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Looks like the Malta is coming out w/ a IPS Tegra2 tablet.
http://armdevices.net/2011/02/15/malata-releases-new-tegra2-tablets/
Looks like that has the screen we've all been looking for. hope it will fit in my gtablet.
It's not a Tegra 2 - it's Cortex based, problem similar to what SmartQ is coming out with.
That IPS screen is 4:3, not 16:9 - it's the same as my R10 and will not fit into our GTAB.
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Looks like that has the screen we've all been looking for. hope it will fit in my gtablet.
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Would be nice if that screen can work with our g tablets... Does seem it uses the same dock.
The info sheet says:
- dual cortex A9 processor 1 ghz (though not Tegra 2)
- 1GB DDR2 (very nice)
- Front 1.3 MP camera & Rear 5 MP camera (also nice)
- GPS (nice, but already have external GPS)
- 10" 1280x800 screen with wide viewing angles. (Very nice)
Roebeet you sure, that screen dosen't look 4:3 to me. I think you looking at the one they show at the end (iPadish one).
I think the IPS one is that last one (about 6:20). That's the 4:3 device - I don't think the other two are IPS. But I could be wrong.
I noticed one of them has light-up buttons - that's pretty sweet. Also, that IPS screen is a dual Cortex (Tegra, I assume?).
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It's not a Tegra 2 - it's Cortex based, problem similar to what SmartQ is coming out with.
That IPS screen is 4:3, not 16:9 - it's the same as my R10 and will not fit into our GTAB.
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Beet you may want to double check, looks like 16:9 to me. The spoke at begining that they were using a better screen. I sure hope this will fit our tablets. I got my friend to convert over, he loves this forum, thanks for your help!
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Beet you may want to double check, looks like 16:9 to me. The spoke at begining that they were using a better screen. I sure hope this will fit our tablets. I got my friend to convert over, he loves this forum, thanks for your help!
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The first two are 16:9 and might fit the GTAB - whether or not the angles are better remains to be seen (it does look look that way however, going on the video).
I get the impression that the LCD's must have been the biggest complaint with their first gen devices, since viewing angles and screen quality are being addressed this year. That's great!
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The first two are 16:9 and might fit the GTAB - whether or not the angles are better remains to be seen (it does look look that way however, going on the video).
I get the impression that the LCD's must have been the biggest complaint with their first gen devices, since viewing angles and screen quality are being addressed this year. That's great!
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The first device was the current g tablet, from what I could gather. The second has the new improved screen, he mentioned it had a better screen than the third device (iPad look-a-like). I don't know if it IPS or what, but it look like a much nicer screen.
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The first device was the current g tablet, from what I could gather. The second has the new improved screen, he mention it a better screen than the third device (iPad look-a-like). I don't know if it IPS or what, but it look like a much nicer screen.
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I second that. Even when he moved the tablets around you could still see what was on the screen! IPS or not, I will take that any day over the crap we have
thanks for the info, hope that some retailers will just sell the screen.. I guess that buying a new screen is still cheaper than buying a new terga 2 tablet like A10. I was thinking about pre-order the A10. Now, I can wait a little bit longer.. Save a few hundred bucks for the google IO conference...
The new model has a very similar specs to Xoom (all kinds of sensors, camera, etc), just wondering how much will it cost? 600+?
Did anyone else notice that he said the new tablet has 10 point multi-touch? That is cool, but I don't see needing more than 4 or 6.
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Did anyone else notice that he said the new tablet has 10 point multi-touch? That is cool, but I don't see needing more than 4 or 6.
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It probably doesn't cost much more to put in 10 points then it does 4 points so its nice to have for bragging rights I guess.
10 points may be useful in the future. there are some rumors that apple is going to use more different gesture to control more screen actions such as turn on/off device, etc. (read it from Engagdet).. How's about playing a real panio program, or guitar.. it would be nice to have more touch points at the same time.. right? just a thought..
From all the rumours floating around at the moment the Nexus Prime sounds like a beast. Samsung made, 1.5gHz exynos chip, Amoled 720p screen. 5mp rear camera w/1080p and a front facing 1mp camera. No physical buttons and Android 4.0.
But when the SGS2 gets Android 4.0, other than the 720p screen will it be pushed to 2nd in the awesome stakes? After all we have an very nice camera and and awesome chipset. Just like the Nexus S was a google branded SGS1, will the Prime be a google branded SGS2?
Any thoughts?
http://www.fonehome.co.uk/2011/07/18/google-nexus-prime-10-things-we-want-to-see/
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From all the rumours floating around at the moment the Nexus Prime sounds like a beast. Samsung made, 1.5gHz exynos chip, Amoled 720p screen. 5mp rear camera w/1080p and a front facing 1mp camera. No physical buttons and Android 4.0.
But when the SGS2 gets Android 4.0, other than the 720p screen will it be pushed to 2nd in the awesome stakes? After all we have an very nice camera and and awesome chipset. Just like the Nexus S was a google branded SGS1, will the Prime be a google branded SGS2?
Any thoughts?
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It depends on how it all comes together. A higher quality 5mp camera could produce better results that our 8mp camera so that doesn't scare me. More power is always good. A pure Google phone is always good from a latest and greatest perspective. It's also guaranteed to have NFC which is good.
The screen kind of scares me. My SGS2 screen (an early build) is great but there have been lots of reported QC issues, wide variations in color temperature, the gradient issue, and the left side banding issue. Pushing even more pixels to get to 720p is going to be tough to pull off based on the challenges they experienced in the jump from SAMOLED to SAMOLED+.
The radio's important and I wouldn't go back to something lower than 21MB HSPA+. I doubt it'll support any form of LTE because there are too many frequencies to contend with.
So count me as a "maybe."
Thanks for responding. I am not so sure either. That's why a discussion is a great place to start. Hopefully it will smash the new Iphone.
http://www.fonehome.co.uk/2011/07/22/google-nexus-prime-processor-detailed/
It all seems over the edge to me. From looking at the previous releases of google phones starting from Nexus One which consisted similar specs to the desire, and the nexus S which again has the similar specs to the Galaxy S, infact they shared the same chipsets. I'm not implying that the prime would indeed carry the similarities of the GS2 on that behalf but maybe not too far off.
An improved build of the AMOLED+ screen with all the banding issue and etc gone (I doubt it'll be 720p either). I'd say yes to dual core and maybe 1.5ghz (why not?). 5mp camera, (really?) I doubt they'd go anything below an 8mp due to competitvity and yes yes we all know that the cmos sensor makes all the difference but most people prefer figures rather than facts which is where the target audience usually lies (consider iphone 5 being the biggest role in competitiveness here).
All in all any specs that surpasses the GS2 is a path to the right direction although it's too early to judge since quad core is only around the corner, so time will tell. I personally wouldn't buy a google phone; my list of reasons would stuff this whole thread.
Next Nexus will also be google with bare basic OS , that means no awesome Samsung media codecs.
Also Nexus S had no external sdcard only 16gigs build in.
Only time will show how crippled its gonna be, sure certain aspects might be better depending who is gonna make it, CPU/GPU might be better , 720p AMOLED screen would be nice or at very least some decked out IPS panel.
Generally nexus devices never been better then some alternatives , but its subjective everyone has different needs. I am more interested in next Galaxy successor !
Yes the galaxy 3 will be a huge step. I think that all the codec support on this device is amazing. The nexus s was OK but destroyed by the s2. The next nexus probably won't beat the s2 when you look at the previous steps taken.
Samsungs software this year has been excellent. It's one of the few devices with duel core being optimised well. Will vanilla android be optimised? Probably not.
nexus s will be interesting, and will be worth a look at if it boasts a 720p display.
EDIT: haah i meant nexus prime , thanks robt772000
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nexus s will be interesting, and will be worth a look at if it boasts a 720p display.
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Nexus Prime
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Nexus "Prime" will be a very good phone (atleast I can hope so!). But even if it smashes GS2, no shame in that. By all accounts, Prime would be released 6+ months after GS2, so it would be a shame if it can't beat GS2.
I am worried about few other points which you guys might have better knowledge:
1. How would be the application support for Ice cream? Will it be compatible with 2.x application?
2. What would be native/suggested resolution and form factor of displays? I assume that it's 480*800 for 2.x models. Is that going to change with Ice cream?
3. What would happen to Honeycomb? Ice cream is supposed to be across both tablets and phones? So, it appears to me that HC was just a stop-gap arrangement to allow android foot-hold in the tablet market.
4. What sort of processors are they going to support? My assumption was that HC was typically made compatible with Tegra2 and the primary reason why it sucked initially. I would bet that if HC ran on Exynos with Samsung optimized drivers, it would be much better than what it is now.
Most people tend think the battle would be with iOS, my idea is that the biggest threat for Ice cream will be from Microsoft!
Remember Windows 8 - it's being optimized for both tablets and notebook/desktops. Will be running both on x86 and ARM processors. And from initial views, that looks simply awesome. MS is going to have same platform running for phone, tablets and notebooks. I can't help and appreciate how much it would attract the developers. You develop for 1 platform which could run the application on any of the devices. And the customer base - everyone running Windows PC. That is huge. As much as I hated Microsoft, I can say with no shame that I simply love Win 7. I believe I had no BSOD over 1-1.5 years of using Win 7. Ice cream need to step up and has to bring something really useful to be a successful.
My only real concern is the screen quality, the SAMOLED plus is inferior to the regular SAMOLED due to its massive banding and QC issues, for day to day use theres basically no difference between both, For pictures the SAMOLED made some pictures prettier because it was not able to display the flaws/image compression artifacts, color is better on the Plus though. All in all it boils down to the screen quality for me.
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From all the rumours floating around at the moment the Nexus Prime sounds like a beast. Samsung made, 1.5gHz exynos chip, Amoled 720p screen. 5mp rear camera w/1080p and a front facing 1mp camera. No physical buttons and Android 4.0.
But when the SGS2 gets Android 4.0, other than the 720p screen will it be pushed to 2nd in the awesome stakes? After all we have an very nice camera and and awesome chipset. Just like the Nexus S was a google branded SGS1, will the Prime be a google branded SGS2?
Any thoughts?
http://www.fonehome.co.uk/2011/07/18/google-nexus-prime-10-things-we-want-to-see/
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All that and probably no micro sd card slot again.
Most definitely. It's the Big G's OFFICIAL phone. And should it have this epic HD-high-resolution 4.0" or 4.3" display. It'll blow the GS2 away. Not to mention whatever minor processor improvements there will be.
Also it'll be rocking 4.0 - K.O - Game Set Match.
Anyhows, I'm just happy they're continuing the Nexus range, because it really is something that showcases Android and combats iOS and that really brings the best of the best to the table. (well so far it has)........well not really with the Nexus S, but that is still a damn good phone. But this Nexus Prime looks like it's going to be another Nexus One, ground-breaking.
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Remember Windows 8 - it's being optimized for both tablets and notebook/desktops. Will be running both on x86 and ARM processors. And from initial views, that looks simply awesome. MS is going to have same platform running for phone, tablets and notebooks. I can't help and appreciate how much it would attract the developers. You develop for 1 platform which could run the application on any of the devices. And the customer base - everyone running Windows PC. That is huge. As much as I hated Microsoft, I can say with no shame that I simply love Win 7. I believe I had no BSOD over 1-1.5 years of using Win 7. Ice cream need to step up and has to bring something really useful to be a successful.
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hmmm I agree with you. Microsoft are really stepping up their game. (ABOUT TIME!!) But I think while Apple and Microsoft are trying to unify the desktop and mobile experience into ONE, those two will compete a lot more. I think Android will take a beating in the coming years...but I also think that people (like myself) enjoy a change.
I for one, would HATE to be working on my Mac, or windows...then go out and switch to my mobile and then have the exact same/a VERY similar experience on my phone. I actually like the change in OS, the change in apps...but then again, I suppose most people just want everything to be exactly the same because it's more "simple" :/
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hmmm I agree with you. Microsoft are really stepping up their game. (ABOUT TIME!!) But I think while Apple and Microsoft are trying to unify the desktop and mobile experience into ONE, those two will compete a lot more. I think Android will take a beating in the coming years...but I also think that people (like myself) enjoy a change.
I for one, would HATE to be working on my Mac, or windows...then go out and switch to my mobile and then have the exact same/a VERY similar experience on my phone. I actually like the change in OS, the change in apps...but then again, I suppose most people just want everything to be exactly the same because it's more "simple" :/
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Yes, both MS and Apple are trying to unify the platforms. My view is that Apple will again try to keep that niche segment and their loyal user base. MS, like Google will license their software to other vendors. The whole scenario sounds similar to what happened in the desktop space 20 years back. History repeating itself - we have Apple on one side and MS/Google with a different approach on other. Players like IBM and Compaq making way for present day vendors like Samsung/Nokia etc.,
Ho well, I won't be surprised if in a year from now, with dual core 2ghz ARMs and 1+ gig of ram in phones we will see windows 8 running on smartphones with metro UI on top... If it runs on a tab, it'll run on a smartpone. Hell the SGS2 is crushing any tablet currently, it's just sad that all the SGS are always given unused potential (remember the sgx540 on sgs1, and now exynos mali400 on sgs2). But hey that's what makes them future proof, we'll still see SGS1 running new games and apps in a year or two.
I liked android for the customization and liberty it gave me, but I pretty much ran around it both on tablet (transformer) and phone (SGS1 &2) and I think that my next gen of devices will be wp7.5 mango (if the WP7 SGS2 ever comes out!) and then wp8 stuff late 2012.
Honestly I think the current tab market is just ****ting his pants at windows 8's arrival, because frankly, no iOS or honeycomb can rival win8's functionalities, if it runs smooth of course... (win 8 transformer 2 ).
Standing from here I really see MS as the big winner of following years. Android had 2 years to evolve into something really productive, yet it didn't really came there and still has a lesser quality catalog compared to the app store. But who knows what ICS will bring ? we can only wait.
Just a quick thing I've been thinking about...
If the Nexus Prime does have a 720p display and that's what games are played on, the experience most likely would not be as smooth as the SGS2 as the difference is pixels of the two devices is very drastic. Even qHD hurts game performance. Also, isn't retina display the most pixels needed for a 3.5" screen? I have a hard time believing there would be ANY noticeable difference between a 720p screen and qHD.
It depends on what hardware it will have.
If it will boast a Qualcomm Krait, then it will blow it away. If it uses anything else, then no, it might be slightly faster performance wise, but that's all. The only thing going for it will be the 720p screen, but we still don't know the size of the display or what type it will be.
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Just a quick thing I've been thinking about...
If the Nexus Prime does have a 720p display and that's what games are played on, the experience most likely would not be as smooth as the SGS2 as the difference is pixels of the two devices is very drastic. Even qHD hurts game performance. Also, isn't retina display the most pixels needed for a 3.5" screen? I have a hard time believing there would be ANY noticeable difference between a 720p screen and qHD.
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It's supposed to have a ginormous screen, so think bigger than 4.3" of the SGS2. I don't think it will surpass the DPI of the retina display even at 720p or at that screen size.
If it doesn't surpass SII in every spec then it will be just another SII. You will have to make compromises between a lower mp camera or no card slot, etc. If it beats SII in every section then yes, it will blow it away.
Samsung Nexus for Me
Winner is
Around 2.5x higher resolution screen, 1280x720 vs 800x480
Around 50% crisper display of text, images and video, 315 PPI vs 217 PPI
More than 10% larger screen, 4.6" vs 4.3"
i will go for Nexus !!
I'm kinda sad I haven't found a tablet with a better resolution than the iPad 3. Why has this been created?
None exist yet. I'd guess cost, most manufactures probably dont sell enough volume compared to Apple to get a good enough discount on the screens to make it worth their time.
There's a Win8/RT tablet on the horizon from Samsung though with a 16:10 version of that resolution, so hopefully Android devices wont be too far behind.
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I'm kinda sad I haven't found a tablet with a better resolution than the iPad 3. Why has this been created?
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No exist,the ipad resolution is the best on the market!!
Hello!
I am a happy iPad 4 owner but I am wondering if it's the case to sell it.
I mainly need a tablet to watch movies "on the go", as I really don't like do any kind of work on it. I love my notebook, my keyboard, my external display :laugh:
I am thinking about selling my iPad and get an Android cheaper alternative. Size 10", with a good resolution (at least HD) and capable of playing full HD and MKV.
Is there something you would suggest? Web browsing is not my priority. Weight, price, screen and battery are
I need at least 5 hours with no wi-fi.
Thank you for your help!
lemy_ said:
Hello!
I am a happy iPad 4 owner but I am wondering if it's the case to sell it.
I mainly need a tablet to watch movies "on the go", as I really don't like do any kind of work on it. I love my notebook, my keyboard, my external display :laugh:
I am thinking about selling my iPad and get an Android cheaper alternative. Size 10", with a good resolution (at least HD) and capable of playing full HD and MKV.
Is there something you would suggest? Web browsing is not my priority. Weight, price, screen and battery are
I need at least 5 hours with no wi-fi.
Thank you for your help!
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I'll give a shameless plug for the tablet I own and love, the LG G Pad 8.3. Smaller than a 10", but that's the point. Especially compared to an iPad, and even more especially when you consider watching movies. The iPad has a 4:3 ratio, while the LG has a 16:10 ratio (most Android tablets have a 16:9), which is much better for watching movies because there'll be less wasted space on the screen. I'm sure you've noticed how much useless space there is when watching a letterboxed movie on your iPad. The G Pad can be found for extremely reasonable prices these days.
As for full 10" Android tablets, these will cost quite a bit more, but will still seem a good deal compared to iPads. You can get the Samsung Tab Pro 10.1 for under $400, and for $450 there's the Tab S 10.5". The latter will probably be a better platform for watching movies (and everything else, really) because of the AMOLED display, which'll have blacker blacks and more contrast.
Regardless of your choice, Androids are great for entertainment, largely due to the widescreen aspect ratio, and also because most have microSD slots to store more stuff, you can load stuff from your computer via simple drag and drop (no iTunes BS), and because even if it doesn't natively support the file type you're trying to play, you can get a player (MX Pro, for example) that'll play practically anything you can throw at it.
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I'll give a shameless plug for the tablet I own and love, the LG G Pad 8.3. Smaller than a 10", but that's the point. Especially compared to an iPad, and even more especially when you consider watching movies. The iPad has a 4:3 ratio, while the LG has a 16:10 ratio (most Android tablets have a 16:9), which is much better for watching movies because there'll be less wasted space on the screen. I'm sure you've noticed how much useless space there is when watching a letterboxed movie on your iPad. The G Pad can be found for extremely reasonable prices these days.
As for full 10" Android tablets, these will cost quite a bit more, but will still seem a good deal compared to iPads. You can get the Samsung Tab Pro 10.1 for under $400, and for $450 there's the Tab S 10.5". The latter will probably be a better platform for watching movies (and everything else, really) because of the AMOLED display, which'll have blacker blacks and more contrast.
Regardless of your choice, Androids are great for entertainment, largely due to the widescreen aspect ratio, and also because most have microSD slots to store more stuff, you can load stuff from your computer via simple drag and drop (no iTunes BS), and because even if it doesn't natively support the file type you're trying to play, you can get a player (MX Pro, for example) that'll play practically anything you can throw at it.
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Is the GPad 8.3 okay for MKV/1080P files? :silly:
I had both Nexus 7 2012 & 2013 and actually I find the aspect ratio/size really not suitable for me. It was like having a giant phone.
I also have a Note 3 so that's why I am concerned about 7/8 inches tablet. However the GPad looks really promising
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Is the GPad 8.3 okay for MKV/1080P files? :silly:
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It took some searching, but I found a 1080p .mkv video (the nature of which shall remain unspoken), and the stock player plays it fine (as does MX Player).
I had both Nexus 7 2012 & 2013 and actually I find the aspect ratio/size really not suitable for me. It was like having a giant phone.
I also have a Note 3 so that's why I am concerned about 7/8 inches tablet. However the GPad looks really promising
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I like the LG 8.3 because it's about the size/weight as the Nexus 7 tablets, yet with its smaller bezels, packs a significantly larger screen. I really don't like the ~10" tablets because holding them becomes fatiguing after a short time. But the 8.3 is still comfortably holdable with one hand, be it in portrait or landscape mode, and maximizes the screen size within that space. That's just my personal preference. Obviously a 10" screen is better for watching things, but if you have to hold it the whole time, then things can get painful. The size/weight of the 8.3 is manageable and gives you a good compromise between the 7" and 10" devices. The Samsung Tab S 8.4 is undoubtedly the king of these "inbetween" tablets, having a larger screen, yet being smaller, thinner, and lighter than the LG 8.3. But it also costs significantly more (yet less than iPads if you want more than 16gb storage).
And as I said, the aspect ratio is a big consideration you need to make when looking at tablets to watch movies on. The LG 8.3 will give you nearly the same horizontal screen size as your iPad, yet is over an inch and a half narrower, most of which'll be letterboxed black anyway. The iPad's 4:3 ratio is great for playing games and browsing, but wastes a lot of space when watching movies/tv, unless you're watching Magnum PI or other TV shows from the pre-HD days, or movies that were cropped for TV or directed by Kubrick. Anything else, and a 16:9 or 16:10 Android tablet (or Windows, but let's not go there) is better if your main concern is watching movies.
There are 3 threads already established that are devoted to discussions about devices, please read, and if necessary, repost your question in one of these threads: The what should I buy thread or the The Device Suggestion Thread or the The Device Comparison Thread.
There are also several other discussion threads that you probably should review to help you. They are What phone do you wish you had? or
The Worst Android Device That You've Ever Had & Why or even this place that talks about The best phone you ever owned.
Me personally, I hope some more high-end Android Tablet manufacturers go this route as I prefer the 4:3 aspect ratio as the majority of my consumption on tablets is reading. Does anyone think the new Nexus 9 may signal to other high-end tablet makers that the 4:3 aspect ratio is the way to go? I think there are two possibilities with the idea of Google and HTC being vanguards with a 4:3 Android tablet.
Yes, depending how well the Nexus 9 is recieved in the upcoming holiday season and sales it generates this season, cutting into the forecasted sales of the iOS devices and exceeding its own forecast
No, if other tablet makers made 4:3 a part of the strategy by copying the leader, they would have copied the iPad's aspect ratio a long time ago. Other tablet makers are fine with their line-up of 16:9 or 16:10 aspect ratios and the customer segments they represent. Creating a ~10" tablet with a 4:3 just creates a "me too" scenario that consumers will dismiss
As much as I know the issues and complaints with TouchWiz, I would love Samsung to make a 4:3 tablet so I can cram that expandable storage in.
4:3 on a 'media tablet' makes absolutely no sense.
16:9 is the international standard for HDTV, Full HD, non-HD digital television and analog widescreen television since 2001. Meaning, all the videos are in 16:9 resolution. You're going to have some serious pillarboxing on the right and left if you try to squeeze that into 4:3.
4:3 web design is also very much a thing of the 20th century. These days websites are designed at a base of 1280x720, not 1024x768. And with responsive design, it doesn't matter anyhow.
Games are much more optimized for 16:9. The FOV on 4:3 is far too small.
I don't see the point of going back to a 1980's aspect ratio that the modern industry has tried so hard to get rid of.