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Just like it's in the iPhone. The GMaps app downloads a certain map area, and then using cell phone triangulation, pin points the location of the phone, and then gives directions etc.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_tracking)
Is such a thing possible on Windows Mobile? It should be, I feel, because there's no special hardware required for it.
GMaps for WinMo, *does* pin point point almost the exact location, but if the data/wifi connection is cut, the map disappears.
Cell Phone Triangulation works OK in the Google Maps latest version (and earlier too) for Window Mobile. The problem is you need a data connection to download the map to the phone. Google Maps does not allow to save the map for offline use or even thru Wifi, AFAIK. For that you will need another program like Google Navigator, which I think is better than Google mobile, but VERY EXPENSIVE. There are other freeware program alternatives that allow offline map saving and usage, but I haven't tested them. Hope this helps.
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Cell Phone Triangulation works OK in the Google Maps latest version (and earlier too) for Window Mobile. The problem is you need a data connection to download the map to the phone. Google Maps does not allow to save the map for offline use or even thru Wifi, AFAIK. For that you will need another program like Google Navigator, which I think is better than Google mobile, but VERY EXPENSIVE. There are other freeware program alternatives that allow offline map saving and usage, but I haven't tested them. Hope this helps.
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Wait. So are you positive that google navigator allows this? Download map once and then browse on it offline while your position is calculated using triangulation...?. Also what freewares are you talking about?
Have to tried Bing Maps app for WinMo ? I have got the directions when there's wifi and it caches the whole route. I once drove from Atlanta to Charlotte...only thing you have to do to kinda force it to cache by going over the entire route when you have finished setting up the directions from point A to B...
I downloaded the trial version of Google Navigator. I cannot figure out how to use it! With my WiFi connected, I tried zooming in, and it just doesn't load the map!
It should work thru wifi and cell phone triangulation, unless the demo is crippled or something. I know I used it in Buenos Aires. However, you may want to disregard Google Navigator since it looks like they are no longer in business. Some time ago I also tried these free alternatives, but it was a pain to download the maps,
MGMaps
Terracrosser
Yes, it's showing my location alright, with a Blue dot. But after that it doesn't load anything.
Do those other two apps support cell phone triangulation?
Just researched a bit, they don't.
So is there *no* way I can do what I'm trying to do? Sounds absurd! Why do iPhone users get cache supported GMaps and we dont?
great
that would be great, tell me how this works? or isn't it possible?
thanks
No help? There has to be a way!
If you have a program which will store the maps, (someone mentioned MGMaps and Terracrosser), then you can use cell tower triangulation with VirtualGPS.
EDIT: Nope. It is asking for internet connection for GSM Triangulation; for some reason. I don't understand why would Internet be required for *GSM* Cellular tower Triangulation.
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EDIT: Nope. It is asking for internet connection for GSM Triangulation; for some reason. I don't understand why would Internet be required for *GSM* Cellular tower Triangulation.
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because it needs to query a database of cell towers, that database is on the internet. either buy an unlimited data plan or don't bother I think all methods of finding location use a data connection apart from gps. gsm location is very inacurate anyway and they dont triangulate they just assume your position from the 1 cell tower you are connected to
also just a note the iphone uses skyhook to determin location when its not using gps so even if it does dowload the maps before hand it still needs to use a dataconnection if it finds a new access point or cell tower.
Okay, I understand. But then, even though such an app doesn't exist; it must be possible. Considering the app downloads the Map and cellular tower data for a particular area that we select. Then, it will not need any kind of interaction with an other server.
Also, it *is* triangulation. And it is accurate if you live in an urban area.
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Okay, I understand. But then, even though such an app doesn't exist; it must be possible. Considering the app downloads the Map and cellular tower data for a particular area that we select. Then, it will not need any kind of interaction with an other server.
Also, it *is* triangulation. And it is accurate if you live in an urban area.
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Yes it would be possible if it downloaded map and cell tower data.
Got any proof about it being triangulation? From what I understand although it is possible for a phone to connect to more than one cell tower wm at least has no managed or native functions which give you access to their cell ids.
Im not 100% if google mobile maps uses wifi but if it does that is triangulation if enough access points can be seen.
Hi All,
I know it is possibile to trace/track a GSM mobile telephones location all over the world.
I also know some compaines does this for chargeable service.
I am VERY interested in getting this for free! (I bet you are also).
Anyone know how to do this without empty our pockets??
Thanks,
in fact, i have the same interest.
who wouldnt love to know how to do this?
The only information you can get out of your own phone, is the ID of the basestation it is attached to. This is held in a register in the phone internals that can be read via the RIL interface.
It is also stored in the SIM. If the phone is totally powered off it will attempt to connect to the last known good base station on power on. (Quicker than sniffing around all available frequences for an suitable station.)
While a change of basestation could be detected by software running on a phone, only the Telco's database has the location of all active phones, so they can inform the basestation to contact your phone if there is an incoming call or data.
This data is theirs and theirs alone. It is valuable and confidential, hence the charge for any use of it.
In short all you can find out from your phone is where it is. But you know that anyway.
Erm... I just wrote this and then I realized that you want to track the device via GSM and not GPS. This will only work with GPS (can be activated in the background), sorry.
Just look for an application that allows you to track your device if its stolen. Some of the programs still work after changing simcard (which is not really interesting if it did not get stolen in the first place...). If everything is set up, you can easily receive a sms with the current location (you need to activate the programm by sending a sms).
If you need to know the exact position of the device like every second, you can use a jogging-trainer which logs the speed etc. But this will only store the positions on the device (you can upload them to your computer, but this can probably not be done via any wireless connection.
My english is not the best, I am sorry. But I am sure you're gonna understand everything ;D And no, I don't know any programs name because I don't use them.
XphX
Stephj, are You talking about GSM or CDMA? Because for GSM I know for sure that the Telco knows a bit more - at least it is possible to triangulate the user's approximate position using three or more base stations (and probably user's signal strength for each base station too). So the DB should hold more info about the base stations available to user's current position, as for example "ready to go base stations" or something like that.
For tracking the phone, you can try GLympse or LookOut, Look out is better if you loos your phone, it synchronize with their website, and can see the location on the phone anywhere in the world, even can delete your data from your web account on look out.
Earn money with your phone through wifi and phone cell towers UK included.
Navizon have just released a new software version of Navimote (v1.07) for Android handsets.
Ever wondered how you could transform the miles you travel into cash in your account. Well, now you can with Navizon rewards.
When you use Navizon with a GPS device, every Wi-Fi access point and Cell tower that you pass by will be logged and turned into points on your account.
If they are discovered by you (If you are the first one to map them)
15 points for each cellular tower
3 points for each Wi-Fi access point
If they have already been mapped by someone else
(except in a few areas)
1 point for each Wi-Fi access point
2 points for each cellular tower
Once you have 10,000 points, you can redeem them for a reward, and $15 will be wired to your Paypal account (minus the Paypal fee in the amount of $0.29).
Note: You may also choose to redeem a reward for a free upgrade to Navizon Premium.
The idea is fairly simple: some users who have GPS enabled phones, or a standalone GPS device map the wireless landscape (ie. the location of Cell towers and Wi-Fi Access Points) wherever they go, so that other users who don’t have GPS will be able to use a positioning system that works independent of GPS.
Instead, location is achieved by triangulating those same Wi-Fi and/or Cellular signals, whose location is now known thanks to the "mappers."
Like in every community, there are the people who do the work and others who benefit from it.
So users who don't want to map any points, but still want the full featured version of Navizon, need to buy it.
But the money is not going in our pockets, it is going in the pockets of those who make Navizon possible, by mapping the wireless landscape wherever they go.
SetUp Instructions.........
Please uninstall the old one and search for Navimote in the market.
The new one is version 1.0.7.
When you start Navimote, click "menu".
It has the usual options (enable/disable, register token and manage account).
Under the "advanced" option you have "Reset network settings":
Use this is you can't be located - it will re-establish the connection with the server.
And you also have the new options:
Power mode:
High = Navimote will always attempt to use the GPS on, in order to collect data
Normal = Navimote will will attempt to use the GPS only when the phone is connected to an external power source. This makes sense for people who always connect the phone to a car charger when driving.
Navizon account:
Enter your Navizon username/password and you will accumulate points in your Navizon account when you collect data.
Sync:
Upload the data you have collected to the Navizon server.
Just like all other versions of Navimote, the collected cells/wifi or the number of rewarded points are not displayed on the screen - so you will have to check your rewards page on http://www.navizon.com if you want to see your points status. (You can use "manage account" to do this)
I recommend that the power mode is set to normal, and that the phone is connected to external power when you're in the car.
Upload the data every now and then (maybe once per day) and you'll see points accumulating in your account.
To collect as many points as possible, make sure that your phone is configured to let applications use the GPS, and also try to leave WiFi on when collecting.
(Power/profile managers may interfere with the GPS and the WiFi state, so if you use one of these please make sure it does not prevent Navimote from using the GPS and that it does not switch off WiFi.
I use a profile manager and have configured it to allow GPS use and switch WiFi on whenever the phone is connected to AC power. I've also configured Navimote with the "Normal" power mode and it works well.)
Sign Up Here!
Once signed up visit Android Market on your device and download Navimote. In settings you can input your username and password.
Happy earning.
EDIT: Works WorldWide!
potter1984 said:
Earn money with your phone through wifi and phone cell towers UK included.
Navizon have just released a new software version of Navimote (v1.07) for Android handsets.
Ever wondered how you could transform the miles you travel into cash in your account. Well, now you can with Navizon rewards.
When you use Navizon with a GPS device, every Wi-Fi access point and Cell tower that you pass by will be logged and turned into points on your account.
If they are discovered by you (If you are the first one to map them)
15 points for each cellular tower
3 points for each Wi-Fi access point
If they have already been mapped by someone else
(except in a few areas)
1 point for each Wi-Fi access point
2 points for each cellular tower
Once you have 10,000 points, you can redeem them for a reward, and $15 will be wired to your Paypal account (minus the Paypal fee in the amount of $0.29).
Note: You may also choose to redeem a reward for a free upgrade to Navizon Premium.
The idea is fairly simple: some users who have GPS enabled phones, or a standalone GPS device map the wireless landscape (ie. the location of Cell towers and Wi-Fi Access Points) wherever they go, so that other users who don’t have GPS will be able to use a positioning system that works independent of GPS.
Instead, location is achieved by triangulating those same Wi-Fi and/or Cellular signals, whose location is now known thanks to the "mappers."
Like in every community, there are the people who do the work and others who benefit from it.
So users who don't want to map any points, but still want the full featured version of Navizon, need to buy it.
But the money is not going in our pockets, it is going in the pockets of those who make Navizon possible, by mapping the wireless landscape wherever they go.
Sign Up Here!
Once signed up visit Android Market on your device and download Navimote. In settings you can input your username and password.
Happy earning
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is this only for uk? or usa as well.
Kush.Kush™ said:
is this only for uk? or usa as well.
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No its for the USA aswell sorry forgot to mention that
potter1984 said:
No its for the USA aswell sorry forgot to mention that
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lol iight did you get my message
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lol iight did you get my message
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Yea thanks for that m8
Glad to have you onboard
Just to update have already started logging cell towers up, and have 4,526 points already within 3 hrs, This app is MINT!!
this stuff legit or is it hokie?
Sounds Hokie.
10000 towers thats 15 dollars for every tower in Arizona.
You'll never make 10,000 points at that rate, unless you seriously travel. And if you have the money for all of that traveling, what's 15 dollars to you?
This sounds like a good way for a company to trick a bunch of muppets into going out and field sweeping for radio sources, for them, instead of having to hire someone...
Is this each time you pass a tower you get points, or does it have to be "new" towers? So if I pass one, I can only get points for it once? Say, if I keep this on during commuting to work and back, I will only get points the first time I pass them, and then never again?
will this work in Australia?
When you pass already mapped towers, yes you still get points. Just not as much as the first time you map it.
Yes this app works world wide.
If you hit the navimote web site their faq will tell all on how it works.
And yes this is legal, the faq will tell you how the money is made
Also this app will benefit people who travel a lot in their jobs. Or very keen ramblers! Lol.
This program is great I have always used navizon or navimote.
Varking said:
Is this each time you pass a tower you get points, or does it have to be "new" towers? So if I pass one, I can only get points for it once? Say, if I keep this on during commuting to work and back, I will only get points the first time I pass them, and then never again?
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Y you say??
Next time make your OWN post, dont just copy and paste, Its lazy, and just shows how intelligent your are, Ctrl + a, Ctrl + c, Ctrl + v.
Are you telling me thats all you can muster??
NOT COOL BRO NOT COOL.....................................
I tried this app, but just didn't understand how to see if you earned any points...After about a 2 hour drive, I went to sync my account and it said there was nothing to sync. I love the idea, just can't get it to work.
oMenaceTigero said:
I tried this app, but just didn't understand how to see if you earned any points...After about a 2 hour drive, I went to sync my account and it said there was nothing to sync. I love the idea, just can't get it to work.
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The sync on the app is not nesseccary the app automatically sends the info off!. The Sync option is their incase you have no data connection, so upload when you get home.
You can check the points you have earnt from the web interface, but it takes a few hours to show up on the site.
Check your account on the web, If you have set it up properly then the points will be their
Just an update....
i had had my First £15 back today!! Woop Woop, 2weeks 1 day from installing the app.
Hope everyone else will follow suit soon
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Hey folks,
So, I was looking for a cheap solution to track a vehicle. All I need pretty much is updates on the location of the vehicle in Long/Lat every 30 sec or so and a way to read out that information to display it on GMaps.
Any ideas where to start? I mean, basically it's what every smart phone does these days and it wouldn't be hard to create a website that displays the map and the location. It's what Google's Latitude did, just one way. I also looked at things like the app Glympse, which would be one way to go.
But I was wondering if there are dedicated options to run this service. It doesn't need to be a smart phone, I just assume that dedicated GPS units will have better greater accuracy and might be cheaper, because I don't need the other phone functions.
Thanks guys!
Google "fpv gps". They do everything you just said, but idk the range
Sent from my SPH-D710 by using the force
If that doesn't work I have some ninja that I can put you in touch with.
Also check out APRS (Automatic Packet Reporting System) used by HAM Radio Operators like my self.
APRS will take data from GPS/GLONASS and send it via VHF (normally but you can do it in any frequency or over the internet). That gets picked up by a repeater that either sends it further away or to an Internet gate. You can track different callsigns here: http://aprs.fi/
You can check the position from your Android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/...wxLDEsImRlLmdvZGRjaGVuLmFuZHJvaWQueC5hcHJzIl0.
You can send messages to others.
There even is an app that takes your GPS data, callsign and sends it via internet to a VHF repeater. So no need for an actual radio. https://play.google.com/store/apps/...t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsIm9yZy5hcHJzZHJvaWQuYXBwIl0.
There is a lot of stuff you can do with this, you can send telemetry data, some people send Weather information, messages, status of your house or car.
I did a project at the University for the minibaja car to take the temp of the engine and RPMs to send it with the position, speed, altitude and direction of the car.
If you want to have coverage even when there is no cellphone reception then I recommend using a VHF radio.
The only thing you really need is a HAM Radio license which is easy and cheap to get. If interested let me know and I'll put you in contact with your nearest HAM Club/Association and they will help you out get your license and APRS going.
You can find more info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_Packet_Reporting_System
http://www.aprs.org/
http://www.tapr.org/
Hope it helps.
- XE1YAA
first of all thanks for the ideas guys!
Zainiak said:
Google "fpv gps". They do everything you just said, but idk the range
Sent from my SPH-D710 by using the force
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I looked into it, most of it was used for quad copters. Not really sure, how to put it together to get the information transmitted (GSM?)
MissionImprobable said:
If that doesn't work I have some ninja that I can put you in touch with.
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hey, that would be great - just to explore a few options. Thanks!
alphinux said:
Also check out APRS (Automatic Packet Reporting System) used by HAM Radio Operators like my self.
APRS will take data from GPS/GLONASS and send it via VHF (normally but you can do it in any frequency or over the internet). That gets picked up by a repeater that either sends it further away or to an Internet gate. You can track different callsigns here: http://aprs.fi/
You can check the position from your Android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/...wxLDEsImRlLmdvZGRjaGVuLmFuZHJvaWQueC5hcHJzIl0.
You can send messages to others.
There even is an app that takes your GPS data, callsign and sends it via internet to a VHF repeater. So no need for an actual radio. https://play.google.com/store/apps/...t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsIm9yZy5hcHJzZHJvaWQuYXBwIl0.
There is a lot of stuff you can do with this, you can send telemetry data, some people send Weather information, messages, status of your house or car.
I did a project at the University for the minibaja car to take the temp of the engine and RPMs to send it with the position, speed, altitude and direction of the car.
If you want to have coverage even when there is no cellphone reception then I recommend using a VHF radio.
The only thing you really need is a HAM Radio license which is easy and cheap to get. If interested let me know and I'll put you in contact with your nearest HAM Club/Association and they will help you out get your license and APRS going.
You can find more info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_Packet_Reporting_System
http://www.aprs.org/
http://www.tapr.org/
Hope it helps.
- XE1YAA
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This is great! I read through the wiki and a couple other pages. So far this looks really promising. How is the pricing tho? I looked at a few systems, but I feel like they were over the top having a bunch of features I don't really need. I think it is great that it doesn't need to rely on cell phone networks, because we are in a mountainous area.
So if I understand it correctly, the APRS unit would be connected to a GPS unit, reads the location data and sends it out to a station that is connected to the internet to publish the data right?
Last week my employer began using isolved time tracker for our work group. We began using it on 9-21-15. On 9-30-15, it was brought to my attention that my 'punches' were being logged from non-work locations. I believe there is a flaw or defect in the mobile software but I'll forward those questions to the software company. One thing I was able to find in my defense was the Google location log on my phone. I know that these items can be edited. I'm afraid that the edit factor may not allow this log to help my case but it does bring some other questions into play. Im hoping someone here with a higher level of knowledge in the field can educate me.
First question-
My location setting is always on and the location method is set to wifi and networks. I do NOT use the GPS option. How does my phone plot my locations? For example, it shows me at my home address at 6:53 am and then my work address at 7:27 am. I assume it's going off my home wifi connection and then my work wifi once I arrive and connect. I also notice it will show a time of 7:27-8:59 at my office, and once I arrive at another work location (and I would assume), connect to work wifi, the next location appears in my location log at that particular time. So, if Im at building B from 11:15 until 1:50, my location will show 'building B 11:15 am - 1:50 pm.' Not to sound redundant but, does the phone/location log know this because of the wifi connection?
What I am concerned most with is, all of my punch-ins for work are showing they were done from my home. I'm hoping to find a rock-solid way to orove that I was in fact at work when I was supposed to be. Would Sprint have any way of showing my locations at various times without me making any calls, sending any texts, or using any data? Do their towers have a constant lock on me and is there a log the can provide?
Thank you for reading through this long winded message. Desperate times call for desperate measures. I would greatly appreciate any help, advice, or ideas. Many, MANY, thanks in advance.
Mike~
hebejebe said:
Last week my employer began using isolved time tracker for our work group. We began using it on 9-21-15. On 9-30-15, it was brought to my attention that my 'punches' were being logged from non-work locations. I believe there is a flaw or defect in the mobile software but I'll forward those questions to the software company. One thing I was able to find in my defense was the Google location log on my phone. I know that these items can be edited. I'm afraid that the edit factor may not allow this log to help my case but it does bring some other questions into play. Im hoping someone here with a higher level of knowledge in the field can educate me.
First question-
My location setting is always on and the location method is set to wifi and networks. I do NOT use the GPS option. How does my phone plot my locations? For example, it shows me at my home address at 6:53 am and then my work address at 7:27 am. I assume it's going off my home wifi connection and then my work wifi once I arrive and connect. I also notice it will show a time of 7:27-8:59 at my office, and once I arrive at another work location (and I would assume), connect to work wifi, the next location appears in my location log at that particular time. So, if Im at building B from 11:15 until 1:50, my location will show 'building B 11:15 am - 1:50 pm.' Not to sound redundant but, does the phone/location log know this because of the wifi connection?
What I am concerned most with is, all of my punch-ins for work are showing they were done from my home. I'm hoping to find a rock-solid way to orove that I was in fact at work when I was supposed to be. Would Sprint have any way of showing my locations at various times without me making any calls, sending any texts, or using any data? Do their towers have a constant lock on me and is there a log the can provide?
Thank you for reading through this long winded message. Desperate times call for desperate measures. I would greatly appreciate any help, advice, or ideas. Many, MANY, thanks in advance.
Mike~
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If you were on location and your device connected to your work WiFi, your IT/IS Department should have logs of that connection, they may need your MAC address to verify, but that should be proof enough.