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YOu know how you can buy those little car chargers that broadcast an fm signal of what your phone/ipod is playing? well, does that evo have this capability? if so is there an app for this? I think this would be awesome
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YOu know how you can buy those little car chargers that broadcast an fm signal of what your phone/ipod is playing? well, does that evo have this capability? if so is there an app for this? I think this would be awesome
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Could be wrong, but I don't think the evo has the necessary hardware to make this possible. I had a phone with a transmitter a while back, the LG musiq, and it had a separate antenna to broadcast.
I wish the Evo had this! This is something the N900 has and externally it doesn't appear to have a extra antenna.
I'm pretty sure that I read that the FM chip is capable of broadcasting and receiving, so I think it's possible.
Yes it does it just needS to be activated
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Here are the chip details from the ifixit tear down
broadcom BCM4329
Well the source was just released.. so maybe someone could activate it IF its possible... i would love that
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it would be so nice to have this. whenever your in someones car and they have no aux input on their stereo, totally blows!
Confirmed Transmitter
According to this page from the broadcom website it does have a transmitter.
http://www.broadcom.com/products/Bluetooth/Bluetooth-RF-Silicon-and-Software-Solutions/BCM4329
The Broadcom BCM4329 integrates a complete IEEE 802.11 a/b/g/n system (MAC/baseband/radio) with Bluetooth® 2.1 + EDR (Enhanced Data Rate), and FM radio receiver and transmitter.
Popping my cherry on an app post.. should have been to thank Toast, hero, Flipz.. etc hah
I would kill for this. Okay, maybe not kill, but I'd definitely pony up some bucks for it. The crap FM transmitters you find at the store are overpriced and poor hardware.
I'm starting to get into creating apps with the end goal of authoring my own ROMs. If anyone can point me in the right direction (or if test subjects are needed), I'm not worried about borking my EVO
This device http://direct.motorola.com/ens/carkits/learn-T505.html from Motorola works that way (I know it works on the Pre and other devices that can stream music over bluetooth)
Are u guys suggesting that something like this device be enabled from within the phone itself? If so, that'd be awesome!!! I'd pay for that too!!! (Cuz, I've been holding off on buying one of these, bt the price is going down, so I might get one soon)
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This device http://direct.motorola.com/ens/carkits/learn-T505.html from Motorola works that way (I know it works on the Pre and other devices that can stream music over bluetooth)
Are u guys suggesting that something like this device be enabled from within the phone itself? If so, that'd be awesome!!! I'd pay for that too!!! (Cuz, I've been holding off on buying one of these, bt the price is going down, so I might get one soon)
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Um yes, it streams music over bluetooth to car radio. I use it in my car everyday with pandora.
Way better then satellite radio.
To whoever is planning on attempting to develop this:
I will give you a check. Put whatever amount you'd like on it. Must have this!
i was wondering this same thing earlier this morning. This would be incredible.
Just curious, anyone planning on writing an app for this or anything in the worx? I had one of those LG Fusics, then an LG Musiq back in the day, which both had the FM transmitting ability... they didn't work great, but they still could do it. I thank you profusely, whoever develops the app, ahead of time!
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I found this while searching online. This appears to be the source code section for the Broadcom4329 drivers. I have no idea where to even begin with this, but maybe someone else could find it useful.
http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=pl...c;hb=f427424c414886903e4ad654c143c8ce6ec10e3c
Hopefully the link posts properly, because I can't really post links yet.
I might not kill for this but I would definitely maim. PLEASE someone get this working!
I would definitely pay for a app like this!
I just fired up my old LG Muziq a couple days ago because I can't take the low grade sound coming out of my horrible tape adapter
I don't know if anyone will find this useful, but I am hoping that at least one person will...
I bought a Viper SmartStart system for my Jeep. Absolutely loved the idea of being able to lock/unlock/start my car from anywhere in the USA where an internet or WiFi signal is available. Everything was great until one day....
The app from the Market would say "unable to connect. please try again later..." the instant I tried to use it. It was doing this even over WiFi, so I knew the app had an issue, and not the phone/service.
So after writing to ***** at the company, I received a beta app that works 100% of the time now! For those in the same boat that haven't had the time/gumption to complain, I am attaching the apk, so we can get back to enjoying our 2-way alarm/remote start services.
Highly recommend this product if you live in cold areas or have to leave vehicle in a less-than-stellar area. I'll spare you the commercial but it IS worth it (assuming your car is too!)
OMG!!! Thank you thank you thank you thank you!
I have been soooo pissed that mine has not worked since I got this phone!
You are my hero my friend!
tguerena said:
OMG!!! Thank you thank you thank you thank you!
I have been soooo pissed that mine has not worked since I got this phone!
You are my hero my friend!
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LOL so was I...make sure you keep a copy of this archived. I also unchecked the auto-update box in the market. I'll never update this as long as it keeps working properly.
Glad you found this useful, I was hoping at least one person would!
if my car have allready BT module, do I need a specific SmartStart One?
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if my car have allready BT module, do I need a specific SmartStart One?
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SmartStart operates on its own satellite receiver. When you start your vehicle using your phone, a signal is sent to the satellite, then back down to your car's receiver. It's got about a 5 second delay, but works pretty well.
One thing to keep in mind, SmartStart requires a subscription ($50 a year) to use as advertised. There is a kit available to add a remote and remote receiver, but that kind of defeats the whole purpose of the SmartStart system.
Just bought and installed my Viper Smartstart system....will this app work if I have not yet "activated" or purchased their ridiculous $60 annual plan?
Hi all,
I ws reading in a thread here that you can get a samsung nexus s car dock to automatically startup car mode once I plug it into the car dock.
Was wondering
1- where do I purchase some nfc chips.
2- how do I set this up?
Going to pickup a samsung car dock by end of week.
Thanks
Heeter
Car dock mode does not automatically start when put into the dock, this is because the S 4g does not have the magnetic sensor on the back of it.
To get the car dock to activate you will need to download this app:
NFC Task Launcher
and buy some NFC tags from any of these sites:
tagstand dot com
tagage dot net
Then just put the sticker on the back of the dock and configure a profile in the NFC task launcher app to open up car dock when you get close to that NFC sticker. You will not have to worry about your battery draining by having the phone next to the sticker for long periods of time because the phone will only read the tag once. It will only read it again if you move the phone away from the tag then close to it again, or if you turn off the screen and turn it back on.
Go to youtube and search: "NFC Task Launcher 2.4 - Demo"
EDIT: I DONT HAVE MORE THAN 8 POSTS SO I CANT POST LINKS YET, SORRY
Thanks for your reply.
I have an at&t 3g nexus s.
Do I still need the app? I think that don't because my NS already reads tags.
Thanks for those links.
Heeter
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I have a T-Mobile NS, and the Samsung car dock doesn't launch the car home app for me. I don't think it's just an issue with the 4g.
If you have Bluetooth in your car stereo you can have that connection start car home though, that's what I do.
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Do I still need the app? I think that don't because my NS already reads tags.
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Yes, NFC Task Launcher programs the tags to do what you want them to do
Heeter said:
Thanks for your reply.
I have an at&t 3g nexus s.
Do I still need the app? I think that don't because my NS already reads tags.
Thanks for those links.
Heeter
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Yes - only because there's no built in functionality for doing things like manipulating the hardware radios or starting an application directly from an NFC tag.
There are a few demo videos here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=980741 as well as a specific car dock demo (at the bottom of the first post).
You can download the app for free and if it's something you like / use it's up in the Market as well as a paid app. I do keep the free app updated though and it is not limited.
As far as purchasing NFC tags I've collected quite a few resources you can use here: https://sites.google.com/site/nfctasklauncher/nfc-tags
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Yes - only because there's no built in functionality for doing things like manipulating the hardware radios or starting an application directly from an NFC tag.
There are a few demo videos here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=980741 as well as a specific car dock demo (at the bottom of the first post).
You can download the app for free and if it's something you like / use it's up in the Market as well as a paid app. I do keep the free app updated though and it is not limited.
As far as purchasing NFC tags I've collected quite a few resources you can use here: https://sites.google.com/site/nfctasklauncher/nfc-tags
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The OEM car dock is in stock: http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/ECS-V1A3BEGSTA
Otherwise there's a thread under accessories that lists some cheaper "universal" alternatives.
Great posts, krohnjw!!
Awesome explanation and breakdown, I bought the NFC Task Launcher app!
Thanks guys,
I was heading over to Bestbuy this weekend to purchase a dock, but will get it from samsung instead.
Heeter
Heeter said:
Great posts, krohnjw!!
Awesome explanation and breakdown, I bought the NFC Task Launcher app!
Thanks guys,
I was heading over to Bestbuy this weekend to purchase a dock, but will get it from samsung instead.
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Outstanding
I like the OEM Dock - the use of a stiff rubber for the corners make it a solid fit without scratching the phone. It's a bit pricey compared to a universal dock, but it fits the phone well.
Ugh!!
Sorry for re-firing up an old post.
Looks like Samsung Canada cant get me a car dock. Best buy don't have them either. I can't order from USA Samsung site either. Can't order from Samsung 1-800 USA either.
Wow!
Oh well
Heeter
Heeter said:
Ugh!!
Sorry for re-firing up an old post.
Looks like Samsung Canada cant get me a car dock. Best buy don't have them either. I can't order from USA Samsung site either. Can't order from Samsung 1-800 USA either.
Wow!
Oh well
Heeter
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There are services that will give a US address to ship to and then post it world wide for you when they receive it. I don't know what they charge for this, but people were using this to get the Nexus One a while back.
Alternatively, if you really want to get the Samsung Dock I'd be willing to pm you my address and send it your way USPS if you're willing to cover the shipping on it . This, understandably, requires quite a bit of faith that I won't rip you off, but I figured I'd offer if you really want the OEM dock.
Edit: I found one: http://www.oneusaaddress.com/
I've never used a service like this and can't vouch for them, but other seemingly have used them with success.
This thread will be the bounty thread for the willing developer to MOD the app for the new Pioneer Appradio 2
To collect the bounty discussed in this thread the Developer must modify the Appradio Android Application or create a new application to allow Full touch control of the Display Mirroring. Currently the Appradio 2 accepts HDMI input via mini-hdmi or MHL.
Donations to the bounty:
artnsx (avic411) = $100
uribees (xda) = $25
franklin270h (xda) = $100
xavenged (xda) = $100
outcastrc (xda) = $100
baldcyclops (xda) = $25
beestee (xda) = $25
shaxs (xda) = $100
defe (xda) = $25
Gelroos (xda) = $150
TLS2000 (xda) = $25
amblix (xda) = $100
Software Guy (xda) = $50
Please share the thread and get the word out!
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I recently picked up an Appradio 2 from Pioneer. The premise is good but the excecution is poor IMO.
The app seems overly complicated and quite frankly pisses me off the more i use it.
Now what i would like to know is if the app can be modified to just offer control of the MHL mirror. That would be ideal for me. At points within the app it allows you to control the screen via the touch screen on the appradio 2. Then at certain places it doesn't allow any touch or only touch portions of the screen.
I have very minimal knowledge of programming for android so i cannot tackle it myself. Im also willing to start a bounty for this as well if someone shows some interest.
Here is the apk: Link
Anyone up for the task?
I just got one of these earlier today. I was very excited at the "Android" support. I haven't installed it yet (buying a washer and dryer takes forever!), but I hope to do it tomorrow.
Did you do your install or did you have somebody do it for you?
Also, have you messed with navigation through phone at all? What cables does it need? I know it needs an MHL for my SGS2, but where can I find the cable that plugs into the back of the unit?
Its a simple straight forward install. The cable in the back is a full size HDMI that comes out of the mhl adapter.
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Gotcha. I need to pick one up for my sgs2.
Where did you put your nav antenna and your microphone?
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The best place for you will be wildly different but I put my mic in the factory VW location and the GPS inside the dash
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So I was really excited about getting this, but it sounds like everyone that's gotten it has been disappointed. I'm interested in whether anyone really likes it.
Mine ended up being broken (non-working bluetooth).
Returned it and got a dnx7180 with nav and good ****.
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So I was really excited about getting this, but it sounds like everyone that's gotten it has been disappointed. I'm interested in whether anyone really likes it.
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As was i and to be honest i am sort of disappointed. However, the potential is there for this unit. I believe with the right modes to the app and/or unit it will be GREAT!
The system is similar as the MIMICS system. It mirrors the display of the phone via MHL and uses bluetooth to communicate screen touches. If the app can be modded so that it allows you to navigate to more than just the appradio app then it would be perfect.
Someone that knows what they are doing should be able to mod the app accordingly and unlock the true potential of this device.
I'm sure they will hear the complaints and make Appradio 3 or 4 better. I will definitely give it another try then. The lack of compatible android apps is disappointing.
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The 'appradio2' from pioneer is just starting and is getting more and more android fans every day.
Altho this is a device with great potential, the user experience is indeed a little dissapointing.
Where should I begin?
Well, first the SPH-DA100 officially only supports android 3.2 and not even all phones running it too (a list of compatible devices is @ the Pioneer website)
I successfully connected my Galaxy Nexus i9250 (running ICS 4.0.4 since this weekend) and it works!
The perfect picture for this device should be when you can control your whole phone from the screen of the appradio. For now, only approved apps can be controlled.
I follow MKVFTW when he says that someone who knows what he's doing should rewrite the apk. but for now we can only wait for Pioneer to make another version.
I do not doubt that Pioneer will wait for an appradio 3 or 4 to make things better
The current hardware can handle it.
Or does everyone here buys a new phone when the next android version comes out???
I managed to get a custom background wallpaper on the device, that is a start isn't it?
*link not allowed yet --> search youtube for appradiomodder
Let's keep going where our apps take us !!
Cheers!
I already got rid of mine. It barely worked, such a waste.
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Sorry to hear yours broke;
Mine works pretty good tbh. It rarely crashes and when it does, it only takes 20 secs. and the app restarts itself.
Bluetooth never worked from the second I opened the box. I'm using a compatible phone as well.
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I'm currently looking in to the apk.
Seems like there a lot of things there wich aren't even active for the moment.
So I think a version 1.0.3 is coming soon
According to Pioneer the app manufacurers shoud update their apps to be compatible with the sph-DA100. I don't understand this.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it possible to connect a bluetooth mouse + keyboard to your android phone? (I did this ages ago allready on my Pocket-pc)
A touchscreen (even multitouch) works by the same principals no?
I think Pioneer's it-devision is taking things to far at once and they should re-think the whole app. I'm not that experienced with coding (I'm a modder, not a creator), but from Android 3.2 and up (when the device supports mhl or hdmi out) the procedure call for android.permission.BLUETOOTH and android.permission.EXTSCREEN is the same for all devices right?
Hawt tip for any Pioneer engineer happening to stumble on this thread::
Take any android 3.2+ device with HDMI/MHL out
Connect this to a tv using HDMI/MHL to HDMI cable
Take any bluetooth mouse and connect it to your phone (might need a FREE driver app on older phones)
Take any bluetooth keyboard and connect it to your phone (might need a FREE driver app on older phones)
Enjoy manipulating ALL APPS + PHONE GUI on your tv
Cheers!
They currently have something interesting going on in the apple camp with Appradio Extensions 2.0
Appradiomodder, you are correct with the bluetooth. Most if not all android devices now adays support bluetooth devices.
The apk does what it should do when it comes to sending touch commands through the receiver screen to the phone via bluetooth. The problem is that the apk restricts it to certain locations.
That looks promising
But I noticed its for the appradio 1 not 2.
Respect for the guy's work tho! That requires a bit more skills than modding..
I'm not quite sure yet if its the appradioapp that does the restrictions. It could also be an extension is needed from the 'approved app'
I'm gonna check the apk's Carmediaplayer and Carkeyboard this weekend.
I feel it could be both. When you are at the appradio home screen and try to pull down the notification bar it wont do anything, yet in the app on the phone you can pull down no problem.
I found out a couple of things:
It is not possible to make the phone GUI work with the appradio for now. for that to work, a new AppradioApp should be written.
The approved apps contain extra code(smali) wich tunnel the received info (Location info, Parkinginfo, touchlayer info, ...) from the radio and translate that to the app itself.
The approved apps contain extra permissions to communicate with the appradio/-app
If any experienced programmer would want to have a look at this, I'd be happy to share what I found out allready.
- Background picture can be customized (only in app mode)
- ANY app can appear in the approved apps list on the radio and they CAN be started by pressing the radio's screen
The search goes on...
Appradiomodder said:
- ANY app can appear in the approved apps list on the radio and they CAN be started by pressing the radio's screen
The search goes on...
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Can you expand on this? Simply starting an app from the appradio 2 is one step closer.
The MAIN thing i need/want right now is google music. That is my primary source of audible goodness. Everything else is fine that is stock for me. I just figured it would be the easiest route to mirror.
So I have that urge to buy something new and I've stumbled across the sony SW2 in my looking around and I was wondering if this would be worth it to buy? Those of you who have had one for a while, do you think I should get one?
I think it all depends on its use per the individual, it is very handy for me when I'm at work and in a meeting I can see who's calling and read messages etc and also when I'm on my motorbike also saves me having to pull out my phone to see whoa calling messages etc. I would say though if you have a Samsung phone then probably have a look at the gear
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look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2747483
If you can get it for less than $150, that's a decent price... However, there's LG's and Moto's watches coming out this summer if you can wait a few months - but those are rumored to be around $250.
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So I have that urge to buy something new and I've stumbled across the sony SW2 in my looking around and I was wondering if this would be worth it to buy? Those of you who have had one for a while, do you think I should get one?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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If you need a device to remote control your smartphone, then yes you should get it. If you are happy just taking your phone out of your pocket and using it, then you dont need the Sony Smartwatch 2. It is not an indepedent device. It can do almost nothing by itself, it is 99% dependent on your phone.
The best way to describe it is that it is a second screen to your smartphone. To be able to use it you must have your smartphone on you, at all times. It not autonomous working at all.
Hi all,
can this Sony SW2 keep the time by itself if I go running to the park and leave my phone at home? Just keep the time.
I know it would be more useful to take the phone in my pocket and probably try to have an Endomondo's Sports Tracker widget on the smartwatch.. does anyone knows about a good sports tracking app like Endomondo's ?
Thanks.
Sure, why not. It's only money.
I have had mine for 8 months and love it. I had not worn a watch in perhaps 20 years. (I'm a reformed pocket watch user.) If you like to know who is emailing and testing when it happens, covertly, it is great. There are other things it is great at too, but those are the #1 use. I like the color screen v.s. monochrome screens, but battery life suffers. Price is reasonable, relatively speaking, but if you are an Android user and have a little more $$, I'd wait until summer to see what the new Google based watches bring. They appear to be a step up. The only thing I'd wish for is voice transcription to reply to email or text and I believe that's coming in the Google OS watches.
spitfire2425 said:
So I have that urge to buy something new and I've stumbled across the sony SW2 in my looking around and I was wondering if this would be worth it to buy? Those of you who have had one for a while, do you think I should get one?
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Socotroco said:
Hi all,
can this Sony SW2 keep the time by itself if I go running to the park and leave my phone at home? Just keep the time.
I know it would be more useful to take the phone in my pocket and probably try to have an Endomondo's Sports Tracker widget on the smartwatch.. does anyone knows about a good sports tracking app like Endomondo's ?
Thanks.
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Yes it can. And your SW2 comes with Runtastic, which is pretty okay for me.
Sw1 can keep time only till it has battery or has not been switched off. If you switch it off or battery finishes, you need to connect it again with your phone to get time.
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i buy it but it was not good and have not worth to buy
I'm waiting for my SW2 FIFA Edition to use it mainly as a bike computer, but also because will allow me to receive calls with the phone on my pocket.
And it have a good price now.
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joaofsantosj said:
I'm waiting for my SW2 FIFA Edition to use it mainly as a bike computer, but also because will allow me to receive calls with the phone on my pocket.
And it have a good price now.
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Not on your Nexus it doesnt..... it doesnt have an answer call button, though theres a fix if you are rooted.
Also it has no speaker or mic so youd need a bt headset. Which can already be used to answer calls.
ngoonee said:
Not on your Nexus it doesnt..... it doesnt have an answer call button, though theres a fix if you are rooted.
Also it has no speaker or mic so youd need a bt headset. Which can already be used to answer calls.
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Naturally, I have a BT headset. I've been using them since they exist.
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joaofsantosj said:
Naturally, I have a BT headset. I've been using them since they exist.
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Note that you cannot answer from the watch, in any case, using a galaxy nexus.
ngoonee said:
Note that you cannot answer from the watch, in any case, using a galaxy nexus.
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Really? And why do you think that?
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joaofsantosj said:
Really? And why do you think that?
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Because the calling app that Sony offers to you onli offers the 'answer call' button on Sony phones. Unless you move it to the system partition, which requires root.
briannaharbor said:
How is it possible you joined six years ago, but only have five posts??
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LOL It's a fair question, I joined this forum when I have a Qtek 2200 (made by HTC and also known under the brands XDA, O2), and after a Qtek 2020i, and used this forum just to get some informations. When this devices become obsolete I bought a Samsung Galaxy S5830 but I didn't like the Froyo GUI so I change to iOS devices that aren't supported here. But since a few months ago I become tired of it, always the same and without big changes, and planned to switch again to android that had a big improvement since froyo and its know more appealing to use.
One of the thing that I found out immediately was the different ROM's available to install, and I have been playing with them in my devices.
So it's natural that now I had reasons to post, to clear my doughts.
I don't use to write just to make number, I hope that you'll be clear.
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ngoonee said:
Because the calling app that Sony offers to you onli offers the 'answer call' button on Sony phones. Unless you move it to the system partition, which requires root.
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I see in the call extension app description that "answer call" is for Xperia Only. I have a rooted HTC One M8, but I did not move the app to the system partition (I doubled checked just to be sure); however, I can answer calls with my Sony Smartwatch 2. Not sure if it is because I am rooted or not, but I wanted to pass along my experience with my phone and the call extension app in question.
Rob
I've found that the lack of a 'Call Accept' button is not a major deal breaker for the Call Extension program. Wired or BT headsets have the action button, so the SW2 is still good. PLUS, with the recent upgrades to the core program, it's perfect to setup for a 'idling watch-face' that contains the pertinent information that I need.
Remember, the watch will allow you to tuck the phone back into the pocket or holster and leave it there. I myself enjoy starting an album as I leave the house to catch my bus for work, then just use the SmartMote Extension to change the song or tweak the volume on the sly.
Oh, and with the phone settings extension I found, I can cut the phone's Wi-Fi when I leave a well, so it doesn't draw extra power looking for a connection - without going fully into the watch apps, because it's latext update puts a shortcut directly into the watch-face itself!
Yeah, I'd recommend getting this watch, if you need a new watch. Once you have it, you find reasons to have it.... (Not the least, because it reduces the need to turn on the phone every five minutes to check it.)