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Thought I'd just introduce myself briefly. I'm Mouse
I'm new to xda-devs, although not new to Droid & Linux development in general. I'll shove some more info in my profile sometime soon.
I'm currently working on a few projects for my Moto Defy. It's a bit of a PITA, but I'm getting there... More info on that to come
In the mean time, the main reason I'm here is because of xdaid's fantastic work on DebOnDroid. I'm going to be giving that a try this evening with a bit of luck. However, reading through I noticed he's having some issues with loopback mounting. I have a fix (came accross this myself when doing some stuff on my last phone, the Moto Dext), but the forums won't let me post because I'mn new here . Ah well, guess he'll have to wait till I have time to write another 9 posts (assuming, of course, I'd get banned for just 9 posting unhelpful dummy posts)
Welcome to the forums
Hope you have a good time, and share some interesting projects ! Lots of great developers out there !
Hello everyone, I'm writing this because lately there has been a lot of turmoil in this section. People are leaving, upset with xda, posting off topic like crazy and showing hostility like I've never seen here before. I really wanna help make this section better as this is my main device and hate seeing it like this. I try and do what I can, delete off topic/flaming posts, move threads to the proper sections and so on but would love some input from the users here to make this section better for everyone. Granted I'm not the only mod here but this will benefit all of us so here's what I'm asking. If you see something you think we can improve on post it here. If a user is rude, flaming and going off topic pm me or another mod here or report it. I will do my best to address anything posted here. Granted I can't do anything about xda rules as they are in place for a reason but I can always bring up suggestions to the other mods and the admins. I really wanna work with everyone here so please suggest away. Off topic posts, flaming, rude comments will not be tolerated in this thread.
Thanks,
Ryan
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Hello everyone, I'm writing this because lately there has been a lot of turmoil in this section. People are leaving, upset with xda, posting off topic like crazy and showing hostility like I've never seen here before. I really wanna help make this section better as this is my main device and hate seeing it like this. I try and do what I can, delete off topic/flaming posts, move threads to the proper sections and so on but would love some input from the users here to make this section better for everyone. Granted I'm not the only mod here but this will benefit all of us so here's what I'm asking. If you see something you think we can improve on post it here. If a user is rude, flaming and going off topic pm me or another mod here or report it. I will do my best to address anything posted here. Granted I can't do anything about xda rules as they are in place for a reason but I can always bring up suggestions to the other mods and the admins. I really wanna work with everyone here so please suggest away. Off topic posts, flaming, rude comments will not be tolerated in this thread.
Thanks,
Ryan
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I commend you. I could imagine your task at hand is like trying to clean up the streets of St Louis by yourself. It has become anarchy here, just people running their mouth with no consequence. You deleted one of my posts because it became off topic, I was actually happy, because it was deserved.
My only suggestion is consequence. I know it's hard to really "punish" someone over the internet, but any kind of action should be taken to breaking the rules.
Thanks for taking your time just to read post over post, just to see if people are following rules.
Thanks for taking the time to respond! Believe me there will be consequences if people break forum rules and I'm making a personal commitment to be extremely active here and do everything I can to make it better for everyone.
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Thanks for taking the time to respond! Believe me there will be consequences if people break forum rules and I'm making a personal commitment to be extremely active here and do everything I can to make it better for everyone.
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You're welcome. See you around
I think one of the problems that has gotten worse lately is the way new members are treated. Please see here from today:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1166265
I understand about searching, etc, and repetitive threads, but there is a right way and a wrong way to handle things and too many members here have started acting unacceptably to new members imo. It sets a tone and then the new members act the same way and the problem snowballs on itself and we end up with a forum of everyone being rude to one another.
anyway just my opinion and thanks for your efforts in cleaning things up
One of the biggest problems I have seen around Tbolt forums, is the fact that developers bust their asses for us and MANY people act as if it's a Dev's privilege for us to be using their Roms and what ever else. People should be thankful we get all these nice Roms and themes and what ever else for FREE. The other big problem I see is people not searching I've asked quite a few questions but MANY more have been answered just by using the search feature.
I know we have stickys but I think a big Noob sticky would help cut out some of the mess/easily answered questions.
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I think one of the problems that has gotten worse lately is the way new members are treated. Please see here from today:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1166265
I understand about searching, etc, and repetitive threads, but there is a right way and a wrong way to handle things and too many members here have started acting unacceptably to new members imo. It sets a tone and then the new members act the same way and the problem snowballs on itself and we end up with a forum of everyone being rude to one another.
anyway just my opinion and thanks for your efforts in cleaning things up
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VERY unacceptable, thanks for pointing out thread it has been cleaned and closed. We were all newbies at one point and those replies are the exact thing I'm trying to rid xda of. Thanks for the help!
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One of the biggest problems I have seen around Tbolt forums, is the fact that developers bust their asses for us and MANY people act as if it's a Dev's privilege for us to be using their Roms and what ever else. People should be thankful we get all these nice Roms and themes and what ever else for FREE. The other big problem I see is people not searching I've asked quite a few questions but MANY more have been answered just by using the search feature.
I know we have stickys but I think a big Noob sticky would help cut out some of the mess/easily answered questions.
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Sadly that's the way it has always been, there are always those users who are on here to simply tear people down and complain. Maybe its boredom but its something that has always bothered me as well. Not sure there's much anyone can do about it however, unless they are flaming and posting rude comments that's when the mods can do their thing. If enough complaints are reported about certain users then action is also justified so don't be afraid to let us know.
I'm gonna improve the sticky I put up in the dev section to include more info for noobs and see if that helps.
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VERY unacceptable, thanks for pointing out thread it has been cleaned and closed. We were all newbies at one point and those replies are the exact thing I'm trying to rid xda of. Thanks for the help!
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No problem man, and I'm not trying to rat people out either. I just wanted to show an example of what has been going on. A lot of members here(even me included at times I'm sure) have been acting like this is our forum instead of us all acting like guests here and treating others as guests as well.
It's so hard to clean things up and police them, what one person feels should be asked in a thread for a specific ROM another person feels should be in the "general" or Q&A section.
If I'm having a "general" (ie battery, GPS, etc.) issue after I flash a ROM I'm going to look to that ROM's thread for answers - I find that if I post something in the 'general' forum about a specific ROM I get all kinds of answers from folks running different ROMs or that are not rooted and, while I appreciate the help, I don't think that somebody is as able to help unless they are on that particular s/ware. Isn't battery life and/or GPS a development issue if a lot of people are having that problem? Spin off to a new thread, reduce clutter, and post a link to the thread in the OP. (then you can at least chastise somebody if the info is in the first post which should ALWAYS be read in its entirety).
I think it would be nice if a developer would put in the OP a couple links to specific threads that have been started that are talking about specific issues w/a specific ROM. Right now the CM7 development thread has spawned a couple different troubleshooting threads, but there is no link in the OP to those.
On one of my previous ROMs the OP had all kinds of links to help threads and FAQ, etc.
I also think that the old "if you can't say something nice...." saying should be rule #1 - it would save a LOT of issues when somebody chimes in and says "how do I.....?" and somebody else responds with "why don't you try reading/searching, etc." - why can't they just take the same amount of energy they used typing that snide comment and instead point in a helpful direction?
I understand the frustration, I too get tired of the same Q's being asked over and over again but I've also failed at the "search" on the site and had to have people guide me, especially when it's something I'm new to, like Netflix, etc.
Now I'm just rambling......
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I know we have stickys but I think a big Noob sticky would help cut out some of the mess/easily answered questions.
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I really doubt it will.
I can see what everyone is saying. I've been involved with Android phones since day one and have been active on several boards for many years now.
I was with T-Mobile for over 15 years and am a Pillar on their boards, so I've spent alot of time there.
I've used XDA for some time now with the G1, G2, Cliq, MyTouch, etc.
When I got the Thunderbolt, I came to this forum and I noticed a very different "air" about this forum as others had pointed out. I found it kinda odd since the phone was so new.
One thing that I did notice was that "moderation" (and I know everyone is busy around here) is not as, for lack of a better word..."swift" around here. On most other boards I am on (and also ran), rules violations were not tolerated and handled very quickly with "Time outs" being given out to minor offenders and outright bans given to major offenders.
That being said, as other have said, unless there is a consequence for an action, the behavior will continue.
Not sure what can be done to help monitor this board better, since I do not know how all of it is handled internally, but I think if there was more of a moderator presence (as in jumping into a thread and posting about staying on topic or watching language, etc). Maybe the "bad boys" will just get tired of not being able to "terroize" anyone anymore and just leave.
Just my two cents.
2 issue's that see on this board (and others) -
1. Anyone that ask a question already posted is immediately called a N00b and slammed on.
2. Just cause someone has low post count they are called N00b (yep happens to me on this one)
It seems that there is no patience by many user's on answering questions (if you don't have kids wait till you do, you will be answering them many times over) why get so flustered cause people ask questions, whether or not they have been answered. Not everyone is a N00b because of low post count (I know I'm not and can hold my own anytime) I also don't act like I know everything either. Some people can't let things go either.. if you don't like it why respond? just ignore it. A little common courtesy goes a long way folks. Also folks asking for things to be fixed ASAP on newly released Roms and refuse to use them until they are or they ***** and complain over and over about the issue. Just a question, do you act like this at home or deal with things like this at home with programs you use? All software has issue's if you think they don't or your the perfect programmer, you don't belong doing this. Even major software and telecom companies have bugs that happen that are not always caught on release. Its normal and if you can do better and want everything perfect, then start programming!
I'm actually planning on creating an introductory FAQ/howto for new users. I've written documentation for new users to Linux in the past and many of the questions parallel. I'm more than happy to help in any way I can
sent from my rooted Thunderbolt with das BAMF 3.0 rc4
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I'm actually planning on creating an introductory FAQ/howto for new users. I've written documentation for new users to Linux in the past and many of the questions parallel. I'm more than happy to help in any way I can
sent from my rooted Thunderbolt with das BAMF 3.0 rc4
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Feel free to add to it!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1168433
i commend you for this ryan but it's gonna take more than just you to make xda a better place to be. the issue is instead of people just answering questions, they always say "search" .....what a waste.
the other issue is this site seems to be run by the members and not the devs, nobodies hardly on here anymore it seems. it also takes forever for a mod to show up when you report something. now don't get me wrong i love xda for the freedom i have to an extent, i also do not want a police state like android central is. there has got to be a medium somehow.
i wish we could of talked about this earlier, i hate the fact soo many devs have left the tbolt section.
I'm glad to see an effort is being made, it's going to take work from everyone.
Perhaps we could have a subforum for unrooted users? There's a lot of questions where one assumes the person is rooted (because they don't bother to say) or users that aren't rooted are looking at the wrong topics to figure out what is wrong. There's also a lot of flaming between those that root and haven't rooted on the Thunderbolt forums it seems.
For example:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1169292
As a rooted user, this post would just be a waste of space and pretty offtopic. For an unrooted user, you're going to get the obligatory "ORLY???" type posts from rooted users because to those that rooted, this is old news (either because they already got the update ages ago or they changed their boot animation to something custom).
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Perhaps we could have a subforum for unrooted users? There's a lot of questions where one assumes the person is rooted (because they don't bother to say) or users that aren't rooted are looking at the wrong topics to figure out what is wrong. There's also a lot of flaming between those that root and haven't rooted on the Thunderbolt forums it seems.
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i dunno if id support that move, the forums can be cluttered enough as it is. if your not rooted at all i have no idea why some of you are on here? this place is for custom rom, mods and themes for rooted users mostly. no offense of course but most users come here too root.
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i dunno if id support that move, the forums can be cluttered enough as it is. if your not rooted at all i have no idea why some of you are on here? this place is for custom rom, mods and themes for rooted users mostly. no offense of course but most users come here too root.
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I'd say probably 20% that come here don't root. I have no idea why either when they could go to more general forums for android out there that aren't so development/rooting focused. I really don't have much empathy for them when they complain about things being broke/not having fancy new features, but eh, each to their own. They would be better off complaining to the source (verizon) than complaining on here cluttering up the forum, since most of their issues cannot be fixed without doing what the refuse to do.
With that being said, a seperate forum would let them figure stuff out without getting in the way of those that did root.
I just installed RandomKing's "ThunderHawk III Final" rom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1343669
I noticed I have a bug with my wireless not working, and wanted to report that, but apparently the forum prevents new users from posting to development threads. Must I really make 10 random posts just so I can do that? (I realize I may be able to PM RandomKing directly, but I figure it'd be good for other users to also be aware of what bugs are out there for these roms ...)
I guess I'm a little annoyed at being prevented from doing something that I considered "good" for the community ...
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I just installed RandomKing's "ThunderHawk III Final" rom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1343669
I noticed I have a bug with my wireless not working, and wanted to report that, but apparently the forum prevents new users from posting to development threads. Must I really make 10 random posts just so I can do that? (I realize I may be able to PM RandomKing directly, but I figure it'd be good for other users to also be aware of what bugs are out there for these roms ...)
I guess I'm a little annoyed at being prevented from doing something that I considered "good" for the community ...
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Did you read threw the thread to see if others had this issue? What did you do to try and fix it? Did you look in the Q&A forums in your device forums?
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Did you read threw the thread to see if others had this issue? What did you do to try and fix it? Did you look in the Q&A forums in your device forums?
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Yeah, I read through the tread, and as far as I can tell, the bug's been persistent through several versions of the rom. It was claimed that it was fixed with his latest version, but I guess not ...
The only fix I had found was to reboot the phone Today, the "app" to make calls (I think it's called "phone?") crashed several times, meaning I can't call people reliably, so I think I'm going to try a different rom. Thanks again for your help though!
same here. I'm having an issue with another rom myself, and just want to post to the developer a major bug that I am having. I read throug the entire forum post for that rom, and no one else mentioned the issue that I'm having.
its pretty bazaar that I when I answer a call waiting call no one can hear me. If I switch back to the original call, the same problem happens no one can hear me. This is only when i get another incoming phone call.
The rom i installed is for Energy Rom sense 3.5
Haha, well, if we keep posting to places like this, I guess we'll soon hit our 10 post limit
FYI for anyone that cares, I just installed CleanGB v1.1.2 (for the Epic 4G):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=22241642
So far it seems pretty good. If I run into any issues, I guess I'll be posting here again xP
As already stated. There are Q&A forums for most devices. Use them.
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There are tons of complaints on the official oneplus Nord forum and XDA about connectivity, brightness, notifications and screen issues.
We have sent a lot of logs to help the oneplus team with zero feedbacks.
It's been 3 months and several updates, nothing is fixed. The community needs answers.
Could someone take a look at this and help us being heard by oneplus with an official XDA article ?
All being N00bs ("Cupcakes") and/or first timers coming from Apple: to be ignored.
Yeah, an XDA article could make a difference. Oneplus seems to be ignoring even the major bugs like internet connectivity issue. Its really annoying and ruining the day to day experience of device.
Even after several major updates and submission of complaints and logs, OnePlus didn't fix the issues till now.
Sent from my OnePlus AC2001 using XDA Labs
it's a disaster too many bugs to sell it but oneplus team pays reviewers well
Same here. Most common bug and irritating bug is, google feed/discover won't load while on mobile data. Rest i can live with, but leaves me also by aLOT of question marks!
After all-around, this is my second OP Device, and my last one!
(ps and i don't think that A11 is gonna solve those issues)
My 2 cents..
Forget google feed/discover, I'm even having connectivity issues with other apps
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Forget google feed/discover, I'm even having connectivity issues with other apps
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Same here! I am facing connectivity issues while playing game, browsing, google feed, google lens via gallery/camera, maps. That is a lot!!
There is already a port of stock dialer for 8t and not for nord please someone port it
Perhaps a thread or even a development section which details learning resources where long time members (like myself) who have been on the scene for years (but can't actually contribute anything worthwhile) can learn how to contribute without getting flamed for asking stupid questions alongside others with a similar mentality?
Absolutely, but had zero spare time to push this kind of things atm
Jamie_Bowen said:
Perhaps a thread or even a development section which details learning resources where long time members (like myself) who have been on the scene for years (but can't actually contribute anything worthwhile) can learn how to contribute without getting flamed for asking stupid questions alongside others with a similar mentality?
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Maybe you find something to your desire at the XDA University:
Tutorials, How-To Guides and More. Learn about mobile phone development, hacking, flashing, rooting and many other topics!
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Maybe you find something to your desire at the XDA University:
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Damn. Looks like I need to learn how to use the search function :silly:
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All being N00bs ("Cupcakes") and/or first timers coming from Apple: to be ignored.
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See Oneplus 7 and 7T GPS issues. All swept under the rug.
The 8 Pro display issues? People still recommend it regardless of OP having the utmost worst warranty on this planet.
Random fanboys just pop up if you mention issues and just keep defending the company and I don't know why.
I am baffled by the fact they are so unwilling to see that the current OnePlus phones are really subpar quality. I am a huge OnePlus fan, but even I see that there are many problems.
Like now I want to get a OnePlus, because I really loved my 7 Pro, minus the GPS. But what to buy?
7/7T? Bad GPS. Nord? So many issues. 8 Pro? Display issues. 8T? Already seen a dozen problems on XDA.
Maybe the 8 looks like a viable option, I don't know. Maybe.
Hello. I updated the firmware to the latest xiaomi.eu on Android11 and found an issue today while swiping. I checked in service mode, no issues with the touch, however strange issue occurs while swiping from the almost bottom center. Is this a hardware thing?
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1PMBCVYT1-1TVoPqoc7cARdSU1SLiAd8T
Why are you posting about a xiaomi.eu issue on here instead of on xiaomi.eu?
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Why are you posting about a xiaomi.eu issue on here instead of on xiaomi.eu?
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Am I really? Is this form exclusive to chinese roms issues? Is this for sure software thing?
boober78 said:
Hello. I updated the firmware to the latest xiaomi.eu on Android11 and found an issue today while swiping. I checked in service mode, no issues with the touch, however strange issue occurs while swiping from the almost bottom center. Is this a hardware thing?
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1PMBCVYT1-1TVoPqoc7cARdSU1SLiAd8T
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Works fine for me. Try removing the navigation bar. Or settings 3 button navigation, restart, change to full screen and the restart.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uyQ3pmrvG8tp2OSvWqkMK3cm8GNv6ETQ/view?usp=drivesdk
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Works fine for me. Try removing the navigation bar. Or settings 3 button navigation, restart, change to full screen and the restart.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uyQ3pmrvG8tp2OSvWqkMK3cm8GNv6ETQ/view?usp=drivesdk
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Thanks, removing the bar helped after the restart. Wouldn't anticipate it?
boober78 said:
Thanks, removing the bar helped after the restart. Wouldn't anticipate it
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Glad I could help. I don't know why people here frown upon posting UI issues that have work around it. Even the smallest issue on an expensive phone can panic anyone and getting answers fast is what matters.
P.s join EU ROM community. You get faster answers there.
https://xiaomi.eu/community/forums/xiaomi-mi-10-pro-10-lite-ultra-10t-pro.204/
I agree with you. The EU ROM is released by those guys, so why post issues with their ROM here where they will never see? There is a bug reporting thread for each weeks beta release, so please, search your issue there and if it has not been noted, post it on that thread so they are made aware. It's a two way thing, this beta lark. Help them to help you. https://xiaomi.eu/community/
Guys,I am a member there. XDA is always my first go to community about phones. I don't see the reason of being pissed about such posts. All topics being discussed here. The issue was resolved in one hour. I don't see the problem. Thanks for your input though.
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Guys,I am a member there. XDA is always my first go to community about phones. I don't see the reason of being pissed about such posts. All topics being discussed here. The issue was resolved in one hour. I don't see the problem. Thanks for your input though.
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I don't see the problem here. Have a look at Xiaomi Mi 10 Ultra Questions & Answers it has many questions about about EU rom. Maybe these guys should post in there as well and tell them to go to EU site. Unbelievable.
Glad you got it sorted
No one is worried about questions and giving help, I have done both in the years I have been here. What some people have a little moan about is some posts are about proper bugs in specific weekly, stable or stock ROMs. The EU ROM is made by the guys in that community, so only posting here is never going to get the bug fixed. Please, if you have a bug, get it added to the official EU community forum too. It may be that your findings will get fixed by doing so but they will never get fixed by just posting here. The more threads on the device, the better the device gets and more info gets back to the users.
Here is a link to the EU community forums bug page:
https://xiaomi.eu/community/forums/bugs.20/