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[Q] Lollipop ROM without Root?

Hi All,
I am looking for a Lollipop ROM that doesn't come pre rooted due to some of the Apps that I use and the PITA with the way they check for roots, so root hiders don't work for them. Anyone know if such a ROM exists. From what I can see they all look like they come pre rooted.
Edit: Oh yeah, and I am look for an AOSP rom.
Cheers

leaskovski said:
Hi All,
I am looking for a Lollipop ROM that doesn't come pre rooted due to some of the Apps that I use and the PITA with the way they check for roots, so root hiders don't work for them. Anyone know if such a ROM exists. From what I can see they all look like they come pre rooted.
Edit: Oh yeah, and I am look for an AOSP rom.
Cheers
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I guess most of the roms are prerooted because (most) people who flash custom roms are using apps that need/use root privileges (e.g. titanium backup or xposed framework + modules). So if the roms are prerooted there is no need to root it manually every time after flashing a new rom. Or in other words prerooted roms mean a reduction of steps/time needed to setup a new rom. And that's probably the reason you won't find any custom rom that isn't prerooted.
But as far as I know root privileges only exist as long as you have installed root apps like SuperSU or SuperUser. Therefore I would suggest you to try uninstalling whatever root app is used by your prefered rom. Since I never faced a problem like yours I can't garantee for anything and it's always recommendable to prepare a backup before you start "messing around".

Did you try to just disable it ?
First you enable the Developer options (Settings -> About phone -> click several times on Build number)
you go in Developer options and it's one of the first options, it's called Root access, by default, it's set to Apps only, you set it to Disabled and no apps will have root access.
Let me know if it's working that way.

Snapchat and Netflix errors

Hey everyone!
So I haven't been able to find much info in the threads about the issue with Netflix or Snapchat errors with custom ROMs yet and so that's why I'm posting here.
Snapchat won't let me log in(I've tried on other phones and prior to rooting the s8+ and they all worked)
And Netflix isn't working on any ROM other than CarHD rom which I'm not a fan of because of the status bar buttons which are a pain in the ass when it comes to bring down the notification drawer.
Does anyone have a flashable fix for either of these problems. I'm currently running the Nemesis V2 rom which is great btw

jono0402 said:
Hey everyone!
So I haven't been able to find much info in the threads about the issue with Netflix or Snapchat errors with custom ROMs yet and so that's why I'm posting here.
Snapchat won't let me log in(I've tried on other phones and prior to rooting the s8+ and they all worked)
And Netflix isn't working on any ROM other than CarHD rom which I'm not a fan of because of the status bar buttons which are a pain in the ass when it comes to bring down the notification drawer.
Does anyone have a flashable fix for either of these problems. I'm currently running the Nemesis V2 rom which is great btw
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Custom Roms normally have root do they not? Your root is being detected by these apps and is therefore blocking access. If you only have SuperSu installed or nothing at all, install Magisk v12.0 instead.
Inside Magisk you can hide your root/custom ROM from Snapchat. They normally block access to rooted phones to stop people using root apps to automatically save images without alerting the person your snappchatting (somewhat defeating the purpose of the app) etc.
For Netflix the hide method won't work. You'll need to use a root browser and delete a system file named liboemcrypto.so. Look up this file name to get its exact location. I can confirm that it worked for me and many others. Let me know if this helps you at all.

xeathpk said:
Custom Roms normally have root do they not? Your root is being detected by these apps and is therefore blocking access. If you only have SuperSu installed or nothing at all, install Magisk v12.0 instead.
Inside Magisk you can hide your root/custom ROM from Snapchat. They normally block access to rooted phones to stop people using root apps to automatically save images without alerting the person your snappchatting (somewhat defeating the purpose of the app) etc.
For Netflix the hide method won't work. You'll need to use a root browser and delete a system file named liboemcrypto.so. Look up this file name to get its exact location. I can confirm that it worked for me and many others. Let me know if this helps you at all.
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Ahh you're a legend!
I had already managed to figure out the Snapchat fix by hiding my root but I was confused why this didn't seem to work for Netflix. Deleting the liboemcrypto.so file worked a charm. Much appreciated!!

jono0402 said:
Ahh you're a legend!
I had already managed to figure out the Snapchat fix by hiding my root but I was confused why this didn't seem to work for Netflix. Deleting the liboemcrypto.so file worked a charm. Much appreciated!!
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No worries. Happy I could be of help.

How to debloat without a custom ROM?

I am new to the Pixel 3a and used to TWRP installations and custom ROMs and started to understand the special situation with pixel, root etc. I would like to keep the Pixel stock, but want to get rid of all google apps. Is there a way - without using a custom ROM (the boot.img-way) - to degoogle this phone?
Thank you in advance!

Guttergorm said:
I am new to the Pixel 3a and used to TWRP installations and custom ROMs and started to understand the special situation with pixel, root etc. I would like to keep the Pixel stock, but want to get rid of all google apps. Is there a way - without using a custom ROM (the boot.img-way) - to degoogle this phone?
Thank you in advance!
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The best way that I know to debloat with or without root is to use ADB. See the XDA tutorial here.

If you have root there's also the debloat magisk module.
For the ADB route, there's even a preset script to remove all the google from your phone.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...g/script-universal-android-debloater-t4069209

I use System App Remover myself. Through trial and error, I was able to remove about 40 different apps and programs from the factory system.
I now just use microg for a few of the things I need, and then sideload all the apps I use.
Prior to that, I used a couple of magisk modules to minimize the battery use of the google services. I also froze and disabled what I could.

Question Experience with removing/disabling adds and bloatware

Hello, I did some research and I think this phone has the best performance in it's price class. The only thing that I'm hesitating with is all the spyware and bloatware MIUI comes with.
There are some guides on the internet that show you how to disable most adds by turning it off in the app settings
Then there are guides that use XiaomiADBFastbootTools.jar, article
Then there are the hardcore users that wait a week, root the phone and install a custom Rom.
I'm a bit concerned with option 3 regarding warranty so that why I'm looking into option 1 and 2.
My question:
What apps are safe to remove?
When the phone updates will those apps return, if so how frequent is this?
Will there still be lingering tracking software?
Any other useful information is most welcome, thank you for taking the time to read!

if you are really concern about ads, you should go with opcion 3 without root. AOSP roms (vanilla or with gapps) work are really stable right now
disabling "MSA" in miui also works great but i prefer custom rom without bloatware

d_g_m_2000 said:
if you are really concern about ads, you should go with opcion 3 without root. AOSP roms (vanilla or with gapps) work are really stable right now
disabling "MSA" in miui also works great but i prefer custom rom without bloatware
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Hi thank you for your reply, could elaborate on what you mean with option 3 without root.
And the disabling "MSA" how does this work and what is MSA, or is that in the guide that I was linking.

Immow said:
Hi thank you for your reply, could elaborate on what you mean with option 3 without root.
And the disabling "MSA" how does this work and what is MSA, or is that in the guide that I was linking.
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1- if you are really concern about xiaomi following you and your data you should unlock the bootloader, flash a custom recovery and then flash a custom rom (vanilla) with or without root privileges. it's up to you
2- MSA is an app in which xiaomi collect your data, you can use this tutorial to disable it
( https://www.xatakamovil.com/tutoria...d-moviles-xiaomi-notificaciones-anuncios-miui )
3- debloating an stock rom is the passive way to block some functions (like ads) but it's, to me, the fastest way to f*ck up your device (if you don't know what are you doing and blind trust a person that post your linked article)

Everything in the default list of Xiaomi ADBFastboot tool is safe to disable/uninstall and doesn't brick your phone. You just need to check what you really need and what not. All stuff disabled/uninstalled with the tool can be reactivated/installed again with the tool, so you don't need to worry too much about it.
I prefer a debloated MIUI over any custom rom, because everything just works and I don't do privacy related stuff (banking and such) anyways.
I really don't care whether the Chinese or the Americans collect my data. If you are looking for a completely spy free OS for your phone, then you would have to use Linux or a completely Google free custom ROM.

Unlock your bootloader first, there's a thread here just look at it
Then if you still prefer MIUI, but don't want to have ads, Root with magisk, then install a tweak to make your system RW, then install any AdBlock apps, like Adaway.
That's it
Or just install a Custom ROM, no ads, no bloatware, and faster performance.

Question Starting up fresh and planned mods

Hey guys, I've posted a lot of questions in different threads throughout the P7P forum. I have bookmarked posts and threads that offered important information and instructions, but I wanted to start a thread to aggregate all the information and instructions. I am coming from a P2XL. I have titanium backup, but I've never successfully restored from it. I see a lot of discussion about swift backup on these forums now. I have already purchased titanium backup, so if I can use that to restore apps and data from my P2XL to my P7P I'd like to do that instead of buying another app.
Here's what I'd like to use:
1.) substratum for swiftblack. Can AOSP mods do this?
2.) adaway. I see some people mentioning adguard, but I don't want a subscription service.
3.) I really want something that enables sweep to sleep. I'm a big believer in saving the mechanical power button by not using it. sweep to sleep allows for this and is handier anyway.
4.) backup and restore capability whether through titanium backup or swiftbackup
5.) xprivacy lua (no experience with this, but as big tech and government spying increases I want this protection). If this functions correctly this may become one of my favorite parts about rooting.
6.) free google photos forever backup (spoof device as a pixel). which lsposed or magisk module does this?
7.) youtube revanced
8.) button mapper
9.) legacy power button options
10.) Viper4android. Someone said an app called "wavelet" is more stable and functioning. It does all the same stuff as v4a including making volume louder which is the main reason I use v4a.
11.) Perhaps above all I want complete stock functionality of my device through successful hiding of root. I need to be able to use banking apps and google pay. Will the above listed modules prevent that?
What is your experience with all of these and advice you may have for installing and maintaining them through updates? Is this list too extensive? A few years ago when I was messing around with rooting my P2XL the general guidance was to not install too many mods and apps because they begin to conflict and cause issues that lead to bootloops.
Here's the game plan for when the pixel arrives. First, is this the best spot to get the latest ADB and fastboot tools?
1.) Flash the latest OTA update from google.
2.) Follow the XDA-provided guides to unlock the bootloader and root
3.) "Start" the phone for first with all the necessary work done for a rooted device, allow the device to restore apps and app data from the google backup I complete on my current P2XL.
4.) finish the installation of magisk per the XDA guiedes listed above in step 2.
5.) install the mods and modules listed above. Install and reboot one at a time, so if one causes an issue (bootloop) it will be very easy to isolate and determine which one is the culprit.
Can anyone offer links on guides on how to recover from a bootloop or issue? I saw something on XDA about uninstalling a problematic module by booting to safe mode. Unfortunately it was before I started bookmarking and saving threads and posts on XDA. In the past I think I handled this by using a magisk manager for twrp, but as we all know TWRP doesn't exist for the P7P.

Schroeder09 said:
Hey guys, I've posted a lot of questions in different threads throughout the P7P forum. I have bookmarked posts and threads that offered important information and instructions, but I wanted to start a thread to aggregate all the information and instructions. I am coming from a P2XL. I have titanium backup, but I've never successfully restored from it. I see a lot of discussion about swift backup on these forums now. I have already purchased titanium backup, so if I can use that to restore apps and data from my P2XL to my P7P I'd like to do that instead of buying another app.
Here's what I'd like to use:
1.) substratum for swiftblack. Can AOSP mods do this?
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Best to ask in the [MOD][Xposed+Magisk][Pre-Release] AOSP Mods thread. I use Pitch Black through it, but I don't know anything beyond that, and I don't think that mod has any relationship to Substratum.
Schroeder09 said:
2.) adaway. I see some people mentioning adguard, but I don't want a subscription service.
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Just use Fox's Mmm (Magisk Module Manager) to install Adaway either through F-Droid app or directly from GitHub.
Schroeder09 said:
3.) I really want something that enables sweep to sleep. I'm a big believer in saving the mechanical power button by not using it. sweep to sleep allows for this and is handier anyway.
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[KERNEL] CleanSlate |S2S|AdBlock|VIB|BatterySvr
[Kernel] [Android Stable]Kirisakura for Pixel 7/Pro aka "Pantah"
You'll have to use one (or both if you wish) of the CleanSlate apps to configure the many capabilities - Kirisakura is based on CleanSlate, so they both use the same apps for configuration.
Schroeder09 said:
4.) backup and restore capability whether through titanium backup or swiftbackup
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I started using Swift Backup a year ago. Works well for my use.
Schroeder09 said:
9.) legacy power button options
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@Quinny899's thread [APP][ROOT][11+][19/07] Classic Power Menu - Power Menu Replacement w/ Wallet, Controls on Android 11, 12, 13+
FYI, a lot of what I'm posting here is in my thread, particularly at:
Post #3 - Other, most important resources:
A list of other important apps
Schroeder09 said:
11.) Perhaps above all I want complete stock functionality of my device through successful hiding of root. I need to be able to use banking apps and google pay. Will the above listed modules prevent that?
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Again, in my thread at:
Post #2 - Unlocking Bootloader / Rooting / Updating | SafetyNet | ADB/Fastboot & Windows USB Drivers:[/SIZE]
SafetyNet
Schroeder09 said:
What is your experience with all of these and advice you may have for installing and maintaining them through updates? Is this list too extensive? A few years ago when I was messing around with rooting my P2XL the general guidance was to not install too many mods and apps because they begin to conflict and cause issues that lead to bootloops.
Here's the game plan for when the pixel arrives. First, is this the best spot to get the latest ADB and fastboot tools?
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No. Link to official download in my thread (again) at:
Post #2 - Unlocking Bootloader / Rooting / Updating | SafetyNet | ADB/Fastboot & Windows USB Drivers:
ADB/Fastboot and Windows USB Drivers - direct download links and the most recent changelog
Schroeder09 said:
1.) Flash the latest OTA update from google.
2.) Follow the XDA-provided guides to unlock the bootloader and root
3.) "Start" the phone for first with all the necessary work done for a rooted device, allow the device to restore apps and app data from the google backup I complete on my current P2XL.
4.) finish the installation of magisk per the XDA guiedes listed above in step 2.
5.) install the mods and modules listed above. Install and reboot one at a time, so if one causes an issue (bootloop) it will be very easy to isolate and determine which one is the culprit.
Can anyone offer links on guides on how to recover from a bootloop or issue? I saw something on XDA about uninstalling a problematic module by booting to safe mode. Unfortunately it was before I started bookmarking and saving threads and posts on XDA. In the past I think I handled this by using a magisk manager for twrp, but as we all know TWRP doesn't exist for the P7P.
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Just see my thread.

roirraW edor ehT said:
Just use Fox's Mmm (Magisk Module Manager) to install Adaway either through F-Droid app or directly from GitHub.
[KERNEL] CleanSlate |S2S|AdBlock|VIB|BatterySvr
[Kernel] [Android Stable]Kirisakura for Pixel 7/Pro aka "Pantah"
You'll have to use one (or both if you wish) of the CleanSlate apps to configure the many capabilities - Kirisakura is based on CleanSlate, so they both use the same apps for configuration.
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I see cleanslate kernel config and cleanslate kernel companion in the Google play store. Neither apps' description lists being able to control or toggle sweep to sleep. I didn't see any in-app screenshots showing the option either. Which one manages the sweep to sleep functionality? Either kernel will enable sweep to sleep? Also, is there any way to enable sweep to sleep without flashing a kernel? I have read through one of the kernel threads. The process to flash a kernel including disabling verity and all the issues people were reporting made me think I wasn't going to do a custom kernel on this phone. It was a lot easier on the past on the p2xl with twrp. Flashing a kernel looks daunting though.

Schroeder09 said:
I see cleanslate kernel config and cleanslate kernel companion in the Google play store. Neither apps' description lists being able to control or toggle sweep to sleep. I didn't see any in-app screenshots showing the option either.
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Look in the kernel threads I linked, which is where they advertise the S2S feature. I've used both kernels on the P6P, and they definitely have S2S.
Schroeder09 said:
Which one manages the sweep to sleep functionality?
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I don't remember - best, you should ask in one of the two kernel threads. I'm not using a custom kernel right now because I don't want to have to factory reset, since I haven't disabled Verity and Verification yet.
Schroeder09 said:
Either kernel will enable sweep to sleep?
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Yes. Like I said, Kirisakura kernel is based on CleanSlate. It's the base CleanSlate (Kirisakura includes) that has the S2S feature, which you can configure using the appropriate app.
Schroeder09 said:
Also, is there any way to enable sweep to sleep without flashing a kernel?
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I've never heard of another way. You can do something like it with some third-party replacement launchers like Nova Launcher Prime which I use - in which you can make many custom gestures, but it's not going to be exactly like S2S no matter what.
Personally, I overall prefer [MOD][Xposed+Magisk][Pre-Release] AOSP Mods' option to double-tap status bar to sleep.
Schroeder09 said:
I have read through one of the kernel threads. The process to flash a kernel including disabling verity and all the issues people were reporting made me think I wasn't going to do a custom kernel on this phone. It was a lot easier on the past on the p2xl with twrp. Flashing a kernel looks daunting though.
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I don't know what issues you're referring to. I have kept up with every single post in all three custom kernel threads. If you disable them and follow the rest of the instructions, such as to re-disable them every time you update or just flash the phone's firmware, there's no issue.
Flashing the kernel itself is even easier than with TWRP. You don't have to boot into TWRP, you can use a reliable app like [DEV] Kernel Flasher.
Not trying to convince you either way. If you don't want to, then don't.

roirraW edor ehT said:
Look in the kernel threads I linked, which is where they advertise the S2S feature. I've used both kernels on the P6P, and they definitely have S2S.
I don't remember - best, you should ask in one of the two kernel threads. I'm not using a custom kernel right now because I don't want to have to factory reset, since I haven't disabled Verity and Verification yet.
Yes. Like I said, Kirisakura kernel is based on CleanSlate. It's the base CleanSlate (Kirisakura includes) that has the S2S feature, which you can configure using the appropriate app.
I've never heard of another way. You can do something like it with some third-party replacement launchers like Nova Launcher Prime which I use - in which you can make many custom gestures, but it's not going to be exactly like S2S no matter what.
Personally, I overall prefer [MOD][Xposed+Magisk][Pre-Release] AOSP Mods' option to double-tap status bar to sleep.
I don't know what issues you're referring to. I have kept up with every single post in all three custom kernel threads. If you disable them and follow the rest of the instructions, such as to re-disable them every time you update or just flash the phone's firmware, there's no issue.
Flashing the kernel itself is even easier than with TWRP. You don't have to boot into TWRP, you can use a reliable app like [DEV] Kernel Flasher.
Not trying to convince you either way. If you don't want to, then don't.
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Thanks. I'll read through entirely instead of a few pages here and there. The double tap to sleep sounds reasonable. Perhaps I'll try that.

Hello,
Regarding this: 6.) free google photos forever backup (spoof device as a pixel). which lsposed or magisk module does this?
Pixelify-Google-Photos with lsposed zygisk + magisk latest stable:
Release v4.1 · BaltiApps/Pixelify-Google-Photos
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No notification in Photos app setting regarding unlimited storage, but keep it original quality and back some stuff up if you want to try, your storage count won't move.
I wrote a post here: Post in thread 'Post of root mods that are working in Android 13' https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...e-working-in-android-13.4509383/post-87669221
Good luck,
Sébastien.