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[Q] Lollipop ROM without Root?

Hi All,
I am looking for a Lollipop ROM that doesn't come pre rooted due to some of the Apps that I use and the PITA with the way they check for roots, so root hiders don't work for them. Anyone know if such a ROM exists. From what I can see they all look like they come pre rooted.
Edit: Oh yeah, and I am look for an AOSP rom.
Cheers

leaskovski said:
Hi All,
I am looking for a Lollipop ROM that doesn't come pre rooted due to some of the Apps that I use and the PITA with the way they check for roots, so root hiders don't work for them. Anyone know if such a ROM exists. From what I can see they all look like they come pre rooted.
Edit: Oh yeah, and I am look for an AOSP rom.
Cheers
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I guess most of the roms are prerooted because (most) people who flash custom roms are using apps that need/use root privileges (e.g. titanium backup or xposed framework + modules). So if the roms are prerooted there is no need to root it manually every time after flashing a new rom. Or in other words prerooted roms mean a reduction of steps/time needed to setup a new rom. And that's probably the reason you won't find any custom rom that isn't prerooted.
But as far as I know root privileges only exist as long as you have installed root apps like SuperSU or SuperUser. Therefore I would suggest you to try uninstalling whatever root app is used by your prefered rom. Since I never faced a problem like yours I can't garantee for anything and it's always recommendable to prepare a backup before you start "messing around".

Did you try to just disable it ?
First you enable the Developer options (Settings -> About phone -> click several times on Build number)
you go in Developer options and it's one of the first options, it's called Root access, by default, it's set to Apps only, you set it to Disabled and no apps will have root access.
Let me know if it's working that way.

Critical Ops not working on custom roms.

Please read the following para for the back story and details, if you're not interested, just scroll down to the questions..
So i've been having this annoying problem with Critical Ops, the famous fps game on Android. The thing is, the game has some kind of security that makes sure that the device it's running on is not rooted and similarly that it has a stock OS(does not run on custom OS even if you hide/disable root access).
I had installed Dr. Ketan's rom ported off of Galaxy Note 7 for note 4T and then by using parallel space to hide root access used to play the game. Then i decided to switch to lineage OS. Now although this rom has an in built option to disable root access from the developers options, critical ops still won't run. Even using parallel space is no help anymore.
I am no developer but this is my take on this situation. Critical Ops has some kind of safety measure to prevent it from running on rotted and devices that are running anything but stuck roms, alike.
Critical ops was running on Dr. Ketan's rom because it is a port and based on Sammy's touchwiz, i hid the root and it was good to go.
On lineage OS though the root can be hidden easily but the rom is custom so my question is..
Is there a way to hide from an app, or all apps for that matter, which OS you are running??
OR
Is there a way of fooling an app or apps into believing that you are running a stock rom while in reality you are using a custom rom??
What i believe in my case is that if i can somehow trick the app into thinking that i have a stock rom, it should run.
Hope i was clear enough.

Could you help me with a question about ROM?

Hello!
I have a question about ROM, is there any that is without the unnecessary applications of Samsung, Google etc, example: Samsung Members, Samsung Connect, VR Gear, Samsung Health etc, a clean but non-root rom, why use bank applications and cards.
Sorry for the question, I always used cell phones with root, but I did not use banking applications. Is there a solution?

The touchwiz based ROMs like SuperMan let you choose what Samsung apps and Google apps to install during the flash process, so you can just untick the ones you don't want. There's also a debloat script floating around somewhere which removes unnecessary apps.
You can also use root, and a ROM with Magisk which hides root and passes safetynet so long as you don't use Xposed. That'll let you use bank apps.

Beanvee7 said:
The touchwiz based ROMs like SuperMan let you choose what Samsung apps and Google apps to install during the flash process, so you can just untick the ones you don't want. There's also a debloat script floating around somewhere which removes unnecessary apps.
You can also use root, and a ROM with Magisk which hides root and passes safetynet so long as you don't use Xposed. That'll let you use bank apps.
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Thanks for the answer, I was an old user of my old and good Xperia Z2, rooted but now with the S7 I'm lost, I just wanted to have a way to not have unnecessary applications.
I'm finally not needing something that needs root, just like it used to.

Why should i root/flash rom on my already OnePlus 6?

Hey folks,
Firstly my question is not from noob point of view but right now I'm sensing there is no great reason to flash custom rom or root. Am i wrong?
I know that we can get ad blocking benefits. But except that can you guys tell your reasons for going beyond the comfort of living with op6 with:
stock os
Good enough & Needed options
Updates via otas and
a complete all feature working rom.

Use block this app to block ads, this is the first phone in 9 years I have had no reason to root. Just enjoy it ?

AdAway
Firewall to restrict curious/annoying apps
Full backup via TiBackup
Automization with Tasker on Screenlock
Backup of App Data to NAS
Access to Logcat
And it's easy to keep on OTA... Apply OTA, before rebooting reinstall Magisk, reboot
So why not?
AdBlock via VPN does not help me as I use VPN permanently already and only one VPN is supported.

harigavara said:
Hey folks,
Firstly my question is not from noob point of view but right now I'm sensing there is no great reason to flash custom rom or root. Am i wrong?
I know that we can get ad blocking benefits. But except that can you guys tell your reasons for going beyond the comfort of living with op6 with:
stock os
Good enough & Needed options
Updates via otas and
a complete all feature working rom.
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The custom roms have added back a few things OP took out like always on display and better do not disturb settings.
Root and custom roms don't break OTA updates. I rooted on day 1 and I've successfully taken every OTA.
Custom kernels also add a few things that matter to some people, like Wireguard VPN integration.

For me i need root because of themes, diffrent emoji's, adblocker, doze for google play services, diffrent font and for a custom kernel so i get the most out of my device and get it to my liking.

Titanium backup.. Some good modules in Magisk,... Custom kernels.. Some reasons to root

harigavara said:
Hey folks,
Firstly my question is not from noob point of view but right now I'm sensing there is no great reason to flash custom rom or root. Am i wrong?
I know that we can get ad blocking benefits. But except that can you guys tell your reasons for going beyond the comfort of living with op6 with:
stock os
Good enough & Needed options
Updates via otas and
a complete all feature working rom.
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If you root and use a custom rom then you can make a backup and I notice a MASSIVE speed increase, I've put xxNoLimitxx on my op6 and its just not compareble to stock...soooooo faast!!
Also I haven't come across any bugs at all yet!! Also you have Viper4Android and can increase the sound dramatically which helps big time. I find it in stock alittle soft.
Trust me you'll be so flabbergasted with the speed its crazy when the op6 is rooted. I had a op5 before this for a year and didn't notice such a increase in speed. Aps are sooo quick its nutz.
Anyways tootally up to you but if you do your homework you'll be fine, For me it went super quick rooting and chucking the custom rom on, was already done in 30min after all my shizzle was move over from my op5.
Anyways goodluck with deciding whatch gonna do.

oem android os must be root that you can turn on/off in developers settings !!
Root rights is extremely important feature on my phone and I do not even need a new phone that does not have it.
For now I have to use third party mod to be able to get right rights.
Shame on Google and Oneplus for it !!

I haven't needed to put a Custom ROM on my OP5 or again with my OP6 but I have to have root and recovery. EX Kernel is a must with Blocking Wakelocks, Titanium Backup for backups and freezing apps I don't want, Magisk Modules like YouTube Vanced, AOD, eventually Google Camera, Changing system sounds, adding more fonts, and for Nova Launcher Prime to be fully working needs root for things like double tap to sleep gestures and pull down notification from anywhere on screen.
I may not really need a custom ROM these days but I want the option, but I will never buy a phone I can't get ROOT and TWRP on.

djrocks said:
Titanium backup.. Some good modules in Magisk,... Custom kernels.. Some reasons to root
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Good modules are?

Eric214 said:
I haven't needed to put a Custom ROM on my OP5 or again with my OP6 but I have to have root and recovery. EX Kernel is a must with Blocking Wakelocks, Titanium Backup for backups and freezing apps I don't want, Magisk Modules like YouTube Vanced, AOD, eventually Google Camera, Changing system sounds, adding more fonts, and for Nova Launcher Prime to be fully working needs root for things like double tap to sleep gestures and pull down notification from anywhere on screen.
I may not really need a custom ROM these days but I want the option, but I will never buy a phone I can't get ROOT and TWRP on.
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Cheers!
Returned the lg v30+for the standalone reason that i can't unlock the bootloader and root it in my entire life.

harigavara said:
Good modules are?
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Google framework if needed for Google dialer, YouTube Vanced, always on display just to name a few I'm using.
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harigavara said:
Cheers!
Returned the lg v30+for the standalone reason that i can't unlock the bootloader and root it in my entire life.
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Ha ha, amen brotha! Root is a way of life!

In my honest opinion if you need to ask users to give yourself reasons why you should root then you maybe shouldn't *I don't mean to sound sarcastic or a ***** but in this case anyway a few pointers to root would be modules with magisk for many things stock cant provide, titanium or root explorer etc for backups freezing apps and getting access to system files if need be, custom roms *as many have great mods added that stock cant do for example Reno rom has many features unique that stock and other roms can't provide*, kernels *can be tweaked to your liking and also modded for many other things to do that stock can't*, you can still get the official updates rooted so basically if they are allowing you to access it unlike many companies that don't why not take advantage?

harigavara said:
Good modules are?
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Sysconfig patcher, youtube Vanced, xxx no limits rom (which is a module), google dialer, etc

Flash twrp, magisk, a custom kernel, xposed, xposed gravitybox, YouTube Vanced and Adaway and you'll have tons of mods on the stock ROM and you won't have to flash those stock based custom Roms that will make you want to pull your hair out.

Question Experience with removing/disabling adds and bloatware

Hello, I did some research and I think this phone has the best performance in it's price class. The only thing that I'm hesitating with is all the spyware and bloatware MIUI comes with.
There are some guides on the internet that show you how to disable most adds by turning it off in the app settings
Then there are guides that use XiaomiADBFastbootTools.jar, article
Then there are the hardcore users that wait a week, root the phone and install a custom Rom.
I'm a bit concerned with option 3 regarding warranty so that why I'm looking into option 1 and 2.
My question:
What apps are safe to remove?
When the phone updates will those apps return, if so how frequent is this?
Will there still be lingering tracking software?
Any other useful information is most welcome, thank you for taking the time to read!

if you are really concern about ads, you should go with opcion 3 without root. AOSP roms (vanilla or with gapps) work are really stable right now
disabling "MSA" in miui also works great but i prefer custom rom without bloatware

d_g_m_2000 said:
if you are really concern about ads, you should go with opcion 3 without root. AOSP roms (vanilla or with gapps) work are really stable right now
disabling "MSA" in miui also works great but i prefer custom rom without bloatware
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Hi thank you for your reply, could elaborate on what you mean with option 3 without root.
And the disabling "MSA" how does this work and what is MSA, or is that in the guide that I was linking.

Immow said:
Hi thank you for your reply, could elaborate on what you mean with option 3 without root.
And the disabling "MSA" how does this work and what is MSA, or is that in the guide that I was linking.
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1- if you are really concern about xiaomi following you and your data you should unlock the bootloader, flash a custom recovery and then flash a custom rom (vanilla) with or without root privileges. it's up to you
2- MSA is an app in which xiaomi collect your data, you can use this tutorial to disable it
( https://www.xatakamovil.com/tutoria...d-moviles-xiaomi-notificaciones-anuncios-miui )
3- debloating an stock rom is the passive way to block some functions (like ads) but it's, to me, the fastest way to f*ck up your device (if you don't know what are you doing and blind trust a person that post your linked article)

Everything in the default list of Xiaomi ADBFastboot tool is safe to disable/uninstall and doesn't brick your phone. You just need to check what you really need and what not. All stuff disabled/uninstalled with the tool can be reactivated/installed again with the tool, so you don't need to worry too much about it.
I prefer a debloated MIUI over any custom rom, because everything just works and I don't do privacy related stuff (banking and such) anyways.
I really don't care whether the Chinese or the Americans collect my data. If you are looking for a completely spy free OS for your phone, then you would have to use Linux or a completely Google free custom ROM.

Unlock your bootloader first, there's a thread here just look at it
Then if you still prefer MIUI, but don't want to have ads, Root with magisk, then install a tweak to make your system RW, then install any AdBlock apps, like Adaway.
That's it
Or just install a Custom ROM, no ads, no bloatware, and faster performance.