPhone 4 since there's no need to mess with anything?
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Probably best to stay with iPhone if you don't have a reason to switch.
That said, jailbreaking on the iPhone isn't anywhere near the same thing as rooting the Android.
IE, iPhone users have been waiting a long time now for the iOS4 jailbreak, Captivate users had a root before it ever came out.
Captivate is as simple as putting a zip file on the device, rebooting the phone and applying it. EASY. Not near as involved as jailbreaking the iPhone.
I was originally thinking about getting an international Galaxy Tablet, but as much as I'd like a tablet as a phone...I know it's not the ideal solution for multiple reasons (lack of warranty, primarily).
Anyway, a friend can get me one brand-new for $250, and it'd be a decent upgrade from my HTC G2. I know development for it isn't the best, and ICS probably won't arrive at least for another month (and it'll suck going back to Gingerbread after having used ICS for a bit on my G2), but I don't want my G2 to completely crap out and have to buy a new phone on a whim like that (and it'd be nice to have the G2 available as a backup).
Not interested in the Galaxy II (I get that it has better features, but it just looks/feels so cheap to me), and the Galaxy III is a nice phone, but I won't use half the features/power and it'd be an extra $100 or so. Nothing else on T-Mobile really appeals to me.
That being said, other than the previously-mentioned lack of development, are there any issues with the Blaze that I should know about? Or any major reason (other than development) that I should go with the GS3 instead?
If you've only ever used a AOSP style CM capable device (like me) you may regret going to something that only runs TouchWiz. Sure, you can change the launcher, uninstall swype and install the better version, and root it to uninstall a bunch of apps you don't want/need... but there are other things you can't change.
The lock screen, phone call screen(s) and some other things are remarkably slow and unresponsive, and is this ridiculous attempt to bring ICS looks and features to a poor gingerbread implementation. I don't understand how a company can make a phone with dual 1.5Ghz cores perform some things so slowly when my 1Ghz MT4G was responsive as hell. The phone feels "nicer" in the hand than some other samsungs I've held but that's about all it has going for it. Oh, and it supports T-Mobile's WiFi calling.
And yeah, the development is going REALLY slow and will likely remain so, even with the generous help of the guys that are making moves on this phone now.
If I had the choice again, I wouldn't. I will never again purchase a phone that isn't already supported by some AOSP style ROM. I thought root was enough and I'd get by with it, but I was wrong.
But that's just me.
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If you've only ever used a AOSP style CM capable device (like me) you may regret going to something that only runs TouchWiz. Sure, you can change the launcher, uninstall swype and install the better version, and root it to uninstall a bunch of apps you don't want/need... but there are other things you can't change.
The lock screen, phone call screen(s) and some other things are remarkably slow and unresponsive, and is this ridiculous attempt to bring ICS looks and features to a poor gingerbread implementation. I don't understand how a company can make a phone with dual 1.5Ghz cores perform some things so slowly when my 1Ghz MT4G was responsive as hell. The phone feels "nicer" in the hand than some other samsungs I've held but that's about all it has going for it. Oh, and it supports T-Mobile's WiFi calling.
And yeah, the development is going REALLY slow and will likely remain so, even with the generous help of the guys that are making moves on this phone now.
If I had the choice again, I wouldn't. I will never again purchase a phone that isn't already supported by some AOSP style ROM. I thought root was enough and I'd get by with it, but I was wrong.
But that's just me.
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Well then, wasn't exactly expecting to hear that on this of all boards - it's definitely good to hear, though, as I didn't realize how serious reviews were about the device being bloated like that.
My only other choice I'd be remotely interested in would be the HTC Amaze, and not that I don't like HTC, but I've read the battery life isn't the best, and there's issues like backlight bleeding and whatnot. I guess I'll just wait to get the GS3 and hope there aren't any major issues.
Yeah, sorry
For the price, if the community were more active, I'd say it's a great deal. But if it isn't active now, the sad truth is that it won't get more active down the road. And I wouldn't wait for the likes of me to actually succeed in getting CM9 running on this thing...
As a comparison, the HTC One S has been around half as long and has like 10x the interest and activity. Just walk around their XDA Android Dev subforums and you'll see what I mean. Mind you, the 1S has the same CPU, memory, and other misc. features. The storage and battery are fixed, but that's the only downside. It's got a slimmer package and more accessories available. The blaze is dead in comparison.
TouchWiz just irritates me, but I make do with the phone, and maybe I'm being picky. Ask if you can test drive the thing... insert your sim and make/answer some calls... do some basic things and just know that's pretty much how the device will always be. If you could live with that, then so be it.
For a T-Mobile compatible phone, I'd just get a new Galaxy Nexus, or a 1S. The Galaxy Nexus will be the first to run Jelly Bean, and you'll also have support for a fairly long time from the likes of the CM team and AOKP, et al. It has some great features too. Just food for though
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Yeah, sorry
For the price, if the community were more active, I'd say it's a great deal. But if it isn't active now, the sad truth is that it won't get more active down the road. And I wouldn't wait for the likes of me to actually succeed in getting CM9 running on this thing...
As a comparison, the HTC One S has been around half as long and has like 10x the interest and activity. Just walk around their XDA Android Dev subforums and you'll see what I mean. Mind you, the 1S has the same CPU, memory, and other misc. features. The storage and battery are fixed, but that's the only downside. It's got a slimmer package and more accessories available. The blaze is dead in comparison.
TouchWiz just irritates me, but I make do with the phone, and maybe I'm being picky. Ask if you can test drive the thing... insert your sim and make/answer some calls... do some basic things and just know that's pretty much how the device will always be. If you could live with that, then so be it.
For a T-Mobile compatible phone, I'd just get a new Galaxy Nexus, or a 1S. The Galaxy Nexus will be the first to run Jelly Bean, and you'll also have support for a fairly long time from the likes of the CM team and AOKP, et al. It has some great features too. Just food for though
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I guess I'll try and look into the Blaze in person more before I totally dismiss it, then. After hearing numerous issues with the 1S (between random reboots, screens failing, really hot temperatures, data/service issues, and even stuff as weird as the capacitive buttons being completely unresponsive - all reasons people have returned it, according to a friend at T-Mobile), I'm staying away from it, at least for the moment; I like everything else about the phone, however, and don't care about lack of expandable storage or removable battery. Not a fan of the lack official accessories (and accessory choice in general), however, compared to most Samsung phones.
And nothing against the Nexus but...it just doesn't appeal to me. I can understand any of the numerous reasons to go for one, but it just doesn't stand out to me in any way; I'd much sooner get the Galaxy S 3 for the better specs and camera alone.
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I guess I'll try and look into the Blaze in person more before I totally dismiss it, then. After hearing numerous issues with the 1S (between random reboots, screens failing, really hot temperatures, data/service issues, and even stuff as weird as the capacitive buttons being completely unresponsive - all reasons people have returned it, according to a friend at T-Mobile), I'm staying away from it, at least for the moment; I like everything else about the phone, however, and don't care about lack of expandable storage or removable battery. Not a fan of the lack official accessories (and accessory choice in general), however, compared to most Samsung phones.
And nothing against the Nexus but...it just doesn't appeal to me. I can understand any of the numerous reasons to go for one, but it just doesn't stand out to me in any way; I'd much sooner get the Galaxy S 3 for the better specs and camera alone.
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I believe the Nexus also has various issues. I honestly don't understand where are all the pessimism is coming from. We are getting the official ICS update, so CM9 is likely to get to us. We are also funding a developer to help him buy a Blaze and improve his ROM. I'll admit the development is slow, but that's to be expected for a carrier specific device that got no advertising. Descent due development will come in time I think.
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If you've only ever used a AOSP style CM capable device (like me) you may regret going to something that only runs TouchWiz. Sure, you can change the launcher, uninstall swype and install the better version, and root it to uninstall a bunch of apps you don't want/need... but there are other things you can't change.
The lock screen, phone call screen(s) and some other things are remarkably slow and unresponsive, and is this ridiculous attempt to bring ICS looks and features to a poor gingerbread implementation. I don't understand how a company can make a phone with dual 1.5Ghz cores perform some things so slowly when my 1Ghz MT4G was responsive as hell. The phone feels "nicer" in the hand than some other samsungs I've held but that's about all it has going for it. Oh, and it supports T-Mobile's WiFi calling.
And yeah, the development is going REALLY slow and will likely remain so, even with the generous help of the guys that are making moves on this phone now.
If I had the choice again, I wouldn't. I will never again purchase a phone that isn't already supported by some AOSP style ROM. I thought root was enough and I'd get by with it, but I was wrong.
But that's just me.
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That's funny, but that's exactly how I feel about my Blaze. I thought rooting it to get rid of all the bloat would be enough, but I want more, and there just isn't more out there, despite the efforts of our lovable and hard working dev's. And you're right - the call screen sometimes just isn't responsive at all and I wind up being unable to answer calls, especially if it's coming from an app I'm already running, such as a game. So from now on I'm coming to XDA and doing developmental research before getting a phone. Right now I'm leaning towards a Galaxy S2 (even though the S3 is a faster phone and all - it just does not feel right IMO).
While the lack of development is discouraging to "early" adopters, I really love the form factor (can't stand the 4.3" screens or bigger) and the build quality is surprisingly nice.
Having used CM before on another device, it is weird not having it on here. The lack of customizability is a bit frustrating. But I'm patient. I really think the price point, performance potential, and friendly size will make this a winner once ICS and the appropriate sources/information are released.
So I got a chance to play with one a little bit (basically brand-new, just factory reset)...I'm not seeing the sluggishness/delay you guys are talking about, particularly with the phone calls (receiving or placing). Maybe I'm just used to the delay/sluggishness on my G2 that I don't notice it, but I'd imagine removing all that bloat (and removing stuff like built-in ringtones) would help a decent amount...
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So I got a chance to play with one a little bit (basically brand-new, just factory reset)...I'm not seeing the sluggishness/delay you guys are talking about, particularly with the phone calls (receiving or placing). Maybe I'm just used to the delay/sluggishness on my G2 that I don't notice it, but I'd imagine removing all that bloat (and removing stuff like built-in ringtones) would help a decent amount...
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Yeah, I have none of the sluggishness issues either. Stock may be bloated but its pretty damn snappy. I've used a MT4G with CM7 and my Blaze is much more responsive overall, it even handles flash without breaking a sweat.
I'm really happy with this phone despite not having much rom support. Coming from a defy there are two things that I don't miss: battery pulls and random reboots. Never happens on this device. For me that makes it worth giving up AOSP...at least for now.
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Just out of curiosity - I've heard that internally there are many similarities between a Blaze and a Galaxy S2. Has anyone ever tried throwing an S2 ROM on their Blaze and, if so, what were the results? Just curious.
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Just out of curiosity - I've heard that internally there are many similarities between a Blaze and a Galaxy S2. Has anyone ever tried throwing an S2 ROM on their Blaze and, if so, what were the results? Just curious.
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they are similars but don't recommend something like that iif you don't know what might happen. Because flashing wrong kernel/rom can brick peoples phone.
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Just out of curiosity - I've heard that internally there are many similarities between a Blaze and a Galaxy S2. Has anyone ever tried throwing an S2 ROM on their Blaze and, if so, what were the results? Just curious.
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The B4G is specifically very much like the T-Mobile GS2 (The T989). They are both based on the msm8660_surf board, with the same CPU, GPU and many of the same sensors. There are differences, specifically with the panel (display) and a few of the sensors. The differences are enough that it doesn't quite work on our device. Yeah, I've tried ;-)
What I've been doing is specifically trying to port a number of the things for our device into the ICS kernel available for the T989. My goal is to come up with a bootable ICS kernel for our device. I think that's gonna be the biggest stepping stone to a working CM9 or AOKP build for our phone.
The B4G has nothing other than specs in common with the other SGS2 phones on the market, save for maybe the AT&T SkyRocket. They all use different CPU's and GPU's on a different platform all built by Samsung... and thus different sensors.
I've had a lot of phones starting with the Nexus One (actually the Eris but I try to forget). So far the only issue I see is the ability to "crack flash". IMO sooner or later you'll have a phone that just won't have every developer swooning over it. if for no other reason than there are so many phone out there. (remember the threads when the Nexus came out?)
I bought this phone because it met all of my needs and had good specs. I had the G2x and the Sensation (sold on gave another to my son) but ths phone is better. The extra Ram is noticeable difference IMO and the size of the phone is right for me.
We could have all opted for the Galaxy SII and I'm sure everybody looked at the threads and saw what was going on so........participate........and relax a little.........the phone works very well.
Just a quick question: does someone has an idea about the dev support this tablet is going to get? I mean, it's a pretty sweet specced tablet, but it's kinda expensive and serves a niche market (artists, note taking students,...). I want to buy this thing for taking notes during lessons, but I don't like touchwiz at all, so it kinda depends on the the dev support or am i better off with a cheaper tablet and a capacitive screen stylus?
Hi.. I used a Tab 10.1 with a capacitive stylus... but even with TouchScreenTune, that's a more or less working solution.
As soon as I heard from the Note 10.1, my decision was clear that I will buy that one as soon as it is available (and I did).
The capacitive stylus requires TouchScreenTune (really worth its money for this purpose), but writing with the stylus is more or less efficient, there is no handwriting recognition and you keep the "palm on the screen" problem. The palm detection of TouchScreenTune is ok, but that's all not comparable with the S-Pen.
When inside the range of the screen, the S-Pen allows to simply disable input from the capacitive screen (which can explain some reports regarding a non-responsive table to finger input . The precision is outstanding, the tablet is fast. Compared with my Tab 10.1, it finally got the memory card slot and with the adapters, I can attach USB devices (stick, keyboard, mouse, ...).
I tried other solutions like the echo pen (paper pencil with digital recorder requiring special paper), but in the very end I searched an "all-in" solution.. documents, notes, calender, contacts, email, ... and now, I got it.
And Samsung announced during yesterdays US release that Jelly Bean will come this year.. so I am really satifisfied.
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Just a quick question: does someone has an idea about the dev support this tablet is going to get? I mean, it's a pretty sweet specced tablet, but it's kinda expensive and serves a niche market (artists, note taking students,...). I want to buy this thing for taking notes during lessons, but I don't like touchwiz at all, so it kinda depends on the the dev support or am i better off with a cheaper tablet and a capacitive screen stylus?
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Well, I can tell you that at least one Cyanogenmod maintainer (myself) is almost surely purchasing the device.
So CM should eventually come unless this device has some horrible surprise - but it seems like Samsung ditched the evil AR6K wifi chip and its closed-source driver that was in previous Exynos tablets in favor of the same BCM4334 that is in the I9300.
I was originally thinking I'd get the 32GB version, but remembered this actually has a MicroSD slot - gonna go for the 16, which is available locally so I may get it tonight.
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Well, I can tell you that at least one Cyanogenmod maintainer (myself) is almost surely purchasing the device.
So CM should eventually come unless this device has some horrible surprise - but it seems like Samsung ditched the evil AR6K wifi chip and its closed-source driver that was in previous Exynos tablets in favor of the same BCM4334 that is in the I9300.
I was originally thinking I'd get the 32GB version, but remembered this actually has a MicroSD slot - gonna go for the 16, which is available locally so I may get it tonight.
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sweet Glad to hear that. So we will be seeing JB soon
I really hope some touchwiz roms come too cause I want all the apps to work right
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sweet Glad to hear that. So we will be seeing JB soon
I really hope some touchwiz roms come too cause I want all the apps to work right
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I'm probably going to do a minor Touchwiz kernel initially just for slight tweaks and also to ensure that I know how to properly build a kernel - but don't expect it to be incredibly fancy. Just basic small tweaks (Possibly including TriangleAway support) and compiled from source, before moving on to CM bringup.
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I'm probably going to do a minor Touchwiz kernel initially just for slight tweaks and also to ensure that I know how to properly build a kernel - but don't expect it to be incredibly fancy. Just basic small tweaks (Possibly including TriangleAway support) and compiled from source, before moving on to CM bringup.
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As long as its pre-rooted I don't need anything fancy I am so glad we have an elite recognized developer getting one
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Wow, it's really good to see you here Entropy !!!
Really enjoyed your work with the Infuse 4G.
I'm using the i717 Note now (love it) and my good ol' 7" Tab is quickly becoming a piece of crap.
My GT-N8013 shall arrive tomorrow!
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Just a quick question: does someone has an idea about the dev support this tablet is going to get? I mean, it's a pretty sweet specced tablet, but it's kinda expensive and serves a niche market (artists, note taking students,...). I want to buy this thing for taking notes during lessons, but I don't like touchwiz at all, so it kinda depends on the the dev support or am i better off with a cheaper tablet and a capacitive screen stylus?
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First off. There were programs developed for the Thinkpad tablet that may require little or no porting.
Second off. If the Note 10.1 sells well, as well as the Note selling well, developers will come to it.
Third. The Note is not likely to be the last tablet with a active pen. Shoot they are even selling one for the iPad now ( MyNote ) and a kickstarter starter project ( iPen ).. So I think pens will be popular enough.
Yes yes the great and wonderful Steve Jobs said "who needs a stylus". If he ever had a real job instead of stealing from Woz and telling others what to do he would know who needs a stylus, and don't forget Jobs is the guy who once said "who needs a hard drive". The Mac took off, but soon started crashing partially because you copuldn't add a hard drive without voiding the warrantee. When Sculley wanted to modify the Mas so you could add a hard drive, and other things via SCSI a great war ensued and Jobs was booted. Think about this if Jobs had stayed and the Mac never got a hard drive, would Apple still be around to make the iPod?
The sector of the public that want's a tablet with a pen maybe a miche but it is a very large niche. It doesn't include just artists and note taking students ( and students is a fairly large niche ). It includes: note taking lawyers, graphical designers of all types, editors, note taking lawyers, note taking engineers, note taking middle level bsiness men etc. This is a niche that is far from small.
So yeah I think there will be plenty of developers around.
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Well, I can tell you that at least one Cyanogenmod maintainer (myself) is almost surely purchasing the device.
So CM should eventually come unless this device has some horrible surprise - but it seems like Samsung ditched the evil AR6K wifi chip and its closed-source driver that was in previous Exynos tablets in favor of the same BCM4334 that is in the I9300.
I was originally thinking I'd get the 32GB version, but remembered this actually has a MicroSD slot - gonna go for the 16, which is available locally so I may get it tonight.
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fantastic to see you here. Can't wait for your kernel. It's a fantastic device. I've been using it all day to take handwritten notes. Will cyanogenmod support the s pen
Initial feeling is that this tablet could use a Cyanogenmod blessing since it's equipped with 2GB DRAM but the bloat takes up 600-700MB on the display unit I looked at.
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fantastic to see you here. Can't wait for your kernel. It's a fantastic device. I've been using it all day to take handwritten notes. Will cyanogenmod support the s pen
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Right now, on the N7000, CM supports any app that uses the ICS pen APIs. There's some work to try and get one of the opensource pen apps (Such as Memo by ng93) included by default, but that's taking a while because we're all busy with JB device bringups at the moment. N80xx pen support should be equivalent to N7000 - On N7000, it was a matter of building the pen driver in the kernel and all of the ICS pen stuff immediately started working.
There's a patch in review for pen gesture support, but it needs to be forward-ported to JB and cleaned up.
S-Pen SDK apps will be a different story - that's a proprietary API which will not be supported by CM. Not sure if PS Touch supports the "vanilla" pen APIs.
Thanks for the clarification! Do you have any idea whether the S Pen SDK is better performing or otherwise superior compared to the ICS pen API? Looking at the documentation it seems like ICS should support all general pen functionality including buttons and pen position/tilt but maybe not the eraser (if this has an eraser?). Performance should just be a function of the driver, and not the API since input events should be going through the same system anyway.
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This is my dream. Galaxy Note III or Note II with Google quick updates, like Nexus devices. Maybe some kind of petition to Samsung or Google will contribute for this?
Galaxy S4 Google Edition:
http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/samsung-galaxy-s4-google/4505-6452_7-35761621.html
I can barely see this making sense on the S4, but I really don't think it'd make sense with the Galaxy Note series. If you strip away Touchwiz, you're left with a big screen, powerful hardware, and a S-pen that would have absolutely zero integration with the OS. I love stock Android, but being the Note is heavily centered around the S-pen, and S-pen is so deeply entrenched in Touchwiz, this is one case where I think I'd rather have Touchwiz.
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I can barely see this making sense on the S4, but I really don't think it'd make sense with the Galaxy Note series. If you strip away Touchwiz, you're left with a big screen, powerful hardware, and a S-pen that would have absolutely zero integration with the OS. I love stock Android, but being the Note is heavily centered around the S-pen, and S-pen is so deeply entrenched in Touchwiz, this is one case where I think I'd rather have Touchwiz.
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One of the reason I use Note series devices is S Pen. It perfectly and 100% works with CyanogenMod ROMs, why this will not work with official Google ROM??? For now I'm not using any of Samsung apps, and I find that Quill is perfect replacement for S Note. And there are many cool apps for just drawing like Drawing Pad, Doodledroid, AirBrush and others. Also Handrite is nice app. Besides Android 4.x and above have full support for wacom pen.
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One of the reason I use Note series devices is S Pen. It perfectly and 100% works with CyanogenMod ROMs, why this will not work with official Google ROM??? For now I'm not using any of Samsung apps, and I find that Quill is perfect replacement for S Note. And there are many cool apps for just drawing like Drawing Pad, Doodledroid, AirBrush and others. Besides Android 4.x and above have full support for wacom pen.
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Because SPen is native in touchwiz framework.. Not just in 3rd party spps that support a stylus. In TW it works in any browser on the keyboard in any app and the button can be set for lots of thing. Note with out at least option for TW is dumb. Any I have never used my note for "art".
How many ROMs have you actually used?
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Because SPen is native in touchwiz framework.. Not just in 3rd party spps that support a stylus. In TW it works in any browser on the keyboard in any app and the button can be set for lots of thing. Note with out at least option for TW is dumb. Any I have never used my note for "art".
How many ROMs have you actually used?
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Android itself support wacom stylus actions. It will fully work at clean Android as well as TW.
I used many different ROMs at Note and Note 2. CM\Paranoid\TW stock and custom and many others. My current ROM is in my signature.
Not really interested in AOSP ROM on Note devices - that's a downgrade as far as I'm concerned. For full functionality, it's de-bloated touchwiz based ROMs for me.
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Not really interested in AOSP ROM on Note devices - that's a downgrade as far as I'm concerned. For full functionality, it's de-bloated touchwiz based ROMs for me.
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There are AOSP ROMS which do have S-Pen functionality. Try those. Eg. Liquid Smooth 2.4
I would better buying a nexus series phone rather than ruining my note 2 or 3. The samsung phones looks best with samsung adons. I used to hate touchwiz and only started using it since note 2 because of integrated features. So I will never have auch wish.
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There are AOSP ROMS which do have S-Pen functionality. Try those. Eg. Liquid Smooth 2.4
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Do you, or anyone else, know if it's possible to get stock camera functions (like recording in high speed and slowmotion) in aosp-based roms?
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There are AOSP ROMS which do have S-Pen functionality. Try those. Eg. Liquid Smooth 2.4
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Yeah not exactly. Those that are dependent on touchwiz framework (eg. screenshot, airview) are not available on any AOSP ROM. S Pen is functional on most ROMs, AOSP or otherwise, that's besides the point - hence the "full functionality" part.
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Yeah not exactly. Those that are dependent on touchwiz framework (eg. screenshot, airview) are not available on any AOSP ROM. S Pen is functional on most ROMs, AOSP or otherwise, that's besides the point - hence the "full functionality" part.
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True but now with the S4 around we could say it more a Touchwiz feature than a S Pen feature, things like pressure sensitivity work well with apps that offer compatibility. To be fair, would still use a custom rom, even when it ships with stock hehe. So yeah, can do that now already.
What would be great are the revealed sources of some prop hardware modules.
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This is my dream. Galaxy Note III or Note II with Google quick updates, like Nexus devices. Maybe some kind of petition to Samsung or Google will contribute for this?
Galaxy S4 Google Edition:
http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/samsung-galaxy-s4-google/4505-6452_7-35761621.html
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I do hope that they will put out a "Google Edition" too but I will most definitely NOT buy it.
I DO like VERY MUCH Samsung added mods, apps, services, widgets, settings and personalizations (minus the launcher which I replace with Nova Launcher Prime).
I deactivate, of course, the few things which I don't use so they don't affect me in the slightest. I would have to do the same even on a "stock Android" for a few things anyway, so no gain/loss here.
The reason I want a Note III "Google Edition" to exist is very simple: if I keep a Note III for longer than it gets official Samsung updates and a major new version of Android with killer features comes out I can always flash the stock Android ROM! :victory:
Or, for example, it could still be getting updates but not for the new Android versions. It has happened with my old Galaxy S: in the end it was still being updated (heck, it is STILL getting new ROMs!!) but it never got ICS, the new ROMs are still GB based.
So both things may in fact happen. I kept my OG Note for 15 months, for example, which is a not so short time in the smartphone and mobile operating systems world...
Fine, a Note 3 Google edition.
Better even (for me) a 5,9 inch superfast phone without pen and gimmicks.
First thing I do is install Nova so I can reach all my apps from the homepage and disable as much unwanted / unneeded stuff as I can. (My S2 looks the same as my Note 2 now) and use (g) mail, g calendar, news apps, browser(s) nav progs, FB, and some utils.
But I am not a S penner.
I just have the note for size and speed. No pen or touchwiz needed.
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Omg shut up samsung, take my money and give me note3 nexus edition & it would be nice if its golden and active edition. Ill jiust wait for this every year now and then
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That idea of having a Google Edition I see as a downgrade compared to TW with Spen embedded in functionality almost everywhere, I just love the Spen, and make such an extensive use as I find it impossible now to do without it. As for a bigger screen, if they could manage to fit a bigger one on an size identical as GN2 that might be very tempting, if they decide to manage extra battery with a thinner body they already have my money, otherwise even if gn3 would be around by the time my gn2 will get broken, bcs it will, I would be buying again a gn2 if Samsung updates would continue.
Oh, I forgot, a plastic unbreakable screen, please that is just bs, unless the battery is flexible, the motherboard, etc etc, but who in their right mind would want to sell an indestructible device. Octa core, dodeca core, 24 core, lol, that is all bs to me, a Google edition 64 bit I would consider a real upgrade. But that might be some years away, maybe when GN5 would be around.
Peace.
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I would buy a N3 Google Edition as soon as I possibly could. I love the options and no nonsense approach that AOSP has. Over the last couple versions, Nexus devices have always been a step down in the hardware compared to other Android devices.
OP I think you're missing the point. A Honda Accord can drive on dirt roads but doing so won't let you experience all the car has to offer. Yes, the SPen WILL work perfectly fine with out TW but not having TW will cause a loss of functionality, period.
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OP I think you're missing the point. A Honda Accord can drive on dirt roads but doing so won't let you experience all the car has to offer. Yes, the SPen WILL work perfectly fine with out TW but not having TW will cause a loss of functionality, period.
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TouchWiz is a loss of functionality, speed and stability of normal Android ROM. There is no problem to port all S Pen features to clean Android ROM from Google.
The only reason I've not migrated to other custom ROMs is beacuse of the Spen integration in Touchwiz. I really dont like TouchWiz but i do use it.
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TouchWiz is a loss of functionality, speed and stability of normal Android ROM. There is no problem to port all S Pen features to clean Android ROM from Google.
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What functionality are you referring to exactly, that Touchwiz lacks and AOSP has? I have had next to no lags on most Touchwiz ROMs - and they're stable too. Obviously stock, unrooted is a touch laggy (i.e. notification lag, but that's it), but it's no issue once you switch to a good touchwiz based ROM.
Let me start off by saying that I am not trying to troll at all I am just generally curious. I for one have had a galaxy nexus, and I loved it (minus the battery life) and also been through a galaxy s 3 and 4. Off the bat the 3 and 4 both have a butt load of features that I always missed when I would flash stock android roms and it always seemed like the camera software was far better than anything a stock android device can get. I do get that stock android devices get updates directly from google and I also get that the skins take up a lot more space but besides those reasons is that alone what makes stock android far better than anything else? I hear people complain about the tw skins or sense skins about how it looks so ugly but isnt a simple fix for this is to just add another launcher like apex? Anyways this is just my personal opinion on the matter and I just wanted to see other peoples inputs. Like I said im not trolling but I just want to see what everyone else thinks.
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Let me start off by saying that I am not trying to troll at all I am just generally curious. I for one have had a galaxy nexus, and I loved it (minus the battery life) and also been through a galaxy s 3 and 4. Off the bat the 3 and 4 both have a butt load of features that I always missed when I would flash stock android roms and it always seemed like the camera software was far better than anything a stock android device can get. I do get that stock android devices get updates directly from google and I also get that the skins take up a lot more space but besides those reasons is that alone what makes stock android far better than anything else? I hear people complain about the tw skins or sense skins about how it looks so ugly but isnt a simple fix for this is to just add another launcher like apex? Anyways this is just my personal opinion on the matter and I just wanted to see other peoples inputs. Like I said im not trolling but I just want to see what everyone else thinks.
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It's a combination of factors, IMO. There are some folks who are Android "purists" who like the hardware, but want just the stock version of Android better than anything an OEM adds onto it. Kind of like stripping down a car to keep the engine and the body shape, but tuning it to run the way you like it. Most of the people here at least want to have the ability to remove any apps or parts of the "skin" (like Touchwiz) that they don't want or use and want them gone so that they're not taking up system resources. On the SGS4, for instance, there's been allot of blow back at Samsung because they've crammed so much software for their bells and whistles that the 16GB model has almost half it's system memory (the area where applications, games, Google Play Music or movies, etc.... have to reside) that there's hardly any room to include a new launcher and most of the Apps you might want to run. The expandable storage is nice for pictures, videos, or MP3s you already own and want to store, but it's not usable by applications.
In short, if it's my phone I want total control over what is and what isn't on it no matter what Samsung and AT&T want to cram down my throat. Samsung's Camera software is something I'd probably like to keep, but the silly air gestures and "touchless scrolling" I could care less about. Not to mention the load of programs AT&T also drops on there which I never use and am perfectly happy to see gone also.
If you're happy with your phone the way you currently have it, then no one else's opinion should matter as to how you should have it set up. But there's a wide variety of what people do and don't want on their phones and if they want Vanilla AOSP or CM or modified Touchwiz and they're willing to trade off some Stock features to get what they want, this is one of the places people come to do that. As long as someone accepts the responsibility that they may brick their phone and void the warranty by playing with the software, then they should have the freedom to do whatever they want with it.
As of today, is it possible to install stock Android on the current Samsun Galaxy S4 (mine is from Canada Fido).
Funny thing is, I wish google didn't install their bloat onto the gs4. If there's already a stock music app why preinstall google music. Same with all their other bloat. Not needed like chrome. They should of made google software optional. Keep samsungs in since it is their product.
I honestly think that stock Android is pretty overrated. I've had the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 4 and they were both pretty terrible. What makes Android so awesome are the different tweaks and software that the makers use. Sure, the simplicity of stock is fine, but that's about it. For example, the TW SG4 will have IR support, a better camera app, etc. You loose a lot of functionality with going stock.
What I really want to see is some fusion rom with the stock Android mixed with all the TW goodies, like the gestures, camera app, etc.
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Funny thing is, I wish google didn't install their bloat onto the gs4. If there's already a stock music app why preinstall google music. Same with all their other bloat. Not needed like chrome. They should of made google software optional. Keep samsungs in since it is their product.
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Because, manufaturers have to keep a crlertain amount of stock android included in their phones...as in a certain percentage of software with no touchwiz...so that is likely why they left some of the stock google apps in
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j510 said:
Funny thing is, I wish google didn't install their bloat onto the gs4. If there's already a stock music app why preinstall google music. Same with all their other bloat. Not needed like chrome. They should of made google software optional. Keep samsungs in since it is their product.
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The hardware might be Samsung's product, but Android is Google's product.
Manufacturers don't have to keep anything. They use stock android as the basis. The pieces you mention like ir blaster use drivers outside of stock android. If devs had these drivers then we would have stock android with goodies. Stock is good because source code is available for all of it. That means it can be heavily customized. Touch wiz is Samsung's and they will not release the source.
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First off, it is all preference--no phone, OS is perfect for everyone.
I have been flashing roms heavily for over 3 years. Mostly HTC like the Nexus One and One S.
I found things I liked in both Sense and AOSP. I did like theming status bar items, color, look etc. Most of the flashing was to get newer versions of Sense and Android. I was running 4.2.2 on One S long before it was on hardly any phones.
It did seem no matter what custom rom you ran, you lost something you liked from another one. There were always minor issues with wifi, audio, reboots etc for many people. Some roms just didn't play well with some phones. So, lots of soft bricks and frustration. I was lucky there.
This is the first phone I have owned that I have no interest in flashing custom roms. I can't believe i even like and don't want to change the wallpaper. I usually always made my own semi-gloss black. But, the colors are so vibrant and icons stand out extremely well on S4. Would like to get rid of balloon on lockscreen. But, no one stares at their lockscreen.
With all the trolls and nay-sayers on the forum, both mine and my son's S4's run perfect. No lags and all the "gimicks" work as advertised. I find myself using them more and more. Wouldn't want to give them up now. S-Voice is perfect and Air View I really like. Don't use the scroll though. S-Memo is an essential for me now. A carry over from Note 2. I even like the stock calendar which I hated when just testing the Note 1 and 2 awhile back. Love being able to create and move calendar events by voice. Don't use GMail calendar anymore other than my work one is tied to it. Camera is great too.
I could see rooting for Nandroids and Titanium though.
This is a great phone regardless of what others say. But, each to there own--
Oh yeah--love Blocking Mode--an imitation of Quiet Hours on Android--couldn't live without it
And I don't know about Touch Whiz. But, whatever it is suppose to be it works great on S4
The "quirky" Air Gestures work fine too. Palm for Screenshots is a little tough to work out though
There is so much on this phone it will take me 6 months to learn and remember to use all of it--
Every time there's a new nexus coming out I have to get it. I enjoy it for about a month then it bores me to death and I go back to a Samsung, HTC or LG phone. I much prefer the UI overlays over stock. Not that stock is bad or anything, it runs super smooth but it is just boring. Hopefully KLP will bring some visual changes as well.
It's like driving a Chevelle Super Sport (SS) 454, which I did. Compared to a 2013 fully technical (GPS/Audio etc) loaded Mercedes or equivalent. The Chevelle had all the power you could ever want. But, in the end that is all it had. Now you have all the bells and whistles on these cars like the S4 has fun features.
I came from the Galaxy Nexus to the GS4 1337.
What I hate the most is the duplication of functions! That drives me insane. Google already has a contacts app, so why do I need a fugly AT&T contacts app? Why do I need a AT&T navigation app AND GMaps? Why do I need a Google calendar, AT&T calendar, Samsung calendar all on the same phone?? Just setting up the phone from scratch infuriates me... skip skip skip skip skip skip skip skip
and my favorite... TWO APP STORES! That was jaw dropping. It's a constant assault to your intelligence trying to automate everything in the worst way possible. It's like Samsung apps are at war with Google Apps and everyone is at war with AT&T apps.
The very first possible second I could load CM10.1 on this phone, I did.
While I was waiting on the unlocked bootloader, I did play around with the S Health, WatchON, and the camera/video, and I did enjoy them and miss them from my CM 10.1 experience, but even that couldn't make up for the garbage installed on this phone from the factory.
it's funny on everyone's experience. i found no problem setting my homescreens up and just ignored apps i didn't want. at this point don't even know they are in app drawer.
I bought Nexus 4 after already had Galaxy s3 for a while. Even though Nexus 4 is fantastic device, I thought its too vanilla for me. Even though compared to S3, there was not much feature differences. I don't think I will ever get Pure Nexus phone again..may be tablet will be fine. The other thing is I sometimes get into a phase where I want to use AOSP rom so I flash CM10.1 or AOKP. But as soon i get bored back to TW rom. Can't do that with Nexus devices...
The only thing i want from Stock is the AOSP messaging app. The quick reply from the notification drop down and pop up is awesome.
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I came from the Galaxy Nexus to the GS4 1337.
What I hate the most is the duplication of functions! That drives me insane. Google already has a contacts app, so why do I need a fugly AT&T contacts app? Why do I need a AT&T navigation app AND GMaps? Why do I need a Google calendar, AT&T calendar, Samsung calendar all on the same phone?? Just setting up the phone from scratch infuriates me... skip skip skip skip skip skip skip skip
and my favorite... TWO APP STORES! That was jaw dropping. It's a constant assault to your intelligence trying to automate everything in the worst way possible. It's like Samsung apps are at war with Google Apps and everyone is at war with AT&T apps.
The very first possible second I could load CM10.1 on this phone, I did.
While I was waiting on the unlocked bootloader, I did play around with the S Health, WatchON, and the camera/video, and I did enjoy them and miss them from my CM 10.1 experience, but even that couldn't make up for the garbage installed on this phone from the factory.
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God forbid they give you a choice of which app to use. Having a choice is one of the main factors that make people choose android over ios.
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God forbid they give you a choice of which app to use. Having a choice is one of the main factors that make people choose android over ios.
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Agreed, but not allowing the complete uninstall of a duplicated app goes against the fundamental philosophies of android.
This goes for both Google, Apple, Windows or any other OS. What I want is the most basic OS possible and add apps as I see fit from the app store. I do not want anything forced on my device. The closest you can get to that nirvana is an AOSP ROM or Nexus.
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Pure Android will mainly attract the developers as it is a great base to work from. Most average people will chose Sense or TW or any of the other Android distros (as that is more correct them calling them skins) due to the features. Most of those features can't be utilized by Devs unless they pay for the SDK like Samsung is doing now with them for the sensors in the S4. Only big companies are gonna be able to afford to pay what Samsung wants for the SDK to develop with.
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On the SGS4, for instance, there's been allot of blow back at Samsung because they've crammed so much software for their bells and whistles that the 16GB model has almost half it's system memory (the area where applications, games, Google Play Music or movies, etc.... have to reside) that there's hardly any room to include a new launcher and most of the Apps you might want to run.
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This is a gross overexaggeration of the storage situation on the SGS4.
The only way I can think of that you can fill the ~9.7gb of internal storage with app data is if you're downloading every high resolution, high graphic intensive game available for the platform. If that's your case, then you're absolutely right. While admittedly not a high number, I have over 68 apps(most of which I use on a near daily basis) installed on my phone with the highest occupying 64.93mb. Most apps range from 10-30mb. At 64.93mb, I can have ~152.97 of those sized apps on my phone before running into storage capacity issues.
I like the rest of your post though.
One of the reasons I got the S4 and gave my iPhone 5 to the wife was mostly the software features Samsung added. I really do like the voice control for the camera and music apps, and I find some of the air gestures pretty good too. Going with a "Nexus" experience S4, I'd lose the very features I got the phone for.
zelendel said:
Pure Android will mainly attract the developers as it is a great base to work from. Most average people will chose Sense or TW or any of the other Android distros (as that is more correct them calling them skins) due to the features. Most of those features can't be utilized by Devs unless they pay for the SDK like Samsung is doing now with them for the sensors in the S4. Only big companies are gonna be able to afford to pay what Samsung wants for the SDK to develop with.
Wayne Tech Nexus
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wow.... there is a name I haven't seen for a long time... Did you get get an S4?