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To Root or not to Root?

I'm getting my Mom a Skyrocket for Xmas. I'm going to set it up for her. I would like to remove some of the ATT junk. That would require root. But when ICS comes, I would like her to be able to get the update OTA without any problems. She lives 600 miles away and I can't just fix things for her easily.
If I root and then unroot, will she be able to gt OTA updates?

yes if you unroot you can recieve the update. even if your rooted but have stock recovery you should be able to recieve the update.. you must have stock recovery

silver03wrx said:
yes if you unroot you can recieve the update. even if your rooted but have stock recovery you should be able to recieve the update.. you must have stock recovery
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So if I just root for su access. Then install a few apps that require superuser to install but not run,then uninstall root I should be OK. But I could also leave root maybe?

So we can root, delete bloat ware then unroot?

you may not be able to take and ota update if u deleted bloat... you can root and freeze your bloat then if theres an ota update unfreeze and take teh update. as long as you have stock recovery..

draztikrhymez said:
So we can root, delete bloat ware then unroot?
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You missed a step
1) Root
2) Uninstall Bloatware
3) Install my own Bloatware
4) Unroot
I'm hoping that will work.
Or maybe leave root in place?

Silver03wrx is one of the best sources of help skyrockets have right now.
You only need stock recovery and bloatware means, you only need stock recovery and bloatware.
So freeze it, don't uninstall it. Anything that needs to be flashed by cwm, don't. Do it manually as cwm replaces stock recovery.
Aside from those, do whatever you want. Just make sure if any over the air updates come out, all the apps are unfrozen first or it can cause issues and/or no allow the update to install.
Play around with droidvnc. It allows remote connection to an Android. Let's you do remote assistance. Can be slow, but sometimes, most the time, faster than our parents.
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silver03wrx said:
you may not be able to take and ota update if u deleted bloat... you can root and freeze your bloat then if theres an ota update unfreeze and take teh update. as long as you have stock recovery..
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I'm new here, what does freezing do? I've seen it in Titanium. Won't the app still show in the appz menus?

les_garten said:
I'm new here, what does freezing do? I've seen it in Titanium. Won't the app still show in the appz menus?
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no. thats the point of freezing. it wont show up in app drawer or run in background if its a service....from looking at your phone, it wont appear that its installed, however, the files are still there in case you need to defrost them later on for some service that Samsung requires for an OTA (over the air)
if you uninstall, you are REMOVING the files from /system/apps/ and we dont know how that will react to an OTA at this point.

Hi, sorry to re-open an old thread but I too am a new android user and was wondering about the future ICS update for our skyrockets.
The words that keep repeating in this post are "freeze bloatware" and "stock recovery" in order to get the official ICS update.
I rooted my phone and used bloat freezer free found in the app market to freeze a bunch of bloat and installed wifi tether for root users. Does this mean I still have "stock recovery"?
Sorry- I've been an iphone user for the past 4 years (since nearly the first day it came out) and i'm not familiar with all the android terms yet. thanks!

You would know if u had stock recovery. Because you would have had to flash cwm recovery tar with odin or installed it with rom manager. If u did not do eiher of those yes you have stock recovery

Is there a way to get root access without installing CWM? I thought that was the only way to install the superuser file?

Will accepting Software Update terms screw up my root?

I noticed in the Software Update under Setthings that we are authoring Samsung to push updates to us without our knowledge. I can see this causing root issues.
Are we better off just waiting on the Devs to release nice safe updates and not accepting them from Samsung at all?
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Just get voodoo ota rootkeeper. its free from playstore. before you update, open up this app to backup n save your root file. then update ota Samsung. you will initially use root. then open up voodoo then press restore. it'll restore your root. you can use root checker to make sure you rooted.
With voodoo, no worries about over the air updates & root.

demandarin said:
Just get voodoo ota rootkeeper. its free from playstore. before you update, open up this app to backup n save your root file. then update ota Samsung. you will initially use root. then open up voodoo then press restore. it'll restore your root. you can use root checker to make sure you rooted.
With voodoo, no worries about over the air updates & root.
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Cool but I wonder if that will still work if Samsung pushes a root killer to our rig?
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mitchellvii said:
Cool but I wonder if that will still work if Samsung pushes a root killer to our rig?
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I never heard of Samsung pushing a root killer. I think thats falsw. updates will automatically kill root because it over writes everything. thats why you use voodoo to back up and save root file. so it can be restored after new update

[Q] Problem with root access PLEASE HELP!!!

Ok so one day my phone is all nice and dandy, rooted as a tree, and then I go to Advence Freeze an app, and Rom Toolbox Pro tells me I no longer have root access. So I go into Titanium backup and it says the same thing. For total verification, I go to Terminal Emulator, and the "su" command gives me a "not granted" response. So while I had root yesterday, for some reason I don't have it today. The thing I'm worried about most is that I did absolutely nothing in the meantime. The phone hadn't restarted in 3 days so that wasn't it. And all I did before it unrooted itself iis use the Inkpad Notepad app, and the Boat Browser app. I didn't touch a single thing that could possibly mess something up. Root hasn't always been very "observable" on my phone. After about a week after rooting it, Superuser stopped asking me if I wanted to allow or deny new apps. But all my root apps still worked. I run no special rom, just stock 4.1.2. I have SafeStrap Bootloader installed for backups as well. I downloaded Motochopper to try to reroot my phone just a few minutes ago and the exploit ran flawlessly. No errors whatsoever. When it booted up, still no root access. To be more specific, Voodoo OTA Root Keeper tells me the device is rooted, but without root access. I also have a root backup made with that program. Can someone please tell me how to fix this because the thought of a "normal" phone is making me depressed :crying:.

Try updating your SU and see if that does anything.

RikRong said:
Try updating your SU and see if that does anything.
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The only way I could think of doing that is from the superuser app (if you mean update the binaries) and I already tried. It fails at "gettingroot access".

miapuffia said:
The only way I could think of doing that is from the superuser app (if you mean update the binaries) and I already tried. It fails at "gettingroot access".
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Yeah, that's what I meant. Hmmm...

RikRong said:
Yeah, that's what I meant. Hmmm...
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Perhaps I could backup my data using SafeStrap TWRP, download stock rooted 4.3 (which I wanted since it came out), install it to rom slot 2 using SafeStrap, and then restore my data! Where's my nobel prize? lol Would that work?

miapuffia said:
Perhaps I could backup my data using SafeStrap TWRP, download stock rooted 4.3 (which I wanted since it came out), install it to rom slot 2 using SafeStrap, and then restore my data! Where's my nobel prize? lol Would that work?
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There is no stock 4.3 ROM for us. The highest stock version would be 4.1.2. You can get CM10.2 that is vanilla AOSP, but I don't know if it would boot on SS.

RikRong said:
There is no stock 4.3 ROM for us. The highest stock version would be 4.1.2. You can get CM10.2 that is vanilla AOSP, but I don't know if it would boot on SS.
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I see. That's why my rooted 4.3 search came up.blank. I don't mind trying CM. I tried to SS install it previously but it failed (kinda). But now that I think about it I definitely installed the wrong version. As long as I can restore my data to CM I don't mind trying it. Can I get 4.1.2, root it, and then restore data? But wait, I know my bro has 4.3 rooted he used temp unroot -> update -> restore root. Can I do that? In case you didn't notice I'm new to this :/

Just rooted my 4.3, is it ok to update my phone?

My old s3 broke, just got my new s3 today. I just rooted my device, and was wondering if it was ok to update my phone. An annoying prompt keeps asking me to update. Dont know if I'm supposed to disable it or update my phone.

leave it alone..update is useless..unroots your phone..stay away
sent from a DIS-GRUNTLED GS3

Can you or anyone tell me how I can disable it? it keeps popping up on me. its annoying!

Schism169 said:
Can you or anyone tell me how I can disable it? it keeps popping up on me. its annoying!
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Use an app like Titanium Backup, switch to "System" apps via the filter, then press the specific app. Or use a file explorer, grant it root access, then navigate to /System and rename the file to "sdm 1.0.bak" or delete it.

Thank you guys, Got it frozen

Is there a way to do it without a rooted phone? Titantium backup apparently needs root. This stupid update is so annoying. I plan to root my phone in the future so I dont want the update but I dont have time to figure out how to root it right now.

smalco44 said:
Is there a way to do it without a rooted phone? Titantium backup apparently needs root. This stupid update is so annoying. I plan to root my phone in the future so I dont want the update but I dont have time to figure out how to root it right now.
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No and if there were a way to do this non-rooted, that would be a very questionable security flaw.
Edit: Use Saferoot to gain root access on VRUCML1, when you find time. Links and info in our TW 4.3 Sticky.
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Am I correct in assuming simply freezing SDM will stop OTA's? I thought there was one other thing that had to be frozen.

gospodinwizard said:
Am I correct in assuming simply freezing SDM will stop OTA's? I thought there was one other thing that had to be frozen.
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Freezing SDM was all I needed to do on my S3 to stop the update nags. Others have mentioned another file "FWUpdate", but I could not find it on my S3. I would just try freezing SDM 1.0 and see if that does it, if not, then look for the other file.

[Q] Question about rooting OTA KitKat

Hi everyone,
So I had rooted my phone using the Casual method, and mistakenly took the 4.3 OTA update (which locked my bootloader). Now, I'm on the KitKat OTA update (as of yesterday). In the sticky thread about the 4.3 update, I'm seeing a couple of things that make me hopeful. To be clear, all I want to do is root the phone--not install custom ROM's.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=52904692&postcount=11 says that you can use "Survival Mode" in Super SU, and http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=53484457&postcount=19 talks about Towelroot working.
My question is, since I got the KNOX bootloader, are these still options for me? And if the Survival mode is, how do I enable it?
Some more information. When I try to open SuperSU, it says that it's missing and can't be installed. And I'm on the May 20 build of the kernel, so I'm assuming that I can use Towelroot to root my phone--but I'd like confirmation.
Have a great day, and thanks.
Patrick.

I used towelroot. I then installed busy box and supersu. I then checked root. I happen to stumble on your question so pm and let me know how well it worked. I posted a comment in the towelroot thread.

Towelroot works fine. Once super su is installed, close and re-open it. It will ask if you want to disable Knox. Say yes. This isn't the boot loader, it stops it from checking for root. You will start getting notifications to update security on the phone. Do not accept. It states on the disclaimer that comes up that it will remove programs and files IT deems are harmful to your device... Which means it will unroot you and delete anything that may be part of rooting...
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5ft24 said:
Towelroot works fine. Once super su is installed, close and re-open it. It will ask if you want to disable Knox. Say yes. This isn't the boot loader, it stops it from checking for root. You will start getting notifications to update security on the phone. Do not accept. It states on the disclaimer that comes up that it will remove programs and files IT deems are harmful to your device... Which means it will unroot you and delete anything that may be part of rooting...
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That might be a problem then too. I got the thing about automatic updates from Samsung (SE for Android) and accepted it. I can always disable it, if necessary. I'll see if it will still root, and will disable the automatic updates if not. UPDATE: I was able to run Towelroot, and root the phone. Then I was able to reinstall SuperSU. When it updated and found KNOX, I clicked OK to disable that. After a bit, SuperSU stopped. According to SuperSU, I have SuperUser enabled.
Have a great day.
Patrick,