Hi. I just got my Moto G few days ago and I unlocked bootloader, rooted etc. So because of unlocking bootloader I guess I will not be able to get official motorola updates any more. My phone arrived with kk already, but I had some OTA update as soon as I turned the phone on and now it runs on 176.44.1.falcon_utms.Retail.en.GB. Now I want to explore some custom ROM-s and my question is how to go back to this ROM my phone is running on right now from custom rom? In this link http://sbf.droid-developers.org/phone.php?device=14 I can see that the latest ROM I can flash is Blur_Version.174.44.9.falcon_umts.Retail.en.GB. As 176 is higher than 174 I guess that my phone is running on latter ROM.
In general, is there a way to update to latest stock ROM-s from Motorola after unlocking the bootloader?
Yes you can! I recently flash that particular UK ROM and even though it was 4.4.2 I still got an OTA update which had "rare network drops, low sound and etc" in the changelogs, so I'd assume it's the same one you mentioned earlier in your post. Also, I should mention that I didn't receive said update on my Retail Asia ROM or on GPE ROM (that's what I'm currently on). So in the nutshell, unlocking bootloader doesn't stop OTA updates rooting does.
That is good to know, thank you, but why would rooting itself stop OTA? Usually devices lose drm keys after unlocking a bootloader, I don't see why would rooting itself wipe drm... I guess you don't lose drm after unlocking bootloader than... That is very kind of Motorola.
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naga.nino said:
That is good to know, thank you, but why would rooting itself stop OTA? Usually devices lose drm keys after unlocking a bootloader, I don't see why would rooting itself wipe drm... I guess you don't lose drm after unlocking bootloader than... That is very kind of Motorola.
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Well the unlocking bootloader procedure is mentioned on their own website, so that could be it I guess?.
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Well the unlocking bootloader procedure is mentioned on their own website, so that could be it I guess?.
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So it is at Sony mobile website but you still loose drm and official updates.
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hey all.
i planned on getting my GS3 a week or so ago buy a family member on my family plan decided to take the upgrade without letting me know and now im stuck waiting for the next upgrade (comes in november)
i wanted to know if the current unlock bootloader method is permanent? as in cant be patch by future OTA updates?
i should have my GS3 by the end of this month (no later than the first few days of november) but i dont want to end up getting the phone then come to find that they released a OTA update (maybe official JB) and it patches the unlock method.
please bare with me as i have very little knowledge on how some things work with phones. im trying to learn. i have pc hardware pretty much down though (LOL)
i know that root methods can change easily with updates to the phone but not sure about unlocked bootloaders
thanks guys for reading and hopefully helping me out.
It could be patched, yes. However, if you unlock and install a custom recovery and never take an OTA, you will be fine. All you would have to do is be patient enough to wait for a Dev to release a safe version for you to flash.
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HHF2 said:
It could be patched, yes. However, if you unlock and install a custom recovery and never take an OTA, you will be fine. All you would have to do is be patient enough to wait for a Dev to release a safe version for you to flash.
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Once I get my phone first thing will be to root and unlock bootlader. I don't plan locking the boot loader (unless I had to issue with the phone and needed a replacment)
I'm just worried that when I can use my early upgrade and buy the phone it would be to late and a ota would be on the phone already that would cause it to not be able to unlock.
I should be fine (plan on getting phone on October 29th) but I don't want to be stick with a phone I can't install ROMs to. (Hate touchwiz) want aosp.
Valkyrie743 said:
i wanted to know if the current unlock bootloader method is permanent? as in cant be patch by future OTA updates?
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Nope, it could be patched in an update.
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You'll be fine. We have access to an unsecured bootloader so they can't patch that. The problem could be obtaining root. The current root method exploit could get patched and then another method needs to be found.
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I'm sure even if they did patch it, we can Odin back to original factory firmware and unlock again.
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You should be fine. Even if there is a OTA it most likely wont come installed out of the box.
Even if they put out an ota you can just use Odin and put older firmware onto the phone.
nothing lasts forever...
It will be patched but then unlocked again by the great dev here at xda
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It will be patched but then unlocked again by the great dev here at xda
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They didnt unlock it the first time. It was a leaked bootloader that got it unlocked.
Hello I recently got the razr maxx hd and when i got it the phone is running the newest ota update. I was able to flash back to a later software and root the phone but I cant see to get the bootloader unlocked i tried motopocalypse and it does not work. Is there any way to unlocked the bootloader on the newest software or any other way I can get around it thank you in advance.
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Hello I recently got the razr maxx hd and when i got it the phone is running the newest ota update. I was able to flash back to later software and root the phone but I cant see to get the bootloader unlocked i tried motopocalypse and it does not work. Is there any way to unlocked the bootloader on the newest software or any other way I can get around it thank you in advance.
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Check out development forum. Lots of info in there, but I don't think so. How'd you get back to previous version? Maybe the exploit fix sticks. I hate all this preventives to keep us from unlocking bootloader. If we want to void our warranty let us. These phones arent cheep and android is open source. BS
If it had the new update you can't unlock the bootloader. You can roll back for root like you did but that's it.
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Yea it's crap and it looks like I'm stuck on stock
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Hey guys huge beginner on this type of stuff. I have one simple question though.
I know there is now a way to Root my phone, but not unlock the bootloader? So I'm wondering, is there any way for me to get a rom that is based off 4.3 at this current moment or am I out of luck?
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Hey guys huge beginner on this type of stuff. I have one simple question though.
I know there is now a way to Root my phone, but not unlock the bootloader? So I'm wondering, is there any way for me to get a rom that is based off 4.3 at this current moment or am I out of luck?
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Yes, you can root your phone. Rooting and unlocking the bootloader are two different things. If you're on the latest update, you won't be able to unlock anyway. If your BL isn't unlocked, you won't be able to use any of the 4.3 based ROMs. I don't think there have been any developed for use on SafeStrap.
If your on the new update you can't unlock your bootloader. Which means the best you'll get get is debloated stock roms.
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If your on the new update you can't unlock your bootloader. Which means the best you'll get get is debloated stock roms.
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I'm listening....? "debloated stock rom"?
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I'm listening....? "debloated stock rom"?
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Debloated stock just means is the Verizon builds, just with some of the extra software taken out and tweaked. It's not like cyanogen mod which had more options and tweaks. But with a locked bootloader its the best your gonna get.
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Debloated stock just means is the Verizon builds, just with some of the extra software taken out and tweaked. It's not like cyanogen mod which had more options and tweaks. But with a locked bootloader its the best your gonna get.
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However, you can use Xposed Framework to do a lot of modding/tweaking to a stock ROM. I am running a custom ROM, but I still use Xposed for a lot of things. You can theme your stock ROM in ways that are very similar to having a theme manager on AOSP ROMs.
have you verified for sure that you cannot unlock the bootloader? it doesn't hurt to try, unless you already tried.
What version is the build?
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have you verified for sure that you cannot unlock the bootloader? it doesn't hurt to try, unless you already tried.
What version is the build?
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system version 9.18.79 so i'm assuming it isn't possible
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system version 9.18.79 so i'm assuming it isn't possible
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Yup. That's the version you don't want to see if you haven't unlocked the boot loader.
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Yup. That's the version you don't want to see if you haven't unlocked the boot loader.
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Unless his BL was unlocked prior to that update.
Oops. Double post for some reason!
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Unless his BL was unlocked prior to that update.
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Which is why I said if you haven't unlocked the bootloader.
Once it's unlocked, it's unlocked. You can't lock it back up because apparently, it's a physical change in the phone, such as a fuse being blown or something like that. At least, that's what I've read. http://blog.azimuthsecurity.com/2013/04/unlocking-motorola-bootloader.html
Apparently, it's something Qualcomm has created called a QFuse. These are software programmable fuses that once blown, they can NEVER be put back to their prior state. In Motorola devices, there is a FORCE_TRUSTED_BOOT QFuse. This is all explained by Dan Rosenburg who is the developer that gave us the ability to unlock our Droid RAZR HDs. it's a good read and explains a lot.
Of course, it never hurts to try and unlock it after downgrading back to the previous version.
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Of course, it never hurts to try and unlock it after downgrading back to the previous version.
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doesn't hurt but is 100% pointless, as the system version has nothing to do with the trust zone files that cant be changed back.
the system version serves as a reference point to when it used to be possible in relation to the other files that were irrevocably updated, nothing more.
...As I'm sure many others like me will visit this forum, read guide disclaimers, and still ask themselves "is it really true??"
If we accept the latest OTA (186.43.15) WITHOUT unlocking the bootloader, we are screwed. There is absolutely, positively, nothing that can be done (hacking, version rollback, etc.) with the phone forever. The bootloader has been locked and we're stuck with what we've got. No way to unlock it now.
So, is it really true? Please say it ain't so.
Yes, it is true, at least with the Motopocalypse method. There are other ways to bootloader unlock phones such as Sunshine, but I think that only supports newer Motorola devices.
http://theroot.ninja/
Also, you have to be rooted. If Towelroot doesn't work on the latest OTA (no idea if it does or not) then you'd have to wait for a new exploit.
Thanks for the reply.
What's most frustrating about this is that I knew it was coming, I knew the bootloader was going to be locked by the next OTA but I was too nervous to unlock the bootloader and possibly brick my wifes phone in the process. She would be pissed.
The system update notifier kept bugging her and I kept telling her to not to do it and eventually she just she went ahead with it. Ugh.
Crossing my fingers for new exploit...
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Thanks for the reply.
What's most frustrating about this is that I knew it was coming, I knew the bootloader was going to be locked by the next OTA but I was too nervous to unlock the bootloader and possibly brick my wifes phone in the process. She would be pissed.
The system update notifier kept bugging her and I kept telling her to not to do it and eventually she just she went ahead with it. Ugh.
Crossing my fingers for new exploit...
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Forget another bootloader unlock exploit. That was a once-in-a-lifetime chance. As for root, well, there might be, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Of course, that's what we all said when the first KK OTA came out and look what they gave us - Towelroot AND bootloader unlock, but the bootloader unlock was a mistake - they accidentally reverted part of the code back to the original exploit code. So, that was a mistake on Moto's part.
But, this latest OTA is the last OTA for this phone. No more updates from Moto so don't expect the bootloader exploit to show up again.
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Forget another bootloader unlock exploit. That was a once-in-a-lifetime chance. As for root, well, there might be, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Of course, that's what we all said when the first KK OTA came out and look what they gave us - Towelroot AND bootloader unlock, but the bootloader unlock was a mistake - they accidentally reverted part of the code back to the original exploit code. So, that was a mistake on Moto's part.
But, this latest OTA is the last OTA for this phone. No more updates from Moto so don't expect the bootloader exploit to show up again.
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That's what I was afraid of. Same thing happened on my Droid X once updated to the last build of 2.3.4
I guess the bottom line is this: I don't care that much about the final KK build as much as I care about wifi hotspot tethering. That's really what I'm after. After her phone was updated to KK from JB it killed the tethering app that we were using. So my only recourse was to flash the phone back to JB. But I just didn't have the time to mess with it, plus it's my wife's phone and I didn't want to risk bricking it.
Near as I can tell, after quite a bit of searching, I don't have any way to fix tethering with this latest build. I'll ask the question in the Q&A section.
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That's what I was afraid of. Same thing happened on my Droid X once updated to the last build of 2.3.4
I guess the bottom line is this: I don't care that much about the final KK build as much as I care about wifi hotspot tethering. That's really what I'm after. After her phone was updated to KK from JB it killed the tethering app that we were using. So my only recourse was to flash the phone back to JB. But I just didn't have the time to mess with it, plus it's my wife's phone and I didn't want to risk bricking it.
Near as I can tell, after quite a bit of searching, I don't have any way to fix tethering with this latest build. I'll ask the question in the Q&A section.
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Exactly what version of KK is she on? If she's still on 183.46.10, then that allows the bootloader to be unlocked which will then allow you to root it and then apply a tethering hack.
If, however, you are on 183.46.14 or 183.46.15, then yes, you are hosed and cannot revert back to 183.46.10 or JB.
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Exactly what version of KK is she on? If she's still on 183.46.10, then that allows the bootloader to be unlocked which will then allow you to root it and then apply a tethering hack.
If, however, you are on 183.46.14 or 183.46.15, then yes, you are hosed and cannot revert back to 183.46.10 or JB.
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She has 183.46.15. Only option at this point is to exchange it for a used one that hasn't been updated...
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She has 183.46.15. Only option at this point is to exchange it for a used one that hasn't been updated...
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Yup. That's unfortunate. Just wanted to make sure.
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That's what I was afraid of. Same thing happened on my Droid X once updated to the last build of 2.3.4
I guess the bottom line is this: I don't care that much about the final KK build as much as I care about wifi hotspot tethering. That's really what I'm after. After her phone was updated to KK from JB it killed the tethering app that we were using. So my only recourse was to flash the phone back to JB. But I just didn't have the time to mess with it, plus it's my wife's phone and I didn't want to risk bricking it.
Near as I can tell, after quite a bit of searching, I don't have any way to fix tethering with this latest build. I'll ask the question in the Q&A section.
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Not trying to hijack the thread and get it sidetracked, but just fyi, in case you didn't know, Droid X is up on CM11 now.
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Not trying to hijack the thread and get it sidetracked, but just fyi, in case you didn't know, Droid X is up on CM11 now.
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Thanks for the heads up!
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Yup. That's unfortunate. Just wanted to make sure.
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She actually hasn't been happy with her XT926, so I think I might just buy a used phone of the same generation and mod it. If successful, we'll just swap the hacked one onto her account. I'm thinking Galaxy S3? I'd be curious to know what the "most hackable" phone of that generation is (JB or early KK)? Or should I post that question in the XDA General? I've searched and haven't found that question asked.
Damn :/ I just bought RAZR MAXX HD on ebay and I was sure there will be no problems with unlocking and rooting the phone. But the system version is 183.46.15 :/
Anyone in Poland wants to buy a RAZR MAXX HD?
jacek607 said:
Damn :/ I just bought RAZR MAXX HD on ebay and I was sure there will be no problems with unlocking and rooting the phone. But the system version is 183.46.15 :/
Anyone in Poland wants to buy a RAZR MAXX HD?
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Did you boot it into fastboot mode and ensure whether it's already been unlocked or not? You might get lucky if they already unlocked it.
I've checked it - it is locked :/
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I've checked it - it is locked :/
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Bummer.
Is anybody working on method of unlock the bootloader and root for razr maxx hd with 183.46.15?
no
Do you know if is possible to go fron .15 to JB using RSD litle ?
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Do you know if is possible to go fron .15 to JB using RSD litle ?
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Not possible if your boot loader is locked.
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Do you know if is possible to go fron .15 to JB using RSD litle ?
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Sure as long as you are already unlocked.
Edit, I didn't see Rik's post, same answer, different angle lol
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Not possible if your boot loader is locked.
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I have the code : 3 that means I can down grade right?
Thanks
I am wondering how to relock boot loader and get warranty back.
I hope some devs will come up for this since it is available for previous moto G gens
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I am wondering how to relock boot loader and get warranty back.
I hope some devs will come up for this since it is available for previous moto G gens
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There are a couple of threads about relocking the BL, especially over on the 1st gen Moto G forums. However, even if you successfully re-lock your BL, the BL will still show that it was unlocked in the past. You can't hide that you have unlocked it. So, once you have unlocked it your phone will never go back to factory condition.
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I am wondering how to relock boot loader and get warranty back.
I hope some devs will come up for this since it is available for previous moto G gens
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I know of no way on previous gens to get the warranty back. Even if the bootloader is relocked, it's still not going to restore the warranty. Just requesting the unlock code voids the warranty.
"once a Device's Unlock Code has been released by Motorola to User, the Device shall thereafter, for all intents and purposes, be deemed to be an Unlocked Device"
Hey man I find the solution after 2h search you must flash the official firmware without bootloader.img do not reboot your smartphone after the flash your control before restart
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It will still be an unlocked bootloader for warranty purposes. You can never undo that.
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