Whenever I charge the phone THE CHARGER.. gets very very hot..
Is it normal nor I solid go for a replace as it is the original Motorola charger provided with moto G?(in the box)
there was no original charger provided with the moto g. I know that some stores sold the moto g with an additional charger but it they did it themselfs.
it is pretty normal that phones get hot while charging, because of the chemical reaction in the battery. If the phone is in use while charging it gets even hotter. When I charge the moto g in the car, while using maps on it, the battery reaches temperatures of around 45 °C, which is not good, but still acceptable for the circumstances.
In germany there was a recall because one company added a charger that could break the charging port. the charger was from the company "iProtect". I was affected by this and could easily exchange it, the store just sent me an original motorola charger that charged a little slower (around 850 ma compared to 1a of the first charger).
If you want your phone to get less hot while charging you can do the following:
1. don't charge it at a hot place (like on a window ledge where the sun is shining, in the sauna or near a heater)
2. don't use your phone while charging (the CPU and GPU also create heat when they get stressed)
3. use a charger with a lower ampere rating (the moto G support all chargers that output 5v and 0.5 - 1.5 a. I have a charger from a sony headset (MW600) that only outputs around 600 ma that I use when charging over night. in day to day situations I use the 850 ma charger from motorola and if I'm in a hurry I use the 1a charger from my HTC.
What is the current output of the charger? If it´s something like 500 mA (some Indian guys said that was the charger bundled with the phone in India), it really shouldn´t be hot, not even too warm. If it´s something like 2 A, the battery gets warm when charging, but not really hot.
Since the phone has battery temperature sensor (Antutu can read it for instance, just as many other programs), put it on the charger and tell us what the battery temperature is and what the charger output is. Only after that we can tell if it´s too hot.
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The charger gets tooo hot
Lol. Yeah, chargers can get hot. Nothing strange about that unless it starts melting
I have noticed this also. Both my Moto G's came with a Motorola branded charger. The charger gets pretty hot while in use. More than I'm used to seeing on any of my Samsung chargers.
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Hello Guys!
I got today a new P3110 and I discacharged it to 2% and I plugged it now to load.
I have seen the charger pushes 2A @ 5V , this is pretty much for a battery of 4Ah, I know from my batteries ( AA AAA and others) that the charging current should be max. 1/3 of the capacity of battery.
So my question is: IS it better to charge it with the Samsung Galaxy S2 charger which provides only 0,[email protected],1V ?
It would last app. 6h to charge it till its full ( can be done over night, hopefully the charger wont melt)....
What do you think about that? Woul it harm to battery(li poly) to do it with small current?
cheers
If the charger seems much then tell me why Samsung made it.
Luigi2012SM64DS said:
If the charger seems much then tell me why Samsung made it.
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to destroy the battery faster, through much more currency than actually needed, so you have to buy a new one....
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to destroy the battery faster, through much more currency than actually needed, so you have to buy a new one....
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You have got to be kidding me. ITS SO THE TAB CHARGES FASTER. IT WON'T KILL THE BATTERY!!!!
Its because the tab has a much bigger battery 4000mah vs 16xxmah.
It charges it faster
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Its because the tab has a much bigger battery 4000mah vs 16xxmah.
It charges it faster
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Of couse it charges faster, but for long therm it will kill the battery faster. Its usual, like every battery. Every fast charger is not good for battery, I just wanted to know if somebody have a expieriance...
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Of couse it charges faster, but for long therm it will kill the battery faster. Its usual, like every battery. Every fast charger is not good for battery, I just wanted to know if somebody have a expieriance...
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Battery life span is a matter of charge cycles 0%-100%-0%. That is 1 cycle and surely batteries don't discharge to 0% not charge fully to 100%
-AFAIK- Even with lithium, Its the heat build up when "fast" charging that shortens any battery life - (same with fast discharging- I would never use those apps that do so) , so I agree with shOne. I have the same model & have noticed the battery does get quite hot when mains charging,( though have never thought to check charging AH).
I would imagine that the only damage you would do with using phone charger would be to the charger, by sucking out more than it can handle, not the battery ! -
-- But why not charge it via a pc usb port - this take a lot longer (so presume much lower AH) than the mains plug in charger - Most usb pc ports are nowadays - permanently live, even when pc off - same with the usb on a modern sky/virgin box. My battery does not get hot, charging this way. I dont know what the charge rate is charging this way ,because both the inbuilt notification & my battery app say "discharging" - (although actually charging)
(I agree that Samsung have provided a quick mains charger, and wouldnt be averse to selling replacement batteries earlier than would otherwise be neccessary, !! (I wouldnt use cheap replacement batteries in any I.T. stuff - I "blew up " a laptop once as a result!!)
I believe that the 2 amp charge is reasonable with the out put of most lithium batteries for this type of device. Since it is a lithium it will not be overcharging or over heating due to sensing, it would be a serious fire hazard... fyi I use a2 amp charger from Wal-Mart and I do not notice my device really heating up...
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-AFAIK- Even with lithium, Its the heat build up when "fast" charging that shortens any battery life - (same with fast discharging- I would never use those apps that do so) , so I agree with shOne. I have the same model & have noticed the battery does get quite hot when mains charging,( though have never thought to check charging AH).
I would imagine that the only damage you would do with using phone charger would be to the charger, by sucking out more than it can handle, not the battery ! -
-- But why not charge it via a pc usb port - this take a lot longer (so presume much lower AH) than the mains plug in charger - Most usb pc ports are nowadays - permanently live, even when pc off - same with the usb on a modern sky/virgin box. My battery does not get hot, charging this way. I dont know what the charge rate is charging this way ,because both the inbuilt notification & my battery app say "discharging" - (although actually charging)
(I agree that Samsung have provided a quick mains charger, and wouldnt be averse to selling replacement batteries earlier than would otherwise be neccessary, !! (I wouldnt use cheap replacement batteries in any I.T. stuff - I "blew up " a laptop once as a result!!)
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Agreed. The worst I got was a cheap replacement off a street without a packaging for a dollar. When I plugged it in for a few minutes the battery turned extremely hit and the battery expanded as if it was a puffer fish that took an electric shock
"Agreed. The worst I got was a cheap replacement off a street without a packaging for a dollar. When I plugged it in for a few minutes the battery turned extremely hit and the battery expanded as if it was a puffer fish that took an electric shock"
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LOL.........mine was a supposed "genuine" DELL replacement battery I got on EB from HK. On the first charge (in the bedroom) heard a strange hissing then a loud "pop". Some of the underside casing was actually melted and there was battery gunge all over the internals!
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"Agreed. The worst I got was a cheap replacement off a street without a packaging for a dollar. When I plugged it in for a few minutes the battery turned extremely hit and the battery expanded as if it was a puffer fish that took an electric shock"
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LOL.........mine was a supposed "genuine" DELL replacement battery I got on EB from HK. On the first charge (in the bedroom) heard a strange hissing then a loud "pop". Some of the underside casing was actually melted and there was battery gunge all over the internals!
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A lot of things I bought from Hong Kong off Ebay actually came from mainland China pfff.....
It's those low quality defects they send you. Mass market goods in china doesn't require quality passes unlike Hong Kong where it's illegal once they get pass customs.
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Hello Guys!
I got today a new P3110 and I discacharged it to 2% and I plugged it now to load.
I have seen the charger pushes 2A @ 5V , this is pretty much for a battery of 4Ah, I know from my batteries ( AA AAA and others) that the charging current should be max. 1/3 of the capacity of battery.
So my question is: IS it better to charge it with the Samsung Galaxy S2 charger which provides only 0,[email protected],1V ?
It would last app. 6h to charge it till its full ( can be done over night, hopefully the charger wont melt)....
What do you think about that? Woul it harm to battery(li poly) to do it with small current?
cheers
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OK, electronics 101, chargers DO NOT PUSH power to a a battery, 2 AMPS is the chargers MAXIMUM OUTPUT, the device plugged to the charger PULLS what it wants (up to a maximum of 2A of current) so it can charge in a reasonable amount of time, you may be able to charge your tablet with a lower output charger but all it would do is take longer to charge (if the charger even had the power output greater then the static draw of the device), which is why most tablets simply CANNOT be charged by the USB 2.0 port on a computer or other small .5 A output chargers. You may very well charge while generating less heat, because of the slower charge cycle using the .7A S2 charger, but at the same time if you try to use the tablet while it's charging on the smaller charger it may very well drop in battery percentage as the smaller charger may not be enough to maintain the current requirements to charge the battery and run the device.
So in short, would charging with the smaller charger harm the battery, NO, but if it is enough to actually charge the device it will take atleast DOUBLE the amount of time to recharge as it would with the regular 2A charger.
I have ordered a Moto G from England (GSM global version I presume), and while I am waiting for it to arrive, I would like your advice on what kind of wall charger to buy that would be optimal for the phone charge recommendations since my knowledge on the issue is very minimal.
I read somewhere that Motorola recommends between 0.5 - 1.5A , but that doesn't really tell me anything.
I have an old Samsing galaxy SII. Can I use the charger of the Galaxy for the Moto G? The output is 0.7A
As you said, any charger where the output is not too high (I recommend below 2a or below 2,5 to not stress the battery.
Conclusion: your samsung charger should work perfectly!
Edit: if you experience bad/not so good battery life (I did after update to kitkat), let your phone drain completely (shuts down) and recharge it to 100% and leave plugged in like 30-1h after it reached 100%.
But don't do this too often as it will harm your battery over time.
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As you said, any charger where the output is not too high (I recommend below 2a or below 2,5 to not stress the battery.
Conclusion: your samsung charger should work perfectly!
Edit: if you experience bad/not so good battery life (I did after update to kitkat), let your phone drain completely (shuts down) and recharge it to 100% and leave plugged in like 30-1h after it reached 100%.
But don't do this too often as it will harm your battery over time.
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Thanks. With 0.7 output would the charge be slow or fast?
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As you said, any charger where the output is not too high (I recommend below 2a or below 2,5 to not stress the battery.
Conclusion: your samsung charger should work perfectly!
Edit: if you experience bad/not so good battery life (I did after update to kitkat), let your phone drain completely (shuts down) and recharge it to 100% and leave plugged in like 30-1h after it reached 100%.
But don't do this too often as it will harm your battery over time.
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Using a charger over 2A doesn't stress the battery because the Moto G limits the current to 1.5A.
It says so right here : https://motorola-global-portal.cus...prod_answer_detail/a_id/97318/p/30,6720,9050
”Any Motorola charger with the correct micro-USB tip will charge your Moto*G. You will see the best results when the output of the charger is between 500 mA and 1.5 A. The higher the output, the faster your Moto G*will charge.
If your charger output is higher, the MOTO G will automatically restrict the charging rate. If your charger is lower, it will simply take longer to reach a full charge.”
I use my nexus 7 2A charger daily and it charges noticeably faster than my 1A HTC charger and is as Motorola stated, perfectly safe.
A 0.7A charger would charge pretty slow!
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Just under 3hrs for a 0% to 100% charge with a .75 A charger for me.
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Im using a HTC charger i already had which is rated at 1a ,seems to be working fine.
my 0.5A from 20% to 100% ~3 hours. When charging from less than 20%, I often put my phone to aeroplane mode and get ~3 hours of charging too
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Using a charger over 2A doesn't stress the battery because the Moto G limits the current to 1.5A.
It says so right here : https://motorola-global-portal.cus...prod_answer_detail/a_id/97318/p/30,6720,9050
”Any Motorola charger with the correct micro-USB tip will charge your Moto*G. You will see the best results when the output of the charger is between 500 mA and 1.5 A. The higher the output, the faster your Moto G*will charge.
If your charger output is higher, the MOTO G will automatically restrict the charging rate. If your charger is lower, it will simply take longer to reach a full charge.”
I use my nexus 7 2A charger daily and it charges noticeably faster than my 1A HTC charger and is as Motorola stated, perfectly safe.
A 0.7A charger would charge pretty slow!
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Many thanks. Could you recommend me on a good and not expensive charger that would do the job and charge it fast?
Since I dont live in the US, amazon is kind of useless to me since there are very few items they ship outside the US, so eBay would be a better option. I just dont want to buy something crappy
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Many thanks. Could you recommend me on a good and not expensive charger that would do the job and charge it fast?
Since I dont live in the US, amazon is kind of useless to me since there are very few items they ship outside the US, so eBay would be a better option. I just dont want to buy something crappy
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I use a Blackberry branded 0.75mah micro usb charger which works well as does my Samsung Galaxy Tab2 which is 2amp charges nicely too.
I found an older HTC usb 0.7 charger did not work at all well for some reason.
charger doesn't push power, phone draws power, as long as you have the right voltage you are good
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charger doesn't push power, phone draws power, as long as you have the right voltage you are good
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Indeed but I've found some chargers vary for example my Samsung 2amp Galaxy Tab2 charger will not charge my Moto Defy+ phone, it sits there forever doing very little but the Moto G is fine with it. Probably due to the Defy+ only drawing 500mah and the Galaxy charger sees this as undercurrent and doesn't output whereas the MotoG can demand up to 1500mAh current which the Galaxy charger sees as acceptable and supplies the current.
I'd avoid any of the super cheap nasty Chinese crap chargers that seem very poorly built, unstable and potentially a death trap.
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Indeed but I've found some chargers vary for example my Samsung 2amp Galaxy Tab2 charger will not charge my Moto Defy+ phone, it sits there forever doing very little but the Moto G is fine with it. Probably due to the Defy+ only drawing 500mah and the Galaxy charger sees this as undercurrent and doesn't output whereas the MotoG can demand up to 1500mAh current which the Galaxy charger sees as acceptable and supplies the current.
I'd avoid any of the super cheap nasty Chinese crap chargers that seem very poorly built, unstable and potentially a death trap.
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Sorry I meant to quote the advice above that said don't get something with too large a current.
Absolutely avoid cheap chargers, burnt home totally not worth the savings. The hp chargers left from the time they used to make tablets are pretty good actually, tested with an oscilloscope
I dont want a crappy cheap Chinese charger. Thats why I am asking for a recommendation. I have a nexus 7 2013 and the output is 2A. I assume I can use it also to charge the Moto G?
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I dont want a crappy cheap Chinese charger. Thats why I am asking for a recommendation. I have a nexus 7 2013 and the output is 2A. I assume I can use it also to charge the Moto G?
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That should be fine
That's funny hey, the Australian version comes with USB cable wall charger and Motorola headset. This is the XT1033 variant.
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I use my nexus 7 2A charger daily and it charges noticeably faster than my 1A HTC charger and is as Motorola stated, perfectly safe.
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I'm curious, is your 2A charger for a 2012 Nexus 7? Because I also plan to use my 2012 Nexus 7 charger on my Moto G, which is coming next week. How quickly does it charge the Moto G?
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I'm curious, is your 2A charger for a 2012 Nexus 7? Because I also plan to use my 2012 Nexus 7 charger on my Moto G, which is coming next week. How quickly does it charge the Moto G?
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Yeah my nexus 7 is a 2012 model also, works just fine and charges really fast. I'll stopwatch my next recharge and report.
Edit: It charges from 10% to 100% in 2 hours with my nexus 7 2012 2A charger while incidentally using it.
Next charge I'll try my HTC 1A charger to monitor the difference
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2 hours 10 minutes from 0% to 100% with 1A charger
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It charges from 10% to 100% in 2 hours with my nexus 7 2012 2A charger while incidentally using it.
Next charge I'll try my HTC 1A charger to monitor the difference
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Great, thanks for finding out!
I have a charger from Htc Explorer with this specification Input: 100-240v~200mA 50/60hz / Output: 5V-1A , and don't seems to work very well, is normal???
Thanks in advance
Got my new moto g yesterday and its damn good but the thing that frustrates me is the charging, I got a charger with 550mA output and it takes about 4 hours to charge from scratch. I am thinking to buy a new charger and read somewhere that the max cap is of a 1.5A power supply, I need to know how much power supply should I have for maximum battery years. Should it be 1.5A or my current charger or something in between like 1200mA. Thanks in advance.
It really depends on the electronics circuit inside the moto g and also on the one in the battery.Motorola says max recommended is 1,5Ah.I`m using an HTC charger (the old ones) with 1Ah / 5V rating , its charging it for about 2hrs.Also tried with Sony 880 charger (1,5Ah, and it took ~1hr and 30 min.But what I can tell you is that if the charger is high quality one, they all follow the 2( 3 ) step charging in a nice parabola.
If I were you , I would have gotten something with higher amps, like at least 0,9-1,2 at least, cos waiting 4hrs for it to charge is a pain, otherwise it wont be a problem for the batter at all.
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It really depends on the electronics circuit inside the moto g and also on the one in the battery.Motorola says max recommended is 1,5Ah.I`m using an HTC charger (the old ones) with 1Ah / 5V rating , its charging it for about 2hrs.Also tried with Sony 880 charger (1,5Ah, and it took ~1hr and 30 min.But what I can tell you is that if the charger is high quality one, they all follow the 2( 3 ) step charging in a nice parabola.
If I were you , I would have gotten something with higher amps, like at least 0,9-1,2 at least, cos waiting 4hrs for it to charge is a pain, otherwise it wont be a problem for the batter at all.
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A slow charge is likely to be best for overall battery longevity so as a balance I'd go for something around the 1amp mark. I use a .75a Blackberry Charger - takes 3hrs to fully charge from empty.
Anyome using a 2A charger instead of a turbo charger?
Like a samsung 2A charger
Or a 2A power bank?
Any issues?
Because 1150 mah is too slow
I was also wondering this.I tried it with my 2,4a ipad charger once and it was charging twice as fast, but i dont know if this is good for the phone. Using the normal charger again to be sure.
With normal 1.2A charger, it takes almost 3+ hours for my phone to fully charge. I used my Galaxy Note 10 charger which is 2A and it got charged in 2 hours. I read it in the forums that even with 2A charger, we cant take the advantage of turbo charging as it will need a charger of 2.4A.
I dont know how 0.4A will make a difference but still, my knowledge is limited in this case and wouldnt want to comment on it.
The charger has to be Qualcomm QC 2.0 certified (that's a specification) to take advantage of the turbo charge mode. The amps put out by the charger is kind of secondary in this situation as the charger and phone both need to be "talking on the same page" i.e. QC 2.0
At that point (charger is QC 2.0) the special circuitry kicks in and goes into turbo mode. So its a little more involved than just throwing more amps at the phone. If you google Qualcomm QC 2.0 specification then it will give you a better idea of what it is all about.
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Turbo charging steps up to 9v and 12v depending on what wattage the phone can handle.
I think our phones are 15w and the Style is 20w or so.
I can't get my phone to charge faster with a 2amp charger though, only my turbo charger.
I used digitech 2.4amp charge ans works like a charm superb....
It isn't causing any issues? Like battery degradation?
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I've been using my Moto turbo charger every night for a couple weeks now and haven't noticed any issues. The phone doesn't seem to let the battery get over 35'C when its charging, so I don't imagine it'll damage the battery.
Think I may get a car charger soon, sometimes I forget to charge at night so it'd be cool to get a full charge on the drive in.
Battery will very likely not last as long when doing fast charging always compared to "normal" charges
Any fact to back that claim?
Im using a Belkin 2.1A charger, no problems whatsoever.
So what's conclusion is it safe to use 2a charger without doing damage to battery
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So what's conclusion is it safe to use 2a charger without doing damage to battery
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I'm using a 3a charger and it's fine
You can't harm a battery with a higher amperage output charger. The phone will only consume what it is able to. If the voltage was higher (excluding quick charge adapters) then yes that will do damage, but that's a strange situation as no charger should do that unless it's quick charge.
That being said, on hand I do have a feeling that quick charge can actually do long term damage if used a lot but on the other hand, it seems to limit the maximum temperature to around 38'C. Above 40'C can cause irreversible damage to the cell. I'm using a car charger now and when the phone is in use, it gets up to around 38 or 39 and it cuts back on the charging current.
Interesting article explaining Qualcomm, fast charge, turbo charge using all the same technique under different names. They all use the same Qualcomm technique.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...-need-to-know-about-charging-your-smartphone/
I have a basic cheap qi charger I used with my last phone, never had an issue. With my Mi 10 Ultra it only charges correctly like 1/10 times when I place it down on the charger. The weird thing is it shows it's charging, the pad and phone get warm which means electricity is flowing somehow, but the phone drops in battery instead of charging... I don't even know what to say or do. Kind of tempted to buy that 55w wireless charger though.
I had a similar issue but found that I had a few stock apps going in the background draining the battery quicker than it could charge (it was a cheap low wattage charger). Force closed the apps and killed a couple of processes and it steadily increased. Not ideal but I took that as a sign of using a cheap wireless charger.
Still on the stock chinese Rom until I get out of unlock jail so if you're on the EU Rom this might not help.
I bought the 55W wireless charger with my phone and it's brilliant.
I tested my previous Samsung 15w wireless charger & Huawei 15w charger with the Ultra and the charging speed was a trickle (according to Accubattery app) and near unusable on the phone so will probably go for the Xiaomi 55w charger from Aliexpress which some sellers seem to be offering the 65w charging brick with.
Will sell the 2 chargers I have whci should pay for the replacement
Does anyone have a source other than aliexpress/baba for the 55w wireless charger? I don't want to wait over a month for it.
Eh... I found other sites where it cost more and took longer to ship. I decided the fastest way to get it was to buy it from the fastest shipping seller on aliexpress and not delay any more
mine seems to have stopped saying fast charging when using my wireless charger, possibly since moving to the EU rom.
Just as proof this phone has something fundamentally wrong with its Qi charging compatibility, the charger only draws 2-3w from the wall when it's not working right. It uses 8+ when it's charging right. That's not the charger. The phone is doing something wrong.
2-3w appears to be what it draws when it's doing the detection algorithm to make sure it's compatible and will accept a charge. It does the same thing on my old s20+ but then goes up in wattage when it's actually charging to 9+.
I am using the 20W wireless car charger together with the 55W wireless charger (with 65watt GAN charger), and both of them works fine and fast. Just to beware that the car wireless charger is quite heavy and may stress your AC vents.
Something has definitely changed since moving to the EU rom. On the CN rom, it would activate the fan in my Huawei charger and say fast charging, now no fan and no fast charging.
Have you added it as a bug on the EU forum. It's ok noting it here but it needs to go on the bugs list to be noticed