Hey everyone. So I would like to bring you some discussion here about on what the future holds for our HTC Desire S when it respects to the official HTC support.
The main question here is, what do you think that HTC will do with the Desire S? Will they bring ICS to it? Will they try to be soft and bring just Sense 3.5? Or is our Desire S done and no more updates will come? It would be quite interesting to see what everyone thinks that may happen in the next few months
i doubt very much we will see anymore major official updates ,just maye a few revisions.htc support there phones pretty badly tbh,and as much as i love my desire s and this community i doubt very much i would purchase another one of the htc phones as it will carry on the same legacy i expect .
I think HTC will do nothing. They can't support all the phones they released which is why they've decided to take it slow
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I hope that HTC is still going to release an ICS update for Desire S, but that's probably false hope. HTC has released too many phones (about 5 different versions of the Sensation?) to provide support for every phone. They will just concentrate on the higher-end models, which unfortunately the Desire S isn't. Luckily there is a great community working hard to provide us with future updates
The current/typical market trend IS to take advantage of the thirst for the bleeding-edge OS and the cutting-edge hardware, and as businesses, they'd be mugs for not exploiting that. There is no way HTC had any serious plans for giving the Desire S official ICS ROM. However...
They (HTC) have gotten the balance wrong this year and they know it. Too much quantity, not enough quality. Sooner or later, even the rich kids will get fed up of being 'expected' to upgrade a handset every 8 months to stay 'on trend'.
At least HTC seem to have taken note of this...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/26/htcs-uk-ceo-wants-to-ease-off-the-new-product-gas-focus-on-am/
Don't forget the original Desire did eventually (through popular demand) get an official gingerbread update, just that HTC never designed the phone's hardware to cope with the increased size of the OS over Froyo. So disclaimers were required should we then complain that there were only enough room for 10 apps once 2.3.3 was installed!
But on the flip-side this is why you chose Android. This is why you chose XDA. You want something that comes out of the box, and gives you the opportunity to improve it in your own way, to your own liking. To take the initiative. We almost need HTC to drop the ball so we can pick it up and run with it.
The day a stock Android phone comes out of the box perfect to everyone's needs for years after its purchase will be a sad day for XDA.
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The current/typical market trend IS to take advantage of the thirst for the bleeding-edge OS and the cutting-edge hardware, and as businesses, they'd be mugs for not exploiting that. There is no way HTC had any serious plans for giving the Desire S official ICS ROM. However...
They (HTC) have gotten the balance wrong this year and they know it. Too much quantity, not enough quality. Sooner or later, even the rich kids will get fed up of being 'expected' to upgrade a handset every 8 months to stay 'on trend'.
At least HTC seem to have taken note of this...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/26/htcs-uk-ceo-wants-to-ease-off-the-new-product-gas-focus-on-am/
Don't forget the original Desire did eventually (through popular demand) get an official gingerbread update, just that HTC never designed the phone's hardware to cope with the increased size of the OS over Froyo. So disclaimers were required should we then complain that there were only enough room for 10 apps once 2.3.3 was installed!
But on the flip-side this is why you chose Android. This is why you chose XDA. You want something that comes out of the box, and gives you the opportunity to improve it in your own way, to your own liking. To take the initiative. We almost need HTC to drop the ball so we can pick it up and run with it.
The day a stock Android phone comes out of the box perfect to everyone's needs for years after its purchase will be a sad day for XDA.
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what he said..... hit the nail on the head with that one
Fair enough, I would have believed HTC if they released a official statement about Desire S not meeting hardware requirements.
However, hearing that the Sensation XL is receiving ICS really got me annoyed. It proves the hardware is capable.
The XL is almost identical to us, apart from the OC'ed chip, and thats getting ICS.
I don't see why we can't get the upgrade.
Where is HTC's announcement of the second wave of devices that are getting ICS too? We are still yet to hear from them.
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Sorry, i wasn't suggesting that the desire s couldn't cope. I'm pretty sure it could. Just saying that in my opinion it's unlikely HTC will be in a hurry to stop us buying more handsets, and it will be good to see what the devs here manage to port for us.
This week a friend asked me what he should upgrade to this march. He has an old desire, and isn't a heavy user. Not interested in dual cores or massive screens. I looked at all the options and it was still the desire s or the Xperia Ray.
The only reason i recommended the xperia ray was because he HAS to have a Vodafone upgrade. Vodafone's stock ROM on the desire s has that ludicrous 'pocket mode' forced on, and you can't turn it off. 8 hours battery life max. My dad ended up sending his back for that reason. He wouldn't let me root it!
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Sorry, i wasn't suggesting that the desire s couldn't cope. I'm pretty sure it could. Just saying that in my opinion it's unlikely HTC will be in a hurry to stop us buying more handsets, and it will be good to see what the devs here manage to port for us.
This week a friend asked me what he should upgrade to this march. He has an old desire, and isn't a heavy user. Not interested in dual cores or massive screens. I looked at all the options and it was still the desire s or the Xperia Ray.
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No mate, I wasn't ranting at you
I was criticizing HTC for their poor decision. If the XL is getting ICS, we should get it. We have the same specs.
Heck, even the 2010 phone, Desire HD has near identical specs as the XL. Even that, should get ICS..
Silly move by HTC.
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Fair enough, I would have believed HTC if they released a official statement about Desire S not meeting hardware requirements.
However, hearing that the Sensation XL is receiving ICS really got me annoyed. It proves the hardware is capable.
The XL is almost identical to us, apart from the OC'ed chip, and thats getting ICS.
I don't see why we can't get the upgrade.
Where is HTC's announcement of the second wave of devices that are getting ICS too? We are still yet to hear from them.
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HTC has done many contradictions in the past and sometimes they had to go back in what they said.
First when the Sensation came out people asked if Sense 3.0 would come to older devices then HTC quickly stated that older devices could not run it due to hardware restrictions. Then they released the HTC Rhyme with !GHz CPU and 768MB of RAM running even newer version Sense 3.5. So HTC gave us Sense 3.0 as it was evident that it could run it.
After that we had the Desire 2.3 update. HTC telling people the phone didn't have enough memory for Gingerbread and they had just released the Wildfire S with even worse hardware running Gingerbread from start. So HTC gave people with Desire the 2.3 update.
Then now with ICS. It is obvious that the Desire S can run it (Nexus S...) but with Sense over it and HTC's hesitations over support may lead to no update.
My theory is that when a phone is released it has to be updated to at least one version of Android. The Desire S came out with 2.3 from start so we can believe that it will come to ICS. We will get the answer when HTC reveals the second wave of updates to us.
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HTC has done many contradictions in the past and sometimes they had to go back in what they said.
First when the Sensation came out people asked if Sense 3.0 would come to older devices then HTC quickly stated that older devices could not run it due to hardware restrictions. Then they released the HTC Rhyme with !GHz CPU and 768MB of RAM running even newer version Sense 3.5. So HTC gave us Sense 3.0 as it was evident that it could run it.
After that we had the Desire 2.3 update. HTC telling people the phone didn't have enough memory for Gingerbread and they had just released the Wildfire S with even worse hardware running Gingerbread from start. So HTC gave people with Desire the 2.3 update.
Then now with ICS. It is obvious that the Desire S can run it (Nexus S...) but with Sense over it and HTC's hesitations over support may lead to no update.
My theory is that when a phone is released it has to be updated to at least one version of Android. The Desire S came out with 2.3 from start so we can believe that it will come to ICS. We will get the answer when HTC reveals the second wave of updates to us.
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Very good explanation!
I really do hope that's the case!
I think the DHD is a lucky device... It started with 2.2, got 2.3.3 + New sense 2.1, then another update to 2.3.5 + sense 3.0. If we get ICS, the DHD will have to get ICS (same specs). I don't think HTC want to give the dhd anymore updates
So HTC might choose not to give us ICS for that reason otherwise they would also have to update the DHD.
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Very good explanation!
I really do hope that's the case!
I think the DHD is a lucky device... It started with 2.2, got 2.3.3 + New sense 2.1, then another update to 2.3.5 + sense 3.0. If we get ICS, the DHD will have to get ICS (same specs). I don't think HTC want to give the dhd anymore updates
So HTC might choose not to give us ICS for that reason otherwise they would also have to update the DHD.
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I may be wrong, but my feeling is that all devices from Desire HD and Desire Z and later will receive the update. The Desire HD was the top phone for HTC of it's time and I don't think HTC will kill it if they decide to give Desire S the update.
The only question here is the all mighty Sense UI and that is HTC's fault because they built a so deeply integrated UI. Honestly I can live without the 3D transitions as ICS actually has its own ones. It will up to what HTC will do with Sense UI.
Dont know about you guys but HTC has always been keep-the-customer-in-dark with Desire S. IMHO I dont know why they do it... I mean it came with sense 2.1 and 2.3 when I bought. After a while some patches and fotas were there but when we got sense 3.0 it was some guys phone which got updated made the news not a disclosure or say news by HTC that its been updated and which makes my geeky mind cheer in the doubt of my mind that we may recieve ICS officially
Now about the thing that here are devs that are doing a hard job to get ICS on ours and imo they have been succesful as in there-was-no-way-but-they-did-it successful. But think if theres an official update what might happen then? I am no dev or **** but as I understand that would made works on other roms ports a heck lot easier...
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I may be wrong, but my feeling is that all devices from Desire HD and Desire Z and later will receive the update. The Desire HD was the top phone for HTC of it's time and I don't think HTC will kill it if they decide to give Desire S the update.
The only question here is the all mighty Sense UI and that is HTC's fault because they built a so deeply integrated UI. Honestly I can live without the 3D transitions as ICS actually has its own ones. It will up to what HTC will do with Sense UI.
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Good explanation, but keep in mind, the Desire Z did not receive the official Sense 3.0 update.
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olyloh6696 said:
Fair enough, I would have believed HTC if they released a official statement about Desire S not meeting hardware requirements.
However, hearing that the Sensation XL is receiving ICS really got me annoyed. It proves the hardware is capable.
The XL is almost identical to us, apart from the OC'ed chip, and thats getting ICS.
I don't see why we can't get the upgrade.
Where is HTC's announcement of the second wave of devices that are getting ICS too? We are still yet to hear from them.
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This is pretty sad, if HTC won't upgrade our Desire S to ICS. I mean, Sony Ericsson has announced and committed to ICS upgrades for their 2011 lineup--and those have the same chipsets as our Desire S! SE's flagship for last year, the Xperia Arc, was launched around the same time frame as our Desire S, with virtually the same Qualcomm chipset. No way HTC can use that excuse, and they know it.
18 months is not yet up for this phone, so if Google is right, we should expect support/updates till around September or so of 2012. As much as I dislike Sense, HTC ought to be ashamed of itself if they won't give us ICS. I can imagine they're in a bind, because they are compelled to give us ICS, but don't want us playing around with the ICS'ed Sense 4.0 and would rather have us get newer, more expensive 4 inch slabs
Come on, HTC. Gain some goodwill among us. Roll out ICS and the latest Sense. You know it makes Sense
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Sony Ericsson has announced and committed to ICS upgrades for their 2011 lineup
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That's the way to go, but just as always magic will not happen and HTC Desire S probably will not get ICS update because of that politic, meanwhile Sony Ericsson goes more democratical way and releases updates for customers, not only "top list'' customers as HTC do. I respect HTC, but the point how they sorts updates by devices is to drastic, just too painful for user like us, who knows what their device is able to do, but they simply do not feed it. To be honest, if HTC Desire S will get official ICS update, then it will mean that HTC is changing their political statement and magic is happening.
You guys havent read the internal leak that confirmed ICS for desire s?
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You guys havent read the internal leak that confirmed ICS for desire s?
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dude, our posts are from days before the leak came out
But thanks for the effort I guess there will hopefully be a strong future for us!
wnp_79 said:
The current/typical market trend IS to take advantage of the thirst for the bleeding-edge OS and the cutting-edge hardware, and as businesses, they'd be mugs for not exploiting that. There is no way HTC had any serious plans for giving the Desire S official ICS ROM. However...
They (HTC) have gotten the balance wrong this year and they know it. Too much quantity, not enough quality. Sooner or later, even the rich kids will get fed up of being 'expected' to upgrade a handset every 8 months to stay 'on trend'.
At least HTC seem to have taken note of this...
Don't forget the original Desire did eventually (through popular demand) get an official gingerbread update, just that HTC never designed the phone's hardware to cope with the increased size of the OS over Froyo. So disclaimers were required should we then complain that there were only enough room for 10 apps once 2.3.3 was installed!
But on the flip-side this is why you chose Android. This is why you chose XDA. You want something that comes out of the box, and gives you the opportunity to improve it in your own way, to your own liking. To take the initiative. We almost need HTC to drop the ball so we can pick it up and run with it.
The day a stock Android phone comes out of the box perfect to everyone's needs for years after its purchase will be a sad day for XDA.
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He already said what I wanted to said
I like the line "This is why you choose Android and XDA"
Akishima said:
He already said what I wanted to said
I like the line "This is why you choose Android and XDA"
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Well good news anyway:
HTC announced ICS officially for us!
YIPPEE!!!
Are there any good Devs for our Sensation XL devices,we have a few good roms on SXL Forum but suddenly every good Developer is leaving us because they buy them self a new phone,like One X and so on. Now they have a new phone and those of us that just bought Sensation XL or cannot afford a better one like One X, now we are left behind with maybe one or two devs ( and they have so little time,or dont even have SXL for testing). And Roms that are available are not being updated, and almost nobody is giving any support. Now i really regret that i sold my Desire HD-THE BEST PHONE EVER AND WITH MANY DEVELOPERS HERE ON XDA,AND MANY UPDATED ROMS ,THEMES, SUPPORT AND SO ON. I am asking you folks here to help us find a good Developer/s for making some new Roms or atleast to help us update some old Roms ,like Sense 4.0 lite. Thanks for any reply
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1344
I thought it would be good to start a threat about kitkat anticipation and also when a ROM is spotted we would have a place to talk about it. A lot of people are porting the HTC one ROMs to the one x and there is some CM kitkat ROMs already on the HTC one. So maybe we can find someone to port it soon. Its already apparent that the sense versions are behind . the HTC one has 4.3 and sense 5.5.. Pure android seems like it will be the only way for new ROMs
I feel as though we should leave kitkat alone and mainly focus on the roms at hand, but I definately would not mind a nice piece of chocolate if you catch my drift
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Pure android seems like it will be the only way for new ROMs
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I'm not sure why you see that. There were at least 2 or 3 devs that ported Sense 5 over from the M7 to the EVITA (before HTC released Sense 5 for us officially). As long as there is interest by devs, I don't see why they wouldn't do the same again for KitKat and Sense 5.5. True, the hardware hurdles will be an issue. But AOSP ROMs will experience their share, as well.
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I'm not sure why you see that. There were at least 2 or 3 devs that ported Sense 5 over from the M7 to the EVITA (before HTC released Sense 5 for us officially). As long as there is interest by devs, I don't see why they wouldn't do the same again for KitKat and Sense 5.5. True, the hardware hurdles will be an issue. But AOSP ROMs will experience their share, as well.
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Team Venom has released the Viper ROM for the HTC One. They released ViperXL for ours. Seems like they have all the necessary talent and tools to put together a new ViperXL release with 4.3/Sense5.5
I am pretty sure Kit Kat is going to be a while. It would be really cool to get a 4.3 Rom good enough to be a daily driver. They are getting there. We still have a healthy Dev community.
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As far as 4.3 being a daily driver, I'm running PAC 4.3.1 with touched 6.1 kernel with no problems, I use it as a daily driver. I've been on 4.3 maybe a month with little to no problems. So I think 4.4 is looking good for our phones
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While you're having success with that ROM there have been several problems plaguing 4.3 ROMs, that's what's being referred to.
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Well here's the first kitkat rom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2535315
Also saw in some other thread a screenshot of Evita running CM11 (H8's screenshot, I think), so yeah. :good:
4.4 Kit-Kat is officially coming to The HTC One in January of 2014 So hopefully we see a nice port come to our One X/L
Unfortunately it's pretty difficult to port from the One due to the different chipsets and resolution, it just doesn't work properly. A port would need to come from a similar device, like maybe the One Mini.
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HTC releases their updates on time. Blame your carrier for the delays
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I've read in many places that Evita is going to get even an Android 5 update, so "Why so disappointed?"...
After all, it has been a flagship phone for several months and is still a powerful one in the markets
I seriously doubt this phone will ever get Android 5.0 as an official update, I'd put money on it. I'm not sure where you read that but it's highly unlikely. We're probably not even going to officially see 4.3 or 4.4.
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I'm fairly certain that the Evita is done for updates. Also, HTC has a horrendous record of keeping their promises when it comes to release dates. Remember that update we were supposed to get at the end of November? Remember how it wasn't released until march nearly 5 months later? I do. That's when I rooted my phone.
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That was the carriers fault. Adding all that bloatwear takes time dontcha-know.
And I was talking about a Port from the One by our devs here to the One X.
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I've read in many places that Evita is going to get even an Android 5 update, so "Why so disappointed?"...
After all, it has been a flagship phone for several months and is still a powerful one in the markets
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No we are supposedly getting a Sense 5 Update (Android 4.2 from Android 4.1.1 I think) But AT&T won't get it till next November probably
You're not quite right about that. HTC push their own non-carrier updates to their non branded/Asian models and they do have a terrible record of keeping promises and getting them out on time, if at all.
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Hey guys I have the international version but both versions seem to be abandoned by HTC but there is a glimmer of hope as Google want 4.4 pushing out to all devices capable of running it so hopefully HTC will update all the one series phones eventually.
Google can't even get their own nexus (galaxy) updated. What makes you think they can make HTC do it. This phone won't get any more updates. The next HTC one will be out soon and all focus will go for that.
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shoredroid
anyone here running shoredroid 4.4 on their at&t one x?
just flashed mine last night after unlock/root/s-off/ and I can't believe how much more smooth and fast my phone feels.
now I just have to order a new screen to replace this cracked junk!
guess thats what I get for an $80 craigslist phone huh?
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anyone here running shoredroid 4.4 on their at&t one x?
just flashed mine last night after unlock/root/s-off/ and I can't believe how much more smooth and fast my phone feels.
now I just have to order a new screen to replace this cracked junk!
guess thats what I get for an $80 craigslist phone huh?
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All of the kitkat roms are pretty darn smooth. I had some SD card/signal loss/reboot problems on shoredroid so I moved to the CM 11 nightlies. Latest nightly working perfectly so far *crosses fingers*
Hello Everyone!
I'm new(ish) to the forum and have had my Htc One X rooted since February.....I knew KitKat was being released for other phones but it looks like the HTC One X is just not being supported....
The highest Rom I found is android 4.2.2. (I'm currently on 4.1.1.)
This whole phone has left a really sour taste in my mouth.....Like so many other people.
"Here is our flagship phone for At&t"..........Nope here is the Htc One XL.......Nope here is the Htc One. I know tech changes quickly but my god........So I'm still under contract....Grrr
Anyways, back on topic. Are there any roms we will eventually see that include KitKat?
I'm not sure who to be madder at HTC or At&t......
I knew I should've gone Samsung lol
Thanks for the help!
demert858 said:
Hello Everyone!
I'm new(ish) to the forum and have had my Htc One X rooted since February.....I knew KitKat was being released for other phones but it looks like the HTC One X is just not being supported....
The highest Rom I found is android 4.2.2. (I'm currently on 4.1.1.)
This whole phone has left a really sour taste in my mouth.....Like so many other people.
"Here is our flagship phone for At&t"..........Nope here is the Htc One XL.......Nope here is the Htc One. I know tech changes quickly but my god........So I'm still under contract....Grrr
Anyways, back on topic. Are there any roms we will eventually see that include KitKat?
I'm not sure who to be madder at HTC or At&t......
I knew I should've gone Samsung lol
Thanks for the help!
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Here is our flagship phone for At&t"..........Nope here is the Htc One XL
The at&t One X is the HTC One XL, exact same phone, different branding.
The highest Rom I found is android 4.2.2. (I'm currently on 4.1.1.)
Where are you looking? There are later ROMs than 4.4.2 available.
Anyways, back on topic. Are there any roms we will eventually see that include KitKat?
Yes there are KitKat ROMs available in the Original Android Development section. Please search before posting, it's XDA's #1 rule.
I'm not sure who to be madder at HTC or At&t......
I knew I should've gone Samsung lol
Why be mad? At&t have a release due out in Q1 of next year. As far as HTC are concerned, the phone is 18 months old now, I'm not sure how long you expect the device to be supported for.
PS. The acronym DOA stands for Dead On Arrival and refers to a new device that is faulty out of the box. I think you meant EOL, which means End Of Line.
PPS. Questions go in the q&a section, please make sure you post in the right place in future.
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Previously I had an once a HTC Incredible S where I reached the Point of changeable IMEI and wanted to ask, did anyone came that far on the HTC Sensation XE?
I sensated this Device back than for the more Wide Support and for being Origin of many Developments I did followed on the HTC Incredible S.
So getting to this Device soon is for me an huge Jump. (even when I've been on so many recently, must be because of my flexible Interests oddly)
By the Way, are those old-fashioned Sense 3.0 Roms still floating around? The Possibilities of UI Modding on those where so astonishing fresh compared to the latest Android Devices and their Respective Cyanogenmod Roms without Kernel UV/OC Modification. Is this a thing here?
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Previously I had an once a HTC Incredible S where I reached the Point of changeable IMEI and wanted to ask, did anyone came that far on the HTC Sensation XE?
I sensated this Device back than for the more Wide Support and for being Origin of many Developments I did followed on the HTC Incredible S.
So getting to this Device soon is for me an huge Jump. (even when I've been on so many recently, must be because of my flexible Interests oddly)
By the Way, are those old-fashioned Sense 3.0 Roms still floating around? The Possibilities of UI Modding on those where so astonishing fresh compared to the latest Android Devices and their Respective Cyanogenmod Roms without Kernel UV/OC Modification. Is this a thing here?
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Edit - Found one who reached it even that far. Yet, I do not know if this one really did changed it. However, it did'nt replied nor posted on which particular the change has to be done. I could challenge it but shouldn't.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1653842
I'll post when my Device arrives what for a Confing I'm going to use. Just got looked through Page 21.
Diamondback a Thanks.
Ultimately.
An ICS Sense Pyramid (XE) with 1.29 hboot locked S-on not accepted by HTC Dev.
Hopeless Device, not?
talking to myself - ~~*mhy mhy mia nyy ah_ne*~~
Temproot and Rumrunner does it finally.
I fried my 32GB SD-Card with JPB/JB Methode and it was my only one.
Waiting for another One. Such a Stake.