One thing I've found tremendously rare when it comes to ROM development is the use of PIE when only in Expanded Desktop/Immersive mode.
Most ROM's here offering PIE and Expanded desktop allow you enable both at the same time, but don't allow you to toggle PIE on only when in Immersive Mode.
The only rom so far i've found is PA.
So why is it that all these roms are bundling PIE, like SlimPie, but are making it so even in expanded desktop, the navbar buttons are still visible and pie doesn't take over?
To me this feels like common sense, or is the case that most people don't like pie, or don't bother expanding their desktop?
All the ROMs that include pie allow you to expand the desktop and remove the nav keys. Slim does for sure. SlimPIE is how PIE used to be when it was first developed by the PA team (pre-4.4).
PA first developed PIE, years ago. Since then Android has come such a long way that the use of PIE and its implementation has also evolved into something useful, when its needed. For instance, android never had "immersive mode" before 4.4, so initially PIE was thereto allow more use of your screen's real estate.
Some people liked how it was (see PA 3.99, which is not on the Nexus 5 because it's based on Jellybean), and for those SlimPIE and all the other ROMs that include it are there to use, but it's an old way of thinking and the PA team is about innovation.
Of course you can read about all this somewhere, I don't have a link though, I just remember cause I been around a while.
I am using AOSP rom with gravity box. What I do is enable PIE, then the immers mode only hide statusbar. Then I set every diemnsion of the navbar to 0 px (width, height), because if I disable navbar the three dot menu button disappears from the apps. I set immersmode to only hide statusbar because in full immers if I swipe up from the bottom to activates PIE then the statusbar becomes visible which I do not want.
Dodgexander said:
One thing I've found tremendously rare when it comes to ROM development is the use of PIE when only in Expanded Desktop/Immersive mode.
Most ROM's here offering PIE and Expanded desktop allow you enable both at the same time, but don't allow you to toggle PIE on only when in Immersive Mode.
The only rom so far i've found is PA.
So why is it that all these roms are bundling PIE, like SlimPie, but are making it so even in expanded desktop, the navbar buttons are still visible and pie doesn't take over?
To me this feels like common sense, or is the case that most people don't like pie, or don't bother expanding their desktop?
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I totally agree. I have no idea why ROMs that have Pie do not automatically switch to Pie when going into Immersive Mode. Everything is supposed to be about ease of use and swiping up to unhide the navbar and then touch the screen again to press a button is silly IMO. Also if you happen to be on a scrollable list or in an app with an up swipe gesture many times it'll trigger that too.
Anyways this can be accomplished on SlimKat using Chamber of Secrets. Someone had created a profile to be imported into Tasker on the thread.
littleguevara said:
All the ROMs that include pie allow you to expand the desktop and remove the nav keys. Slim does for sure. SlimPIE is how PIE used to be when it was first developed by the PA team (pre-4.4).
PA first developed PIE, years ago. Since then Android has come such a long way that the use of PIE and its implementation has also evolved into something useful, when its needed. For instance, android never had "immersive mode" before 4.4, so initially PIE was thereto allow more use of your screen's real estate.
Some people liked how it was (see PA 3.99, which is not on the Nexus 5 because it's based on Jellybean), and for those SlimPIE and all the other ROMs that include it are there to use, but it's an old way of thinking and the PA team is about innovation.
Of course you can read about all this somewhere, I don't have a link though, I just remember cause I been around a while.
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Thanks for explaining this, it makes sense. I wish roms had the latest version of PIE instead, if not, I wish they added an option to simply disable nav bar instead of pie when you set both to appear bottom of screen. Unlike current behaviour which is to disable pie at bottom when navbar is also at bottom.
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I am using AOSP rom with gravity box. What I do is enable PIE, then the immers mode only hide statusbar. Then I set every diemnsion of the navbar to 0 px (width, height), because if I disable navbar the three dot menu button disappears from the apps. I set immersmode to only hide statusbar because in full immers if I swipe up from the bottom to activates PIE then the statusbar becomes visible which I do not want.
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If I understand right, doesn't this mean that you have to use pie regardless of immersive mode or not? I am looking to have it toggle on when immersive is on and off when immersive is off.
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I totally agree. I have no idea why ROMs that have Pie do not automatically switch to Pie when going into Immersive Mode. Everything is supposed to be about ease of use and swiping up to unhide the navbar and then touch the screen again to press a button is silly IMO. Also if you happen to be on a scrollable list or in an app with an up swipe gesture many times it'll trigger that too.
Anyways this can be accomplished on SlimKat using Chamber of Secrets. Someone had created a profile to be imported into Tasker on the thread.
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A profile for tasker that automates toggling nav bar off and pie on, only when in immersive mode and then nav bar on again and pei off when out of immersive mode?
I am just glad PA has what I want and even better now with Peek and Hover being added too. But I do miss simple things from other roms, such as certain toggles, dpi changes etc. Although ive managed to find apps/widgets to replace those functionalities. I simply opened the thread because I thought it was rather strange.
Dodgexander said:
A profile for tasker that automates toggling nav bar off and pie on, only when in immersive mode and then nav bar on again and pei off when out of immersive mode?
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Yes. It reads a system intent and then changes to Pie based on the system ui change. I don't have mine set up like that personally. I only use Expanded mode on certain apps or when the phone is in landscape mode on certain apps, etc. and have profiles set to kill the nav bar and enable expanded desktop mode. I just always leave bottom pie enabled and once the navbar is removed pie comes into play. Works perfectly.
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Yes. It reads a system intent and then changes to Pie based on the system ui change. I don't have mine set up like that personally. I only use Expanded mode on certain apps or when the phone is in landscape mode on certain apps, etc. and have profiles set to kill the nav bar and enable expanded desktop mode. I just always leave bottom pie enabled and once the navbar is removed pie comes into play. Works perfectly.
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That is true, because of the way PIE is disabled when Nav Bar exists, it means you shouldn't have to have an option to disable PIE also when you leave Immersive.
I just wish every rom had an option to enable PIE action to copy PA
Exactly, you'll find while other ROMs have a ton of features, PAs is the most elegant implementation. It may take a little longer cause they're rewriting everything from scratch but it'll be well worth it..as is evidenced by this latest release.
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What happened to the idea of using PIE only when Immersive mode/expanded desktop is activated?
Back on 4.4 AOSPA had this option and it was perfect, when an app was set in immersive you had pie controls, when it wasn't, you had the navbar. No silly delays waiting for Navbar and Statusbar to appear whilst in Immersive/expanded desktop.
Why don't we see this anymore? Is it too difficult to develop? This was a major thing for me as it makes navigation far easier when using Immersive mode.
Hi All,
This is my first time using 1+ and noticed that I can't change the nav bar color. I tried to use the NavBar app on the playstore, but the setting doesn't stick for home screen using Nova. Anyone know how to change it?
Would also like to know. Sometimes it's dark, sometimes it's light. Hate the inconsistency!
I'd rather just have it be black all the time until they can add fast app switching and swiping up on the right side for recents as options to gestures.
It appears they have made the default navbar colour white, which is incredibly annoying.
Guys, use gestures options! The only missing feature with gestures is the lack of fast switching to the latest recent app, yes...
Elpatii said:
Guys, use gestures options! The only missing feature with gestures is the lack of fast switching to the latest recent app, yes...
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"Just use the device in a different manner" is not a valid response to "I'd prefer the ability to x".
Newb here, it's always white and ugly. How to do it no root?
You need to root then install Xposed then in Xposed search BlackNavigationBar
Download the app called Navbar apps
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Newb here, it's always white and ugly. How to do it no root?
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I strongly recommend removing the navigation bar all together and enable gestures, at least try it. I liked it so much I cant go back to nav bars again
SysAdmNj said:
I strongly recommend removing the navigation bar all together and enable gestures, at least try it. I liked it so much I cant go back to nav bars again
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Gestures are trash. Tried for a week
Meizu did it best years ago.
Navbar apps is CLOSE to working (not great) and I do NOT want to root. All that does is lead to problems. We need OP to add system level control over navbar color, that would be awesome (if possible)
I use navbar while trying also to get used to gestures.
It does not need root, BTW. And it has some nice customisations. But sometimes, it gets forgotten, and the customisations don't apply (Which often resolves after a few moments but it just means it's not perfect).
There is also a module that can detect when keyboard is open, so you can choose a keyboard appropriate colour, rather than in apps like Facebook having bright white navbar against my material dark themed keyboard.
Gestures could be quite nice, but I need more control of them. For example, I find the home gesture and back gestures get mixed up sometimes. I would rather have one side of the phone dedicated to home (right side, until about 25% from the edge) and the rest to act as back.
Also, I still have some apps that use menu button, which, with buttons, can be mapped to long press recent tasks, but has no equivalent gesture. It could have a similar gesture to how you get to recent apps, but from the back button side. It would keep the gesture logic and adds a function that works in certain contexts.
Until gestures have the controls I need, I will continue using navbar. Coming from an Honor phone, it's really great that it works, even if it sometimes forgets to activate. (Huawei's os has this magical way to overwrite any customisations that the user might like).
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Also the hide the nav bar option gives you transparent nav bar.
intruda119 said:
Gestures are trash. Tried for a week
Meizu did it best years ago.
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correct. I don't understand why OnePlus didn't do it like that instead.
f you have Xposed Systemless and Magisk installed (requires root and an unlocked bootloader obviously, also assuming this is for the Oneplus 5, 5T, or 6) install the Xposed Module "BlackNavigation Bar for Oneplus 5T, Oneplus 6" by yuanwofei. Works great and makes it black instead.
On the 8T, if you enable the setting to hide the navbar, it makes it so that you have to swipe up and then left/right to switch to an app instead of just swiping left/right directly. This is incredibly annoying, and I want to be able to just hide the navbar while keeping the original gestures.
https://github.com/Magisk-Modules-Repo/HideNavBar
Does the Fullscreen/Immersive Gesture magisk mod work on the 8T? On the github repo it says that immersive mode doesn't work on Oxygen, but I saw some threads mentioning it does so I'm a bit confused. Has anyone tried this?
Or, is there any other way to hide the bar? I also read this post that mentions a way to hide the navbar so you can use a third party gesture system. Is it possible to get an app that replicates the system swipe gestures after hiding the navbar, or do you have to use FNG for it?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/how-to-remove-nav-bar-in-android-11.4190469/
I hate how the navbar looks and how useless it becomes when you hide it and I'm THIS CLOSE to switching to a Samsung because they can easily disable it on root
When you turn on gesture navigation, the navigation bar goes away.
Anyways, that Magisk module removes the nav bar on OOS.
On my OnePlus phone (8T), if you enable the setting to hide the gesture pill navbar, it makes it so that in order to switch apps, you have to swipe up and then left/right to switch to an app instead of just swiping left/right directly. This is incredibly annoying, and I want to be able to just hide the navbar while keeping the original gestures.
https://github.com/Magisk-Modules-Repo/HideNavBar
Does the Fullscreen/Immersive Gesture magisk mod work on the 8T? On the github repo it says that immersive mode doesn't work on Oxygen, but I saw some threads mentioning it does so I'm a bit confused. Has anyone tried this?
Or, is there any other way to hide the bar? I also read this post that mentions a way to hide the navbar so you can use a third party gesture system. Is it possible to get an app that replicates the system swipe gestures after hiding the navbar, or do you have to use FNG for it?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/how-to-remove-nav-bar-in-android-11.4190469/
I hate how the navbar looks and how useless it becomes when you hide it and I'm THIS CLOSE to switching to a Samsung because they can easily disable it on root
XenonXYZ said:
On my OnePlus phone (8T), if you enable the setting to hide the gesture pill navbar, it makes it so that in order to switch apps, you have to swipe up and then left/right to switch to an app instead of just swiping left/right directly. This is incredibly annoying, and I want to be able to just hide the navbar while keeping the original gestures.
https://github.com/Magisk-Modules-Repo/HideNavBar
Does the Fullscreen/Immersive Gesture magisk mod work on the 8T? On the github repo it says that immersive mode doesn't work on Oxygen, but I saw some threads mentioning it does so I'm a bit confused. Has anyone tried this?
Or, is there any other way to hide the bar? I also read this post that mentions a way to hide the navbar so you can use a third party gesture system. Is it possible to get an app that replicates the system swipe gestures after hiding the navbar, or do you have to use FNG for it?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/how-to-remove-nav-bar-in-android-11.4190469/
I hate how the navbar looks and how useless it becomes when you hide it and I'm THIS CLOSE to switching to a Samsung because they can easily disable it on root
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I could probably make you a module to get rid of it by editing your services.jar. I believe your native gestures would still work.