[Q] NFC SIM in a Non-NFC Phone - Droid Ultra Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I recently purchased a used Motorola Droid Ultra to replace my current Droid Bionic. I am on Verizon and went to the local corporate store to obtain a nano SIM for the Ultra. The SIM provided was not NFC and when I went on-line to activate with the Verizon website, I received an error that the SIM card was not compatible. I ordered a new NFC SIM from the website and am awaiting its arrival. Here are two questions that I have concerning the new NFC SIM.
1. Once activated in the Ultra can the NFC SIM be removed and activated in the Droid Bionic using a nano to mini SIM adapter? If so, can I just swap the NFC SIM or do I need to go on-line and input the MEID and NFC SIM ID? By the way, I do realize that the NFC SIM would not give the Bionic any new powers with relation to NFC.
2. Is it possible to leave the old mini SIM in the Droid Bionic and simply reactivate using the Verizon Website for times that I want to use the Bionic instead of the Ultra. I have read elsewhere that there is some kind of deactivation after some time period whereby the old SIM is dead and cannot be reused on my account or any other account. Does anyone know if this is true and if so, what are the timeframes?
Thanks, in advance, for any help on these questions.

hikersc said:
I recently purchased a used Motorola Droid Ultra to replace my current Droid Bionic. I am on Verizon and went to the local corporate store to obtain a nano SIM for the Ultra. The SIM provided was not NFC and when I went on-line to activate with the Verizon website, I received an error that the SIM card was not compatible. I ordered a new NFC SIM from the website and am awaiting its arrival. Here are two questions that I have concerning the new NFC SIM.
1. Once activated in the Ultra can the NFC SIM be removed and activated in the Droid Bionic using a nano to mini SIM adapter? If so, can I just swap the NFC SIM or do I need to go on-line and input the MEID and NFC SIM ID? By the way, I do realize that the NFC SIM would not give the Bionic any new powers with relation to NFC.
2. Is it possible to leave the old mini SIM in the Droid Bionic and simply reactivate using the Verizon Website for times that I want to use the Bionic instead of the Ultra. I have read elsewhere that there is some kind of deactivation after some time period whereby the old SIM is dead and cannot be reused on my account or any other account. Does anyone know if this is true and if so, what are the timeframes?
Thanks, in advance, for any help on these questions.
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"NFC SIM" just means it's got a NFC secure element on it, to facilitate Isis payment transactions.
Otherwise, swap it around at will. I do both Android and iPhone development at work and I'll bounce between an iPhone 5 or my Droid Maxx depending on what project I'm working on that day. I routinely swap the (NFC-enabled) nano-SIM between my Maxx and my iPhone 5 without trouble, so I can't imagine why you'd have any trouble with an adapter in your Bionic.
I believe they have fixed the deactivation period issue. I know when I did some device shuffling on my account even a year ago, it seemed that if you "deactivate" a SIM, it's put on hold for ~24 hours, and then after that point it can be used again. That was contrary to my experience back in 2011 where it was most definitely the case that if you deactivated a SIM it was pretty much burned for good.

yay pie said:
"NFC SIM" just means it's got a NFC secure element on it, to facilitate Isis payment transactions.
Otherwise, swap it around at will. I do both Android and iPhone development at work and I'll bounce between an iPhone 5 or my Droid Maxx depending on what project I'm working on that day. I routinely swap the (NFC-enabled) nano-SIM between my Maxx and my iPhone 5 without trouble, so I can't imagine why you'd have any trouble with an adapter in your Bionic.
I believe they have fixed the deactivation period issue. I know when I did some device shuffling on my account even a year ago, it seemed that if you "deactivate" a SIM, it's put on hold for ~24 hours, and then after that point it can be used again. That was contrary to my experience back in 2011 where it was most definitely the case that if you deactivated a SIM it was pretty much burned for good.
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Thank you for this information. This was what I was thinking but have not tested the NFC SIM in the Bionic. My understanding is that it is basically identical to a standard nano SIM with some extra information to support secure NFC transactions via Isis wallet.
I did determine that I can continue to use the Bionic in WiFi mode both with and without the old SIM card installed. If no SIM is present, you get a warning on bootup and can then function as usual on WiFi. With the SIM installed, it shows network strength but, of course, no calls or data. I am interested in leaving the card in the Bionic because it is a booger to swap. It requires removing the back, the battery, and SD card to just get to the SIM which then does not seem to want to slide out. My thought was to just use the online activation tool without swapping the SIM if I need to go back to the Bionic for a period of time. If anyone has a similar experience with using this method for swapping phones, it would be great to know.

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Dual SIM card adaptor works in Pro ?

I'm considering one of these as my next device.
One main issue for me is being able to use 2 sim cards in 1 device.
Currently I'm using good quality cut type dual SIM adaptor, has worked well in all my devies so far !
Anyone using this style of adaptor & can comment on how well it fits into SIM slot ect & if SDK menu functions correctly.
Thanks,
Hi Mister B,
So you're using a good quality cut type right now?
Which one?
It's always a bit confusing because there are soooo many out there.
I used to have a HTC Kaiser (until it was stolen).
In that one I used a 15th gen cut card.
Got my touch pro last saturday and have tried the 15th, 16th and 20th gen.
16th works flawless!
Just pick one up on ebay.
Didn't put the cover on the card just inserted it with a bit of care. Fits nicely.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
BuDDaH
Update
Well.. I cheered to early.
With my usim I loose connection every now and then.
I've ordered a 23rd gen sim to see if that's any better.
I use the magicsim ones.
they are cheaper than thet Simore ones (http://www.simore.ch/en/)
Would be interesting to see more responses!
Cheers,
B
My Simore X2 Gold does not work on my FUZE, flashed with ROMeOS 1.21
i have dual sim, but noname works fine..
Didn't these cards drain the battery?
they used to do it in the past, right?
so guys, are you satisfied with your dual sim cards? No battery isues?
Which one do you recommend for a Touch Pro? which gen?
BuDDaH what doyou recommend 16th Gen or 23rd Gen?
I've only found in ebay 16th & 20th, not 23rd.
Where can i find 23rd gen?, do you have a link?
thanks
I'd like to know as well...
RE
Hi!
Anyone knows where to buy the 23th-A Magicsim dual-sim card adaptor? Can provide a link?
Thanks
Hi all,..
I'm using a dual sim adaptor from multi-mobile.eu on my TP. The problem I have that when I switch from one sim to another, I cannot sent a SMS. "Phone is not ready" is the message. even when I wait for a long time. When I soft reset my device the problem is gone...
I also have certain connection problems. It seems that cutting the SIM card has given me a lower signal reception...
And using the auto switch option isn't so great. the auto switching will also take place when having a phone call, so the connection then is lost. Very anoying...
Regards,
A.
FOSA said:
Hi!
Anyone knows where to buy the 23th-A Magicsim dual-sim card adaptor? Can provide a link?
Thanks
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i'd like to know also...
would both SIMs be active or just one at a time?
sorry but i didn't use ony of those adaptors, but it seems interesting!!
Can anyone of Dual Sim card users tell us if there are draining issues with the batteries?
i've heard in the past about issues wth the bateries when using dual sim cards but it maybe was with older generations?
Can anybody confirm it?
please share your experiences with us.
thanks
Well...
The link to the store where I got my 23rd sim is http://www.dual-sim.nl/
Info on the Magic Sim's can be found here http://www.magicsim.com/
Got mine today and........ NO GO!! Read somewhere that this one should not drain your battery as much.
I also had a 3rd gen card laying around and that one works very well. NO stk or 007 mode but the phone power toggle.
Bit strange that I can't seem to get the 16th gen working anymore.
Updated my radio to 1.02.25.28.
forgot who asked but you can't have 2 sim cards active at the same time.
I just forward the calls from 1 number to the other using a short dial assignment.
Edit:
http://www.dual-sim-adapter.com/era_en.html
Premium version:
- No impact on battery power
lets keep sharing our findings!
thanks BuDDaH, thanks for the valuable Info you have provided us.
Only one thing, I guess that the Premium you have bought dual-sim-adapter.com is a "CUT" version, right?
Do you think is better Dual Sims "CUT" than Dual Sims "NO CUT" versions?
I know that the dual-sim-adapter.com "No CUT" version is only for GSM Networks, it doesn't support UMTS Networks so this would be a good reason to stay in the "CUT" side, right?
Instead, the MagicSim dual-sim.eu "NO CUT" says it works too in UMTS Networks. But the Magic-Sim says "No excessive energy use" instead dual-sim-adapter.com PREMIUM syas "No impact on battery power".
Links & Features:
dual-sim-adapter.com PREMIUM "CUT"
€18.99 / UMTS Compatible / "No impact on battery power"
http://www.dual-sim-adapter.com/era_en.html
dual-sim-adapter.com "NO CUT"
€14.99 / ONLY GSM / "No impact on battery power"
http://www.dual-sim-adapter.com/ghost_en.html
MagicSIM dual-sim.eu "NO CUT"
€19 / 3G-USIM Compatible / No excessive energy use.
http://www.dual-sim.eu/product_info.php/products_id/151
MagicSIM dual-sim.eu "CUT"
€18,95 / 3G-USIM Compatible / No excessive energy use.
http://www.dual-sim.eu/product_info.php/products_id/150
Well... actually I didn't buy the Premium one from http://www.dual-sim-adapter.com/era_en.html
just added that link because of the power drain question that someone posted earlier.
Strange thing is that I used the 16th gen for a while that worked fine but suddenly stopped working all together (after having experimented a bit with other ones).
Still works fine in a 'normal' gsm.
I have used the no cut versions in the past in other smartphones (magician I think and artemis) but that was a real hassle. no room! there were people peeling of parts of their battery to make room.....
Had 3 g working on the 16th gen cut without a problem (worked for about 3 days)
Now I'm back to my 3rd gen cut solution that's an 'analog' one. Powertoggle the phone and you're switched.
This one works perfectly with 3g and my usim.
Concerning the extra power.. over the weekend I might do a little test with the battery status app and see what the increased power drain is.
All in all I guess we found a nice little market niche!
A dual sim adapter that works in the Raphael... did a search on the forum yesterday and there are similar threads for a lot of other HTC devices.
I did invest in a sim card cutting tool. Since I'm using a company sim I didn't want to screw it up.
(and first did a test run with some pre paid sims).
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Hi BuDDaH
So it's confirmed that you can't have 2 Sims active at the same time i.e. no 2 antennas or 2 numbers shown?
Secondly, it's also true that if 'X' Sim is active and if you want to use 'Y' Sim then you need to do a soft reset. Does that mean to say you cannot receive call for 'Y' Sim if 'X' Sim is active? I thought the 2nd Sim is on standby and switchover use is by selecting it?
If the answers are 'Yes' then is there any software that allows auto-switchover without the need for a soft reset in order to active the second Sim?
Do you require to have a special battery cover or any modification done in order to accomodate the dual-sim adaptor?
Thanks
Along with all the questions asked by FOSA, can I also ask if any one knows a place in london who does them?
FOSA said:
Hi BuDDaH
So it's confirmed that you can't have 2 Sims active at the same time i.e. no 2 antennas or 2 numbers shown?
Secondly, it's also true that if 'X' Sim is active and if you want to use 'Y' Sim then you need to do a soft reset. Does that mean to say you cannot receive call for 'Y' Sim if 'X' Sim is active? I thought the 2nd Sim is on standby and switchover use is by selecting it?
If the answers are 'Yes' then is there any software that allows auto-switchover without the need for a soft reset in order to active the second Sim?
Do you require to have a special battery cover or any modification done in order to accomodate the dual-sim adaptor?
Thanks
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Hi!
It's not possible to have 2 sims active at the same time. You would need 2 GSM radio's on board and the Touch Pro just doesn't have that!
With the 'analog' dual sim card that I'm using at the moment you don't have to do a soft reset. Just toggle the gsm radio! I know that someone wrote a little utility to do this with just 1 click. Is on the forum somewhere.
If 'X' is active that means 'Y' is not active. you can't receive calls on this card BUT nothing is holding you back to forward calls from Y to X before toggling! that's what I'm doing.
with the 'CUT' cards you don't need modifications to battery or phone cover.
Read that the 'older' analog cards don't consume extra power.
The newer digital cards can switchover automatically, you don't have to toggle the GSM radio and you have an extra menu on your phone. But there are issues with the digital models and WM pda phones.
AND SINCE ALL THE NEW SIMS ARE DIGITAL, IT ONLY MEANS THAT WE MIGHT NOT HAVE THIS THING WORKING... right???
Any more info on this???
akash_nu said:
AND SINCE ALL THE NEW SIMS ARE DIGITAL, IT ONLY MEANS THAT WE MIGHT NOT HAVE THIS THING WORKING... right???
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As far as I know sims have always been digital!
When talking about 'analog' with the dual sim adapters it's a reference to the switching technology used.
So..... I've got it working without problems. 3G / USIM works as well.
Pretty happy with it!

I broke my Xoom...for the better?

Hi all:
I am hoping that there are some hardware folks out there that may be able to shed some light on my situation.
I have a 4G Xoom. I wanted to be able to use the same SIM card in my Xoom as my Razr Maxx, but the Maxx uses a micro SIM, so I activated a regular mini SIM in my wife's Spectrum with my phone number and tried the SIM in the Xoom and it worked great. I then cut the SIM down to micro size and put it in my Razr Maxx, again worked great.
I planned on using the remainder of the mini SIM card that I punched the micro SIM from as an adapter for use in the Xoom. I figured that it was a good idea to store the "adapter" in the SIM card tray/slot of the Xoom until I needed it...BAD IDEA! Due to the nature of the spring loaded contacts the "adapter" got stuck, hung up on the contacts. I thought that an easy fix would be to slide something thin in the slot to free up the adapter. It worked in so far as I got the tray and the homemade adapter out, but I must have pressed too hard on the back three contacts as they no longer made contact with a SIM card.
I took the Xoom apart and used a paper clip to raise the contacts back up, but I raised them too far so I went in again and still didn't get it right because although I had a signal on the meter I could not connect to anything. The third time was the charm. I got a signal and was surfing the web!
Now the strange/good part. I now get a full 4G signal (presumably because I am roaming on a non-Verizon tower) as opposed to the usually poor signal at my house. I live right on the edge of a Verizon 4G service area. The Xoom surfs much faster now than before I broke it, but why? Did I short something out? Did I fail to raise one of the contact pins enough? It isn't the SIM, I verified that with another device. I did something to the SIM card slot, contacts, or a related electrical component, but what?
I want to "break"my Razr Maxx and my wife's Spectrum also!
Thanks for any thoughts from any of you hardware guys or anyone that knows how SIM cards work. I don't even know what contact/pin does what.
Thanks
RTW
ridingthewave said:
i look into but i see noting, how do you raise it up ?
(i make a mistake, push adapter without micro sim )
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I did the same thing and I soldered extention on my sim tray. here is how I did it:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=38975990#post38975990
You should be able to take it to a local electronic repair man and have them do it, if your xoom is out of warranty.

Droid RAZR MAXX HD (XT926) Running Cyanogenmod 12.1 Nightly Unable to Read Sim Card

I have been a longtime lurker on these forums and the responses here have always been helpful. Generally, the answers are a Google search away. This time, however, they are not. I am not an expert like many users here, but I am usually good enough.
So, a bit of background. My phone has a few issues that are making it rather unusable when it comes to wireless service and the battery is dying quickly. It is a Motorola Droid RAZR MAXX HD (XT926) running CyanogenMod version 12.1-20150811-NIGHTLY-xt926 which is Android version 5.1.1. The Baseband version is VANQUISH_BP_100731.020.64.21P
About two months ago, I had my SIM card out because I was taking my SD card out to make a quick transfer of some APK files. Later, I asked my girlfriend to bring me my phone and she accidentally tried to shove the SD card into the SIM card slot. This may have bent some of the prongs, because after that the phone did not sense my SIM card. I was able to straighten them using a hooked paperclip end and by putting a couple of pieces of tape on the back of my SIM card, the phone was able to read my SIM card again.
Two weeks ago, the phone quit reading my SIM card again. I got a new one. This did nothing. I updated from a rooted stock KK to Cyanogenmod and that did nothing. Taking the card out and putting it in does nothing. The pins seem to align with the card, as it scratches the card in the right places.
I thought it was purely a hardware problem, but I find that if I turn my phone off and back on, the SIM card is read and my phone connects to Verizon Wireless, my wireless provider. Unfortunately, after a few minutes, the phone ceases to read the card and instead, it says No SIM card—Emergency calls only. Sometimes, my carrier is shown as 000000 but it works off and on but does not show that it is connected to 3G or LTE. Sometimes, even without being turned off, it works anyway. Nevertheless, it always works when I reboot it.
Any ideas? I have spent countless hours trying to figure this out. I spent so much time trying to figure this out that my girlfriend and I had an argument and she broke up with me. Kidding (sort of)! I do not have a warranty and I do not have a phone contract. This thing can't be returned and I cannot easily afford a new one.

Need an expert on SIM cards to chime in.....

Alright, so a little back story on the problem i'm having:
I've got a Mofi4500 SIM4 wireless modem with service from an MVNO using T-Mobile's network.
The service worked great for the last several months despite a video throttling issue. Long story short, i determined the Phone number associated with the SIM was being throttled either the MVNO or T-Mobile, so they're shipping me out a new SIM card.
Here's the issue: They disabled the current SIM (which is providing us service) when they programmed the new SIM before they shipped it out. In the MOFI's control panel, there is no phone number detected on the sim (did they delete the phone number remotely?)
So we're currently dead in the water with no internet access, and my wife isn't too happy since she works from home. I called their tech support to get the SIM reactivated, and they said no problem, should be done within an hour.
2 hours pass, still not working! I jump back in the MOFI's control panel to see whats going on, and it seems that its still not detecting a phone number on the SIM. The Sim card, SIM ID, and T-Mobiles APN are all detected and correct, but the Phone number is not. even now (the next morning) after several reboots of the modem and factory resets there is no phone number detected.
We USED to run the MOFI on AT&T's network and still have that sim card, so i popped that in the MOFI to see if it could detect a phone number on that sim, and sure enough all that information along with AT&T's APN is there. so the Mofi's sim card reader isn't broken, it does have the ability to read a sim card correctly.
My question here, how did the MVNO supposedly "reactivate" the sim card remotely when the sim card has the Phone number deleted and the router has no access to the web? is it even possible to change a SIM's phone number remotely? Is it possible to reactivate a SIM remotely when the SIM has no access to the internet?
If it is indeed possible, any idea on why the sim not able to update?

Dual SIM after conversion to Global

TMobile *T 5G converted to Global and updated to the newest OTA.
I purchased a dual SIM holder on EBAY and while the phone now does detect both SIM cards, it will not allow me to use either of them. Separately they work fine, but once I put both SIM cards in the phone, both mobile data and phone service will cut off and a warning will pop up saying SIM 2 not allowed. The SIM settings screen says both SIM are active bit i no longer have data or phone service.
With both cards inserted and one of them de-activated then the other will work. I am new to dual SIM usage. Is this normal behavior? Maybe since there is only one IMEI for both slots, could this be the reason both cannot work at the same time?
Yup, I believe you are correct. There is only 1 IMEI so effectively DSDS vs DSDA. Standby vs Active.
Question for you actually, I purchased a DS from Amazon and it did not slide in all the way. Both SIMs were recognized, but I didn't want to kill the IP rating. Is your purchase the same, if not, can you send me a link to the version you received. Looking to get a silver version for my Global T-Mobile Conversion.
Thanks

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