Hello. I bought a Moto G two weeks ago and I got a 5V - 1A(output) charger for it. It took about 2.5 - 3 hours to fully charge it. My charger broke and I bought another one today with an output of 700mA( at least this is what was written on it) and I noticed it was charging my phone very slow, about 3% per 10 min( 96% for 5 hours, if you calculate it). I brought it back to the seller for that reason(even though the seller insisted that it was better for the battery to be charged slow). What kind of charger should I buy? And how long should my phone take to charge(optimal time) ?
You can calculate this. Battery is 2070mAh, which means if you have 1A (1000mA) charger it should take about 2 hours. if you have 700mA charger it should be full in about 3 hours. That's in theory. In reality it takes a bit more due to efficiency of charging process.
With a 10v wall charger and Moto G default charging cable, 1h and 30 minutes maximum. This is for when the battery is at 0 percent.
krucymucy said:
In reality it takes a bit more due to efficiency of charging process.
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And the phone still consumes energy if it is turned on, or being used during charging.
Taichilly said:
With a 10v wall charger and Moto G default charging cable, 1h and 30 minutes maximum. This is for when the battery is at 0 percent.
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Does this still apply when charging from PC with original charging Motorola charging cable?
I charge mine in about an hour and 30/50 minutes.
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Does this still apply when charging from PC with original charging Motorola charging cable?
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Yes it does, because charging from pc only gives you 0.5 amps i.e if you're using a USB2.0
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Hi I just bought a used galaxy note 10.1
it did not come with a usb wall charger
after 7 hours of charging
a search said its my usb charger
I was wounding if it is normal for this to take over 24 hours from 0% battery on a charger like this
that only gives 0.5 A
or am I doing damage to my battery by leaving on charge for longer than 24 hours
its like a incredibly slow trickle charge
right now its almost full it claims but im not sure if it will ever be full at this rate
I thought maybe 24 hours but now its 1 hour past 24
I was trying to (calibrate the battery )
so I let it die to 0%
I turned the device on half way though charging
noticed it had an x though the batter so I freaked out and tryed plugging and unplugging it like 10 times
I was wounding how bad that might be for the memory of my battery to do something like that
because I unplugged it before it got to 100% when i was attempting to calibrate it
Im not sure how sensitive these batteries are
but your input would be much appreciated
You could use an off brand iPad charger with your USB cable to help it charge faster your typical phone charger will only give off 0.5 ma, so look for one for a tablet
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only one thing to your problem with charging, replace the new one usb cable and your problem will be solving
rohmanch said:
only one thing to your problem with charging, replace the new one usb cable and your problem will be solving
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I know that but I was wondering if leaving it plugged in will it be bad for my battery at all
to leave it plugged in now approaching 28 hours
the charging logo on the screen appears to have approximately 75% charge so far
I want it to get to 100%
should I unplug it if its not charged in 6-8 more hours
im mainly wondering if it is even possible to fully charge to 100%
on a old ipod usb charger or not
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Hi I just bought a used galaxy note 10.1
it did not come with a usb wall charger
after 7 hours of charging
a search said its my usb charger
I was wounding if it is normal for this to take over 24 hours from 0% battery on a charger like this
that only gives 0.5 A
or am I doing damage to my battery by leaving on charge for longer than 24 hours
its like a incredibly slow trickle charge
right now its almost full it claims but im not sure if it will ever be full at this rate
I thought maybe 24 hours but now its 1 hour past 24
I was trying to (calibrate the battery )
so I let it die to 0%
I turned the device on half way though charging
noticed it had an x though the batter so I freaked out and tryed plugging and unplugging it like 10 times
I was wounding how bad that might be for the memory of my battery to do something like that
because I unplugged it before it got to 100% when i was attempting to calibrate it
Im not sure how sensitive these batteries are
but your input would be much appreciated
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You are not harming your device. The only negative is that it will take longer to charge. The red is normal when not using either the correct type charging block or usb cable, it is not harming your tablet.
I would just do what some of the other posters have suggested, getting a new charger made for a tablet, just because waiting that long for it to charge is not practical.
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I know that but I was wondering if leaving it plugged in will it be bad for my battery at all
to leave it plugged in now approaching 28 hours
the charging logo on the screen appears to have approximately 75% charge so far
I want it to get to 100%
should I unplug it if its not charged in 6-8 more hours
im mainly wondering if it is even possible to fully charge to 100%
on a old ipod usb charger or not
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SGN 10.1 GT-N80XX series need a specifically designed charger for them.
One thing for sure, it need to provide 2.1 A, 5 V & most phone charger only supply around 0.5 - 1 A.
Most 3rd party charger also only supply around 0.5 - 1 A.
The other is the data pin(s) & it quite different with Apple's charger.
I've tried several 3rd party chargers & Apple chargers (iPod,iPhone & iPad) & most of it unable to charge my N8000.
You need to buy an original charger for your device.
Or you can try buying 3rd Party N80XX charger on eBay from a reputable seller.
That being said, you also need an original cable to be used with the original charger.
Most 3rd party cable can only supply 0.5 A & some 3rd party charger can only be used using specific 3rd party cable.
A long 3rd party cable (10 ft / 3 m) usually can only supply around 1 A.
For example :
I have a Powerbank that uses its own cable to charge at 2.1A rate, but I can't use my own original cable with it
But my original cable is fine & I uses it to charge using my original wall charger.
It takes around 4-5 hours from 4% to 100% (with WiFi ON & all sync on)
0.5 A can't charge your device while in Power ON condition.
To charge at 0.5 A rate you have to turn OFF your device & it will take a long time to get 100%
(N80XX series have a 7000mAh battery so you can calculate how long).
NOTE:
The battery with red cross icon means that the charger/cable isn't designed for N80XX (usually the data pin settings is mismatching the original design), but it will still charge your device at a very low amperage (lower than 0.5A) to prevent damage for using inappropriate charger.
rtan73 said:
You are not harming your device. The only negative is that it will take longer to charge. The red is normal when not using either the correct type charging block or usb cable, it is not harming your tablet.
I would just do what some of the other posters have suggested, getting a new charger made for a tablet, just because waiting that long for it to charge is not practical.
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yes I will as soon as I can
thank you
I am still a little worried that It will never make it to 100% with the only one I have available for now
does not really sound like anyone has had the patience to let it go to full with this slow trickle
Amazon has the chargers and cables.
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When i turn off my g flex 2 and plug in the charger it turns on and boots up to android is this normal?
Yes
Okay. Thanks for the fast answer.
I have this phone now for a month or so and everything was good so far. But now it started to charge very slowly (i use included LG charger). It used to take 1 hour and a half to full charge, but now it takes 4 hours or more. What shoud I do? BTW the first time I plug in the charger it charges even slower (shows 10 hours till full charge), but after a few minutes I replug it again and its 4 hours then.
Beside a USB volt meter there is no indicator that tell that the phone charge at 5V or 9V. So it seems that you charger don't recognize the quickcharge phone everytime.
I have a usb volt meter and I noticed that usb cable quality is the second most important factor after the charger quality. Bad cable will result in high resistance and low intensity (and low power as you may know P=U*I)
At 9V, it's less sensitive to high resistance/low quality cable.
Hi,
I noticed that when I recharge it with a charger that is only 650ma the battery last much longer than with turbo charger that came with the phone.
Even in standby after recharged it takes one hour to consume only 1% but after turbo recharging it takes about 10 min to drop 1%.
Is there anyone experiencing something like that?
Funny it is.... The case is opposite for me... Although I use Transomart QC 2.0 charger. My battery lasts longer when I charge it with quick charger compared to standard 1 Amp chargers.
That´s so weird.
I am preparing a comparison to figure out what's happening.
It happens the same here. I've a Aukey turbo charger and the battery drains faster
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It happens the same here. I've a Aukey turbo charger and the battery drains faster
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I also got Aukey and it's the same
There's no way to actually know the charge (in mAh) of a battery without draining the battery. The way that phones estimate the charge is by measuring the voltage of the battery. Quick Charge 2.0 (supported by the Moto X 2014) uses a higher voltage to charge the battery faster. This can make the battery hit max voltage before it is actually fully charged. That is why Quick Charge always advertises how quickly it gets to 80%. To get to full charge (not just when it shows 100%, but when it is actually fully charged) will take about the same time as a standard charger.
Heat and Turbo charge destroys your battery.
if i turbo charge , my phone will suddenly die when it's between 10-20%. W/ regular charging I get sudden death at 6-8%
i use a moto razr 850mah charger and solved the 8% sud power off, took 2 charge cycles from death to 100% leaving it overnight. Now battery works as it should
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As I've been reading around (can't recall specific scientific data), the faster you charge the battery, the less capacity it can hold. So it makes sense that it lasts longer if you charge it slowly. I don't know how much would be the difference tho.
It is normal in my opinion. Slower charging is also healthier for the battery and usually will last longer
Has anyone ever used a wireless charging pad with the phone. I bought a stick-on one from amazon and it charges fine,,,slower but fine. However, I noticed that it tends to get suck at certain levels and if I take off the wireless charger at say 89 percent,,,it takes less than a min to go to 100 percent charged?
Recomendeed is charge with Motorola original charger of this device, i mean 1150mAh dual port charger
Anyone here with experience of using Motorola's Turbopower 15 wall charger? I'm thinking to buy one, because waiting for 1 hr to charge to 100% is quite annoying.
XZ's battery charge time is 2.5 hour from 25%, is it normal?
I turned on battery care mode.
Battery care is turned on?
Mine also came with a slow charger. When I plug it to my portable battery, it can still be pretty fast (and hot...)
With stock UCH 12 charger it takes my phone about 1,5h to get fully charge. 30min to 60% and 1h for the rest. It seems like Sony disabled any type of QuickCharge above 60% to prevent battery damage and it doesnt matter what type of charger you would use alter that - it will stick to 1000mA all the time.
Two things:
1) are you using QuickCharge charger?
2) do you or any of your apps use phone while charging?
Any of those would prolong charging time.
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With stock UCH 12 charger it takes my phone about 1,5h to get fully charge. 30min to 60% and 1h for the rest. It seems like Sony disabled any type of QuickCharge above 60% to prevent battery damage and it doesnt matter what type of charger you would use alter that - it will stick to 1000mA all the time.
Two things:
1) are you using QuickCharge charger?
2) do you or any of your apps use phone while charging?
Any of those would prolong charging time.
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Please see my answer are listed below and thanks
1) are you using QuickCharge charger?
Yep.
The charger is UCH12.
2) do you or any of your apps use phone while charging?
No.
I turned off the phone during charging.
jeffreywen said:
Please see my answer are listed below and thanks
1) are you using QuickCharge charger?
Yep.
The charger is UCH12.
2) do you or any of your apps use phone while charging?
No.
I turned off the phone during charging.
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Try to keep it turned on then. I guess Sony could set offline charging to minimal settings and control QuickCharge with software. Try "Ampere" app to check how many ampers are you getting while charging (download from play store, no root required). It should oscillate from 700mA to 2500mA. If not (e.g. stuck at 1000mA) it means your charger could be defective and should be exchange for new one.
man. I got 75% in an hour while the phone was off :/ using the same charger as yours so there must be a problem, try to change the cable
Guys does anyone know if the USB type-C cable which comes with the non-fast charger is 3.0 Quick Charge compatible?? I've ordered a Anker 3.0 Quick Charge charger just wanted to make sure the cable is.
My case is even worse, tales 3 hours to charge from 13% to 97%
I am even using the newest Sony 3A usb c to c quick charger!
What the hell..
XZ support QC 3.0 so it should be able to charge from 0%(theoretically) up to 100% 1h40-1h50 using a QC 3.0.
During my few weeks i've had this phone (recived with UCH20 charger) i tried to test phone's ability to charge quickly and failed it took usually 2-2h20 min with original charger. I've ordered chinese charger (sony's UCH12W is 4 times more expensive, even samsungs and htc chargers are much more cheaper).
During tests (using ampre) i tried to start charging when battery dropped to 10%. I used 2 charges original UCH20,Tronsmart WC1T and 3 USB-C cables 1x original, 1x unknown chinese, 1x tronsmart(original included with a charger).
Conclusion:
UCH20 is slower, Ampere won't show more than 1560mA 10-60/70% then something around 1100mA and 780 or less 90-100%
WC1T is faster, 10-60% 2220mA (or less depends on throttling/temperature) then about 1500mA to 90% and less than 1000mA (usually 500-800mA) 90-100%
Tested with onvo adaptive charging on, stamina off, wifi on, brightness auto (0-40%), there was no difference betwen cables only unknown chinese cable was slightly slower but that is only my opinion. Battery temperature oscylated between 26-37/38°C(Ampere)
This phone will only fast charge up to 60/70% then it slows down a bit and last 10% is slow, it should preserve battery health yet still allow you to charge it quickly when in a hurry so u can use it for another few hours until you'll get back home and plug it for a night.
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XZ support QC 3.0 so it should be able to charge from 0%(theoretically) up to 100% 1h40-1h50 using a QC 3.0.
During my few weeks i've had this phone (recived with UCH20 charger) i tried to test phone's ability to charge quickly and failed it took usually 2-2h20 min with original charger. I've ordered chinese charger (sony's UCH12W is 4 times more expensive, even samsungs and htc chargers are much more cheaper).
During tests (using ampre) i tried to start charging when battery dropped to 10%. I used 2 charges original UCH20,Tronsmart WC1T and 3 USB-C cables 1x original, 1x unknown chinese, 1x tronsmart(original included with a charger).
Conclusion:
UCH20 is slower, Ampere won't show more than 1560mA 10-60/70% then something around 1100mA and 780 or less 90-100%
WC1T is faster, 10-60% 2220mA (or less depends on throttling/temperature) then about 1500mA to 90% and less than 1000mA (usually 500-800mA) 90-100%
Tested with onvo adaptive charging on, stamina off, wifi on, brightness auto (0-40%), there was no difference betwen cables only unknown chinese cable was slightly slower but that is only my opinion. Battery temperature oscylated between 26-37/38°C(Ampere)
This phone will only fast charge up to 60/70% then it slows down a bit and last 10% is slow, it should preserve battery health yet still allow you to charge it quickly when in a hurry so u can use it for another few hours until you'll get back home and plug it for a night.
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Good post, thanks for sharing,
I ve recently brought Anker PowerPort+1 charger QC3.0 compatible and used stock Sony cable and max output I got was 2180mA max using Ampere too.. What my question is now what should the XZ be drawing max? near 3000mA?? Battery care Off.
Ive ordered PortaPow 20AWG cable it states its also QC3.0 compatible so lets see how much it get and if it makes any difference to the charge times.
I will post my results in the next 2 days.
It's about Samsung official 15W Wireless Charger Duo (model number EP-P5400) and is the fastest wireless charging pad from Samsung.
Using the above wireless charger, charging the S22 Ultra(Snapdragon) using the 25W Samsung adapter and the cable(that comes in the phone box) . Started charging at 12 noon when the battery was at 1% and in about 3 hours 21 mins it's charged till 76%, and to fully charge it took 4 hours and several minutes. The "time remaining to fully charge" shown below the battery icon is false, it takes way more(double) time. It does fast wireless charging at 15W, but should it take 4+ hours to fully charge?
This charging adapter+cable combo does super fast WIRED charging and charges fully as intended and on time, so no issues with the adapter+cable.
Phone FW build is "AVCJ", phone is not connected to any bluetooth device or such, there's no metal object in between, fast wireless charging toggle is ON in settings, cache erased in recovery, device care app version 13.0.03.1(is the latest and app cache erased), phone restarted and so on for basic troubleshooting.
What is the issue if not the EP-P5400 wireless charging pad itself?
Bump!
PS: Ambient temperature is low (21/22°C), so it's not about slow charging due to temperature rise in the phone and the cooling fan inside the charging pad is working fine too.
Virgo_Guy said:
It's about Samsung official 15W Wireless Charger Duo (model number EP-P5400) and is the fastest wireless charging pad from Samsung.
Using the above wireless charger, charging the S22 Ultra(Snapdragon) using the 25W Samsung adapter and the cable(that comes in the phone box) . Started charging at 12 noon when the battery was at 1% and in about 3 hours 21 mins it's charged till 76%, and to fully charge it took 4 hours and several minutes. The "time remaining to fully charge" shown below the battery icon is false, it takes way more(double) time. It does fast wireless charging at 15W, but should it take 4+ hours to fully charge?
This charging adapter+cable combo does super fast WIRED charging and charges fully as intended and on time, so no issues with the adapter+cable.
Phone FW build is "AVCJ", phone is not connected to any bluetooth device or such, there's no metal object in between, fast wireless charging toggle is ON in settings, cache erased in recovery, device care app version 13.0.03.1(is the latest and app cache erased), phone restarted and so on for basic troubleshooting.
What is the issue if not the EP-P5400 wireless charging pad itself?
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Possible misalignment of the phone on the charger?
Is the fast wireless charging switched on in the battery settings?
Rubby1025 said:
Possible misalignment of the phone on the charger?
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It shows "fast wireless charging" while charging, so not misaligned.
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Is the fast wireless charging switched on in the battery settings?
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This I've already mentioned in the OP.
some possibility is that the phone was doing something in the background that consumed battery while charging... check to see if anything is running in the background, often times it's Google related (some 3rd parties known to drain are FB related apps)
If this is doing all the time then might be something that you'd want to check with samsung. reproduce the issue then report to samsung using Samsung Members app > get help > error report.
Have you tried a different wireless charger. Yours may not be working correctly for some reason.
dalepl said:
Have you tried a different wireless charger. Yours may not be working correctly for some reason.
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I did, with a 9W wireless charger from Samsung from 10 to 30% that took comparatively longer time than this new one, which is obvious.
Dpk1 said:
So, today it charged from 53% to 100% in just 55 minutes. Phone wasn't used while charging and 4G data bluetooth were on like before. Charging was done at similar location of the same room as before. The difference was that I used Samsung 25W adapter to power the Wireless Charger (instead of hp one) and kept the charger over a flat wooden rack (instead of over bed mattress last time).
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Charged from 53% to 100% with the above "conditions" met using the 25W Samsung adapter. Started charging at 9:40 AM and done at 11:11 AM, that's 1 hour 31 mins.
What's the device care version you are using?
Just for a test unplug the pad from the charger and hook up direct to the phone with cable. How long does it say for a charge now?
I have the 15 watt Samsung Charger that comes with a 25 watt super fast charger. 15 watts wireless and 25 watts when wired. EP-P2400TBEGUS make sure when buying the one I have that it comes with the travel adapter (Charger). They sell two versions one for $39.99 that is just the pad only and then the one I have for $59.99 that comes travel adapter (Charger)
Anyway I am currently at 45% let me put it on charger and see how long it says it will take to charge to 100. Ok it says 1hr 9min to fast wireless charge to full.
Now I plug in the cable direct to the phone and it says 45min to super fast charger to full.
There is no way phone shoukd take hours to wirelessly charge unless there is a problem with the pad, charger or case interfering with wiress charging.
What case are you using? Are there magnets on it? Is it very thick material?
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Just for a test unplug the pad from the charger and hook up direct to the phone with cable. How long does it say for a charge now?
I have the 15 watt Samsung Charger that comes with a 25 watt super fast charger. 15 watts wireless and 25 watts when wired. EP-P2400TBEGUS make sure when buying the one I have that it comes with the travel adapter (Charger). They sell two versions one for $39.99 that is just the pad only and then the one I have for $59.99 that comes travel adapter (Charger)
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Already mentioned in the OP. Absolutely no issues there.
Paul_Deemer said:
Anyway I am currently at 45% let me put it on charger and see how long it says it will take to charge to 100. Ok it says 1hr 9min to fast wireless charge to full.
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Mine says "X" time to full, but takes way, way longer in real.
Paul_Deemer said:
.... There is no way phone shoukd take hours to wirelessly charge unless there is a problem with the pad, charger or case interfering with wiress charging.
What case are you using? Are there magnets on it? Is it very thick material?
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Checked with and without cases(official samsung non-magnetic cases), found no difference.
TheNewGuy92 said:
some possibility is that the phone was doing something in the background that consumed battery while charging... check to see if anything is running in the background, often times it's Google related (some 3rd parties known to drain are FB related apps)
If this is doing all the time then might be something that you'd want to check with samsung....
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Hence, charged it when phone was turned off, "gain" was some 8 mins less time to fully charge. So the problem lies elsewhere.
Virgo_Guy said:
Already mentioned in the OP. Absolutely no issues there.
Mine says "X" time to full, but takes way, way longer in real.
Checked with and without cases(official samsung non-magnetic cases), found no difference.
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Wait I missed that post above. You said you used an HP Charger and a Samsung Charger on the pad but the Samsung wirelessly charged in an hour and a half wirelessly? What's wrong with that?
Also where and what is the wireless pad sitting on? Wood Table or Desk? Not a bed?
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Wait I missed that post above. You said you used an HP Charger and a Samsung Charger on the pad but the Samsung wirelessly charged in an hour and a half wirelessly? What's wrong with that?
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You are missing the point. I referred to the OP(original post), explaining what all steps taken and all.
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Also where and what is the wireless pad sitting on? Wood Table or Desk? Not a bed?
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Wood table.
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....You said you used an HP Charger and a Samsung Charger on the pad ..
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- Do not get confused with quotes by me and @Dpk1 .(I quoted a post by @Dpk1 taking from another thread.
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...but the Samsung wirelessly charged in an hour and a half wirelessly? What's wrong with that?
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From 53% to 100%, it took 1 hr 31 mins in mine is what I said and that's not right.
Virgo_Guy said:
- Do not get confused with quotes by me and @Dpk1 .(I quoted a post by @Dpk1 taking from another thread.
From 53% to 100%, it took 1 hr 31 mins in mine is what I said and that's not right.
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I just did 33% - 100% in about 1 hour 18 min which is pretty normal for 15 watt fast wireless charging. The same Samsung 25 watt charger plugged in wired will get you there under an hour. Don't use third party chargers with the wireless pad. Just the Samsung 25 watt one. Really nothing wrong with 1.5 hours wirelessly. These are normal charge times.
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I just did 33% - 100% in about 1 hour 18 min which is pretty normal for 15 watt fast wireless charging. The same Samsung 25 watt charger plugged in wired will get you there under an hour. Don't use third party chargers with the wireless pad. Just the Samsung 25 watt one. Really nothing wrong with 1.5 hours wirelessly. These are normal charge times.
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Yours same one does, mine does not same way wirelessly like yours. That's the problem. Nothing else.
After about 80% the charging rate ramps down to protect the battery.
At about 90% it will ramp down again and likely yet another time as it approaches 100%; this is normal. New batteries have a higher capacity and will charge longer.
Peak charge rates occur between 6- 72% or so as long as it doesn't exceed about 102F.
Fast charging will not engage for that charge cycle if the start temperature is below about 50-60F or less to protect the battery.
Ideal start temperature is 82-90F, charging is an electrochemical reaction that needs enough heat to function at optimum fast charging rates.
Provide cooling as needed as temperature approaches 98F.
Other possible causes are a defective temperature sensor in the battery, mobo or charging coil. Firmware; corruption or wrong values. A defective coil assembly, C port pcb or mobo.
Virgo_Guy said:
Charged from 53% to 100% with the above "conditions" met using the 25W Samsung adapter. Started charging at 9:40 AM and done at 11:11 AM, that's 1 hour 31 mins.
What's the device care version you are using?
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Today, it took 1hour and 27 minutes to charge from 27% to 100% with same charger and under same conditions. Device care version on my s22 ultra is 13.0.03.1
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Today, it took 1hour and 27 minutes to charge from 27% to 100% with same charger and under same conditions. Device care version on my s22 ultra is 13.0.03.1
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How long to charge from 27-70%?
The last 20% takes much longer...