[Q] HTC Sensation(ally) Bricked - Real challenge - HTC Sensation

Hi everybody.
I just got a bricked HTC Sensation to play with from a guy who messed up with a Rom installation. As far as he told me, he tried to upgrade from GB to ICS directly and bricked it. The problem is that I don't know what he tried to do after that to recover it. He first told me that the phone was detected on Windows (with the typical USB alert sound) but nothing happened after that. I supposed that the phone was able to get QHSUSB_DLOAD mode and accepted the challenge!
The truth is that the phone is not recognized at all. I tried the HTC Unbricking Project under Linux (Mint 16 - 64bits) but the phone was not recognized at the first step (./brickdetect.sh). Then, just to make sure, I checked linux's log messages (tail -f /var/log/syslog) but the phone was not even detected by the USB port when was plugged or unplugged. Finally, as I had nothing to lose, I tried the wire trick as in this video as the guy successfully returned to life a completely bricked phone at least up to QHSUSB_DLOAD state. ...nothing, zero, nada, finito.
Is there anything else I could try to revive this phone before trying to sell it as for spare parts? Another extra challenge is that I don't really know if it is S-On, S-Off nor hboot version. I was just told that it was fully unlocked (I suppose it it S-off)
Well, that's the story. Any orientation will be more than welcome! Please, also If I'm missing any important detail let me know.
Thanks!

santasemilla said:
Hi everybody.
I just got a bricked HTC Sensation to play with from a guy who messed up with a Rom installation. As far as he told me, he tried to upgrade from GB to ICS directly and bricked it. The problem is that I don't know what he tried to do after that to recover it. He first told me that the phone was detected on Windows (with the typical USB alert sound) but nothing happened after that. I supposed that the phone was able to get QHSUSB_DLOAD mode and accepted the challenge!
The truth is that the phone is not recognized at all. I tried the HTC Unbricking Project under Linux (Mint 16 - 64bits) but the phone was not recognized at the first step (./brickdetect.sh). Then, just to make sure, I checked linux's log messages (tail -f /var/log/syslog) but the phone was not even detected by the USB port when was plugged or unplugged. Finally, as I had nothing to lose, I tried the wire trick as in this video as the guy successfully returned to life a completely bricked phone at least up to QHSUSB_DLOAD state. ...nothing, zero, nada, finito.
Is there anything else I could try to revive this phone before trying to sell it as for spare parts? Another extra challenge is that I don't really know if it is S-On, S-Off nor hboot version. I was just told that it was fully unlocked (I suppose it it S-off)
Well, that's the story. Any orientation will be more than welcome! Please, also If I'm missing any important detail let me know.
Thanks!
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did you try to see if you have access to the bootloader at all?
if yes and you don't have access then go for jtag

rzr86 said:
did you try to see if you have access to the bootloader at all?
if yes and you don't have access then go for jtag
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Thanks! Noup, I don't have access to anything, its a USB potato. Unfortunately, I'm not in the US so I can't go for jtag
I think I'm toasted

santasemilla said:
Thanks! Noup, I don't have access to anything, its a USB potato. Unfortunately, I'm not in the US so I can't go for jtag
I think I'm toasted
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Gonna sound simple but does the battery have charge in it? It sounds like there may have been a time gap between them breaking it and you getting it only takes a few hours on the charge to be sure
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heavy_metal_man said:
Gonna sound simple but does the battery have charge in it? It sounds like there may have been a time gap between them breaking it and you getting it only takes a few hours on the charge to be sure
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Hey! Thanks for your reply. Yes, I left the phone charging a whole night and it was dead cold. I tried again after this charge and nothing happened. Tried with and without battery (as HTC Unbricking Project states) and nothing.
Anyway, I already have a person interested in the phone for spare parts so I guess that was "Mary Jane's last dance"

santasemilla said:
Hey! Thanks for your reply. Yes, I left the phone charging a whole night and it was dead cold. I tried again after this charge and nothing happened. Tried with and without battery (as HTC Unbricking Project states) and nothing.
Anyway, I already have a person interested in the phone for spare parts so I guess that was "Mary Jane's last dance"
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Fair enough pal
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Phone completely Dead

So I lent my brother my nexus s that had cm7 on it. He got into the clockworkmod, went to mounts/storage, and proceeded to format everything (bootloader, boot data, etc. everything in there) he said he thought that would fix the force closes, I figured no biggie, but now I can't even get the phone into download mode and I have no idea what to do, the phone will simply not turn on
wow.... dont even know why he would do that.
rule 1: dont lend people your phone.
and i dont know why you would try and get into download mode, Odin isn't the first thing you want to go to.
1. turn the phone off (if it isnt already)
2. hold volume up + power
... what happens? does bootloader mode pop up?
- plug your phone in your computer's USB
- does the sound for USB plugged in occur?
- does computer detect it?
Can't access fastboot.
Phone sometimes recognizes it and says this device is not recognized and it couldn't install the usb driver, sometimes when i plug it in it does nothing.
Didn't want to lend it to him, had no choice. I told him he should have just fixed the permissions on the phone, but then again he's not exactly android literate.
thats just dumb on his part.. i dont know why he would try and mess with your device. if it has problems, just ask you first.
its probably bricked if you cant access download or bootloader... definitely bricked if the computer is unable to detect it
your only way out of it is to get a replacement
In Device/Drivers of windows under Unspecified there's this:
SEC S5PC110 Test/BD
says drivers are not installed
Anybody out there with a solution?
I think there is more than one driver you can try, though I've never flashed anything in Windows (Linux already comes with the driver ), so I don't know for sure. I think I've seen people mentioned a few drivers before, try search for all the "brick" threads here.
Easiest solution might be to download a Linux live distribution (f.e. ubuntu) and run fastboot from there. No need to install any drivers.
Kicking him in the nuts will probably make you feel better... I don't know if it'll fix your phone though.
jruweaver said:
Kicking him in the nuts will probably make you feel better... I don't know if it'll fix your phone though.
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lmao!!!!!!!!!!
KryPTiCk0d3 said:
lmao!!!!!!!!!!
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While funny, it doesn't help one bit.
I would try the various methods to get into download mode and use Odin to fix it ...you might be screwed tho
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SphericalPuma said:
While funny, it doesn't help one bit.
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Unfortunately with the state your phone is in it is probably going to be the best advice you get.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000175
any chance that this could help you?
Ddi you ever get your phone sorted ? I'm now in the same situation !
Yes, hit up http://www.mobiletechvideos.com/blog/?page_id=970 For 50 bucks they'll fix your phone and ship it back to you in no time. They got my phone on a Friday, I got it back on either Monday or Tuesday. Of course they're based in Texas and I'm in STL so it could differ for you, but the point is, they're fast, reliable, and professional.
Thanks for that - I'm based in Ireland but I'll give them a shout and see if we can do business......
Thanks a million for the reference PUMA. Please contact me when you are in need of a brick fix. I fix hundreds of Galaxy S / Samsung / HTC variants and several others in a brick of nearly any scenario. I've devoted a lot of time to providing and almost unseen service to people in need versus parting the phone out or trashing it.

Sensation bricked.. I think anyway

My sensation went off last night and wont come back on, no charging light no screen etc...
the only thing is usb does kinda pick it up as QHSUSB_DLOAD with no drivers to install, any ideas?
edit: never mind i now know this is bricked and a jtag needs doing....
Help! Same problem
I have no power to the device. Tmobile sent me a new sensation but i would like to try and fix the old one before i send it back, only have 5 more days.
Its not the battery or the sd since they both work fine in new phone.
Windows reads the same thing when on usb. No drivers. No power No nothing????
Can anyone help please or am i done for?
anarchyuk said:
My sensation went off last night and wont come back on, no charging light no screen etc...
the only thing is usb does kinda pick it up as QHSUSB_DLOAD with no drivers to install, any ideas?
edit: never mind i now know this is bricked and a jtag needs doing....
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Could you explain what you did to cause this? I really hope you were messing with things other than what most people have done, otherwise, this could be a real problem for the rest of us.
Matt
Yes i would also like toknow what You did please
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mrg02d said:
Could you explain what you did to cause this? I really hope you were messing with things other than what most people have done, otherwise, this could be a real problem for the rest of us.
Matt
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+1
10Char
If you did brick there is a thred in the dev's that can and will show you how to unbrick and you can shop and decide on witch Rom you won't to go with look at it this way you have the best of both worlds good luck
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Had an issue today similar to yours, unlocked the bootloader today and kept the stock rom. Tonight I started deleting the bloatware, mainly using root explorer, no issues really. Used titanium backup to "force remove by exploit" I think its called. Did that and phone went black, tried powering back on, pulled battery etc, nada.
Ended up plugging device to usb charger and booted into bootloader, rebooted from there and its fine.
I ran into this tonight. See this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1198585
Short story -- Clockwork Recovery is bugged and won't charge the phone. Your battery level is too low to power on, so you need to use another method to get some power into it.
I did this:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15034469/tmp/recovery_fail.jpg
And yeah it's a lame problem.
Ahh, so this is not really a bricked phone, but a case of CWM dead battery! Good to know, as its an "easy" fix then. I was afraid that the phone, simply S-off and perm rooted, had somehow crashed permanently.
Matt
Straight Bricked
For me its not the battery, when tmobile sent me a new sensation i used my old battery, sdcard and sim and the battery still had around a 75% charge. I cant boot from usb i cant do anything. Its completely dead.
As for what i did?
I had been flashing multiple roms and kernels for 2 weeks. Overclocking, undervloting bla bla. No issues a wipe and flash couldnt take care of. I think i did a wipe and flash of a new rom and thats it. Dead. Wish i could remember exactly what it was. I guess im gonna mail it back since i have a new one and probably get charged full retail if they see its s-off and root.
blackstarnino said:
I had been flashing multiple roms and kernels for 2 weeks. Overclocking, undervloting bla bla. No issues a wipe and flash couldnt take care of. I think i did a wipe and flash of a new rom and thats it. Dead. Wish i could remember exactly what it was. I guess im gonna mail it back since i have a new one and probably get charged full retail if they see its s-off and root.
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Ahh..So it wasnt the silly CWM ordeal then. That sucks!
Try to pinpoint what you were doing right before this happened. Were you wiping something? (what were you wiping) Were you flashing a ROM? (What were to flashing)
Try to provide more details, as I am sure some of the devs here will be looking to jump all over it shortly.
EDIT: Were to making sure to check that the ROM you were flashing was meant for your version of the phone as well as the files not corrupted? I know it sounds silly, but its something to rule out.
Matt
happened to me too on two batteries. I believe that it is due to overclocking the cpu. because the battery stats are calibrated for a slower CPU speed, it drains it past the failsafe point to pure failure. CWM will recognize CPU for the given ROM. i flashed back to S-ON and regular RUU 1.29 and charging my batteries again for the correct CPU + battery stats. wish me best of luck
Wow, am i that stupid
Not positive but i think i figured out what i did. Something really stupid.
I think i flashed: [Desire] InsertCoin CM7/STOCK 1.1.0
So am i fully bricked?
Gotta put the phone in the mail tomorrow.
Do you think they will see that its s-off or if its (truly) bricked can they not?
Nino
blackstarnino said:
Not positive but i think i figured out what i did. Something really stupid.
I think i flashed: [Desire] InsertCoin CM7/STOCK 1.1.0
So am i fully bricked?
Gotta put the phone in the mail tomorrow.
Do you think they will see that its s-off or if its (truly) bricked can they not?
Nino
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They'll know....
actually... having worked in a few cell phone repair / refurbish facilities... i can tell you that they won't even look. they just plug the phone up to their bench and it overides everything and does a fresh flash. from there they just replace plastics to make it look like a brand new phone. if they are unable to flash it at the bench, they replace internals. so relax... no one will know or care what you did to it. these places get thousands of phones a day. and each tech at the bench has a quota to get through.
Thanks for your feedback guys. Shipping it off now...
Still cant believe it. Still have my n1 from launch day and it took everything i could throw at it. Still kicking like a beast. **** my g1 is still running cm4 i think lol.
anarchyuk said:
My sensation went off last night and wont come back on, no charging light no screen etc...
the only thing is usb does kinda pick it up as QHSUSB_DLOAD with no drivers to install, any ideas?
edit: never mind i now know this is bricked and a jtag needs doing....
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I'm in the same situation. This sucks. I tried to get back S-ON. Did you receive a new phone?
So you flashed a desire ROM.... Well no ****...
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Any chance to reanimate completely dead device?

Hi guys,
No able to turn the device on,
to switch to a download mode, (tried all methods),
when connect to computer via ODIN comp doesn’t recognize device.
(battery charged, used other device for charging)
Help please!!!
thank you!
Eugg_ said:
Hi guys,
No able to turn the device on,
to switch to a download mode, (tried all methods),
when connect to computer via ODIN comp doesn’t recognize device.
(battery charged, used other device for charging)
Help please!!!
thank you!
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You either have a severe hardware failure or a corrupt bootloader.
Since it's nearly impossible to corrupt bootloaders on our device I'm guessing hardware failure. Take it in for warranty service.
What were you doing with it before it died? Provide details.
Entropy512 said:
You either have a severe hardware failure or a corrupt bootloader.
Since it's nearly impossible to corrupt bootloaders on our device I'm guessing hardware failure. Take it in for warranty service.
What were you doing with it before it died? Provide details.
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I'll see your corrupt bootloaders and raise you a 10 kiloton explosion.
Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology.
I have had two people now that have had completely dead batteries and did not know. Try to charge your battery. See if the emblem comes on while charging. If it does leave it alone for at least 4 hrs then try to enter download.
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If you are using a Windows PC to run Odin, make sure that you have installed the correct drivers to connect with your phone. I believe these are proper:
http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/c...ATT_SGH-i997_Infuse4G_USB_Drivers_5_2_0_2.zip
You can also spend $1.99 on eBay for a resistor jig:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=jig+download
I once had something crazy happen after a bad crash with an experimental overclock kernel for the vibrant on my captivate. the screen went black even in download mode. but the phone was infact in download mode just no screen image. it flashed in odin and restored me back to stock.
I know its an off chance but if you happen to have had a similar error and your drivers in windows aren't installed right then it may look like a hardware failure.
if you have insurance get another one. if you haven't voided the warenty send it to Samsung. if you want to help out development donate it to Adam outler. he wants something not restorable by normal means.
My Infuse recently did the very same thing. DEAD ON ARRIVAL! I tried all forms of CPR but she died an untimely death while attempting to flash back to stock. I had done that many times before so it wasn't anything I did wrong. I took it back to the ATT Store and they sent me to the device support center to get a new one. The new one is far more stable ans performs better than my original out of the box model. So just take it back and get another one or call warranty and they will ship you one overnight.
Product F(RED) said:
Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology.
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Nice one. Lmao
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Blackberrynomore said:
My Infuse recently did the very same thing. DEAD ON ARRIVAL! I tried all forms of CPR but she died an untimely death while attempting to flash back to stock. I had done that many times before so it wasn't anything I did wrong. I took it back to the ATT Store and they sent me to the device support center to get a new one. The new one is far more stable ans performs better than my original out of the box model. So just take it back and get another one or call warranty and they will ship you one overnight.
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Yeah, you just got a bad model, it happens.
At OP, if you have warranty with AT&T, take it back to the store, and ask for another one. If not, call Samsung, you can ship them your phone and then they'll either fix it, or send you another one.
Sent from my phone. :3
Eugg_ said:
Hi guys,
No able to turn the device on,
to switch to a download mode, (tried all methods),
when connect to computer via ODIN comp doesn’t recognize device.
(battery charged, used other device for charging)
Help please!!!
thank you!
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Depending on what you were doing, you may have hard bricked your phone. A usb jig may work for a soft brick but since your phone has no response whatsoever, chances are its hard bricked. Go to "mobiletechvideos.com" they provide a JTAG service that unbricks hard bricked phones. give it a shot
Why pay for JTAG service when his device is still under warranty? Contact AT&T or Samsung. One of the two will hook you up.
hi guys,
thank you for your help
i like what he said better

Another dead phone

Hi, I have flashed many different roms with no problems on HD2 and Desire S. This evening I thought I would try another Rom (why oh why), so duly wiped and done the usual preparation, but this time it just stuck at HTC for over half an hour, tried rebooting but nothing, tried all the ways on the forum to restart without taking the battery out, in the end I made the stupid mistake of taking the battery out and putting it back in . Well you know the rest, dead phone fried chip I think.
Now my questions are 1) its on contract from Tmobile 6 months ago, the device is obviously S-off so am wondering if I can still get it fixed by them. 2) How much does it cost to have a fried emmc chip replaced if I send it to HTC.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I sent it to HTC without the battery and got a repaired phone free of charge
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Hi Dan. Can you tell me the process you went through and is your a contract phone
Can you boot into Recovery or Bootloader? The bootloop can be caused by many reasons, not only eMMC
Hi, can't boot into anything , the phone is just dead, doesn't do anything, no power.
correct me if im wrong but dosnt emmc failure still boot? im not 100% sure thats your problem
Ok, but I tried everything to power up with no luck, I know there was at least 80% battery when I used it, also nothing when I plug it in to the mains.
pandollar said:
Hi, can't boot into anything , the phone is just dead, doesn't do anything, no power.
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This is a completely bricked phone (whatever the reason that caused it). But in this case the repair cannot state that it is S-Off. So go ahead for a replacement. There is a way to unbrick it (JTAG), but never heard so far that the HTC repair centres use that - all the problematic devices were just replaced, not repaired. Good luck
Ok, I will have to try and get them to replace it then. Many thanks for your help.
amidabuddha said:
This is a completely bricked phone (whatever the reason that caused it). But in this case the repair cannot state that it is S-Off. So go ahead for a replacement. There is a way to unbrick it (JTAG), but never heard so far that the HTC repair centres use that - all the problematic devices were just replaced, not repaired. Good luck
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This is great..I have two bricked phones lying about that I have no idea what to do with...
virtu0s0 said:
This is great..I have two bricked phones lying about that I have no idea what to do with...
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Find a person in your area that owns a JTAG, there is a great chance to fix them.

[Q] bricked one xl after charging [SOLVED]

ok so i have an AT&t HTC one xl running the latest jellybam rom and on rohans B6 kernel. last night on my way to work i plugged my phone into my OEM car charger, the phone rebooted and was stuck on the red text screen saying its a development build....the phone has been dead since. I let my phone "charge" for ten hours but nothing. normally when the phone charges on or off it still gives off some heat but ice cold. when i woke up this afternoon i tried to plug my phone into the computer and run adb but no luck. But i know its not completely dead. the phone shows up in device manager and makes a little toggle sound when plugged in. its still under warrenty but im worried that if i send it in they will make me pay for the repair since its rooted and bootloader unlocked. ive attached a picture of my device manager. Anyone know of a way to fix this or where to look?
So your screen still turns on? Or is it dead and unresponsive?
If the latter, it sounds like the power management bug. I've seen a number of phones brick from this.
If your screen still comes on, it's just a matter of getting into the bootloader. Hold down power and vol down until the buttons flash, then release power until the bootloader screen comes on. Once there, you can run a ruu or reflash your rom/kernel.
iElvis said:
So your screen still turns on? Or is it dead and unresponsive?
If the latter, it sounds like the power management bug. I've seen a number of phones brick from this.
If your screen still comes on, it's just a matter of getting into the bootloader. Hold down power and vol down until the buttons flash, then release power until the bootloader screen comes on. Once there, you can run a ruu or reflash your rom/kernel.
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i guess its the power management bug then. the only response i get from the phone is when i plug into the computer and the computer tries to install drivers but fails. screen wont turn on, no led, and no flashing buttons....is there any fix other then warranty claim?
SkizzyNinja said:
i guess its the power management bug then. the only response i get from the phone is when i plug into the computer and the computer tries to install drivers but fails. screen wont turn on, no led, and no flashing buttons....is there any fix other then warranty claim?
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You might try the JET tool in the development section.
iElvis said:
You might try the JET tool in the development section.
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ok would that be in the OG development or the other also thank you for your help.
EDIT: nevermind i found it. ill give it a try before work
Re: [Q] bricked one xl after charging
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ok would that be in the OG development or the other also thank you for your help.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1966850
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For some reason i couldn't get jet to work so i tried the manual unbricking thread method and couldn't get my partitions to shw up in linux. Im gonn send it in for warranty and pray they dont charge me for root and s off lol thanks for your help anyways guys
is your car charger a real "htc charger" or some generic crap? i've had generic crap kill good phones.
have you volume down + power to get into bootloader?
DvineLord said:
is your car charger a real "htc charger" or some generic crap? i've had generic crap kill good phones.
have you volume down + power to get into bootloader?
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If he could reach bootloader his phone would not boot to QDL mode. It would boot to HTC Screen and not past that. the HTC boot Screen is comparable to a PC's POST. if no EMMC partition table is not detected, it's HTC replacement or JTAG.
I'm sorry for your bad luck OP. Please post back to let us know if HTC did in fact replace your phone. I am curious to see how things play out.
exad said:
If he could reach bootloader his phone would not boot to QDL mode. It would boot to HTC Screen and not past that. the HTC boot Screen is comparable to a PC's POST. if no EMMC partition table is not detected, it's HTC replacement or JTAG.
I'm sorry for your bad luck OP. Please post back to let us know if HTC did in fact replace your phone. I am curious to see how things play out.
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it was a legit htc one x charger....its safe to sqy ill never use a car charger again. and ill let you know im a little worried cause ive seen alot of horror storys about their warranty policy but i hope it works out
I did a warranty claim on my first htc one x that was rooted. AT&T gave me no hassle and shipped me out a new phone right away. They asked me what my phone was doing and i said its stuck at the htc screen. I did leave out tho that the phone was rooted.
update
BUMP for an update
So HTC received my phone last Friday and had it shipped back to me by Saturday night and I just got it today. Pretty sure it's the same phone. I had an otterbox on mine day one so it was in mint condition but pretty sure its mine. I'm not rooted or s-off anymore I have 2.20 firmware as well so ether they couldn't see that I tampered with it or they just didn't care lol. Not gonna complain though cause I got my baby back. Thanks everyone for all their help.
SkizzyNinja said:
BUMP for an update
So HTC received my phone last Friday and had it shipped back to me by Saturday night and I just got it today. Pretty sure it's the same phone. I had an otterbox on mine day one so it was in mint condition but pretty sure its mine. I'm not rooted or s-off anymore I have 2.20 firmware as well so ether they couldn't see that I tampered with it or they just didn't care lol. Not gonna complain though cause I got my baby back. Thanks everyone for all their help.
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Should be able to root and gain everything back. Glad everything worked out.
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Thanks...I'll probably just update the firmware to get rid of the stupid push notification. My upgrade is ready may 20th so I'll just get an s4 and root that when available lol
SkizzyNinja said:
Thanks...I'll probably just update the firmware to get rid of the stupid push notification. My upgrade is ready may 20th so I'll just get an s4 and root that when available lol
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Unlock. Root. Soff. Then take use 3.18 ruu. So if the person who you sell it to wants to root they can
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