I'm considering one of these as my next device.
One main issue for me is being able to use 2 sim cards in 1 device.
Currently I'm using good quality cut type dual SIM adaptor, has worked well in all my devies so far !
Anyone using this style of adaptor & can comment on how well it fits into SIM slot ect & if SDK menu functions correctly.
Thanks,
Hi Mister B,
So you're using a good quality cut type right now?
Which one?
It's always a bit confusing because there are soooo many out there.
I used to have a HTC Kaiser (until it was stolen).
In that one I used a 15th gen cut card.
Got my touch pro last saturday and have tried the 15th, 16th and 20th gen.
16th works flawless!
Just pick one up on ebay.
Didn't put the cover on the card just inserted it with a bit of care. Fits nicely.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
BuDDaH
Update
Well.. I cheered to early.
With my usim I loose connection every now and then.
I've ordered a 23rd gen sim to see if that's any better.
I use the magicsim ones.
they are cheaper than thet Simore ones (http://www.simore.ch/en/)
Would be interesting to see more responses!
Cheers,
B
My Simore X2 Gold does not work on my FUZE, flashed with ROMeOS 1.21
i have dual sim, but noname works fine..
Didn't these cards drain the battery?
they used to do it in the past, right?
so guys, are you satisfied with your dual sim cards? No battery isues?
Which one do you recommend for a Touch Pro? which gen?
BuDDaH what doyou recommend 16th Gen or 23rd Gen?
I've only found in ebay 16th & 20th, not 23rd.
Where can i find 23rd gen?, do you have a link?
thanks
I'd like to know as well...
RE
Hi!
Anyone knows where to buy the 23th-A Magicsim dual-sim card adaptor? Can provide a link?
Thanks
Hi all,..
I'm using a dual sim adaptor from multi-mobile.eu on my TP. The problem I have that when I switch from one sim to another, I cannot sent a SMS. "Phone is not ready" is the message. even when I wait for a long time. When I soft reset my device the problem is gone...
I also have certain connection problems. It seems that cutting the SIM card has given me a lower signal reception...
And using the auto switch option isn't so great. the auto switching will also take place when having a phone call, so the connection then is lost. Very anoying...
Regards,
A.
FOSA said:
Hi!
Anyone knows where to buy the 23th-A Magicsim dual-sim card adaptor? Can provide a link?
Thanks
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i'd like to know also...
would both SIMs be active or just one at a time?
sorry but i didn't use ony of those adaptors, but it seems interesting!!
Can anyone of Dual Sim card users tell us if there are draining issues with the batteries?
i've heard in the past about issues wth the bateries when using dual sim cards but it maybe was with older generations?
Can anybody confirm it?
please share your experiences with us.
thanks
Well...
The link to the store where I got my 23rd sim is http://www.dual-sim.nl/
Info on the Magic Sim's can be found here http://www.magicsim.com/
Got mine today and........ NO GO!! Read somewhere that this one should not drain your battery as much.
I also had a 3rd gen card laying around and that one works very well. NO stk or 007 mode but the phone power toggle.
Bit strange that I can't seem to get the 16th gen working anymore.
Updated my radio to 1.02.25.28.
forgot who asked but you can't have 2 sim cards active at the same time.
I just forward the calls from 1 number to the other using a short dial assignment.
Edit:
http://www.dual-sim-adapter.com/era_en.html
Premium version:
- No impact on battery power
lets keep sharing our findings!
thanks BuDDaH, thanks for the valuable Info you have provided us.
Only one thing, I guess that the Premium you have bought dual-sim-adapter.com is a "CUT" version, right?
Do you think is better Dual Sims "CUT" than Dual Sims "NO CUT" versions?
I know that the dual-sim-adapter.com "No CUT" version is only for GSM Networks, it doesn't support UMTS Networks so this would be a good reason to stay in the "CUT" side, right?
Instead, the MagicSim dual-sim.eu "NO CUT" says it works too in UMTS Networks. But the Magic-Sim says "No excessive energy use" instead dual-sim-adapter.com PREMIUM syas "No impact on battery power".
Links & Features:
dual-sim-adapter.com PREMIUM "CUT"
€18.99 / UMTS Compatible / "No impact on battery power"
http://www.dual-sim-adapter.com/era_en.html
dual-sim-adapter.com "NO CUT"
€14.99 / ONLY GSM / "No impact on battery power"
http://www.dual-sim-adapter.com/ghost_en.html
MagicSIM dual-sim.eu "NO CUT"
€19 / 3G-USIM Compatible / No excessive energy use.
http://www.dual-sim.eu/product_info.php/products_id/151
MagicSIM dual-sim.eu "CUT"
€18,95 / 3G-USIM Compatible / No excessive energy use.
http://www.dual-sim.eu/product_info.php/products_id/150
Well... actually I didn't buy the Premium one from http://www.dual-sim-adapter.com/era_en.html
just added that link because of the power drain question that someone posted earlier.
Strange thing is that I used the 16th gen for a while that worked fine but suddenly stopped working all together (after having experimented a bit with other ones).
Still works fine in a 'normal' gsm.
I have used the no cut versions in the past in other smartphones (magician I think and artemis) but that was a real hassle. no room! there were people peeling of parts of their battery to make room.....
Had 3 g working on the 16th gen cut without a problem (worked for about 3 days)
Now I'm back to my 3rd gen cut solution that's an 'analog' one. Powertoggle the phone and you're switched.
This one works perfectly with 3g and my usim.
Concerning the extra power.. over the weekend I might do a little test with the battery status app and see what the increased power drain is.
All in all I guess we found a nice little market niche!
A dual sim adapter that works in the Raphael... did a search on the forum yesterday and there are similar threads for a lot of other HTC devices.
I did invest in a sim card cutting tool. Since I'm using a company sim I didn't want to screw it up.
(and first did a test run with some pre paid sims).
RE
Hi BuDDaH
So it's confirmed that you can't have 2 Sims active at the same time i.e. no 2 antennas or 2 numbers shown?
Secondly, it's also true that if 'X' Sim is active and if you want to use 'Y' Sim then you need to do a soft reset. Does that mean to say you cannot receive call for 'Y' Sim if 'X' Sim is active? I thought the 2nd Sim is on standby and switchover use is by selecting it?
If the answers are 'Yes' then is there any software that allows auto-switchover without the need for a soft reset in order to active the second Sim?
Do you require to have a special battery cover or any modification done in order to accomodate the dual-sim adaptor?
Thanks
Along with all the questions asked by FOSA, can I also ask if any one knows a place in london who does them?
FOSA said:
Hi BuDDaH
So it's confirmed that you can't have 2 Sims active at the same time i.e. no 2 antennas or 2 numbers shown?
Secondly, it's also true that if 'X' Sim is active and if you want to use 'Y' Sim then you need to do a soft reset. Does that mean to say you cannot receive call for 'Y' Sim if 'X' Sim is active? I thought the 2nd Sim is on standby and switchover use is by selecting it?
If the answers are 'Yes' then is there any software that allows auto-switchover without the need for a soft reset in order to active the second Sim?
Do you require to have a special battery cover or any modification done in order to accomodate the dual-sim adaptor?
Thanks
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Hi!
It's not possible to have 2 sims active at the same time. You would need 2 GSM radio's on board and the Touch Pro just doesn't have that!
With the 'analog' dual sim card that I'm using at the moment you don't have to do a soft reset. Just toggle the gsm radio! I know that someone wrote a little utility to do this with just 1 click. Is on the forum somewhere.
If 'X' is active that means 'Y' is not active. you can't receive calls on this card BUT nothing is holding you back to forward calls from Y to X before toggling! that's what I'm doing.
with the 'CUT' cards you don't need modifications to battery or phone cover.
Read that the 'older' analog cards don't consume extra power.
The newer digital cards can switchover automatically, you don't have to toggle the GSM radio and you have an extra menu on your phone. But there are issues with the digital models and WM pda phones.
AND SINCE ALL THE NEW SIMS ARE DIGITAL, IT ONLY MEANS THAT WE MIGHT NOT HAVE THIS THING WORKING... right???
Any more info on this???
akash_nu said:
AND SINCE ALL THE NEW SIMS ARE DIGITAL, IT ONLY MEANS THAT WE MIGHT NOT HAVE THIS THING WORKING... right???
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As far as I know sims have always been digital!
When talking about 'analog' with the dual sim adapters it's a reference to the switching technology used.
So..... I've got it working without problems. 3G / USIM works as well.
Pretty happy with it!
Related
Is it posible to have dual sim in trinity? if so, how?
thanks
Yes I've one 10th generation dual-sim cut adapter, works fine on trinity, but too much battery consuming.
pof said:
Yes I've one 10th generation dual-sim cut adapter, works fine on trinity, but too much battery consuming.
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Hello… it is of that the cards stand out or of that the two cards are connected? thanks
dual-sim
pof said:
Yes I've one 10th generation dual-sim cut adapter, works fine on trinity, but too much battery consuming.
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where I can get it?
sanchezj said:
Hello… it is of that the cards stand out or of that the two cards are connected? thanks
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You only can use one at a time, you have a STK application to switch between SIMs, you have to cut the SIMs to put them inside the adapter.
Hoash said:
where I can get it?
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search in eBay
pof said:
You only can use one at a time, you have a STK application to switch between SIMs, you have to cut the SIMs to put them inside the adapter.
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thanks pof… for your answer and your work in benefit of others. GREETINGS
I have also a non digital dual sim adapter, battery consuming is on the same level as without a dual sim adapter
http://www.hot-wire-telekom.de/inde...HW130010&uid=24e81e5fcfb3c8f97a3e4817e4a6330d
I have these for sale at £13 delivered anywhere in UK.
If interested e-mail me at [email protected]
Check my threads on the universal and orbit forums and you will know I am legitimate.
I also sell application cd's for this device for £6 delivered.
The problem with these dual SIM adaptors is that none so far are really made for 3G SIM cards. I know some 3G SIM cards work. Can people state where and what network they are on???
I personally was looking for one that you dont have to cut the SIMs... The Trinity seems to have a bit of space between and the phone so one fits easily. I dont mind if they dont have the STK application or if I have to switch the phone off each time to switch SIM...
Is anyone aware of any?
K
My Dual Sim adapter work very fine with 3G Cards but u have to cut them
YYYYY said:
I have also a non digital dual sim adapter, battery consuming is on the same level as without a dual sim adapter
http://www.hot-wire-telekom.de/inde...HW130010&uid=24e81e5fcfb3c8f97a3e4817e4a6330d
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I'm using the same ANALOG-Dual-SIM-Adapter from Hot-Wire-Telekom with my Trinity!
You switch between SIM's by using the HTC-Comm-Application (switching Flight-mode ON/OFF)
Procedure: Switch Flight-Mode ON - wait 10-15 seconds - Switch Flight-Mode OFF
Works like a charm, but once in a while I get a SIM-error, but after repeating the switching-procedure everything works fine again. So no problem at all.
Highly recommended!
Also be aware of the fact that DIGITAL adapters (switch via SIM-Application-Tool) WONT work with UMTS-SIM's!!!!
Took me a long time (and 30 bucks) to realize this.
My Analog-adapter works fine so far with Hutchinson 3G Austria ("THREE" is an UMTS-only Provider) and Telering Austria (GSM-Only Provider).
Thanks for the info but you have to cut SIMs from:
http://www.hot-wire-telekom.de/inde...HW130010&uid=24e81e5fcfb3c8f97a3e4817e4a6330d
Is there a non-cut solution? I have cut in the past just would prefer not to
Plus must be a tight fit the Dual Sim Adaptor in the Trinity SIM slot... isnt it?
K
Kyri said:
Is there a non-cut solution?
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Only possible non-cut solution is sim emulator. Silvercard (SIMEmu 6.16i firmware) based one works perfectly on all my devices.
It supports up to 10 (or even more - don't remember) sim's and sized as an ordinary sim card. Silvercard itself is priced about 10$.
That were advantages. Drawbacks are:
You need a smartcard programmer (priced ~50$ but if you have some electronics and soldering experience you can diy in a hour).
3G SIMs are not supported at all.
Some 2G SIMs could not be copied to emulator too.
Analog 3G supported dual sim card adaptor?
Hi,
I use the 12th generation Digital dual sim card adaptor which works like a charm (with a 3G & 2G sim cards with cutting) but the only thing is that it drains the battery.
I this german analog dual sim adaptor supporting the 3G?
Is there any other producers or any links?
Thanks
Finally a good solution!
I've used the digital dual sim card adaptor (12th generation) which drains a lot of battery.
I purchased from freeyourmobile.com the power on/off dual sim card holder which works great with 3G cards. The battery does not drain any longer!!
This is a solution where u have to cut the original sims of course
Wow, I am very happy
sayborg said:
I've used the digital dual sim card adaptor (12th generation) which drains a lot of battery.
I purchased from freeyourmobile.com the power on/off dual sim card holder which works great with 3G cards. The battery does not drain any longer!!
This is a solution where u have to cut the original sims of course
Wow, I am very happy
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I request to you you explain something to us more about dual power on/off sim card to holder… how much has cost… how you change between telephone… consumption to you battery… really works with the Trinity without problems?
Sim Switcher on Trinity
Hi guys...
I'm about to get a Trinity PDA and was wondering if it was possible to use a twin-sim adapter on it, this is how I came across your forum.
If I believe what I read it works fine, I was just wondering if the only way to operate it was to switch on and off the flight mode, or if a piece of software such as SimSwitcher (http://www.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=19046) could help.
Thanks for answering
hi I supply the dual sim for the trinity
price: £13 delivered anywhere in UK
e-mail [email protected]
or send direct payment via paypal to [email protected]
Hi,
No need to power off/on the HTC. Flight mode off/on is enough to change the network. You can also use sim switcher which works great.!!! No battery drain anymore!!!
Thanks for answering. I've purchased the thing and can say it's the best device I've had by far !
About Sim Switcher, can you tell me which simcard works with it ?
Thanks again
Anyone know if dual sim adapter work on polaris? I have one on my glorious old Qtek 9090 switching radio simply starting and stopping flight mode. Can i made the same thing?
Ciao.
I've tried a 20th generation dual sime but doesn't work.
I ordered a simore dual sim silver, i'll get back to you when i've tested it.
Thanks seyo23. I'll wait notice!
My old dual sim holder (6th generation I guess) worked the first time I insert in my new Cruise. After few software installing (phone alarm, Agenda fusion, s2u2) It don't work well more! One operator work only after a soft reset! Any ideas? Or what kind of dual sim adapter work surely for cruise? Ciao
I bought a simore dual sim silver.
It works perfectly, but it drain a bit the battery, i think i can run my cruise 2 days without recharging (3G off, Bluetooth off, etc...)
Few phones, sms, direct push activated
Without the simore, i think it can last for 3 days.
Simore is a bit expensive but it's the only one who works correctly (3G) as far as i know.
Hope this could help you.
Thank seyo, some link to buy it?
It's here : http://www.simore.ch/
I don't make any pub and i don't work for them
Thanks a lot seyo23! Have you tried this adapter with phone alarm (you have the possibility of switching profile selecting cicle radio, my old adapter worked well with this soft and this automatize all needs...). Ciao
Guys, with this module you can have 2 different carriers activated at all times ?
my gf has different carrier than me and i want a different card to be able to talk with her limitless all the time.
Please someone specify how it works, i am interested a lot.
Only one active, switching fly mode on and off you can change carrier.
Hope this help you sedde. Ciao
I also tried a 20th generation adaptor and it works perfectly. Provider is also displayed correctly. Try to tape the lower 2 contacts at the sim holder, because Polaris has 8, but common sims and also adaptors only need 6. I also turned UMTS off, but i think there's no need to. It's a digital one with stk menu, can found at ebay for about 10€. Will report power consumption in a few days.
Mobile: german o² XDA Orbit 2 (Polaris)
Radiorom: Murata
Which one??
seyo23 said:
It's here : http://www.simore.ch/
I don't make any pub and i don't work for them
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Sey023, could you tell us which dual sim card you use? The dual sim card Silver 1 or 2? They are different.
Regards,
Raymond
Be careful: If you want to use 3G there is no working digital dual sim adapter in the market at the moment (in fact, I haven't heard of one - even the Simore can't do that). Only the ananlogue adapters are capable of this feature so far.
i have had my e650 for about 4 months, 2 months waiting for a screen.
I come to my phone the other day. BTW: i havent had credit for about 12 months. So opens internet explorer and types in news and it searches bing. Hold on? i havent got any credit. so i tryed google, loaded ok. facebook same.
With no credit!
No i wasnt using wifi because i was in school.
So i have been using the free internet for 1 1/2 days.
Why the free internet?
flyboy
Now they have disconnected my number.
This is related yo tour SIM card and has nothing to do with your device. Simply the different systems that check if your SIM is still alive and control your balance seem not well aligned, you were just lucky - that's all.
Iam not lucky that they disconnected my number!
Do you expect to have free surfing forever? The operator needs to make money to have the technology maintained - so pay your share or use WIFI. WIFI in the device is a main reason for the S710.
Im not thick
I discovered it wont read sim cards now for some strange reason.
So i might take it apart and fix it if i can.
Accessing the SIM requires to completely disassemble the device. There is nothing which could break either in that area, so I doubt that it will help.
Cross check if the same SIM runs in other devices - and if so then try to clean the SIM slot with medical alcohol and some cardboard that fits the thickness. If you are careful you will not break or bend any contact.
What is the message that device tells you when you try to use the SIM card?
Well brief history:
I got given 3 voxes
man said fix 1, you can keep the other two.
Made a good one out the two
Kept it and it works.
So i know how to take it apart. And i have had probs with muck getting in the top part of phone before so its probly muck. As you say i will clean it will alcohol wipes and get back to you!
thanks
flyboy
btw: i just get the message when you dont have the sim card in.
and have tried in 02 XDA II and works fine.
I tryed cleaning the contacts but it still wont read sim cards.
Could it be something in the rom?
flyboy
If you have some spare parts from other devices, just swap the upper PBA to see if it is a HW fault. I doubt it is a ROM problem, but you can swap ROMs as well to check.
What is the error message?
Can it just not find a network?
Is the SIM tollkit available (an additional menu item that links to the SIM card)?
Did you mess around with SIM unlocking tools (they may ruin your encrypted area on the device that holds IMEI, CID, Serial SIMLock end so on)? The encrypted area is not touched by any ROM update.
The phone acts like there is no sim in. I have tryed cleaning the contacts but no luck. I might try and flash a new rom to it. But as spare parts go i will have to wait till my Uncle gets back from work because i give them to him for his e650.
flyboy
So ive swapped sim slot and mainboard and the phone still says "no sim or sim invalid. But it works on my xdaII. I just dont get it!
can anyone help?
flyboy
Well i have changed almost everything and the sim still wont work on a vox.
new sim should come soon.
flyboy
Hi all:
I am hoping that there are some hardware folks out there that may be able to shed some light on my situation.
I have a 4G Xoom. I wanted to be able to use the same SIM card in my Xoom as my Razr Maxx, but the Maxx uses a micro SIM, so I activated a regular mini SIM in my wife's Spectrum with my phone number and tried the SIM in the Xoom and it worked great. I then cut the SIM down to micro size and put it in my Razr Maxx, again worked great.
I planned on using the remainder of the mini SIM card that I punched the micro SIM from as an adapter for use in the Xoom. I figured that it was a good idea to store the "adapter" in the SIM card tray/slot of the Xoom until I needed it...BAD IDEA! Due to the nature of the spring loaded contacts the "adapter" got stuck, hung up on the contacts. I thought that an easy fix would be to slide something thin in the slot to free up the adapter. It worked in so far as I got the tray and the homemade adapter out, but I must have pressed too hard on the back three contacts as they no longer made contact with a SIM card.
I took the Xoom apart and used a paper clip to raise the contacts back up, but I raised them too far so I went in again and still didn't get it right because although I had a signal on the meter I could not connect to anything. The third time was the charm. I got a signal and was surfing the web!
Now the strange/good part. I now get a full 4G signal (presumably because I am roaming on a non-Verizon tower) as opposed to the usually poor signal at my house. I live right on the edge of a Verizon 4G service area. The Xoom surfs much faster now than before I broke it, but why? Did I short something out? Did I fail to raise one of the contact pins enough? It isn't the SIM, I verified that with another device. I did something to the SIM card slot, contacts, or a related electrical component, but what?
I want to "break"my Razr Maxx and my wife's Spectrum also!
Thanks for any thoughts from any of you hardware guys or anyone that knows how SIM cards work. I don't even know what contact/pin does what.
Thanks
RTW
ridingthewave said:
i look into but i see noting, how do you raise it up ?
(i make a mistake, push adapter without micro sim )
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I did the same thing and I soldered extention on my sim tray. here is how I did it:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=38975990#post38975990
You should be able to take it to a local electronic repair man and have them do it, if your xoom is out of warranty.
Is anyone else having this problem?
I've got a dual SIM SGS6 from Expansys AU (based in HK). I've got a new nano SIM card in SIM1 slot, SIM2 is empty. I've transferred my service across to the new SIM and confirmed (using an adaptor) that I can get 4G service fine on my Nexus 5.
However on my SGS6 it only shows 3G, H or H+, never 4G. I also find that every few minutes the data connection goes completely. I happened to be in the dual SIM menu at the time and noticed it went from showing only SIM1 being present to both SIM1 and SIM2 being lit up - as you can see this corresponds with the phone showing 'no signal' in the notification tray. It also keeps on sometimes showing the message "When changing SIM Card, Data service slot also can be changed. When you want to change Network mode, please go Mobile network menu and change it." (poor grammar all Samsung's!)
Has anyone seen this before or is it going to be a case of having to ship it back to them?
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Is anyone else having this problem?
I've got a dual SIM SGS6 from Expansys AU (based in HK). I've got a new nano SIM card in SIM1 slot, SIM2 is empty. I've transferred my service across to the new SIM and confirmed (using an adaptor) that I can get 4G service fine on my Nexus 5.
However on my SGS6 it only shows 3G, H or H+, never 4G. I also find that every few minutes the data connection goes completely. I happened to be in the dual SIM menu at the time and noticed it went from showing only SIM1 being present to both SIM1 and SIM2 being lit up - as you can see this corresponds with the phone showing 'no signal' in the notification tray. It also keeps on sometimes showing the message "When changing SIM Card, Data service slot also can be changed. When you want to change Network mode, please go Mobile network menu and change it." (poor grammar all Samsung's!)
Has anyone seen this before or is it going to be a case of having to ship it back to them?
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Aren't the dial sim versions intended for the Chinese markets? If that's the case, you may not have the correct LTE radio bands for where you live.
Doesn't seem to be that - the bands fit according to the specs and at some points it does connect properly to 4G/4G+ - it just doesn't hold it
Maybe damaged SIM??
Don't think so - it's a brand new Nano SIM direct from the network and works stably in 4G on my Nexus 5 (with a nano to micro adaptor).
Managed to get 4G/4G+ working for a while yesterday and today, but has now stopped working again.
Get a message everytime the phone boots re. network manager (as posted in OP), which doesn't seem right to me. Also finding it still drops all network connections from time to time and even switched off totally at one point today. I've gone back to the retailer requesting a return either for full refund or exchange for replacement.
What was the outcome?
alanjrobertson said:
Don't think so - it's a brand new Nano SIM direct from the network and works stably in 4G on my Nexus 5 (with a nano to micro adaptor).
Managed to get 4G/4G+ working for a while yesterday and today, but has now stopped working again.
Get a message everytime the phone boots re. network manager (as posted in OP), which doesn't seem right to me. Also finding it still drops all network connections from time to time and even switched off totally at one point today. I've gone back to the retailer requesting a return either for full refund or exchange for replacement.
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Thanks for your posts Alan I am having similar issues with 1 day old Galaxy S6 dual sim in Australia with Telstra.
- Phone loses connection to carrier (both) from time to time - especially if in the sim manager screen but also just randomly
- It looks like it is seeking a network - like polling through different bands
- if i watch it for a while i can often catch it doing this
- on 4 occasions in a day this has then reboot the phone
- it has not yet dropped out during a call - not sure if this is just luck
- I am asking for it to be declared DOA but not sure how that will go yet
I was wondering if you returned or swapped your phone or found a fix.
Thanks
Dodgyd-AU
Sadly that sounds pretty similar to my experience I ended up returning it (although am having ongoing issues with the retailer, Expansys, in getting a full refund!) and subsequently bought a single SIM model direct from Samsung.