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[Q] knox and rooting,

hi,
just got a n915FY and im also a newbie to Android.
What is knox exactly and what happens if i root ? i cant find a simple explaination of what it is. Also how do i go back to normal unroot or reload my firewear? im used to iphones and just using itunes to restore if my jailbreak failed. whats the samsung/android alt?
thanks in advance

oscarricher said:
hi,
just got a n915FY and im also a newbie to Android.
What is knox exactly and what happens if i root ? i cant find a simple explaination of what it is. Also how do i go back to normal unroot or reload my firewear? im used to iphones and just using itunes to restore if my jailbreak failed. whats the samsung/android alt?
thanks in advance
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If you root, because you need to change either the kernel or recovery, you will when you go to download mode have a notification saying "Knox warranty void = 0x1". It is 0x0 before rooting.
To unroot you just flash the stock rom again using ODIN, however the Knox warranty void will stay 0x1...
Knox is a security feature that Samsung put on so that companies/spies and paranoid people could use a "secure" partition. Anything inside the Knox partition is un-accessible without the correct password that you should have. However, forget your password and loose anything inside the Knox partition.
Knox doesn't like root access as it can (potentially) break the security.

[Q] Will Unrooting the Galaxy S6 With the superSU app going trip KNOX Counter ?

Hello ,
I have previously successfully rooted my galaxy S6 using PingPong without tripping the KNOX Counter . Unfortunately now i have some issues with the phone's connector and i'm planning to send it to warranty . I have 2 questions here :
1- KNOX flag is still on 0 but the phone is rooted , will it be accepted on warranty in this state ?
2- If I unroot my phone using the SU app "Delete Root" functionnality would that increase my KNOX Counter ?
Thanks for your help

Does anyone knows at least the answer for the 2nd question ?

hbenfre said:
Does anyone knows at least the answer for the 2nd question ?
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I don't have the answers for your questions, but if you flash a stock firmware through Odin, or if you update the phone using Smart Switch (Kies for newer models) you'll lose root, and Knox will not be tripped.

Uzair40 said:
I don't have the answers for your questions, but if you flash a stock firmware through Odin, or if you update the phone using Smart Switch (Kies for newer models) you'll lose root, and Knox will not be tripped.
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I thought about that too but the problem here is that the connector is not working anymore ( that's the reason i'm sending it back to warranty ) unless there's a way to do a flash without an USB cable ?

hbenfre said:
Hello ,
I have previously successfully rooted my galaxy S6 using PingPong without tripping the KNOX Counter . Unfortunately now i have some issues with the phone's connector and i'm planning to send it to warranty . I have 2 questions here :
1- KNOX flag is still on 0 but the phone is rooted , will it be accepted on warranty in this state ?
2- If I unroot my phone using the SU app "Delete Root" functionnality would that increase my KNOX Counter ?
Thanks for your help
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1. Yes they will accept it for warranty
2. No this will not increase your KNOX counter.
So you can send it to warranty.
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_SDroid said:
1. Yes they will accept it for warranty
2. No this will not increase your KNOX counter.
So you can send it to warranty.
// Thank me if I helped you
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Thanks dude !

hbenfre said:
Hello ,
I have previously successfully rooted my galaxy S6 using PingPong without tripping the KNOX Counter . Unfortunately now i have some issues with the phone's connector and i'm planning to send it to warranty . I have 2 questions here :
1- KNOX flag is still on 0 but the phone is rooted , will it be accepted on warranty in this state ?
2- If I unroot my phone using the SU app "Delete Root" functionnality would that increase my KNOX Counter ?
Thanks for your help
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How did you root without tripping knox?

Kristjan P said:
How did you root without tripping knox?
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PingPong root http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6/general/root-pingpongroot-s6-root-tool-t3103016

[HELP] Is there anyway to get Knox back after rooting J700F?

Guys i have to get back knox for security reasons. I know a lot of you guys think knox is useless and i also know that you may be right but for me, i use knox on daily basis. So please is there anyway to get back knox after rooting as when i install My Knox from playstore it says device modified cannot install.

I guess you will have to revert back to official unrooted stock rom and then only you can get knox back. For now atleast its the way to get knox back.

I'm afraid u can't bring back Knox...
I'm one among the few who happens to like Knox but the thing is when u root ur phone ur Knox warranty gets tripped.... When u go to download mode u can see a status "Knox warranty void : 1" it means that Knox can't work again in ur phone even if u completely unroot it and do a fresh install of the default rom. Ur Knox container is deleted and can never b accessed..... As of date there's no way to reverse this knox counter to 0 to make Knox work again.... So... I'm sorry mate....

KingRoot Questions

1. Did anyone try KingRoot and found a working method?
2. Does this trip the Knox Counter as soon as it works?
Both questions are related to the portable version of KingRoot for Android.
Thanks.

1) no
2) no one used it so they can't say what it does, if anything

Mystixor said:
2. Does this trip the Knox Counter as soon as it works?
Both questions are related to the portable version of KingRoot for Android.
Thanks.
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Any method of rooting this device will trip the Knox counter.

the_scotsman said:
Any method of rooting this device will trip the Knox counter.
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Really? And I always thought it was due to flashing a new firmware...
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Mystixor said:
Really? And I always thought it was due to flashing a new firmware...
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Nope, flashing new official samsung firmware won't trip Knox.

the_scotsman said:
Nope, flashing new official samsung firmware won't trip Knox.
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Well what I wanted to stress wasn't that a custom firmware trips Knox but that KingRoot does not flash a new firmware and therefore potentially does not trip Knox. All it uses is an exploit to change some specific root-determining system files.
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Mystixor said:
Well what I wanted to stress wasn't that a custom firmware trips Knox but that KingRoot does not flash a new firmware and therefore potentially does not trip Knox. All it uses is an exploit to change some specific root-determining system files.
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Knox detects if system files are changed, it is simply not possible to change or modify any system files in any way without tripping Knox. So if you managed to use any sort of 3rd party application to root (not possible currently), the application would trip Knox, because it modifies system files.
The Knox security bombproof to the level that a physical fuse is blown inside the phone when Knox is tripped, meaning there is no way to un-trip Knox through software once it's been tripped. It's possible to fool the ROM to think that it's not tripped (like some S8 ported ROMs, to enable secure folder), but warranty can never be restored, as the Knox counter in download mode can't be tricked.

galaxyYtester said:
Knox detects if system files are changed, it is simply not possible to change or modify any system files in any way without tripping Knox. So if you managed to use any sort of 3rd party application to root (not possible currently), the application would trip Knox, because it modifies system.
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It was possible
Kingroot used to work on s6 you could root with knox intact and use all root features only thing that would trip knox was custom recovery and/or rom
Wish it could be done with s8

skinza said:
It was possible
Kingroot used to work on s6 you could root with knox intact and use all root features only thing that would trip knox was custom recovery and/or rom
Wish it could be done with s8
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That was over 2 years ago, when you could use root tools to reset the counter back to not tripped. Nowadays the security is much more strict, and there's a physical fuse inside the phone that gets blown when Knox is tripped. Knox isn't a bootloader-only thing anymore, now it scans system files to see any third party tampering, and gets tripped if it's detected.

galaxyYtester said:
That was over 2 years ago, when you could use root tools to reset the counter back to not tripped. Nowadays the security is much more strict, and there's a physical fuse inside the phone that gets blown when Knox is tripped. Knox isn't a bootloader-only thing anymore, now it scans system files to see any third party tampering, and gets tripped if it's detected.
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Yep, Knox is totally solid these days. Its impossible to not trip it when rooting. F*** it and root the phone anyway, if it breaks ill claim it on insurance not through warranty.
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galaxyYtester said:
That was over 2 years ago, when you could use root tools to reset the counter back to not tripped. Nowadays the security is much more strict, and there's a physical fuse inside the phone that gets blown when Knox is tripped. Knox isn't a bootloader-only thing anymore, now it scans system files to see any third party tampering, and gets tripped if it's detected.
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There was no need to reset anything i rooted used some tweaks then when i restored my knox was still 0x0
I never phiscally reset anything
Even while i was rooted my phone still said 0x0

skinza said:
There was no need to reset anything i rooted used some tweaks then when i restored my knox was still 0x0
I never phiscally reset anything
Even while i was rooted my phone still said 0x0
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I didn't mean that, I meant that if you rooted with a method that worked through bootloader (Not kingoroot), you still could restore Knox to not tripped through root tools. Knox security used to be that simple to bypass, nowadays it's impossible to revert once tripped.

Having successfully rooted two HTC devices and a Samsung devices in the past and loved every minute of it, I was kinda excited when Kingroot props said it was possible to root the later Notes... but I never did my old Note 4, partially but not primarily because of the Knox issue.
I've heard different things RE: Knox, pretty much covers what everyone else has been saying here (no way to reset Knox, possible to reset Knox, "soft-root" via Kingroot trips/doesn't trip Knox counter, etc.) Personally, since the Note 4 issue where (correct me if I'm wrong) that Samsung phone was the first one that full rooting was impossible, I've pretty much given up on rooting for a while. Though S8+ may be possible to root (provided you're OK with possibly never resetting Knox), I'm OK with my S8+ non-rooted stock (for now), just like I HAD to be OK with my old Note 4 never being able to be rooted.
I guess my bottom line take on all this is, root at your own risk, know what you're doing, and do it if you can say "Knox be damned" and have no intention of trading the phone back in or reselling it to someone who knows nothing about rooting.
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BereanPK said:
Having successfully rooted two HTC devices and a Samsung devices in the past and loved every minute of it, I was kinda excited when Kingroot props said it was possible to root the later Notes... but I never did my old Note 4, partially but not primarily because of the Knox issue.
I've heard different things RE: Knox, pretty much covers what everyone else has been saying here (no way to reset Knox, possible to reset Knox, "soft-root" via Kingroot trips/doesn't trip Knox counter, etc.) Personally, since the Note 4 issue where (correct me if I'm wrong) that Samsung phone was the first one that full rooting was impossible, I've pretty much given up on rooting for a while. Though S8+ may be possible to root (provided you're OK with possibly never resetting Knox), I'm OK with my S8+ non-rooted stock (for now), just like I HAD to be OK with my old Note 4 never being able to be rooted.
I guess my bottom line take on all this is, root at your own risk, know what you're doing, and do it if you can say "Knox be damned" and have no intention of trading the phone back in or reselling it to someone who knows nothing about rooting.
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Root became possible on note 4 after a program to alter cid to dev version was released. Also because something was possible before shouldn't mean it's possible anymore as things are updated, common sense.

skinza said:
There was no need to reset anything i rooted used some tweaks then when i restored my knox was still 0x0
I never phiscally reset anything
Even while i was rooted my phone still said 0x0
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As I said, it's not possible to root the S8 without tripping Knox. Regardless of how it was with the S6. This is the S8, it's different. It cannot be done.

the_scotsman said:
As I said, it's not possible to root the S8 without tripping Knox. Regardless of how it was with the S6. This is the S8, it's different. It cannot be done.
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Definitely
Those days are over unless someone gets lucky,i know they wont though just wishful thinking

Well.. Do samsung says knox became bulletproof, or does the best hackers see it that way to?

rk73 said:
Well.. Do samsung says knox became bulletproof, or does the best hackers see it that way to?
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Both sides.
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About rooting S7

I am sorry for being dumb by post this questions, I want to root my S7 so i can install costume rooms.
My question is; does rooting can affect my device and make problems?
What is this whole thing about the Samsung Knox?
What is the simple way to flash rom white/out root?
If i want to restore my phone to the stock, it is possible to do it?
And what about the warranty is the warranty will become void?
Thanks in advanced.

rheh104 said:
I am sorry for being dumb by post this questions, I want to root my S7 so i can install costume rooms.
My question is; does rooting can affect my device and make problems?
What is this whole thing about the Samsung Knox?
What is the simple way to flash rom white/out root?
If i want to restore my phone to the stock, it is possible to do it?
And what about the warranty is the warranty will become void?
Thanks in advanced.
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I think about root
U will get a lot of articale on google about
advantage of root and disadvantages of root
About knox
If you root your device, you trip the Knox Warranty bit. Knox services do not run on devices that have tripped the Warranty bit, because this indicates a device is rooted and flashed with an unofficial Android build
But u can flash custom rom without root but when u will flash any custom recovery your will warranty not be valid
And i don't about
Is there any way to revert your warranty of u have triggered knox
But u can easily come to your stock rom
With root or without root

shabbir143 said:
I think about root
U will get a lot of articale on google about
advantage of root and disadvantages of root
About knox
If you root your device, you trip the Knox Warranty bit. Knox services do not run on devices that have tripped the Warranty bit, because this indicates a device is rooted and flashed with an unofficial Android build
But u can flash custom rom without root but when u will flash any custom recovery your will warranty not be valid
And i don't about
Is there any way to revert your warranty of u have triggered knox
But u can easily come to your stock rom
With root or without root
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And if i install rom how to install TWRP whiteout root?
And is it possible to delete TWRP?

rheh104 said:
And if i install rom how to install TWRP whiteout root?
And is it possible to delete TWRP?
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You must use Odin to flash twrp recovery, just watch on YouTube there are many useful videos about it. This is how you root your phone.
Yes it is possible to go back on stock Samsung rom by flashing stock rom from sammobile or updato site. Everything will be as it was before root except your Knox is void 0x1 and u cant use Samsung Pay ect.

Scorpionea said:
You must use Odin to flash twrp recovery, just watch on YouTube there are many useful videos about it. This is how you root your phone.
Yes it is possible to go back on stock Samsung rom by flashing stock rom from sammobile or updato site. Everything will be as it was before root except your Knox is void 0x1 and u cant use Samsung Pay ect.
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Samsung pay is not available in my country so...

rheh104 said:
Samsung pay is not available in my country so...
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So then it's no problem, but be sure to know what u doing . Watch few videos , watch again if u never done this before and you will get there.

Scorpionea said:
So then it's no problem, but be sure to know what u doing . Watch few videos , watch again if u never done this before and you will get there.
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Thanks for helping me out, one last thing; i have all my images on the samsung cloud and i found this thing: The following Knox services are affected if a Warranty bit is tripped.
Knox Platform for Enterprise
Existing Workspace's are permanently locked and the data is no longer accessible.
New Workspace's can't be created.
Knox Cloud Services
All Knox Cloud services stop working because they rely on a Knox license key to operate – For example, Knox Mobile Enrollment, Knox Configure, and Knox Manage.
Other Secure Samsung services
Samsung E-FOTA stops working.
Unique Knox security features stop working, such as Real Time Kernel Protection (RKP) , or Device Attestation.
Other Samsung Services that require Knox stop working – for example, Samsung Pay and Secure Folder.
If i will root my S7 all photos will be locked or removed?

rheh104 said:
Thanks for helping me out, one last thing; i have all my images on the samsung cloud and i found this thing: The following Knox services are affected if a Warranty bit is tripped.
Knox Platform for Enterprise
Existing Workspace's are permanently locked and the data is no longer accessible.
New Workspace's can't be created.
Knox Cloud Services
All Knox Cloud services stop working because they rely on a Knox license key to operate – For example, Knox Mobile Enrollment, Knox Configure, and Knox Manage.
Other Secure Samsung services
Samsung E-FOTA stops working.
Unique Knox security features stop working, such as Real Time Kernel Protection (RKP) , or Device Attestation.
Other Samsung Services that require Knox stop working – for example, Samsung Pay and Secure Folder.
If i will root my S7 all photos will be locked or removed?
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Hm I really dont know, just tried to search a bit and couldn't find much info . It seems Samsung cloud isn't affected by root.
Personally I dont use Samsung cloud .

Scorpionea said:
Hm I really dont know, just tried to search a bit and couldn't find much info . It seems Samsung cloud isn't affected by root.
Personally I dont use Samsung cloud .
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Just raed about this knox **** and some people said that they root their devices and the root ruined thiers devices oh **** man it is a big dilemma

rheh104 said:
Just raed about this knox **** and some people said that they root their devices and the root ruined thiers devices oh **** man it is a big dilemma
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Nope ,root will not ruined your device at all. Dunno what u have read but people can make mistakes trying to root it or whatever they trying to do.
Can't help you much then this, it's your call to root it or not