Samsung reportedly losing physical home button i think it should stay as its nice to have physical button what do you people think please vote it will be interesting what you guys and girls think
i would give up the menu button or any other physical button for onscreen buttons only if the bottom bezel is extremely thin, just like the side bezels. Unless otherwise its of no use. having a thick bezel at the bottom and onscreen menu on top of it is lame and a waste of screen space
Psychical buttons are one of the reasons why i bought Samsung phone. All other phones have onscreen buttons, i cant see them well, i cant feel them under my finger. Sony uses onscreen buttons but on their phones there is so much wasted space, on most phones that i saw it was so i didnt like them. I find great that S4 and S4A have psychical buttons, i really like them.
One of the most used things by me is menu button. I dont have to waste time to search those unituinitive 3 dots im just pressing hardware key. Much more often im using menu than switching between apps. For switching im using great app Swipe Home Button.
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If they remove the menu button they might as well remove the home and back button at the same time.
I like them but I wouldn't say no to a pair of stereo speakers on either side of the screen.
bala_gamer said:
i would give up the menu button or any other physical button for onscreen buttons only if the bottom bezel is extremely thin, just like the side bezels.
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I am may be the only one bothered by the return/back button. when I start or use the camera, I very often accidentally touch it with my "big" finger while adjusting/moving my hands position and that close the camera application . This a real pain and a design mistake.
The best about the sensorless buttons would be to make them customizable upon customer wishes and needs. That way everybody is happy, Ge and Sammy fans.
bala_gamer said:
i would give up the menu button or any other physical button for onscreen buttons only if the bottom bezel is extremely thin, just like the side bezels. Unless otherwise its of no use. having a thick bezel at the bottom and onscreen menu on top of it is lame and a waste of screen space
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It sounds great having thin top and bottom bezel. But when realize this, you will have bad time gaming..your palm will touch the screen you cannot rest your palm..
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Yes I still want dedicated menu, home and back buttons.
I'm sure the alternatives require taking up user screen space? Otherwise what's the point.
Our galaxy tab 2 doesn't have menu button and annoys me.
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For those who dont like physical keys just install 3 dot menu mod and cover buttons with duct tape. There you go nexus mod
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i hate the we could have a bigger screen if this wasn't there
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it seems a lot of people would like to keep menu button i hope it stays as i really like having the menu button its nice to have one physical button
They're removing it because it's a waste of space. The 3-dot overflow menu is always there. Why have a button that duplicates functionality?
As well, the menu button is unintuitive when there isn't actually a menu. The 3-dot overflow menu doesn't have this problem; it just disappears.
Changing it to a Recent App capacitive button adds functionality, since it's much faster than long-pressing, and much more intuitive to find. It also greatly increases how fast you can navigate your device, which is why Google implemented in their navigation bar.
Times are changing, and for the better. Keep up!
I originally had a Sony Xperia S but once they removed physical buttons from new models I went to Samsung.. I don't know what's the point of adding physical buttons to the screen.. It makes the bottom of your screen ugly black and wastes important space for nothing.. And the big problem is tapping it while you're driving or not looking at the screen, Just awful.. Don't do that Samsung !
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AnaMajhol said:
I originally had a Sony Xperia S but once they removed physical buttons from new models I went to Samsung.. I don't know what's the point of adding physical buttons to the screen.. It makes the bottom of your screen ugly black and wastes important space for nothing.. And the big problem is tapping it while you're driving or not looking at the screen, Just awful.. Don't do that Samsung !
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They didn't. They just swapped the menu button for Recent Apps.
AnaMajhol said:
I originally had a Sony Xperia S but once they removed physical buttons from new models I went to Samsung.. I don't know what's the point of adding physical buttons to the screen.. It makes the bottom of your screen ugly black and wastes important space for nothing.. And the big problem is tapping it while you're driving or not looking at the screen, Just awful.. Don't do that Samsung !
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You should asked Google that question. They designed Android and not Sony. Samsung is still living in the Gingerbread era, they should move with the times.
Is this thread talking about just the menu button? Or the physical home button? Or all the buttons at the bottom??? What I read is Samsung is replacing the menu button with the recent app button(which I find its way better as it really speeds up multitasking)... Not about removing the physical home button or all the buttons to become on screen buttons.
On a 5'' or bigger phone the menu button makes one hand handling easier!
Plain and simple. I am going to miss it.
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I want touch capacitive physical button. Like those used on HTC One but keeping the Samsung home menu back three button layout. That would be perfect for me, seriously.
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I am a heavy multitasker so the answer is easy ... menu button should have disappeared long ago ... and replaced with the recent apps button ... because long pressing the home button isn't very efficient and doesn't feel nice at all ...
As someone who has always used samsung devices it will be strange to not have a menu button
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My phone has a crack at the bottom of the screen and it has caused those 4 bottom buttons to not work. The back, home etc. buttons. Are there any custom ROMs or apps that will have the ability to do what these buttons do. The rest of the screen works. Thanks
Think i s launcher can help. Don't think the launcher buttons will show in full screen apps though
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There are apps on the market that can do this. I had one, look around on the play store. Its a little arrow, and you tap that for the four buttons. Or, in ics if you get technical you can enable them
Button Savior app works great. Thanks for your replies.
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My phone has a crack at the bottom of the screen and it has caused those 4 bottom buttons to not work. The back, home etc. buttons. Are there any custom ROMs or apps that will have the ability to do what these buttons do. The rest of the screen works. Thanks
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Just spoke with Samsung at 1-888-987-4357.
They will repair for $155.
Seems like the way to go if needing repair.
I love the fact that samsung continues to use hardware home button but dont like that they still use inflexible capacitive buttons. So whats the solution?
Well my solution is slightly pricier but I doubt it would raise costs too much. Instead of having capacitive buttons at each side of the home button, how about we have 2 tiny OLED screens? This way you could change the position of the buttons from left to right, you will be able to have a dynamic menu key so no need to have it all the time. You could have a dedicated search button if you want or a dedicated task switcher or nothing at all. We know an OLED screen consumes very insignificant power when displaying all black. Basically you will have a hardware home button AND the flexibility of on-screen buttons in one phone.
I would go with a back key on the left and would leave the right screen to dynamically display the menu button whenever needed. Basically everyone could have their own configuration how they see fit. Sounds like a great idea to me seriously but lets see others opinion.
PS: I posted the same topic in the nexus 4 forum but seems like not many people were interested in the discussion.
the hardware buttons always crash in 2 years.
my galaxy s ,s2......
realpg said:
the hardware buttons always crash in 2 years.
my galaxy s ,s2......
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The power button of a phone with no home button is also likely to crash earlier than for a phone with a home button.
I think 2 years is not a bad period to be honest...iPhone home button has a similar life so it just seems a technical limitation right now.
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It's a neat idea, but I don't think there are enough people who feel the need to customize the buttons for Samsung to bother.
Pretty useless to customize the buttons in my opinion.
I feel that once you get used to the configuration, it is one of the best combinations in phones.
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Pretty useless to customize the buttons in my opinion.
I feel that once you get used to the configuration, it is one of the best combinations in phones.
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I think we can all agree that there should be a dynamic menu button instead of a fixed one cant we? It still happens to me that an app has actions with the menu button and I never knew before because I never pressed the menu button. With a dynamic menu button that problem is gone.
I completely understand why samsung wont give a dedicated task switcher as accidentally pressing it can be quite annoying but really the fixed menu key needs to go.
What about the back button? If its displayed on-screen then it is capable of changing shape to tell you that your next press will exit the app. This is so helpful and only possible on-screen.
And secondly having a flexible button system can be really useful with an evolving OS like android. Who knows google might introduce another navigation button in the mix as all their phones use on-screen configurations.
I think it is a crime to put a hard home button on a top phone made in 2013. It's not 1995 anymore. Samsung insists on hard buttons just to make it easier for people coming from iPhone, which is an emberassment for the Android community.
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I think it is a crime to put a hard home button on a top phone made in 2013. It's not 1995 anymore. Samsung insists on hard buttons just to make it easier for people coming from iPhone, which is an emberassment for the Android community.
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Nope the love hard button.
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aydc said:
I think it is a crime to put a hard home button on a top phone made in 2013. It's not 1995 anymore. Samsung insists on hard buttons just to make it easier for people coming from iPhone, which is an emberassment for the Android community.
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My biggest issue with having just a single screen is that there is just no gap between the actual screen and navigation buttons. If you increase the gap then ofcourse it becomes a massive waste of screen. I believe google should switch to using a separate screen in the next nexus for navigation allowing for a bit of gap between the actual screen and buttons. Efficient use of space be damned there is a balance you gotta keep between that and practical usage.
I love the hard button. When I had the Moto Defy, sometimes my finger would slip and touch the home button (I have big hands). It angered the heck out of me.
I am so happy about this. Samsung was breaking my balls with this. Finally....
http://blogs.computerworld.com/android/23359/samsung-android-menu-button
Lol they can dump the rest of it......
why this good news i like the menu button
pnr2020 said:
why this good news i like the menu button
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The menu button is objectively... wrong!
The first relates to Samsung's decision to include the Menu button -- an element Google removed from the platform at the start of the 4.0 era. The old-style Menu button was eliminated for a specific reason: On button-free devices, a special onscreen icon signals the presence of functions related to the OS or to specific applications -- functions like accessing advanced settings in Gmail, requesting a desktop version of a website in Chrome, or viewing your list of installed apps in the Play Store. In Samsung's setup, there's nothing to let you know when those options are available unless you think to tap the Menu button at the right time.
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http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...iew_A_real_world_evaluation?pageNumber=2#goto
http://blogs.computerworld.com/smartphones/22921/7-silly-things-galaxy-note-3#buttons
To bad I liked the button to
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jastonas said:
I am so happy about this. Samsung was breaking my balls with this. Finally....
http://blogs.computerworld.com/android/23359/samsung-android-menu-button
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Not too bothered about the menu button, although obviously best Samsung move with the design of android. Would have rather they had changed the physical home button to a capacitive one. Although I dont see them changing that one anytime soon, because if they do that they might as well use on screen buttons, which would mean a slight decrease in screen size and perhaps the loss of their identity (as it would resemble a nexus/other brand phone).
I like the menu/back and the physical home button is one of the reasons i like them
each to there own and all that crap.
After my beloved HTC Incredible S, I vowed never to get another HTC as they had removed the menu button, leaving just 2 buttons.
First the incredibly useful search button gets removed off Android, now this.
If I wanted pretty much no buttons I'd go for an iPhone. But I don't - I want easy control over my phone and not having to rely on the touchscreen for every single command! :crying:
Yea, there's nothing wrong with that button. I like it!
Hardware menu button is logical and very intuitive. Instead of search and explore sometimes awkward interface, i can press menu button and get menu. Also, not every app looks good with always visible menu button. I'm using 3rd party dialer where only dial keyboard and call log/contacts are visible. Where to put menu button? Make whole bar just for this button? It's lame! And there are many other apps where on-screen menu button will look like 5th leg for dog.
I like present Samsung button layout and would like to have it in the future phones.
they should 100 % keep menu button its just nice having physical button will really miss it
they should keep the physical button i have no problem with it
I love the menu button!
My old HTC One S had a recent apps button instead of menu. All EVERY custom ROM ever did was remap it to menu! What I hope sammy does is ditch the physical home button and go metal!!
Actual buttons setup is very good (only difference from nexus is menu button instead of multitasking button). But multitasking is already accessible through home button (like in ios) and menu button is smart (don't have to search for the 3 dots). Removing it is a bad move, samsung would ditch one of its best intuition.
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Menu button is definitely needed especially on big screens because on screen menu button is at the top! I hope it stays on the future galaxy phones.
gsmyth said:
Not too bothered about the menu button, although obviously best Samsung move with the design of android. Would have rather they had changed the physical home button to a capacitive one. Although I dont see them changing that one anytime soon, because if they do that they might as well use on screen buttons, which would mean a slight decrease in screen size and perhaps the loss of their identity (as it would resemble a nexus/other brand phone).
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Actually physical home button is one of my favourite features on Samsung phones. It just makes it so easy to wake up the phone (yes - i'm left handed, so power button on the right side is not very comfortable for me!), but also to answer a call. Especially when using gloves and/or S View pouch that i have.
I will be ditching Samsung next year when I am due for upgrade. They should ditch their crapwiz as well.
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I will be ditching Samsung next year when I am due for upgrade. They should ditch their crapwiz as well.
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Now that they are changing touchwiz?
First of all...f*ck you Samsung!
There, I got it out of my system now..
I knew android had this button since always and I always used it since my first smartphone, the Galaxy S I9000.
I find the fact that they'll change it a horrible idea!
I hope the S5, Note 4 etc will keep the current design...
Even if they don't though, you can remap any key if you've rooted your phone and I'll make it again an options menu even if the icon shows otherwise.
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First of all...f*ck you Samsung!
There, I got it out of my system now..
I knew android had this button since always and I always used it since my first smartphone, the Galaxy S I9000.
I find the fact that they'll change it a horrible idea!
I hope the S5, Note 4 etc will keep the current design...
Even if they don't though, you can remap any key if you've rooted your phone and I'll make it again an options menu even if the icon shows otherwise.
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Google forced the menu button to be inside apps so having a hardware menu button is redundant. I prefer the button too, blame Google... No more menu button, no external sdcard support for Nexus...
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What do you think that is the best type of home button in a smart phone?
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What do you think that is the best type of home button in a smart phone?
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It is especially interesting to hear opinions of people that have used many sorts of home buttons.
For long time I thought that I would prefer capacitive home button over physical but I see a few advantages with physical:
- it is a safe spot to rest your thumb without accidentally pressing a capacitive button
- it is a faster way to switch power on from a sleeping phone than trying to find a power button from the side of the phone.
About virtual home key I really don't have experience, but as a prejudicious tought I dislike the fact that it eats pixels from the screen. I really don't see any other good reason for virtual keys than saving costs of capacitive keys. If there is such reasons, please share.
I've used them all. I hate physical buttons, so I use GMD gesture control on my s3.
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I've used them all. I hate physical buttons, so I use GMD gesture control on my s3.
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I can see GMD being better on a tablets.
But for the common 4-5" smartphone screen users most if not all functions are usually performed single handedly via the thumb, so something PIE CONTROLS would be a much easier method to execute commands requiring less than an inch of on screen GESTURES.
And since it also displays the time/date and battery life you also don't need to have a status bar take up the precious screen space.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jun.ace.piecontrol
I really like the capacitive home button on the HTC One X, but could also get accustomed to a virtual solution since it's way more flexible.
Especially using pie it seems to be a lot more space saving.
Capacitive, but I can use virtual also if the screen type != Amoled which thankfully is the case with Nexus 4/5. Wouldn't want a burn-in like the gnex.
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I can see GMD being better on a tablets.
But for the common 4-5" smartphone screen users most if not all functions are usually performed single handedly via the thumb, so something PIE CONTROLS would be a much easier method to execute commands requiring less than an inch of on screen GESTURES.
And since it also displays the time/date and battery life you also don't need to have a status bar take up the precious screen space.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jun.ace.piecontrol
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Thanks for the tip. I tried pie controls and it's pretty good, but I think I still prefer GMD. It has more options like turning off the screen or switching between apps. I usually use two hands on the phone anyways, though I could see it being useful if you had to use one hand.
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Thanks for the tip. I tried pie controls and it's pretty good, but I think I still prefer GMD. It has more options like turning off the screen or switching between apps. I usually use two hands on the phone anyways, though I could see it being useful if you had to use one hand.
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You can also use PGM2 AKA touch control app to turn screen off by swiping the very bottom of the screen from Left to right or viscera and turning screen on by swiping up from bottom of screen gesture like on BB10 devices or double tapping the screen like on the LG G2.
Pie controls also has recent apps button for switching between open apps.
Only time I use more than 1 finger is for certain games in landscape mode.
Even zooming in/out can be done using an app like:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kiumiu.ca.assistivezoom
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Is there any way to set the fingerprint button to behave like a capacitive button? I really just want to dab my finger on it and not have to depress, like the other two keys. I know the scanner registers contact but that click press it's really annoying when I just want the "desktop" etc. I think it would do wonders for the buttons longevity too... This may seem like a minor thing but it would really make the make the whole user interaction thing more standard. Having to big press one of three buttons is odd..
You can get a lot of apps that add "soft buttons" to your screen for things like Home. One that jumps to mind is called Button Savior.
That was my way of saying that, no, I don't think you can use that button without actually "clicking" it.
You could try the app called swype home button, just swype up from the screen just above it and itll take you home.
I completely agree with your desire here OP. Coming from an LG optimus G, I find myself gently tapping the button hoping for home.
As an alternative, I'd recommend the pie launcher app in the play store. No root required unless you want menu button functionality. Makes for a nice, easy to reach one handed set of on screen buttons that are only there when you need them, and you can use it as an app launcher too.
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Is there any way to set the fingerprint button to behave like a capacitive button? I really just want to dab my finger on it and not have to depress, like the other two keys. I know the scanner registers contact but that click press it's really annoying when I just want the "desktop" etc. I think it would do wonders for the buttons longevity too... This may seem like a minor thing but it would really make the make the whole user interaction thing more standard. Having to big press one of three buttons is odd..
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There has to be a way to do it because of the fingerprint sensor. I'm sure custom kernels soon will have this feature.
Bump any new ideas here?