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Are there better onscreen keyboards for the vzw tp2? The keys are too small and I have a lot of typos since they're too close together. I have a perfect time on my ipod touch and would like to somehow change the onscreen keyboard on the tp2 so the keys are bigger or something.
Also it doesn't auto correct spelling either when typing messages, emails etc. If anything all it does is capitalize the first letter of the first word in aqnew sentence and that's it. Is there a way to make it work like on the ipod? That is perfect.
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1: rotate phone 90 degrees counter-clockwise
2ush upward with thumbs
3. Tada! Best mobile keyboard.
buggs1a said:
Is there a way to make it work like on the ipod? That is perfect.
Thanks.
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Buy an iPhone?
Or as football0552 pointed it out, just slide the keyboard out. On-screen keyboard is meant for only replying "OK" to a friend =D
hardware keyboard too small.
iphone sucks. apple sucks.
onscreen keyboard is not meant for only ok. it is meant for all typing. hardware keyboard for me is even worse then the onscreen one.
buggs1a said:
hardware keyboard too small.
iphone sucks. apple sucks.
onscreen keyboard is not meant for only ok. it is meant for all typing. hardware keyboard for me is even worse then the onscreen one.
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Too Small??? Oo
Well, try some other keyboards, there are some lying around here somewhere, search for resco keyboard and finger keyboard
buggs1a said:
hardware keyboard too small.
iphone sucks. apple sucks.
onscreen keyboard is not meant for only ok. it is meant for all typing. hardware keyboard for me is even worse then the onscreen one.
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Apple sux??? and you have a Ipod Touch? And Hardware Keyboard is too small?? Are you serious, this keyboard is gigantic compared to any other slideout KB out there. Just search for other KB out there, I havent found a WVGA one yet. I use the Compact Qwerty KB that is on Mightey Mikes new rom. I think its the best for texting if you dont feel like whipping out the KB bro.
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hardware keyboard too small.
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Really?? I thought it is the best. Definitely the best hardware keyboard for a phone...but anyway I have used SBP Keyboard. It works pretty good and you can download different skins that have different layouts and bigger and smaller keys so you can kind of customize it to your liking.
Here is the cab for the keyboard: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ODHE7PK9
I just hate it when someone asks for help and then people go suggesting other stuff. eg iphone.
Thanks for the suggestion for the sbp. I still think its keys are way too small. Look how skinny they are. Way smaller then my thumbs.
The hardware keyboard on the tp2 is yes, the best I have seen, but still too close together by far. You look at yer thumb and how wide it is and I need a bigger onscreen keyboard.
The sbp I tried and I think it is slightly better then the default onscreen keyboard. Only thing is it doesn't stick to that when I reboot the phone etc. At least mine went back to the default.
That may be. I mostly used it on my touch pro and it stayed as the default on that one. I haven't used it a lot on my TP2
I assume you've had your device for a while now. They all take getting used to, so my only suggestion would be to practice a bit more with both keyboards. I came from using Treos (no problem using a keyboard that size for me when I had them). I am by no means small of hand: the top joint of my thumb covers 15 of the physical keys at a time, and I have zero problems selecting individual keys. The virtual keyboard, while not the easiest to use, is one I still can use with very few mistakes, actually better than I expected.
Sorry to not have a solution to your exact question, merely a suggestion, but I hope you stick with it. This is too good a device to give up on IMO.
Afterthought question: what were you using previously that had bigger keys than this?
i have ipod touch 2g and love the onscreen keyboard. maybe its better not only from size but it is capacitive on glass solid screen? could the screen be the difference? i just have to type very slow with tp2 hardware kbrd and onscreen. im not giving up on my tp2. what makes this such a wonderful phone anyway? i just wish the onscreen kbrd keys were wider. but my thumbs maybe dont slip to next key on ipod cus its capacitive. i dunno.
are you typing with the ends of your thumbs or the actual pads? I have noticed that Cap screens are pretty lenient in allowing you to use big blunt things like the pads of your thumbs whereas resistive screens are somewhat more picky so using the ends of your thumbs, fingers, nails are better off used in this case. Same would go for physical keyboards of smaller size.
I would strongly suggest using the fingernail to type on the screen. A solid tap right over top of the intended key then moving on to the next letter lets me type very fast on the screen. Possibly faster than the physical keyboard (but only for shorter messages/search phrases). Just tap with your index fingernail and trust that the screen picked it up. that's what i do
I don't use the very tip of my thumbs or fingers but just below that with fingers or the middle/fatter part on the thumb because of how you hold the phone. But even if I use closer to the tip that doesn't help much on tp2.
I really have towonder if a big thing here is capacitive iPod touch (glass?) vs tp2 resistive. My fingers thumbs don't seem to slip as much on iPod but maybe that's cus iPod keys are a bit wider which of course they are I think.
The hardware keyboard on the tp2 I use the tip of fingers/thumbs a bit more for sure. They're way to clse and flat otherwise when using the fatter middle part of my thumbs.
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I just hate it when someone asks for help and then people go suggesting other stuff. eg iphone.
Thanks for the suggestion for the sbp. I still think its keys are way too small. Look how skinny they are. Way smaller then my thumbs.
The hardware keyboard on the tp2 is yes, the best I have seen, but still too close together by far. You look at yer thumb and how wide it is and I need a bigger onscreen keyboard.
The sbp I tried and I think it is slightly better then the default onscreen keyboard. Only thing is it doesn't stick to that when I reboot the phone etc. At least mine went back to the default.
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I don't use the very tip of my thumbs or fingers but just below that with fingers or the middle/fatter part on the thumb because of how you hold the phone. But even if I use closer to the tip that doesn't help much on tp2.
I really have towonder if a big thing here is capacitive iPod touch (glass?) vs tp2 resistive. My fingers thumbs don't seem to slip as much on iPod but maybe that's cus iPod keys are a bit wider which of course they are I think.
The hardware keyboard on the tp2 I use the tip of fingers/thumbs a bit more for sure. They're way to clse and flat otherwise when using the fatter middle part of my thumbs.
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I've got pretty big hands and an iPod Touch 32GB (1G) and I have a harder time with the iPod's keyboard vs. the TP2.
I use the TP2's 'full qwerty' on-screen keyboard for texting and the hardware keyboard for emails.. I find it easier to format emails with the hardware keyboard.
Anyway, my suggestion is to use that little nub in the middle of your thumb and teach yourself to type over a few day period.. that's what I did and it only took me a few days to follow the learning curve from my Storm 1 (now THAT'S a HUGE difference)
-mak
Maybe what I'm seeing is iPod is glass and the tp2 is plastic. Much easier to use the iPod onscreen then tp2 for me. With tp2 I think what happens is I slip to the next letter and i have to manually correct it. I get auto correction on iPod but my fingers/thumbs don't slip to the next letters. The hardness of my iPod screen feels so much better then the tp2 screen.
Is what I'm talking about capacitive vs resistive? Is it the iPod glass screen/hardness vs the tp2 softer screen?
And does anyone know how to get the tp2 to auto correct like iPod does?
Perhaps what we really need to know is what all the typing is for? Are these just little SMS messages or are you doing a lot of work on your phone?
The only way you're going to get physically bigger is by going to a full size (more r less) Bluetooth keyboard. Actually quite nice if you are doing a considerable amount of work on your phone. Maybe not so hot if you are only looking for a solution to tap out some SMS messages once in a while.
You can only make each key so big and still fit them all on a certain size screen. Does your iPud have a larger screen? You can look for other software keyboards, but the keys can only get so big & keep them all on screen.
A resistive screen needs to receive pressure. A capacitive screen only needs to register the electrostatic ground you provide. And yes, a capacitive screen is more like glass if not actually made of glass. Perhaps the capacitive screen of your iPud works better for you and the properties of the resistive screen just don't get along with your fingers. There are just now WM phones coming out with capacitive screens, HTC HD2 for instance.
These two are simply things that can't be changed with this phone. They are physical properties. If these are the problems, you need to look at other phones.
If you want the software to do others things like auto-correction, you need to look at other software keyboards.
Wikipedia & internet searching are your friends.
p.s. Please look up the proper usage of the words "then" and "than".
... How is this CMDA specific again?
I've never had a touch screen phone. The only touch screen device I've had is a Palm IIIxe. Yeah, I guess I'm dating myself here. All of my phones have had hardware buttons with some sort of D-pad. I'm considering finally getting a touchscreen device (EVO) and I'm wondering what you guys think about alternative cursor controls in combination with a touchscreen.
The G1 had a trackball. As does the Nexus One. Several Android devices now have optical pads in place of the trackball. And some other devices have hard d-pads.
My question is thus:
What do you guys think about having an extra way to input on a touchscreen phone? Do you find yourself using it often? Hardly at all? Would you rather have that extra space as more screen (or something else)? And which do you prefer? Optical, hard d-pad, or trackball?
Just trying to get some discussion and some thoughts going.
Thanks.
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I've never had a touch screen phone. The only touch screen device I've had is a Palm IIIxe. Yeah, I guess I'm dating myself here. All of my phones have had hardware buttons with some sort of D-pad. I'm considering finally getting a touchscreen device (EVO) and I'm wondering what you guys think about alternative cursor controls in combination with a touchscreen.
The G1 had a trackball. As does the Nexus One. Several Android devices now have optical pads in place of the trackball. And some other devices have hard d-pads.
My question is thus:
What do you guys think about having an extra way to input on a touchscreen phone? Do you find yourself using it often? Hardly at all? Would you rather have that extra space as more screen (or something else)? And which do you prefer? Optical, hard d-pad, or trackball?
Just trying to get some discussion and some thoughts going.
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Optical track ball looks sweet, but it's alot finickery than the trackball itself. I can old see a d-pad for games, that's it.
it is GREAT for selecting texts. i think track ball is the best as it feels the most smooth and have some physical feedback.
I'm happy to have it. It would honestly draw me away from the phone if it didn't have a trackball. I constantly use it, it's kinda just natural.
my x1 got an optical actionpad and it's pretty jittery close to useless
It's a great optional way to input, edit, etc. Plus changing colors for diff events is awesome...Luv it on my Nexus!
I love the trackball on my Nexus, just makes it WAY easier to correct text, instead of tapping around till you find the right spot, you just go there. Now I will be buying an Evo, and I'll get used to it, I did it on my iPhone & I do fine without it on my Droid, but it will be missed.
I've heard trackballs don't last as long. Is this true?
I love my trackball it makes things easy
How does it work exactly? Do you get a mouse pointer? Or are the trackballs movements just translated into up/down/left/right?
A mouse pointer would be sweet....
I love the trackball. On my G1, it is no longer perfect, but still does the job.
I have just got a Desire as a new work phone, and the optical track ball SUCKS. So dissapointed. It's going back! I'm either going to wait for a keyboard phone or get an N1.
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How does it work exactly? Do you get a mouse pointer? Or are the trackballs movements just translated into up/down/left/right?
A mouse pointer would be sweet....
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You get a mouse pointer in Opera 5. I like having it.
Is it mini or mobile? I can't remember.
TrackballS tend to get dirty and jam, this happend to almost all my phones that had them (especially BB's). Now that I have a phone with the optical pad, I find it more stylish, durable, comfortable and reliable. It just took a little getting used to at first. Im sure most phones from now on will be using the pad over the ball. Trackballs are so 2009.
it's 2008, not 2009
optical trackpad has been out for too long and I think it's better. I don't know how can you guys use the trackball and not get it dirty :-s
and on android phone I don't need either of those, I use volume key to move the cursor, and it's good enough for me
I use it mainly for moving my cursor in a text, copying text.
Sometimes I use it for scrolling through a list or a document.
Little use overall, but I'm happy it's there when I need it.
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I use it mainly for moving my cursor in a text, copying text.
Sometimes I use it for scrolling through a list or a document.
Little use overall, but I'm happy it's there when I need it.
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Exactly, it is rarely used, but selecting text/moving the cursor around a text field with the optical sensor is bad. You can only jump 1 character at a time.
As I mentioned before, it's great having the mouse pointer in Opera, and the trackball complements it great. The optical is no good at all with this, as it only moves up/down and left/right, not diagonally, and only in small steps.
I have had my G1 for ages, without a case, and the trackball, while not as good as new, still blows the optical sensor away.
I don't think it matters what year it is, there are advantages to the trackball over the optical.
I like the trackpad and the hardware d-pad of my Xperia X1. They enable me to use my phone singlehandedly whenever I need to. It's also nice to scroll through lists. And last but not least one or two more opitions to control your device can never be bad.
very useful, you cant navigate the bootloader without it.
i smashed my phone yesterday and im glad i have the hardware buttons including the trackball
i managed to backup everything without touch input! win
the track ball would keep me away from the g1, nexus one and any other phone that has it. i never understood it nor did i see the need for it. i've played with them on my friends phones and have not felt comfortable using them. but it does seem like others have found them valuable so i guess its safest to say that they are not for everybody.
The dock is very solid...it seems well built, and if the latest firmware fixes my unresponsive dock issues....I'm a happy camper....
I just wanted to ask...do you think that the keys take a little bit more pressure than normal to make a consistent input? when I type, I'm missing letters because I'm used to typing on a keyboard that has light keys.
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I just wanted to ask...do you think that the keys take a little bit more pressure than normal to make a consistent input? when I type, I'm missing letters because I'm used to typing on a keyboard that has light keys.
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Absolutely. I work on a Thinkpad T510 every day (T60 prior to that) and my Transformer's keyboard requires a heck of a lot more pressure to make a key stroke.
For me its quite the opposite the keys are very easy to hit and type with.
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Nope. Very soft to push.
easy to type on with a good amount of travel.
Havent noticed that.these losers keep buying them and putting them onebay for a fortune
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I think you need to give your fingers a workout
They're pretty normal to me here, at least when comparing to my Logitech G510 gaming keyboard and the M11x keyboard.
The only thing is that my SPACEBAR seems a bit louder than the other keys when pressing. Probably due to its shape and suspension in comparison to the other smaller ones.
For some reason, when I hit the delete key - it deletes two characters most of the time instead of 1. Anybody else running into the same problem?
My dock types ultra smoothly. U must have a defect
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I think you need to give your fingers a workout
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Funny that you say that since I play guitar and I gotta keep my fingers 'in shape'
So, I have the mt4gs and a Samsung Transform Ultra that's unconnected. (long story.) the STU has swype on it as well. However, the on screen buttons are taller and slightly wider. the screen is wider, but also not as tall, so I figure that causes it to auto format differently. i absolutely hate on screen keyboards with incredible passion, which Is why I'm using a phone with a real hardware keyboard. But sinc eht on screen buttons ont he STU are so big and perfectly placed, I actually find it quite tolerable and actually use it to type when I turn that phone on.
I also noticed that manufacturers alter swype to suit the marketing and purposes of their phones. so I wondered if there's any way to mod the swype files to increase the sizes of the on screen keys, since I'm rooted. any help or pointing me int he right direction would be much appreciated.
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So, I have the mt4gs and a Samsung Transform Ultra that's unconnected. (long story.) the STU has swype on it as well. However, the on screen buttons are taller and slightly wider. the screen is wider, but also not as tall, so I figure that causes it to auto format differently. i absolutely hate on screen keyboards with incredible passion, which Is why I'm using a phone with a real hardware keyboard. But sinc eht on screen buttons ont he STU are so big and perfectly placed, I actually find it quite tolerable and actually use it to type when I turn that phone on.
I also noticed that manufacturers alter swype to suit the marketing and purposes of their phones. so I wondered if there's any way to mod the swype files to increase the sizes of the on screen keys, since I'm rooted. any help or pointing me int he right direction would be much appreciated.
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Not trying to sound snarky, but have you rotated the phone to landscape mode? The landscape Swype keyboard is much nicer.
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Not trying to sound snarky, but have you rotated the phone to landscape mode? The landscape Swype keyboard is much nicer.
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Yeah I don't like that much either. but I'm talking about the portrait mode, since that can be operated with one hand to tap out a quick short message. I mean, if I was willing to turn the phone each time and remove my other hand from what it's doing/holding, I'd just slide the top portion and use the hard keys.
Greetings! I am simply wondering if this tablet provides a decent drawing experience when compared to, say, the Galaxy Note line of products. I owned a Galaxy Note 8.0 which was wonderful, but after an unfortunate mishap, it's been rendered useless. I've been waiting for a tablet that is somewhat small, has an included stylus, and is very powerful (Stock Android is certainly another plus!). This seems to be the only device that fits the bill. I just want to know if actually feels like a pencil on paper from (hopefully) unbiased owners. I mainly intend to use ArtFlow and LayerPaint HD.
So nice to hear that there are people noticing that feature of the shield Tablet. So generally after some trys with different apps, Imo it works pretty well. But it can't be compared to an device with an active digitiser.
So you have your main focus on drawing. I would say you can have the same results as with an Spen for example. But you have to learn how to use the Direct Stylus.
In many reviews and threats & posts you will read about pressure sensitivity.
That not the truth. Direct stylus recognise the size of the tip touching the surface. There are two ways to achieve a bigger surface with this kind of stylus :
1. Press real hard on the display
That would be the normal "use" of an pen and an stylus with digitiser.
That is the reason you will read about flimsy tips of the stylus.
2. Twist the stylus while Drawing
When you take a look at the Tip of the stylus you can imagine, how the developers intend to use this kind of stylus .
For example when you want a decent line with a fine start, getting bigger till the end you have to start with the small tip and turn the stylus to a bigger spot.
l know it sounds unfamiliar, specially, when you are used to the Spen of Samsung, but after some tries it works quiet well.
As Nvidias CEO said during presentation , it depends on your personal skill..
Another important thing is the palm recognition.
It works most the time but it uses the same technique as pressure sensitivity. So it sometimes happen that when you lift or move your palm, You are giving an input. The best workaround is to activate the "stylus only mode " in the Menubar.
The annoying thing is, that you can't use pinch to Zoom or your Finger to move your workingsheet.
Hope I could give you a little clou on using the Direct Stylus on the shield Tablet.
If you got some more questions feel free to ask or pm me
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I use artflow on SHIELD and its ok. I love the stylus and it feels nice to draw with. Not sure if its the tablets senors or ArtFlow but sometimes it isnt accurate, where you think you're touching isn't what the tablet detects. I've only noticed this really with ArtFlow, Dabbler seems to be more accurate so I'm assuming its just the app itself. ArtFlow has rolled out updates for the Tegra k1 since I've downloaded it, so hopefully it gets better. I havn't tried Layer Paint yet.
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The annoying thing is, that you can't use pinch to Zoom or your Finger to move your workingsheet.
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Pinch Zoom works fine for me in Stylus only mode for ArtFlow. It is a tad buggy, sometimes instead of zooming/moving it acts as an eraser...which is odd. But the undo button fixes it. Its not perfect but it works for me.
Thank you so much guys! Could either of you test a pencil on the display? It works with the Tegra NOTE 7 and some other devices like the Galaxy S4/ S5. Make sure it's dull so you don't destroy your screen if you do try it.
What about small curls?
Hi, stylus lovers!
I have a question to owners of Shield Tablet.
Some time ago I've tested my colleague's Tegra Note 7 tablet (EVGA branded).
That tablet has Direct Stylus too. And it's stylus "engine" has an distressing flaw: it "eats" small curles. For example if I'm writing small handwritten letter "b" (the upper oval first and then the lower oval) the upper oval will be drawn in very reduced size, almost to dot. But the lower oval will be almost normal. It applies other letters with upper curls like handwritten "f", "h", "k" and "l" too.
(I hope, my explanation and my English is not very ugly.)
So, the question is how Shield Tablet's stylus behave in such situation? Can you just write some handwritten phrase in any drawing app and check out if small curles of letters were "eaten"?
Thanks!
That's a thing I noticed too. But I think I can explain a little bit about that.
First of all, what you experienced there is also to see when you are writing with for example an Spen. You just really have to take a close look.
To make the input look cleaner the software kind of renders the detected input and round it up to make it look more fluid.
The picture I posted is out of the App "Write ". There you have a setting where you can choose how much the input gets rounded.
l turned up the setting from No 1 to No 5. The movement on the screen was the same in every line.
So you can see how much influence an App setting can make .
So you can't say yes or no to your question. For me the standard Android handwriting recognition makes a really good job in terms of showing what's been written on the Display without the chicken influence
OneNote is imo an negative example for that.
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the software kind of renders the detected input and round it up to make it look more fluid
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Thank for quick reply!
I fully understand that moment. I've spent a lot of time with S-Pen (Note 8 and Note 10.1 2014) and Tegra Note 7 too.
And I can state: S-Pen is more laggy but it don't eats small curls as Tegra Note 7 stylus does.
I played with several drawing apps on Tegra Note 7 and all of them behaves similarly in curl eating.
There is one stylus sensivity setup option in Tegra Note 7 and it doesn't give any good effect for my interest.
I've forgot to say clearly: my interest is not in handwriting recognition. I just want to have precise drawing and handwriting.
So, the question is: does Direct Stylus in Shield Tablet eat curls less than in Tegra Note 7?
Obviously my question sounds whimsy. But I can't do anything with it. I want precise stylus.
No you don't. I really can understand you. Had the same headache.
On shield tablet l can't find a setting like you mentioned.
I really would like to post some examples but the App won't let me do this for you. So I would say order it and try it on your own. Maybe you find a shop with an good return policy?
I can make thinks look like been eaten up but with the same app l can write the best texts. There it really depends on the kind of pencil & brush and thickness you choose ...
Really sorry mate
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So the stylus in the shield isn't active? It's just like any other capacitive stylus that emulates a finger, maybe a bit better?
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So the stylus in the shield isn't active? It's just like any other capacitive stylus that emulates a finger, maybe a bit better?
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It's way way better.
Due to some Tegra's digitizing magic the Direct Stylus 2 performs like an active stylus. The most valuable advantage of Direct Stylus 2 over other capasitive stylus digitizers is very high sensivity and selectivity.
Here is good video on it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaRT0E-RTPQ
And here is a video on older Tegra Note 7 (with an older Direct Stylus digitizer) digitizer comparison with S-Pen digitizer on Galaxy Note 8 and capasitive sensor of Nexus 7:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtZz4PjcAUk
@Kirrrr Thanks for the videos. It seems to me like they optimized the ability for the touchscreen digititzer to pick up the size of a touch. The soft tip of the pen changes its size depending on the way you hold it and the pressure. Reporting of touch size is actually build in to android. I tested it and different fingers report different sizes. My pinky 1 - 2, forefinger 2 - 4 and thumb 3 - 5. I think that lots of drawing apps don't take advantage of this because the variance is so small when using the same finger. It seems like they where using a customized version of sketchbook that actually takes the touch size into account. I doubt the tip is going to last long and it didn't look like the tip is replacable. Software wise what they did is impressive, but I think I'm going to skip this tablet.