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I Have noticed that when my device is showing 4 bars of 4g in the about phone section it shows the mobile network type as umts. With my nexus one and also with my Vibrant it would show up as hspa( which I believe is 3G) and also at times it would show up as hspa+(even though they obviously could not take advantage of the signal. With this phone which supposedly is 4g capable it is always showing umts. This does not like it is right. Is It the way that the this device software reads it? Does anyone have any insight on this or have experienced or experiencing the same situation? Any and all help and info is greatly appreciated as I am looking for reasons to keep this phone and am not trying to denigrate it. Thanks
I am having the same issue. Phone says UMTS as mobile network type but shows 4 bars of 4g.
Well what speeds are you getting. With my Nexus I never got over 2Mbs, and that was rare. Now I average 4-6. If you are getting better 4G speeds, I wouldn't worry about it.
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Well what speeds are you getting. With my Nexus I never got over 2Mbs, and that was rare. Now I average 4-6. If you are getting better 4G speeds, I wouldn't worry about it.
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only getting 1.2 Mbs tops. Average is less than 1. My Vibrant shows hspda and hspda+ and gets 1.5 and up in the same place. Both have been tried within seconds of each other. I contacted CS and immediately they said they would send out a replacement phone. This one has some issues but not as bad as some I have read on this forum. To receive the phone tomorrow.
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Well what speeds are you getting. With my Nexus I never got over 2Mbs, and that was rare. Now I average 4-6. If you are getting better 4G speeds, I wouldn't worry about it.
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I,m getting close to 4 down and about .5 up. I traded an sgs4g in at radioshack on their 30 day return policy and it was averaging about between 6 and 7 Mbps down in the same house. Im a super newb with this but that doesn't seem like it is right. I did just read that there is UMTS 4G.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-4g-umts.htm
Same thing on mine - 4G icon w/ 2-4 bars; network type shows UMTS.
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I,m getting close to 4 down and about .5 up. I traded an sgs4g in at radioshack on their 30 day return policy and it was averaging about between 6 and 7 Mbps down in the same house. Im a super newb with this but that doesn't seem like it is right. I did just read that there is UMTS 4G.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-4g-umts.htm
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Not nearly what i was getting. I think that the modem is only 14.4k because the tegra chip dont support the 21k modem that the sgs4g had but i didnt think i wouldn't still be able to get 6 or 7 Mbps Down.
Just curious of the mbps max our phone can handle
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14.4 megs downstream
Thanks but what's this I hear about 42mbps?
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TMobile has upgraded a few cities (and plans to upgrade more) to theoretical speeds of up to 42mbps. Since the radio in the g2x goes up to 14.4 this will have no impact on our phones. That said I've yet to see the phone that even hits 14mbps, so I don't really think having a radio capable of 42mbps would even really matter. I mean I've still yet to see the 14.4 radio that has actually pulled down a real world speed of 14.4mbps. I think all that stuff sounds great on paper but in real life odds are you won't see that speed.
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On wifi at home I get 20+ mbps download
I posted the following at the thread on 3g in the status....more appropiate here,so I duplicate it.
I have to put my two cents in on speeds.
I started (my smarty phone odyssey) on Metropcs in Feb....most speed test ever showed was like 1.6mbps...once. Mostly at 1.4-1.5. I was very unhappy with that. Between these speeds, battery issues, no support (from Samsung), I had enuff and went to Sprint. I saw around1.0 Mbps in the beginning. When I complained, they made an adjustment on their end amd it got worse! My average was .65 up and down. Then I went back to Metro. Seems they are suddenly having speed issues. Couldn't get more than about .80, with the same other issues as before. So I've purchased the G2x.
Got two yesterday!!
Both have bleed. Doesn't bother me as it is though. Just noticeable when screen is black. It IS bs, but not a dealbreaker, if it doesn't get worse.
I see people talking about speeds of 8 and 9Mbps and I say I'd be happy with a third of that.
Personally I don't think speedtest is accurate. But I never see that discussed.
T Mobile is supposed to activate these tomorrow. I'll post my speeds. If I get anything above 4.0, I'll be in heaven.
I have looked at youtube videos via wifi and am in awe of this device. Really smooth playback. Wow. Better than the Indulge AND the Evo IMO.
My new phone is supposed to activate tommorow. Can't wait
Oh and I'm in the Dallas market. I'm on top of DFW airport. Dallas is Metros home market so system is overall good here, but I'm in a bit of a dip so reception can be an issue in my home.
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On wifi at home I get 20+ mbps download
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I get similar numbers on wifi
highest I've ever actually speed-tested is ~21 Mbps down, ~5Mbps on wifi and ~9Mbps down, ~2Mbps up on H. I don't belive H+ is available in my area at this time (Indianapolis, IN).
http://www.tmonews.com/2011/05/t-mobile-announces-launch-of-hspa-42mbps-in-50-markets-rocket-3-0-available-may-25th/
With the recent news of TMO launching HSPA+ 42Mbps, wondering if anyone has noticed any sort of speed increase? Where I normally get about 1-2Mbps (at work), I'm hitting 4 1/2Mbps.
I did modify my build.prop to
ro.ril.hsdpa.category = 24
ro.ril.hsxpa = 2
Dont know if changing this made any difference
What the crap no Philadelphia? Philly was the first to have hspa+. This sux
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I don't know what some people do to get these crazy mbps speeds I sometimes see posted...I live in NYC, one of the first markets to get the 42mb bump - but I've never seen my data go above the 3 mbps range...fast enough to be functional, but I'd love to know what setup people are on to get these crazy speeds.
They already been testing HSPA+ Rv2 (42mbps link) in few areas but since we have 14.4mb cap on our device and IRL half of that speed you will see if your lucky in a good day.
Far as your setting goes in build.prop:
ro.ril.hsdpa.category = 24 <<< 42.2 Mbit/s
ro.ril.hsxpa=2 <<< HSDPA/HSUPA
Make sure you test it using all the radio as its area dependent. So based on your location you may see better signal (dBm+asu) than other locations and other users. But if you got around 4mbps its normal HSPA+ post speed on Rv1 (21mbps link). Even with Rv2 link you won't get speed increase as it can be just background overhaul. What you can however do is connect via WCDMA which would give you 0.3+% faster upload.
PS: Sup epsix.
Can the cap on our phones be removed or is our hardware incompatible?
I've hit more than 10mbps multiple times. That's in Vancouver Washington too.
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Can the cap on our phones be removed or is our hardware incompatible?
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I would also like to know this.
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Can the cap on our phones be removed or is our hardware incompatible?
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with in the build.prop lies a coding that will allow us to increase our data speeds but it will not do much. maybe .03% - .06% growth in speeds. It's hardware restricted. also it has alot to do with Bandwidth being using at the time, and that location. If i'm out at the Hofbrauhaus i can get wicked fast download speed from about 1am - 2am, but during the day it's easily a 1/3 of what i see at night.
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Can the cap on our phones be removed or is our hardware incompatible?
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Hardware standard. Hence the POS SamSUX Vibrant 4G? aka same Vibrant sold as "21mbps" but you will see no diff this is due to the current traffic and provision rate which is placed on each acc. Normally this is done though RAN, RADIUS, ect based profile.
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with in the build.prop lies a coding that will allow us to increase our data speeds but it will not do much. maybe .03% - .06% growth in speeds. It's hardware restricted. also it has alot to do with Bandwidth being using at the time, and that location. If i'm out at the Hofbrauhaus i can get wicked fast download speed from about 1am - 2am, but during the day it's easily a 1/3 of what i see at night.
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Correct. RadioROM, location, time, network load all plays in to it.
Its a good upgrade. With hspa+ 21 you can see 10mbps peak on a mt4g, averaging about 5-6. With 42, you can get 10 on average, peaking at 12.
I'm in midtown Manhattan at work, have 4 bars on H, and have gotten less than 1 mbps 3 speedtests in a row...a couple hours ago I got in the 2mbps range. It is the middle of the day, so I'm sure the network is clogged, but that is nowhere near 21 mbps, let alone 4-5.
As was said, I guess it really varies a lot throughout the day based on time, location, other factors etc.
I am in the middle of Chandler AZ with about 4-5 bars of H and I barely get over 2.5M down & 0.5M up... Running Virtuous Fusion ROM 1.0.5 and Radio 26.09.04.26... not seeing a great improvement yet...
Let me be clear so people can understand. Our MT4G has 14.4mbps hardware limit which you can't change by editing or even updating the radio framework. Now they can drop 100mbps links as it won't still matter. When they talk about revision link speed they mean for the towers as for overall thus network capacity is increased and more user is supported without crawling bandwidth bottleneck.
Now they have QoS based policies setup on the network to handle it along with standard user radius/ran profile which will simple if they wanted you would be set to 16kbps(2kB[8kbps=1kB]) since we using SI prefix. On top of that time/location/interference also plays factor.
Think of the pipe as the road. The car as the device and the jam is network overhaul capacity. Now it don't matter if you have the fastest car in the world if the road is small thus closing and slowing down the traffic to halt and causing jam. In sense you have to understand the network topology to move it accordingly. So making the road bigger (pipe revision layout exp: 42mbps) they can flow more but does not mean your car can go faster than the original engine.
Oh man up another 3 MBs now I'm up to 8 down 4 up
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Here is my recent test running stock rooted rom .30 radio build prop edit.
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But, the myTouch 4G has a hardware limit of 14.4 mb/s. The best thing we could get from this is that we hit peak speeds, but nothing more.
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I'm in midtown Manhattan at work, have 4 bars on H, and have gotten less than 1 mbps 3 speedtests in a row...a couple hours ago I got in the 2mbps range. It is the middle of the day, so I'm sure the network is clogged, but that is nowhere near 21 mbps, let alone 4-5.
As was said, I guess it really varies a lot throughout the day based on time, location, other factors etc.
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Just checked the article, but didnt even find new york city there. Its only launched in long island in ny. Speedtest.net results also confirm there is no improvement.
Ok, so i'm in Houston which is one of the cities and only see the normal 2-5 depending on the time of day. What do I need to do to see if i can get the faster download speeds? I saw the modification of the prop bld but than someone rambled on about how it may or may not help depending on "stuff that is way over my head". A clarification in laymen terms would be nice.
I have a Nexus 4 and am pondering if it is really worth buying a Nexus 5.
I do not want Nexus 6 when it comes out as those phones are getting tooo big. the Nexus 4/5 are my limits as far as size go.
So again, is it really worth it buying a Nexus 5?
Thanks all in advance.
Honestly,... With the release of partial L-release source in AOSP showing official support for nexus 4, I'd say no. Hang on to your money for now. See what Google has up their sleeves in 2015
If you game a lot, the nexus 4 will surely be sluggish compared to the Nexus 5. Besides that, nexus 5 will be future proof (at least for another year).
If you don't play games, I really don't see the need to switch. Sure, the nexus 4 is out of it's update cycle. But it still has a strong developer support so I'm pretty sure any new updates will be ported over!
I have a Nexus 4 still and see no reason to get a nexus 5. The nexus 6, following current trends, will probably be 5.2", so it shouldn't be in phablet territory. I only got mine in October in the sale though, so it would be too early for me to upgrade now anyway. Wait and see, the nexus 6 might even be 64 bit compatible.
I own both phones and the only big benefit is gaming. I wouldn't recommend upgrading if you don't game a lot. As others have said. Both are amazing phones
Yes
Kool, thanks for all your inputs! I think I will wait. But...I don't trust myself. If I visit a store and play with the Nexus 5 and like it, I might just impulsively buy it then n there.
Again, thanks for all your resonses.
If I had the nexus 4 I would wait for nexus 6 at least. It's not like the nexus 4 is slow yet.
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I have both. Yes in term of hardware 'upgrade' it is worth it. But it depends on your primary use of your N4. If you're into serious gaming, then you should. Otherwise, just hang to it until it 'die' of naturally.
I'm really happy with the N5 but if I had the N4, I wouldn't be able to justify the upgrade to myself.
If you can wait...
If you can wait maybe get a Moto X+1. But it will be a lottery because not much is known about this device (mainly the rumored specs) but judging by the Moto G and Moto X it could be very good.
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I have a Nexus 4 and am pondering if it is really worth buying a Nexus 5.
I do not want Nexus 6 when it comes out as those phones are getting tooo big. the Nexus 4/5 are my limits as far as size go.
So again, is it really worth it buying a Nexus 5?
Thanks all in advance.
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No one seems to have mentioned the biggest difference between the N4 and N5 -- LTE. The N4 does not support LTE, while the N5 does. In my opinion, that alone was worth the upgrade to the N5. But then I have solid and fast LTE on AT&T in and around the Los Angeles metro area. If you don't use data much, or don't have LTE service in your area, that won't matter as much. But for me, the LTE, in addition to the much faster quad-core processor, the N5 is a no-brainer upgrade over the N4.
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No one seems to have mentioned the biggest difference between the N4 and N5 -- LTE. The N4 does not support LTE, while the N5 does. In my opinion, that alone was worth the upgrade to the N5. But then I have solid and fast LTE on AT&T in and around the Los Angeles metro area. If you don't use data much, or don't have LTE service in your area, that won't matter as much. But for me, the LTE, in addition to the much faster quad-core processor, the N5 is a no-brainer upgrade over the N4.
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You have a good point there. Faster processor plus official LTE support. I have lots of LTE coverage (TMO) in my area and my Blackberry Z10,Q10 do get it. Good points and thank you also.
Anyway, I went to a TMO store, handled a Nexus 5, fell in love with it and ordered one from Google Play! I could not wait. I have started reviewing the Nexus 5 forums on XDA to prepare for arrival of my new Nexus 5.
My Nexus 4 will now become my "house phone" (using voip via csipsimple/pbxes/gvoice and/or Callcentric).
I have LTE most areas around me but not always strong. Even when it is I don't seem to notice a huge speed difference but I haven't really tested it side by side either.
That said I love my nexus and its the first android phone that my gf actually likes and considered getting one or a nexus 4. If you can afford a new nexus 5 though why not?
My house phone is a 4 year old HTC desire lol.
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Anyway, I went to a TMO store, handled a Nexus 5, fell in love with it and ordered one from Google Play! I could not wait. I have started reviewing the Nexus 5 forums on XDA to prepare for arrival of my new Nexus 5.
My Nexus 4 will now become my "house phone" (using voip via csipsimple/pbxes/gvoice and/or Callcentric).
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Love at first clutch. Welcome to the club :victory:
Wise move! Congratz and enjoy!!
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Love at first clutch. Welcome to the club :victory:
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Love at first clutch. lol. I keep chuckling over that one. haahaha
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I have LTE most areas around me but not always strong. Even when it is I don't seem to notice a huge speed difference but I haven't really tested it side by side either.
That said I love my nexus and its the first android phone that my gf actually likes and considered getting one or a nexus 4. If you can afford a new nexus 5 though why not?
My house phone is a 4 year old HTC desire lol.
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A little info regarding the LTE vs. HSPA speeds in different areas.
The actual LTE speeds you see on your device, even with strong signal, still depend on how much bandwidth the towers have available on their backhaul links. If your carrier has upgraded the towers to support LTE, but hasn't increased the backhaul links, you might be getting strong LTE signal but without a significant increase in bandwidth.
For comparison, in the Los Angeles area on the AT&T network (which is nearly 100% LTE upgraded, with enhanced backhaul links), while on HSPA+, I average between 6-8Mbps downlink speeds, and on LTE, I easily average between 20-30Mbps downlink speeds, depending on the area. It also depends on how many other LTE users there area on the network; in downtown LA, my speeds are around the 20Mbps speed, whereas in Irvine (Orange County), I get closer to the 30Mbps speed.
My neighbor, who is an AT&T network engineer, has told me that AT&T strives to deliver what they call the "80% backhaul" mark, which is to say that they like to have the backhaul to each tower delivering the bandwidth that 80% of the users on the tower are using 50% of the time (because not every user is using data simultaneously). This allows them to provide enough bandwidth for the majority of users without the cost of over-allocating too much bandwidth, and also allowing for 20% usage spikes. But it also means, that if you're in an area with relatively few LTE users, they may not have allocated enough bandwidth to the towers, meaning that just because your device can utilize higher-speed LTE, the towers simply don't have the bandwidth to give it to you.
Depending on the type of backhaul (copper, fiber optic, or satellite links) the carrier is using for the specific tower, it can be difficult to increase bandwidth. The newer fiber optic backhaul links are nice in that they allow the carrier to dynamically adjust the available bandwidth, in order to allocate more bandwidth as usage in an area rises, or reduce as usage drops. This is especially useful during sporting events, when a much higher percentage of users in small area will be using more data. But towers using copper or satellite (in rural areas) for backhaul don't necessarily have the ability to dynamically increase bandwidth. These towers are much more likely to have constrained bandwidth.
TLDR; Long story short, while there can be a significant difference between HSPA and LTE speeds, it's entirely dependent on the available bandwidth that the carrier has provided to the tower. Even with strong LTE signal, if the towers just don't have enough bandwidth, you'll still get HSPA-level speeds. But if the carrier's have upgraded the backhaul to provide additional bandwidth for the LTE devices, then you can get significantly faster speeds and lower latency with LTE compared to HSPA.
Good information to have. I am on Telus Mobility in Kingston Ontario Canada for what its worth.
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I'm in Chicago, and have noticed that I am barely averaging a single bar on LTE with my S6 edge, whereas my Nexus 5 was fine. I've read a couple of posts elsewhere complaining of similar issues on the Sprint site. Anyone else? Could this just be a firmware/radio problem? My PRL and profile are up to date.
I too am having troubles with my LTE signal on my edge. I also live in Chicago. I recently upgraded from an HTC one M8.
Same here switched from non spark s4 and notice slower speeds loading google maps and other apps
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I had the same issue. I was missing notifications called Sprint and did the ##72786# and things seem to be working better.
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I had the same issue. I was missing notifications called Sprint and did the ##72786# and things seem to be working better.
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I'll try that on my phone, I am experiencing the same thing in Milwaukee
Im having issues as well this is really pissing me off its an $850 phone for God's sake.
I guess it depends a lot on area. I live in SoCal, north Orange County to be more specific, and my LTE performance is way better than my Sprint GS4 in terms of speed, coverage, and stability.
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Each manufacturer uses the signal bars differently in terms of interpreting strength of signal. I would suggest downloading signal check pro and comparing.
That being said, the s6 is generally worse RF wise than the n5 and s5, which was known before hand. Not alot worse, but slightly. Typically about -5db
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Each manufacturer uses the signal bars differently in terms of interpreting strength of signal. I would suggest downloading signal check pro and comparing.
That being said, the s6 is generally worse RF wise than the n5 and s5, which was known before hand. Not alot worse, but slightly. Typically about -5db
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I upgraded from an m7 to the edge. In my zone my speeds increased from 6 to 22. Listen.. Hitting 4.0 or more on a torrent is worth it all. Also all the ladies love me now
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With my Sprint Galaxy S4 and Nexus 5 on AT&T, I never reached such speeds.
First run. Band 41 (Clearwire 2500 MHz).
I'm also getting 4G LTE in more places than before compared to the S4. For instance, I would always fall down to 3G inside a Costco in Garden Grove I go to. But yesterday, I was on Band 41 and the speed was good. Same for my front porch and inside my home - from 3G to 4G LTE on Band 41.
I don't know i try everything, reset the phone, clean cache, switch to lte/CDMA, updated prl and firmware, new provisioning, still lag in opening any data dependent app
Chicago area
No problems before on s3 s4 and s5 witch is also spark
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Same issue here in Miami, well similar. Some apps on Sprints Network take forever to load data, keep in mind it's only Apps. Like Google Music, Facebook, Instagram and a couple more. If I connect to WiFi it all works fast and information loads immediately. Once again on Sprints Network it loads and loads and loads you get the point....
The only thing that solves this issue is connecting through a VPN. When i'm on sprints network and on VPN it all works as it should. WTF Sprint.
I am constantly moving between 1 bar with spark, and 3G. I ran the speed test and don't even get near 1mbps. Last week my Galaxy s4 was at least 10 times faster than my s6 edge. hoping for updates that fix this.
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I am constantly moving between 1 bar with spark, and 3G. I ran the speed test and don't even get near 1mbps. Last week my Galaxy s4 was at least 10 times faster than my s6 edge. hoping for updates that fix this.
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Same here in Austin. My wife and I were sitting in the waiting room at the vet so our dog could get his checkup. I was trying to download a book on the Kindle app and had only 1 bar. I ran the speedtest app and was lucky to get a download speed of 100k. My wife has Sprint's GS5 and was showing 4 bars with Spark and getting 10Mbps on the Speedtest app. I had her turn her hotspot on and I connected via wifi. Then I thought, why doesn't the vet's office offer wifi since there always seems to be people waiting. Of course, it really wouldn't be an issue if my expensive new GS6 Edge worked just as well as the GS5. I really hope an update comes out soon that fixes it. Also sad that it suffers from the same 'you can't do data and voice at the same time' issue that the GS5 had.
Returned mine two phones, couldn't stand it .Called sprint they waived restocking fee .
I think you guys should start calling them the guy from tech support said they not aware of the issue.
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oh god I thought it was just me.
We finally got 4G LTE in Springfield, Illinois
my samsung galaxy s4 was working amazingly.
But now with this galaxy s6 edge I wait around longer than usual to load.
****ing sucks..
any ideas?
I usually check sensorly.com
My speeds are like a third of what they were with my s5
Frequently even less than that
Heck even texts take a long time to send
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