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is there a way that i can root my thunderbolt without having to wipe it clean? everything i seem to find sayes that it will be complete wipe.
Nope. you can try and back up as much as possible but a total wipe is required.
In time is it possible to have a true one click root to root the phone. I am still learning everything it takes to do a root and this phone seems more difficult then some other phones. My buddy just rooted his fasinate, and it was easy as can be.
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In time is it possible to have a true one click root to root the phone. I am still learning everything it takes to do a root and this phone seems more difficult then some other phones. My buddy just rooted his fasinate, and it was easy as can be.
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It's possible that there might be a 1 click that wont have to wipe data. But unfortunately to exploit the backdoor that allows root currently you need to revert to an old RUU.
What are you worried about regarding having to do a complete wipe?
I do full wipes all the time. Whenever I switch a ROM or even upgrade a ROM I do a complete wipe. What is it you're worried about losing.
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I do full wipes all the time. Whenever I switch a ROM or even upgrade a ROM I do a complete wipe. What is it you're worried about losing.
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This is my fist Android phone and I am still learning how do do everything. So I really don't want to mess it up. I am trying to do reserch on everything before I do the root.
rh7camaro said:
This is my fist Android phone and I am still learning how do do everything. So I really don't want to mess it up. I am trying to do reserch on everything before I do the root.
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Very smart. Once you get the root fever though...
The Thunderbolt was my first Android as well and I did the same thing you did and made sure I had as much knowledge as I could before I rooted. I used the root on mac walk through and it worked perfect. Now I am flashing roms and kernals like it is going out of style. I even bricked the phone loading a rom the wrong way but with the knowledge I gained using bootloader to root it was an easy fix. Once you get the hang of it, it gets really easy.
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The Thunderbolt was my first Android as well and I did the same thing you did and made sure I had as much knowledge as I could before I rooted. I used the root on mac walk through and it worked perfect. Now I am flashing roms and kernals like it is going out of style. I even bricked the phone loading a rom the wrong way but with the knowledge I gained using bootloader to root it was an easy fix. Once you get the hang of it, it gets really easy.
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Well that's good to know thats what I will be doing over the weekend. I have everything backed up and apps really don't matter. I just want to have more control over my phone. But I don't know if I want to wait a little longer till more roots are out or what. I really like this phone, and it becoming a brick does not sound fun
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I do full wipes all the time. Whenever I switch a ROM or even upgrade a ROM I do a complete wipe. What is it you're worried about losing.
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Same here. Just wiped to load ROM Update.
There is alot of apps out there that will backup all your data without being rooting
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Well that's good to know thats what I will be doing over the weekend. I have everything backed up and apps really don't matter. I just want to have more control over my phone. But I don't know if I want to wait a little longer till more roots are out or what. I really like this phone, and it becoming a brick does not sound fun
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There won't be any more "roots" that will come out. They are all done the same way. The only way you will get support is by doing it the manual way. Using a 1-click is more dangerous than doing it the manual way. (no one knows when/if unrevoked will come out with one for this phone) I highly suggest doing it the manual way.
Great to hear someone say that they are reading up and learning about it before they do it. We are finally getting some smart people to this forum
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The Thunderbolt was my first Android as well and I did the same thing you did and made sure I had as much knowledge as I could before I rooted. I used the root on mac walk through and it worked perfect. Now I am flashing roms and kernals like it is going out of style. I even bricked the phone loading a rom the wrong way but with the knowledge I gained using bootloader to root it was an easy fix. Once you get the hang of it, it gets really easy.
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You didn't brick it...that would mean no possible recovery.
-sent via 1.21 giggawatts of android.
I came from windows mobile and so I also was averse to wiping cause it takes so long to setup thephone again..but not on android.titanium backup is awesome and can restore you back to normal super fast. dont fear the full wipe
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thanks everyone
it took a long time
went to youtube to get all the videos on rooting
here is the link for anyone who wants it. it will help step by step to root the thunderbolt.
forgot to put the links in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKPSe12YDxQ and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc6EMdPpF6o&feature=related
i came from a blackberry where there was no backing up and no playing around uner the hood. this left me very scared to rooted my thunderbolt but after two weeks of owning it i made the jump and did the easy root took a little bit of time but worked great now i jsut need to convince myself to flash a new ROM
you only have to wipe and lose everything the initial time of rooting. after that point, you can backup everything when you want to switch ROMs and try things out. so you only lose stuff the first time.
Hello fellow xoom owners... I've had my xoom for awhile now but was hesitant to root because of nagging wife and children who also use xoom. But I'm a "rooter" and I can't take it anymore ...lol. I'm not new to rooting except for xoom as I'm not experienced in adb and what not... so if anyone can help I would be greatly appreciative. I've looked at plenty of tutorials and only found a select few that are simple but losing data is a "requirement"... Anyways as stated earlier any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Idk how I got here...
You will lose data because when you fastboot unlock it wipes the xoom. What you can do is back up your internal data n your computer. After youre done rooting put everything back. Your apps will have to be redownloaded from the play store.
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What version of Android are you on?
Currently I'm on 4.1.1 jr003h...
Idk how I got here...
Try this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1420351
Its for the galaxy nexus but should work for a Xoom. Basically with 4.0+ we can now do full backups without needing to be unlocked/rooted, you just need adb to be set up.
Thanks for the link. But I'm not really familiar with adb. Guess I am a noob lol
idk how I got here...
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Thanks for the link. But I'm not really familiar with adb. Guess I am a noob lol
idk how I got here...
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There's no reason to fear adb. It's very easy to set up and to use. After installation, you basically copy-paste the instructions. When I say it's easy, I mean it, last week I didn't have any idea of the existence of adb. An hour after I read about it, I managed to start using it. It's that easy!
I paste you the links I found useful (basically how to use it and how to install it).
http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=ADB
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Howto:_Install_the_Android_SDK
I think I'm going to try to make a complete backup this weekend, just to see how much time it takes. But my device is already unlocked and rooted, so I suppose if you decide to try it, it would be on your risk.
Thanks for the links. As soon as I get home I'll read it and see where to go from there. If I'm brave enough to go through with it lol
idk how I got here...
Just word of advice, if you're rooting for the hell of rooting it and you don't need it, I did say (from personal opinion) forget it.
Ok on topic, adb is fairly safe I never heard of anyone bricking their device using adb commands unless they moved some system files (don't know if that's even possible with no root).
I have a LG Mach (AKA Cayenne, LS860) LG Apparently algo named the LU3000 "Mach" as well for w/e reason. There is a distinct lack of ANYbody developing for this phone. I would like to take on doing it myself, but I am unclear on how to start. I managed after about a week to root the stock rom, but I can't find any recoveries for it. How should I go about this?
I understand that this is a very in depth question and for most, it would be too much to tackle. However, I have a background in C++ and Visual Basic (though I am a little rusty). Any direction would be nice and I am willing and capable of learning anything necessary to accomplish this.
Thanks!
Well this is a combination of bump / information. Since there is a lack of information regarding this phone out here, I figured I would share the method I used to root this phone. It works on the stock 4.0.4 rom.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1886460
I was thinking about compiling TWRP for this phone myself, but I would like input from everyone if CWM would be a better choice? Input welcome
CorySCline said:
Well this is a combination of bump / information. Since there is a lack of information regarding this phone out here, I figured I would share the method I used to root this phone. It works on the stock 4.0.4 rom.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1886460
I was thinking about compiling TWRP for this phone myself, but I would like input from everyone if CWM would be a better choice? Input welcome
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I just won this phone, and I'm putting the term LG MACH ROOT/LG MACH BOOTLOADER in this thread so people can find it via google.
There is pretty much no developer love for this phone...
I don't care which way you do it. Personally I prefer TWRP because of it's touch controls.
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I just won this phone, and I'm putting the term LG MACH ROOT/LG MACH BOOTLOADER in this thread so people can find it via google.
There is pretty much no developer love for this phone...
I don't care which way you do it. Personally I prefer TWRP because of it's touch controls.
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Well, it looks like its up to me and you:
Im going to compile TWRP tonight for it, and if all goes well, I will create a new thread with the rooting method and recovery explained. However, know that you will officially be person #2 to use this recovery image. All warnings and potential problems will apply.
Up for some fun?
I haven't got the phone yet actually. Briefmobile informed that I won and that sprint will ship it. I don't know anything more than that :/ I hope soon. It'd be fun to mess with the phone while my college break is going on still.
Sorry about the really slow replies. I should subscribe so that tapatalk notifies me.
I don't know when it will get here :/
But since you have it, do you know if the bootloader is unlocked/unlockable? Google is surprisingly of little use with this phone. I'd love to dink around with this phone since it's not my primary one (and I can't use cellular services on it)
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I haven't got the phone yet actually. Briefmobile informed that I won and that sprint will ship it. I don't know anything more than that :/ I hope soon. It'd be fun to mess with the phone while my college break is going on still.
Sorry about the really slow replies. I should subscribe so that tapatalk notifies me.
I don't know when it will get here :/
But since you have it, do you know if the bootloader is unlocked/unlockable? Google is surprisingly of little use with this phone. I'd love to dink around with this phone since it's not my primary one (and I can't use cellular services on it)
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All good, it takes time to develop these things anyways. I should have a stable TWRP build within a few days, and a CyanogenMod 10.1 (Android 4.2) build complete in the next couple of weeks.
The bootloader is something I am going to tackle tonight. As you can tell, there is zero documentation on the web for this device. In fact, it received more attention when it was a concept than it does now. So for now, I have no answer on the bootloader. I hope so, or all my work is useless lol. However, root is obtained at a bare minimum
Anyone out there that comes across this thread that wants to find information on modding this phone, PLEASE post your interest here. Trust me, you won't find any other resources.
lg locked bootloaders
I have the lg motion, I don't know how close it is to the mach but I've been following a thread for several months that has been trying to figure out a workaround for the locked boot loader. Google all things root guide for lg motion and you might be able to find a decent starting point for your phones maybe even help them figure out the motion
Ok, well I think, for now at least, root is all we are getting . I have managed to develop and compile ClockworkMod Recovery TeamWin Recovery, and Cyanogenmod 10.1 for it, but realized after all that work that the bootloader is not only locked, but also signed with a digitally encrypted key. Basically in laymans terms: We are ****ed. So, if anybody manages to shmooze either Sprint or LG out of these unlock codes, let me know and I'll provide everything else. Otherwise, anything I have made will brick every LS860 it goes on. Sorry guys.
Oh boy is like Motorola all over again... So no flashing recoveries even?
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Hey!
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Mgamerz said:
Oh boy is like Motorola all over again... So no flashing recoveries even?
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Thats correct. At least from my understanding. I could be wrong, but without the ability to unlock the bootloader i dont want to try flashing recovery. Too risky for me. Ill give anyone who wants to try my twrp build but i wont accept any repercussion for it doing anythin negative
Give me your twrp build then
I just rooted it. Was super easy.
Tried adb reboot bootloader. Did nothing. Tried adb reboot recovery. Recovered the device. Can't seem to figure out a way to have it download software. (like nvflash) Wonder if there's a special cable...
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So I already bricked two, lol. Not going for a third. I really wanna root this phone. I went as far as getting the firmware which is a cab file. But then I guess you have to convert that to a kdz file. Then decrypt the kdz file. Well it appears you need to be an LG Service tech to use the program. Was hoping there was work around for all this,
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So I already bricked two, lol. Not going for a third. I really wanna root this phone. I went as far as getting the firmware which is a cab file. But then I guess you have to convert that to a kdz file. Then decrypt the kdz file. Well it appears you need to be an LG Service tech to use the program. Was hoping there was work around for all this,
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I rooted it, it was easy using the sony tool that does the adb backup remount bug, but that's as far as I got. I uninstalled a bunch of crap off of the system partition and its a lot faster now, too bad I can't get that activation screen to go away.
Just pulled the newest OTA. I found it in /cache. I tried to get the URL but instead I made it so it no longer sees there's an update... I have the zip file however, and inside of it there is patches to just about everything in system, and updates to magazines, chrome, and LGBookmarksProvider.
There's also a command to install a recovery image:
#!/system/bin/sh
/sbin/write_recovery /dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/recovery
Not sure if it's a good idea to flash that... forgot that it's still locked bootloader
EDIT: Finally figured out download mode... I just held all the buttons down when starting it and voila, it's there. I also hear you can use the LG Software update tool to flash back to stock, so we might finally have root that's safe
Does anyone have the BooksTablet.apk found in /system/app? I'm not sure why but it won't install the update cause the sha1 of that file fails I don't know where to find it.
Dont let this thread die! I noticed there was no dedicated forum for the LS860 development, I really enjoy this phone and would love some level of development for it. I can help as much as I am able.
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Dont let this thread die! I noticed there was no dedicated forum for the LS860 development, I really enjoy this phone and would love some level of development for it. I can help as much as I am able.
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Can someone rip me their BooksTablet.apk and BooksTablet.odex from their LS860 and PM me a link to it? I really am pissed off at the update prompt (I'm not sure why it's not working, I haven't touched it and I made sure I backed everything up... It won't validate BooksTablet.apk) I'm on the stock original version of the software ZV6 or something... not the ZV7.
I really don't want to go into sprint that much, though I might have to do that soon.
Edit: Just called sprint. They won't do anything for me and I'm not going to pay money for someone to reflash my phone. It's pretty ridiculous how factory images for devices aren't released. You know how many issues this would solve? That's why nexus devices are great. They're practically unbrickable.
Hey guys, try posting the mach in here so maybe it can get a forum for it.... And possibly some development.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1660354
Hi, I have LG Mach (LG LS860) - the Root MANY ANDROID! [Upd: 17.04.2013] Sony method worked with software version ZV6, but I have purchased a new LG Mach with ROM version ZV7 (an update from Feb 20) - and this method runs but does not result in root - how can I roll this software version back or else get root in an alternative manner? - please help!
Hi, tomorrow I'm getting a nexus 7 (2013), and it's going to be my first android device, the thing is, as the first android device, I don't want to screw it up as soon as I get it.
There are some apps which I would like to get for it, for example the sixaxis controller app and anti ads apps but they require rooting, so the question is, should I root it and how safe is rooting. As my first tablet I want to be kinda safe about it, the thing which worries me the most is "bricking" and the fact that the warranty turns void, so I want to know how actually safe it is to root, I know there are different kinds of bricking, I already asked a guy on a youtube video and he said that it's unusual to get a nexus device bricked, expecially hard bricked, but he said that if it's hard bricked I'm kinda stuck, so is there no actual solution for some kind of bricking, please give me some advice, also this is my first post on the xda-developers forums, I was going to put links to the things I mentioned but I need to have at least 10 posts to put outside links :/.
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Hi, tomorrow I'm getting a nexus 7 (2013), and it's going to be my first android device, the thing is, as the first android device, I don't want to screw it up as soon as I get it.
There are some apps which I would like to get for it, for example the sixaxis controller app and anti ads apps but they require rooting, so the question is, should I root it and how safe is rooting. As my first tablet I want to be kinda safe about it, the thing which worries me the most is "bricking" and the fact that the warranty turns void, so I want to know how actually safe it is to root, I know there are different kinds of bricking, I already asked a guy on a youtube video and he said that it's unusual to get a nexus device bricked, expecially hard bricked, but he said that if it's hard bricked I'm kinda stuck, so is there no actual solution for some kind of bricking, please give me some advice, also this is my first post on the xda-developers forums, I was going to put links to the things I mentioned but I need to have at least 10 posts to put outside links :/.
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Welcome to the forum!
Rooting is safe, as long as you don't do stupid things, if you stay responsible, nothing bad could ever happen. Responsible means Googling if you don't know something, and if something looks risky, don't do it and maybe search for an alternative.
I have rooted 8 devices, so far, never has one been bricked.
The rooting proces alone is really easy, even someone with no Android experience, like you, can do that.
But with rooting you'll have to unlock the bootloader of your device, that means all data of your Nexus will be erased, so it's good to root the Nexus 7 right after you buy it, so you'll lose no important data.
This thread will give you a toolkit for Windows, in which you can root and unlock the bootloader: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2430708 (use option 3 in the root section, everything is automatic)
Before doing anything, please read really good, and if you don't know what something means, Google it first.
With a custom recovery, you can make a full backup of the current state of your device, so if it's bricked, you can access the custom recovery and restore the backup.
So what you have to do when you buy the Nexus 7, download and install the toolkit, go to the root section, click action 3 (unlocked bootloader, root and custom recovery). You're rooted. Then go to custom recovery (Google it if you don't know how to get there), and make a backup, so if anything happens and you are bricked, use a key combination to get in recovery and restore the backup, just like nothing happened
Hope this is enough for you!
Don't forget, if you have a question, feel free to PM me or to reply on this thread
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Welcome to the forum!
Rooting is safe, as long as you don't do stupid things, if you stay responsible, nothing bad could ever happen. Responsible means Googling if you don't know something, and if something looks risky, don't do it and maybe search for an alternative.
I have rooted 8 devices, so far, never has one been bricked.
The rooting proces alone is really easy, even someone with no Android experience, like you, can do that.
But with rooting you'll have to unlock the bootloader of your device, that means all data of your Nexus will be erased, so it's good to root the Nexus 7 right after you buy it, so you'll lose no important data.
This thread will give you a toolkit for Windows, in which you can root and unlock the bootloader: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2430708 (use option 3 in the root section, everything is automatic)
Before doing anything, please read really good, and if you don't know what something means, Google it first.
With a custom recovery, you can make a full backup of the current state of your device, so if it's bricked, you can access the custom recovery and restore the backup.
So what you have to do when you buy the Nexus 7, download and install the toolkit, go to the root section, click action 3 (unlocked bootloader, root and custom recovery). You're rooted. Then go to custom recovery (Google it if you don't know how to get there), and make a backup, so if anything happens and you are bricked, use a key combination to get in recovery and restore the backup, just like nothing happened
Hope this is enough for you!
Don't forget, if you have a question, feel free to PM me or to reply on this thread
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Ok, thanks for the information, I was going to update the nexus to kitkat when I get it, so if I root it with kitkat I will still have the kitkat version right? I still don't think I'll root it when I get it, but this makes me feel safer about it, and when you say lose important data what do you mean? basically it will delete all the files I have on my nexus that weren't there in the first place(when I buy it) right?
MadJohny said:
Ok, thanks for the information, I was going to update the nexus to kitkat when I get it, so if I root it with kitkat I will still have the kitkat version right? I still don't think I'll root it when I get it, but this makes me feel safer about it, and when you say lose important data what do you mean? basically it will delete all the files I have on my nexus that weren't there in the first place(when I buy it) right?
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Yes, you're right about the last question.
When you root it, the KitKat version stays the same, don't worry.
Can you please thank my posts? Little effort from you and it really helps me
Ibrahim9999 said:
Yes, you're right about the last question.
When you root it, the KitKat version stays the same, don't worry.
Can you please thank my posts? Little effort from you and it really helps me
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Ok I thanked the posts, I already have my nexus 7, udpating it to kitkat right now, I will think about rooting later, I can do other stuff without it
edit: one more thing, does some of the apps that come with nexus get deleted on rooting? for example play store
that's right, rooting is safe if you know what you do, and do read first tutorials before doing it...goodluck
MadJohny said:
Ok I thanked the posts, I already have my nexus 7, udpating it to kitkat right now, I will think about rooting later, I can do other stuff without it
edit: one more thing, does some of the apps that come with nexus get deleted on rooting? for example play store
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No, literally nothing changes in your Nexus 7 with rooting, except for 1 extra app being added. That's it.
actually it is depends on your own
if you are going to use some apps which are needed to root then you have no choice but to root
like Titanium Backup, Greenify, Autostarts, AdAway, etc
Rooting
Rooting is fine but it comes with great consequences like bad security and you can brick it, there's many things that can go wrong. But if you get thru that daunting, annoying and sometimes scary process of rooting you open a world of freedom and fun.
Hey guys.
I have a rooted, unlocked bootloader, custom "recoveryed" Nexus 5, on stock 4.4.4 and stock kernel.
My question is, when Android L comes around, what should I do to update. Doing an OTA update is probably not the best idea right? Since I am rooted and have a custom recovery. So, what would be the steps to take to update. I don´t mind loosing root or making a fresh install.
Anyway just a noob question about something that I never had to do, since I rooted it on 4.4.4.
Thanks for your attention.
Flash a factory image.
Where can I get those?
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Where can I get those?
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On the Google site. Google "nexus factory images"
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You can OTA update fine. It will just remove root is all.
Get the wugfresh toolbox and reinstall root after. This is what I do every time.
Don't use toolkits.
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Don't use toolkits.
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why Ive been using the wugfresh forever now. On my nexus 5 and 7 with no issues.
tevil said:
You can OTA update fine. It will just remove root is all.
Get the wugfresh toolbox and reinstall root after. This is what I do every time.
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I've been away from the Nexus 5 forum for a while, I come back and this is still happening. Please don't recommend rootkits for people who are clearly new to android modification. As said a million times on these forums, rootkits are fine if you know what you're doing but not for beginners. Beginners need to do things manually because they need to be able to fix their own mistakes if they're simple. Instead of going back here and asking very basic questions which they could have answered themselves if they didn't use a rootkit.
OP: Please do as @rootSU said and flash a factory image. His sig contains all the threads and information you need. It's a very handy tool which can fix your phone's software problems in almost any situation. Especially in the case of Android L (an update with HUGE internal changes), I highly recommend flashing factory image. This is what I will be doing. The factory image completely replaces your OS with stock.
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I've been away from the Nexus 5 forum for a while, I come back and this is still happening. Please don't recommend rootkits for people who are clearly new to android modification. As said a million times on these forums, rootkits are fine if you know what you're doing but not for beginners. Beginners need to do things manually because they need to be able to fix their own mistakes if they're simple. Instead of going back here and asking very basic questions which they could have answered themselves if they didn't use a rootkit.
OP: Please do as @rootSU said and flash a factory image. His sig contains all the threads and information you need. It's a very handy tool which can fix your phone's software problems in almost any situation. Especially in the case of Android L (an update with HUGE internal changes), I highly recommend flashing factory image. This is what I will be doing. The factory image completely replaces your OS with stock.
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Okay but thats a fine answer over "dont use rootkits"
That made me think they were bad or something.
Technically like myself he is all stock he said, so aside root hes already pretty much stock OS.
Not sure where the animosity is. Also he obviously knows how to root and install custom Bls if hes done it before.
I very rarely pop in here anymore myself unless there is a major issue but doing things the way Ive been has pretty much eliminated those (jinx). Im still more on the Nexus S forum since I tinker with that more as my mp3 player.
He could always just take a backup before updating and dive in. Ive done that in the past with fine results.
Also even IF you do everything manually first and down the line screw up something theres a pretty BIG chance youll be here asking wtf happened. It happens to the best of us at one point or another.
tevil said:
Okay but thats a fine answer over "dont use rootkits"
That made me think they were bad or something.
Technically like myself he is all stock he said, so aside root hes already pretty much stock OS.
Not sure where the animosity is.
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they are bad if you dont know what you're doing
the animosity comes in to play when you read the forums daily and you see threads saying "HELP i tried to use such and such toolkit and now my phone doesnt work"
tevil said:
Okay but thats a fine answer over "dont use rootkits"
Also even IF you do everything manually first and down the line screw up something theres a pretty BIG chance youll be here asking wtf happened. It happens to the best of us at one point or another.
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Yeah, but that's why we ask people to read all the threads before starting to mess with the device first. If you understand how the basic things work and what you're actually doing to achieve root, it's alot easier to troubleshoot very basic problems yourself. Of course for bigger issues people can feel free to post and get help. Also, if they did read everything and still messed up, when they post they're able to list the steps they've taken in the post so people can help them better. Otherwise, it becomes "help I messed up, I don't know what to do, I pressed the start button on the toolkit and my phone doesn't turn on."
Regarding the first part of your post, I still think it's just better to start fresh. Yeah, you can do a backup and try it but I honestly think it will be wasting time. It's always good to start fresh once in a while even if you don't use xposed/rooted apps. Eventually, your phone gets cluttered with apps and sometimes they conflict and you have battery issues, and other issues, etc. Since L is the biggest update to android since even I've been involved in it (I only started getting involved in XDA around 4.0), I would highly recommend everyone flashes the factory image and starts fresh. That way you will also know if there are bugs with L itself, or if's the fact that you installed on top of kitkat and all your prior data that's causing the issue. Anyway, no hard feelings. You said you don't spend a lot of time here so it's understandable.
Zepius said:
they are bad if you dont know what you're doing
the animosity comes in to play when you read the forums daily and you see threads saying "HELP i tried to use such and such toolkit and now my phone doesnt work"
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Well my bad, Ive never seen that. But toolkits (mainly this one) have very detailed instructions. Let alone the same issues happen when using ADB and push.
Its a double edged sword. I get the , go the long route first, which even I did (but also pre root kits), but In my own defense reading the OP he already did root and BL his phone (to my assumptions) so I didnt think my input was that bad.
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Yeah, but that's why we ask people to read all the threads before starting to mess with the device first. If you understand how the basic things work and what you're actually doing to achieve root, it's alot easier to troubleshoot very basic problems yourself. Of course for bigger issues people can feel free to post and get help. Also, if they did read everything and still messed up, when they post they're able to list the steps they've taken in the post so people can help them better. Otherwise, it becomes "help I messed up, I don't know what to do, I pressed the start button on the toolkit and my phone doesn't turn on."
Regarding the first part of your post, I still think it's just better to start fresh. Yeah, you can do a backup and try it but I honestly think it will be wasting time. It's always good to start fresh once in a while even if you don't use xposed/rooted apps. Eventually, your phone gets cluttered with apps and sometimes they conflict and you have battery issues, and other issues, etc. Since L is the biggest update to android since even I've been involved in it (I only started getting involved in XDA around 4.0), I would highly recommend everyone flashes the factory image and starts fresh. That way you will also know if there are bugs with L itself, or if's the fact that you installed on top of kitkat and all your prior data that's causing the issue. Anyway, no hard feelings. You said you don't spend a lot of time here so it's understandable.
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I hear ya.
I ran the L beta a while so honestly Im not that worried. JINX, Im sure you will be answering my HELP thread in 4 weeks! lol
There was no animosity from me. I simply said "don't use toolkits" and that was for good reasons which have been well written in the (General) sticky threads that all new users should read
The problem is we have to waste our time trying to explain what fastboot is to someone who broke their phone after only having used a toolkit. This is why we prefer people don't use them or recommend them.
On top of that,many toolkits are multi-device and this can cause bricks when faced with uneducated users.
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Yhea. I also remember, when I was first serching for ways to root the Nexus 5 on stock 4.4.4, I saw many warnings saying to not use toolkits.
I ended up usung CF-Auto-Root, wich is not a toolkit right? :-/
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Yhea. I also remember, when I was first serching for ways to root the Nexus 5 on stock 4.4.4, I saw many warnings saying to not use toolkits.
I ended up usung CF-Auto-Root, wich is not a toolkit right? :-/
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Its not but it still sort of removes some of the manual steps we hope you would learn doing it all manually.
Best place to start is the general sticky thread. My adb and fastboot thread is designed to be a good start for people looking for basic info. Then anyone looking to actually root can move on to the rooting guides which employ much of what was learned in the former thread.
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Right. I was checking the guide from the thread in your signature and saw the way you did the root. I've done the fastboot and bootloader unlock and all those thing, but when I got to the root part I used the CF-Auto-Root. Is this going to give me problems?
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Right. I was checking the guide from the thread in your signature and saw the way you did the root. I've done the fastboot and bootloader unlock and all those thing, but when I got to the root part I used the CF-Auto-Root. Is this going to give me problems?
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No no. As a root method it works fine. Just not as an educational piece
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@rootSU your point being? I mean, isn't rooting with the CF Auto Root easier.
larwindcunha said:
@rootSU your point being? I mean, isn't rooting with the CF Auto Root easier.
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you clearly didnt read.
good god look what I started lol.