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Iv had this phone since the day it came out... this phone is awesome in every aspect expect GPS... I had the blackberry bold 9000 and that had an excellent GPS never gave me any issues I'm really thinking of trading my captivate for a torch 9800 ... what I want to know it that is there any hope for this GPS? And when should. We expect it
In a word No. This really seems like a hardware issue. otherwise this would have been taken care of in the subsequent updates. Cappy is a great device but the gps is very hit or miss. Line of sight is very important if that is lost gps loses fix. It seems like a hardware issue no matter what software fix or setting you can use.
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Am I the only one that believes it will with froyo? I'm not giving up!
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If you guys really want your gps to work there are a couple ways I have found to improve it greatly. This is as close to a fix as i can find out there, and I am somewhat happy with my gps now. I say somewhat because it really should have been totally fixed by now. I am running a i9000 rom with my lbstestmode setting stock except accuracy set to 250 which IMO only makes it lock faster and doesn't affect accuracy. I can usually get a lock accurate to 10-15 m in about 5 sec outside. Navigation tracks well I usually only have one or two hiccups on a 30 mile trip. I have been running this set up for about a month and a half so I am pretty sure it will stick. And btw my gps never got a lock stock no matter what I did if I wasn't using wireless networks. Hope this helps.
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I don't think its a hardware issue. I am in Canada and the GPs has been working pretty much flawlessly on the Rogers Captivate. You can see other threads and everyone who has had a Rogers Captivate and flashed other ROMS (ie. AT&T) has noted that their GPS turned to crap.
I have had this phone for a month and the GPS has been stable and I get an accurate reading down to (5-10m) in 10 seconds or so.
I believe that it is a driver issue and how it tries to communicate with the software on our phones. Sure each ROM means different software settings, which I think helps tweak the software to work a bit better with the driver, but until they fix the communication between the broadcom chip and Samsung's (or AT&T) software, it won't work like it is supposed to. Samsung so far has only tried to fix it in their software, not the driver.
This explanation also helps explain why some GPS's are better than others. No two phones have the exact same files and settings, even from stock, which can explain variance of GPS.
However, hasn't anyone else noticed that the more we move away from Samsung/AT&T software on our phones and unlock it, the better the GPS seems to get, little by little? I believe there will be no solution from Samsung, but it will just appear in the Dev section here one day, when one person stumbles upon the real communication culprit when messing around on their system.
On perception build three rom. Did juniper fix. I get a lock in under 10 seconds even with heavy cloud cover. Tracks very well too. It can be fixed. But you have to bee willing to mess around a bit.
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I'm with the OP. I love every single aspect of my phone except the GPS. I LOVE google maps and location based services on the phone. But having them all be crippled is a daily annoyance for me. One person mentioned that the Rogers Captivate works well. Has anyone tried loading a Rogers rom on an AT&T phone?
We all know that GPS issues have affected every initial launch variant of the Galaxy S phones. Is there any version of the phone out there that has gotten an update that fixed the GPS issue for EVERYONE, including TRACKING? If there is, we should be looking into that rom for a fix. If there isn't, I'd say we should be very concerend that a fix will never come.
The GPS will never ever work.
Really too bad for those out there that have GPS not working as expected...I wouldn't be happy either, but since I chgd the supl server to google I've had no problems obtaining a lock-accurate as well..
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In a word No. This really seems like a hardware issue. otherwise this would have been taken care of in the subsequent updates.
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You're making the giant false assumption that Samsung cares about updating.
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It's JUPITER, as in, the planet. I tend not to nitpick spelling or grammar but in this case it's really annoying as the first time I heard about this fix I wasted some time searching in vain for JUNIPER (which is a genus of plant), which produces no helpful hits.
I was a non-believer.... The best I ever got was on Stock JH7...
But My GPS is perfect and locks in under 3 seconds on google navigation and tracks perfectly with the Axura Rom.
Last one i tried beta4 worked perfectly. Gonna flash beta5 in the morning and test that out with a long drive tomorrow.
With Axura I have officially left eclair 2.1 in the dust and won't go back due to the over sophistication of Axura. I give it a week or two before it is clearly the most used rom on the Galaxy S line.
I will take a video of my gps and google nav with my wifes blackberry 9700 running os6.
I know my post is unbelievable.. just wait for the video footage.
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I will take a video of my gps and google nav with my wifes blackberry 9700 running os6.
I know my post is unbelievable.. just wait for the video footage.
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Anything that incorporates the Jupiter v006 files seems to have significantly improved GPS, including Axura (I'm not 100% sure it uses the Jupiter v006 files but it sure seems like it) and Perception.
I haven't really read of anyone having significant GPS problems once they have any ROM with the Jupiter v006 tweaks or applied it manually themselves, but we'll see as time goes on.
A couple days ago I was in Perception snooping around, and found a GPS settings file in the system that had different settings than in the Jupiter006 file. The Jupiter file was in there, but this file was named something different and a different location, and it used a different supl. I was looking for something else at the time, so I mentally noted it to go back and check it out for testing, but I can't find it now, I looked for it for an hour today. :/
Hmmm..... The GPS locking on is not the problem i get locks with in seconds , what is the problem is accuracy, the gps works NEARLY flawless in locking and accuracy when on a highway or interstate but when driving in the city were streets are close to each other my location jumps around like crazy, im using AXURA beta 5 and ive tried supl.google.com with no luck thanks for all your help everyone, ill look up the Jupiter fix and see if it helps ....I'm not to good with any tweaking other then flashing and lag fix's so if someone can lead me to a tutorial on the Jupiter fix that would really help
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Anything that incorporates the Jupiter v006 files seems to have significantly improved GPS, including Axura (I'm not 100% sure it uses the Jupiter v006 files but it sure seems like it) and Perception.
I haven't really read of anyone having significant GPS problems once they have any ROM with the Jupiter v006 tweaks or applied it manually themselves, but we'll see as time goes on.
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with perception 4 i had my worst gps problems. I have had good lock times with just about ever rom including stock but with perception 4 i had difficulty acquiring locks period.
Tracking is a bigger issue. I don't believe the gps will ever track perfectly or even close to the performance that it should. Someone claimed their device tracks perfectly with auxura which i haven't tried but will....but again i am skeptical and would be curious exactly how much real-time driving navigation they have tested.
Anytime someone brings up the notion of this being at least partially a hardware issue people say that it just speculation. Asserting that it isn't is no less speculation.
With some of the beastly devices coming (as soon as january...im looking at your terminator aka olympus) not address the serious gps flaw is not good business. So i believe if it could be fixed with firmware it would have been and you wouldn't hear them use words like OPTIMIZE instead of fix/repair. Am i the only one the thinks it seems they realized they can't fix it and are just trying to hold on and sell as many as they can (several places had them free with 2year contract yesterday and this weekend) before the next serious contender hits.
I really don't care for IOS but mapquest + wife's iphone 4 is a good example of how the gps on a phone can and should function in regard to locks and excellent tracking.
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would love to see this. please make sure to use a route with plenty of turns..and some portion of city navigation. I am skeptical that it will track you through every turn as a gps should. Straight line tracking isn't using a problem except for the occasional lag. The tracking problem is it has a serious issue being able to track you accurately enough to know when you had turned 50% or more of the time.
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just flashed axura 5 so will give it a brief nav test shortly.
The aesthetics of the settings menu is very nice in this build. I wish they would give up on 3d app drawer though UGLY and SLOW.
Haven't had much time to play with it yet but will report back.
limited testing but might have to eat crow.
FRESH FLASH of AXURA 5
only a 10 mile drive but did incorporated 12-15 turns.
Lock time and accuracy when stationary was great.
Best tracking and turn by turn navigation i have had yet.
Only missed one turn and it corrected itself to actual location much quicker (before when i would turn nav would continue through the intersection and start giving verbal reroutes thinking i was on a different street and then when it would finally think it had correctly re-rerouted it would actually be running parellel to me 1 or 2 blocks off).
Taking this with a grain of salt further testing necessary as i have had promising results with fresh flashed roms before only to have them quickly go to crap within a few days testing. But this is one of the more promising so i will be staying with Axura for now.
The only gps issue that really stood out was a little bit of a lag after you had been completely stationary. Slight Lag pinpointing me on road after i pulled out of driveway and same thing when leaving grocery store parking lot.
PS - are you using the stock gps settings that came with the flash or did you modify anything.
Now don’t laugh... It’s a valid question. I am all about speed. I have a 6 core CPU in my PC that is totally useless but makes me feel good. I get that.
But I honestly don’t see what I need faster network speeds on my phone for... Everything I do is fast. I am never like... "Come on load!!" on my phone... So why would I sacrifice battery life for internet speed I don’t use or need?
I understand if you are using your phone as a wireless hotspot you would want that speed. But what else? Can you guys even suggest things I could try on my phone that would make me want faster speeds? We don’t have Netflix yet but maybe that is one. But movies can buffer and from what I understand they will play smooth on 3G with no problems.
So what is it? You just want the speed because it’s there? Again if that’s it I get that!
But what are actually apps or usages that you can experience a difference. Because right now nothing I do seems to have a speed issue on 3G.
Let me follow that long winded post up with something straight to the point…
Seems like 99.9% of what I do on my phone is power critical (meaning I want to be able to do all of it as long as I can without charging) and not internet speed critical at all. So why would I ever turn 4G on?
Wow those facebook pics loaded in .2 seconds instead of .8 seconds. Good thing even though I’m only going to be able to browse facebook for 2.5 hours instead of 8 to get that difference!
I am also interested to see in what people can make up.
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Well I live in the middle of no where and can't get good internet so I will be using 4G LTE to tether as soon as the towers are put up which should be soon since it's announced.
That's cool and is a valid reason. But will still be a total pain in the ass. You will soon just want a 4G usb aircard or seperate MIFI device... Trying to use your phone as your sole internet connection sucks.
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I'd like to try to use 4G as much as I can because I am using the TB as a videophone so I can talk with my Deaf clients and also be able to access sign language interpreters while placing phone calls to hard of hearing clients and hearing vendors. The minimum requirement I found for smooth video and audio seems to be two signal bars in 3G. 4G or at least two WiFi "waves" is preferred.
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Tethering with 4g is awesome when you cant get on wifi.
Video playback on 4g is fast and you can also watch higher quality videos.
Downloading apps and whatnot is lightning fast.
I have had pda type phones for the last 8 years, the thunder bolt speed is awesome.
That being said..
Dont be a moron and leave the 4g on if you dont care about 4g speeds. Save your fricking battery and turn 4g off.
Latency seems better overall on LTE versus the normal 3G CDMA, which means something if you care about how fast you get your data from the internet.
On an unrelated note, I would love to have a 6 core cpu, so I could use the extra cores for virtual machines or compiling and the rest for normal stuff, so there are indeed uses for things that seems "useless."
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I just had a lol moment..
I thought i might try and run vm server and load up 2008 server and a vm client machine.
FYI dont do what i did.. Load it up on a laptop with only 4gb of ram and a slow 5400rpm hard drive.
Just in case everyone forgot. Come may 15th wireless tether will be a payer and tiered feature. When your using 4g on your computer you will use that up real quick. Unless you use wireless tether for root users but that is becoming somewhat of a risk nowadays since Verizon isn't raking in enough money yet.
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Hulu. Watching all youtube vids in HD. Open up future video streaming apps. Online multiplayer games. It's not just a speed increase but you will also get voice and data the same time. I don't have a desktop computer at home so I do all my computer needs on my cellular. 85% of the things I do on my phone is data related. Also if you think about it whenever verizon gets all the bugs out on there 4G network it could save on battery life. Now hear me out I think the lesser time your downloading or uploading the less strain it will be on your battery. As opposed to same processing but slower speeds meaning more time consuming battery (longer download and upload time) because that's what is really killing the battery is battery consumption via data. Idk just thinking.
Same as above
I watch YouTube vids in high quality mode all the time. Virtually impossible without 4g.
Also Google maps loads way quick... Which is the one thing I hate waiting on.
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Sling Player Mobile...
SlingBox over 4G is awesome...
So clear, so good...
(i took the picture while it was transitioning to another scene...)
Not to be a jerk or anything but I watch YouTube videos in HD on 3g. I get 2.5kb down and can watch entire videos without a hitch.
Although an entire hulu video may be a different story. I am able to watch entire hockey games in high quality with the nhl app.
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I can do hq youtube on 3g with no problems. I love the 4g when I am using the slingbox though. I could never put it in hq over 3g so that is nice. I also download all my cds right from my phone so its nice to have them in 2 min instead of 20.
Also streaming music from the amazon cloud is much nicer on 4g
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I get voice and data at the same time in a 3G or 4G area with the TBolt...
Does not matter...
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I get voice and data at the same time in a 3G or 4G area with the TBolt...
Does not matter...
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Same. With how the phone is built you can talk and surf in 3g or 4g on this phone. Its one of the TB's major plusses.
It's probably just me, but I find it funny that you guys all can do things immediately on 3g, I find major waiting times. Even in the best signal places where I get 1-2mbps down I still have to wait 5-20 seconds for my droid 2 global to load a page, it is a pain.
For example, right now I am in my dorm in Burlington, VT, my phone has a signal between -68 and 70dbm at 0 asu, and the current speedtest.net app shows .65-.7mbps down and .63-.65 up. Not great speeds, but within what 3g is supposed to be, and if I want to watch a high quality youtube video, I go to the youtube app, count that it takes 14 seconds to load, I am doing this right now. Click the new ray william johnson video, and it takes 24 seconds to start, then 1:02 into the video it freezes for 43 more seconds. At this point I deem 3g unuseable for youtube videos. When I am getting super awesome over 1mbps speeds then I usually only wait 5-10 seconds and it doesn't freeze, usually, but still 3g can very often and for a large number of people be slow. Similarly web pages take a while to load too, I mean sure if I load the mobile version of a webpage it is fairly fast, 4-5 second waits usually, but for those sites without mobile pages or where mobile pages are too limiting, it can take forever to load, I constantly have to look away from my phone for 20 or more seconds then look back to still see it loading. I imagine 4g would run at a minimum of 3mbps even if it was way way over used and signal was bad, so for me that is why 4g makes sense.
Also the thunderbolt is the first 4g lte phone for verizon, clearly there are still issues to work out and battery useage can be made significantly better, I don't see the current power use of 4g as an indicator of power use a year or 2 down the line.
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... since Verizon isn't raking in enough money yet.
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I lol'd hard ... also no 3G here yet
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Now don’t laugh... It’s a valid question. I am all about speed. I have a 6 core CPU in my PC that is totally useless but makes me feel good. I get that.
But I honestly don’t see what I need faster network speeds on my phone for... Everything I do is fast. I am never like... "Come on load!!" on my phone... So why would I sacrifice battery life for internet speed I don’t use or need?
I understand if you are using your phone as a wireless hotspot you would want that speed. But what else? Can you guys even suggest things I could try on my phone that would make me want faster speeds? We don’t have Netflix yet but maybe that is one. But movies can buffer and from what I understand they will play smooth on 3G with no problems.
So what is it? You just want the speed because it’s there? Again if that’s it I get that!
But what are actually apps or usages that you can experience a difference. Because right now nothing I do seems to have a speed issue on 3G.
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I asked this same question once and got ridiculed for it. I think perhaps in the future we'll need more speed on our cell network but right now I get all the speed I need off of wifi at work or home. I would love to see some innovations in faster processors without compromising any battery life. Or I'd love to see them develop better batteries. I like 4G but I hope we see faster phones with better batteries before anyone even mentions 5G.
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Don’t say YouTube or blockbuster because both of those stream completely smooth at highest quality on 3G. Don’t say downloading apps as apps for these phones are so small they are are still downloadable in under a min on 1x. Don’t say uploading pics to facebook as that is very fast on 1x too.
Come on... No BS! No crazy hypothetical’s... We all do the same stuff all day, we browse facebook, we check email, we send text messages, and we download apps...
I understand this kind of thing in the PC world were speed is the only factor. But here it’s not. We are talking about downloading an ap in 20 seconds as opposed to 50 seconds... yet it costs you 3 hours of battery life to leave your phone in 4g to do it....
I just don’t understand.... Can someone please explain it to me? I don’t see any possible explanation.. Just give me one single valid usage example...!
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Don’t say YouTube or blockbuster because both of those stream completely smooth at highest quality on 3G. Don’t say downloading apps as apps for these phones are so small they are are still downloadable in under a min on 1x. Don’t say uploading pics to facebook as that is very fast on 1x too.
Come on... No BS! No crazy hypothetical’s... We all do the same stuff all day, we browse facebook, we check email, we send text messages, and we download apps...
I understand this kind of thing in the PC world were speed is the only factor. But here it’s not. We are talking about downloading an ap in 20 seconds as opposed to 50 seconds... yet it costs you 3 hours of battery life to leave your phone in 4g to do it....
I just don’t understand.... Can someone please explain it to me? I don’t see any possible explanation.. Just give me one single valid usage example...!
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I do agree you could do most of what you do on 4g on 3g easily and I could live with 3g. I really don't know why you are in love with 1x, I could not stand 1x, webpages took over a minute to download. Please stop praising 1x, I do agree 3g is plenty fast for everyday task. I am not sure about streaming HQ on 3g, verizon 3g is pretty damn slow when everyone is on it, unless you live in a small city.
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I do agree you could do most of what you do on 4g on 3g easily and I could live with 3g. I really don't know why you are in love with 1x, I could not stand 1x, webpages took over a minute to download. Please stop praising 1x, I do agree 3g is plenty fast for everyday task.
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I’m only praising 1X because of what it can teach us.. And really… some Webpages took over a min to load on 1x..? I find that not believable. What webpages? 1x is still like 1mbps... I don’t know of really any webpage that would take that long to load at that speed.
This brings me back to my point. These are still f'ing phones!! Howe many of you are farmers out in the middle of fields trying to pull up NASA Auto CAD files on your Thunderbolts?!!?
Almost all of us have computers on networks all around us.. I really can’t think of ANYTHING we could possible need to do on these phones that 3G is not fast enough for (let alone 1x)...
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I do agree you could do most of what you do on 4g on 3g easily and I could live with 3g. I really don't know why you are in love with 1x, I could not stand 1x, webpages took over a minute to download. Please stop praising 1x, I do agree 3g is plenty fast for everyday task. I am not sure about streaming HQ on 3g, verizon 3g is pretty damn slow when everyone is on it, unless you live in a small city.
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Hey not so fast, I'm in a city of 50k people, that counts as pretty small, and I get crappy speeds too, youtube is not fast for me at all, takes over 30 seconds to start a video, and it needs to stop to buffer every 40-60 seconds usually, and web pages that aren't mobile take 10-20 seconds to load plenty of the time even inf full strong signal places, I'm talking like -54 to -58dbm places. I see a ton of people saying pages load instantly for them and that youtube high quality videos play instantly and never need to buffer, but it's not the case for me, and I know others with the same issue, clearly 3g is not universally fast enough for these basic tasks and to call those reasons bs is just ignorant.
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I’m only praising 1X because of what it can teach us.. And really… some Webpages took over a min to load on 1x..? I find that not believable. What webpages? 1x is still like 1mbps... I don’t know of really any webpage that would take that long to load at that speed.
This brings me back to my point. These are still f'ing phones!! Howe many of you are farmers out in the middle of fields trying to pull up NASA Auto CAD files on your Thunderbolts?!!?
Almost all of us have computers on networks all around us.. I really can’t think of ANYTHING we could possible need to do on these phones that 3G is not fast enough for (let alone 1x)...
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1x is actually limited to about 144kbps up and down I believe. Go to the 1x speed test forums from people stuck on it and see for yourself, no clue where in your imaginary world 1x is 1mbps.
Try loading www.adovcate.com and tell me how long it takes you, I just did and it took 59 seconds to get to it having enough to be useable and another 10-12 seconds to fully download. I just did a speed test and has .74mbps down, which is within verizon's claims of 600kbps-1400kbps for 3g down speeds, fully acceptable. Now tell me how amazing 3G is if I am running at 3g speeds and it takes over 1 minute to load a simple webpage that takes firefox on my dorm internet 3 seconds?
Why do we need 1GB of ram? Dual Cores? These types of questions have been asked for centuries. The answer to all of them, because you should! I like having the extra speed on the task that I do on my phone on a daily bases. Browsing the net is faster, downloads are faster, buffering time is lower.
It's a new technology, and I think people are expecting too much in terms of battery life. It's a 1st generation LTE device, where not only is the technology on the phone new, but the network is relatively small. It was like EV-DO devices, you didn't really need them at the time. Their battery life was horrible when it was constantly searching for signal that you probably didn't use.
I don't really understand why anyone would buy a 4g device, then question the necessity of it. You can do everything on 1x, EV-DO, and LTE just the same as they all lead you to the same place. However, how much longer will each take?
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1x is actually limited to about 144kbps up and down I believe. Go to the 1x speed test forums from people stuck on it and see for yourself, no clue where in your imaginary world 1x is 1mbps.
Try loading www.adovcate.com and tell me how long it takes you, I just did and it took 59 seconds to get to it having enough to be useable and another 10-12 seconds to fully download. I just did a speed test and has .74mbps down, which is within verizon's claims of 600kbps-1400kbps for 3g down speeds, fully acceptable. Now tell me how amazing 3G is if I am running at 3g speeds and it takes over 1 minute to load a simple webpage that takes firefox on my dorm internet 3 seconds?
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Dude I dont know what you are talking about.. I'm on 3G and just wnt to that site and it took 8 seconds to load...!
And thats not a lie... push me on it and I will do a video showing that. You are nuts or have a really messed up phone.
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Dude I dont know what you are talking about.. I'm on 3G and just wnt to that site and it took 8 seconds to load...!
And thats not a lie... push me on it and I will do a video showing that. You are nuts or have a really messed up phone.
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Weird, I am on my phone now on xda and even the forum takes 15 to 40 seconds to load a page, and that's time with the up and down arrows on 3g lit, the advocate site was mostly time with the browser sitting saying it is loading and not doing anything but still 20 or 30 seconds was active downloading. Not sure why it is so much faster for you on your phone than on my droid 2 global but I don't think my phone is messed up and even if it was there is no way to prove or verify that it is, verizon people would laugh me out of the store.
4g allows simultaneous voice and data
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4g allows simultaneous voice and data
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That is done on the 3G network, nothing to do with lte
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That is done on the 3G network, nothing to do with lte
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Yep. It's done 3g via rev. A and rev. B bands
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Dude I dont know what you are talking about.. I'm on 3G and just wnt to that site and it took 8 seconds to load...!
And thats not a lie... push me on it and I will do a video showing that. You are nuts or have a really messed up phone.
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Took me 7 seconds on 3g but I think he misspelled it. So I did advocate.com instead of adovcate.com and the page had alot more data to load but still completely loaded in about 17 seconds (cm7 stock browser)
Edit: Said he had .74mbps speed so maybe that's the factor there as I am getting 2.3mbps on 3g.
And for the original question, .....I am very impatient. When I hit enter I want it done. Try eating ice cream but make yourself take a minute before the spoon gets to your mouth.
3G is plenty fast no doubt, but faster is better.
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1x is actually limited to about 144kbps up and down I believe. Go to the 1x speed test forums from people stuck on it and see for yourself, no clue where in your imaginary world 1x is 1mbps.
Try loading www.adovcate.com and tell me how long it takes you, I just did and it took 59 seconds to get to it having enough to be useable and another 10-12 seconds to fully download. I just did a speed test and has .74mbps down, which is within verizon's claims of 600kbps-1400kbps for 3g down speeds, fully acceptable. Now tell me how amazing 3G is if I am running at 3g speeds and it takes over 1 minute to load a simple webpage that takes firefox on my dorm internet 3 seconds?
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It took me 7 seconds to load this website completely on 3g.nn
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Oops website was misspelled.. advocate.com took 17 seconds to completely load using Dolphin beta...
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3g is fine for me but 1x is too slow. 4g is much faster but until they solve the battery drain issue, I will be on 3g most of the time.
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Am I the only one sick of these threads? 4G if awesome because I can watch sling box in full hq without any buffering times and download full movies to my phone in minutes instead of hours.
Those saying they dont need 4g, go back to your pentium 2 processor with 128mbs of ram and tell me why you like multiple core cpus and triple channel ram...
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I’m only praising 1X because of what it can teach us.. And really… some Webpages took over a min to load on 1x..? I find that not believable. What webpages? 1x is still like 1mbps... I don’t know of really any webpage that would take that long to load at that speed.
This brings me back to my point. These are still f'ing phones!! Howe many of you are farmers out in the middle of fields trying to pull up NASA Auto CAD files on your Thunderbolts?!!?
Almost all of us have computers on networks all around us.. I really can’t think of ANYTHING we could possible need to do on these phones that 3G is not fast enough for (let alone 1x)...
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Sorry but your being unreasonable and only considering your personal habits apply to everyone else in the nation. You must be the lucky top 1 percent of the top 1 percent for 1X speeds because I couldn't get anything done on that slow junk. Not to mention for me 1X was going in and out, the network was in bad shape.
For those in the big city like myself, we were like 10,000 pigs fighting to get fed by one skinny momma pig.
Anyone smell a troll in the room?
I was trying to refrain from cutting down Verizon and giving them a hard time (this is my first post to actually give my opinion on the situation) but your post makes me want to let Verizon know this is in no way acceptable. I asked Verizon if I could go back to old 3g via 778 and their response was no don't it will mess up authentication on your phone....so they wanted me to stay on slow 1X, according to Verizon's rules, protocol or whatever we were all to stay on 1X.
This is XDA FYI
Just wondering, are you affiliated with Verizon?
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Am I the only one sick of these threads? 4G if awesome because I can watch sling box in full hq without any buffering times and download full movies to my phone in minutes instead of hours.
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I've watched both NHL Gamecenter Live and MLB At Bat games on both 3g and 4g and it's not even remotely close to the amount of latency I get on 3g vs 4g. I can stream an entire game on LTE without so much a hiccup vs on 3g where the game will basically scramble the image and put it back together pixel by pixel until it ends up freezing and I have to restart the stream.
Now that LTE is in the two places I am at the most (Philadelphia and the Lehigh Valley) it's no contest. I even have my Bolt in LTE Mode and if I don't have LTE I switch it up to wifi. Both are going to trump 3g speeds a majority of the time (at least where I'm at.)
If I wanted to stay on 3g I would've kept my X (and I loved that phone.) It's all about moving forward.
Oh God please tell me this is all a joke right?
There is no way you can be even satisfied with 2.3Down as a high average when Mine and many others High average is 14 or 15Down. I understand if your not in a LTE then Im sorry but... Youtube on HQ does not load even close to as fast on ANY 3G Network, on LTE I have never had to wait for a buffer.
Downloading MP3 in 2-3 seconds. When I was forced to use 3G yesterday took up to a minute on some songs, Songs now a days are 8-13mb because of increased quality.
Even daily usage, like going to webpages is faster, because... the internet is just faster. Especially flash websites, and watching embedded Flash videos. It used to be so bad that I would never show my phones ability to do embedded video, now that LTE can load a youtube video as fast as, if not faster, than WIFI... yeah I show it of a little.
Tethering, I cannot tell you how many times I have let people use my phones internet because UCF's Wifi was down, or they got poor signal or whatever... Even in my own house I have had to do this a couple times.
Beacuase everything is faster, you use more mb's. This first month, since april 3, I have used 6.7GB's tethering only at school or home for low mb usage. Most of the usage has been downloading mixtapes and stuff since I use the phone as my music player. Youtube also because it loads so fast I have used a lot as well.
Long story short: I was stuck on 3G yesterday, and not just tethering, but EVERYTHING was noticeably slower even opening fb, and I would NOT say that is acceptable in this day and Age, there is no defense for 3G or any 3G only-phone coming out, sorry Inc2. Until yesterday morning I forgot about 1X, Im trying to keep it forgotten!
If you raise the bar you raise the standards.
Howdy all?
I don't know WHAT I was thinking but on impulse bought the LG Revolution last night. It's a decent and I do want to emphasize just decent, however it has an AMAZING GPS capability.
Well I am going to right my wrong and get the Charge, hence how is the GPS on it in comparison? I need a device that locks fast and can get below 20 meters (long story with crap phone at AT&T)!
Any guidance/perspective would be appreciated.
Angieutc
gps is great. Locks quickly. Much better than the fasciante was. I wouldnt regret buying the revo...its a great phone too.
Doesn't the Revo have Bing by default for search engine? I thought about getting the Revo but I hate Bing.
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Doesn't the Revo have Bing by default for search engine? I thought about getting the Revo but I hate Bing.
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Exactly why I am taking it back. I did not know how deeply intergrated bing was into the phone. I thought it was just to higlight the search engine.
Plus there is not excitement about the phone. Verizon reps weren't excited to talk about it and there is not support on XDA.
On thing -- GPS and call quality were some of the best i have had on a phone.
I made a mistake and thankful I can fix it within my 14 day period.
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Doesn't the Revo have Bing by default for search engine? I thought about getting the Revo but I hate Bing.
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Easily removed.
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Easily removed.
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True. However, I would feel better with a Samsung or HTC model. Something is nagging in my mind that I would regret the LG purchase down the line. Just a feeling.
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On thing -- GPS and call quality were some of the best i have had on a phone.
I made a mistake and thankful I can fix it within my 14 day period.
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I think you will maybe regret making the change. There WILL be roms, with debloat. And make the phone what it should be.
GPS on the Charge is okay. Doesn't lock nearly as fast as other Moto devices that I have had.
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Gps rocks under 5 meter accuracy and fast lock times. Way better than the captivate I used to own
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im very unimpressed by ALL of its wireless network capabilities, the gps can take minutes to lock on its fairly accurate but sometimes i'll go threw 2 songs and pass 4 exits before it locks and i find out im going the wrong way. on top of that i had the HTC TB and it had great 4G signal all around my area but my charge is maybe 1/2 to 3/4 as strong in the same places, also the bluetooth will NOT stay connected to anything which is a HUGE problem at least for me because i have a tablet and the entire reason i bought the charge was for th 4g hotspot to share with my transformer but as of right now that is nothing more than a pipe dream. I'm hoping that some of these issues will be ironed out because i can't take this phone back now and i have to wait for something newer to come out.
sadly i'm slightly disappointed in this phone so far but i do understand that in time problems will be addressed.
as far as another phone to get its hard to suggest ANY of verizons 4G phones as they all kinda suck....
So far, the GPS on my Charge has been awful. I love the phone to death, but every time I try to use the GPS, it just laaaags. Doesn't matter what program I'm using to access the GPS.
Thankfully, there are very few reasons I need GPS and most of those reasons, I really don't need GPS, I just need a location, which I can get with cell tower triangulation or whatever.
...Ok, I just opened my phone, flipped on GPS, opened Google maps and it is working perfectly. Eh... so I guess I'll amend "awful" to "spotty with a chance of awesome."
The GPS in my Charge works. It is not nearly as fast as my Droid X was, and it struggles to get a lock indoors, but I only rely on it for 1 app and can make do.
My DX would have a lock within 2 seconds max, and the Charge will take up to 10 seconds for an initial lock. That being said, I have not experienced any latency/accuracy issues once locked on to 5+ satellites.
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GPS has been terrible for me. I have had to use additional testing apps to get it to lock at all on occasion and it has been slow in those instance. Prior to EE4 it was excellent, but since it has been horrible.
My GPS completely blows, just like the Fascinate.
For those with the GPS issues, download GPS Test by Chartcross and fire that up one time. It should get a signal within 15 seconds. After opening that one time, my other GPS apps lock a signal very quickly.
It sounds strange but that solved my GPS issues...
robstamack said:
For those with the GPS issues, download GPS Test by Chartcross and fire that up one time. It should get a signal within 15 seconds. After opening that one time, my other GPS apps lock a signal very quickly.
It sounds strange but that solved my GPS issues...
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I have taken to using that app as well. For me it means the difference between not being able to lock and being able to lock in a minute or three. Now, I have taken to modifying my gps.conf .. so we'll see how that goes.
My wife's takes literally over five minutes to lock the first use each day or so, but sped up with a the testing app. It seems like Samsung has issues with pull GPS data off the net/cell towers to speed the initial connection. Just a theory.
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My GPS has also been very awful since ive gotten my charge last week. It takes forever to lock and mostly it doesn't even lock accurately on my location kinda disappointing coming from a BB that locks on almost instantly on my exact location.
I remember it working real well but then yesterday I went to use Navigation and got nothing. Since then I've tried to clear the DV cache, clear the GPS data, reinstall Maps. Nothing has worked. Through the testing apps, I can see it is getting some gps signal but they are mostly weak and it never locks on to anything. I am thinking about wiping my phone to see if maybe that will do the trick. Might be a good time to start getting into Roms.
I've only used mine twice, but it seems to consistently position me about .25 to .5mi away to the south from my actual location. (Both times I was using it indoors.)
Well, I took my phone to Europe with me for our extended vacation over here. Using modified stock on v21y baseband and the GPS locks have been terrible. In fact, I Bly use google maps and four square when I am on wifi. Any hints? I am using gps status but it doesn't seem to help. Occasionally a reboot helps. This phone is broken...it was. Broken and will remain broken. I wil never buy LG again.
What ROM and kernel are you using. Because I'm on cm7 rc3 and the GPS lock is almost instantaneous. I'm in US though.
March 2012 baseband also.
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I had the same issue in Europe. This isn't a fix, but it helped:
You'll need a root enabled file explorer. I like ES File Explorer because it's free and easy to use. Access the root directory, go to system->etc->gps.conf
modify the line reading SUPL_HOST=lbs.geo.t-mobile.com to read SUPL_HOST=supl.google.com
and SUPL_PORT=7275 to SUPL_PORT=7276
you can also try getting a lock with GPS Test first. That seemed to help things as well. I don't always get a lock now, but sometimes I do, that's certainly better than never.
You didn't say whether whether you have data access away from wifi and, if so, whether you're using data roaming or a local SIM. If you don't have data access, locks will take several minutes because you won't have access to AGPS, so the GPS is essentially doing a cold start each time and has to get the ephemeris data from the satellites, which takes a long time. Assuming you do have data access, changing the SUPL server, as mentioned (or by using the hidden menu), from T-Mobile to Google may very well help.
Thanks
I am, in fact, not paying for europeandataand need to be patient. I will try the server change and see if it helps. I guess this was a matter of not understanding how GPS works.
Time delay and phase difference measurements from 4 satellites (3 in some circumstances).
Everything from atmospheric propagation rates to space/time variances due to gravity differences are taken into account.
I don't think that GPS is given enough credit for how amazing it really is.
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Time delay and phase difference measurements from 4 satellites (3 in some circumstances).
Everything from atmospheric propagation rates to space/time variances due to gravity differences are taken into account.
I don't think that GPS is given enough credit for how amazing it really is.
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I live in California and had a terrible time with the GPS in Rhode Island last year... and I did have data. I found the GPS to either work very well, or not at all when I need it to. With the latest baseband, it seems to work 2/3 times, with one time requiring a reboot or disabling and re-enabling GPS before I can get a lock. I've never been able to use my g2x to get me somewhere without having to worry about it leaving me stranded. :-(
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The big issue is that in most android phones, a lot of the decision making for how the GPS system works is left up to the operating system.
This means you have drivers and compatibility issues to deal with.
What I would prefer to see is a dedicated GPS system in the phone the simply passes nema data to a serial port with some medium level access to functions available to the os.
This would would use more power and take up more space.... but my motto is function over form. If it doesn't work correctly then who cares if it looks good.
Would you really care if your phone was half again as think if the battery life was 2x, you almost always had a perfect signal, and GPS/Bluetooth/Wi-Fi/encryption worked 100% of the time.
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I use the GPS of the phone nearly every day to track my workouts, and have been doing so for over a year now.
Although not perfect, the new Baseband *does* appear to help things quite a bit.
On the OLD Baseband, I noticed a few bad things would happen:
1) Locks would take a LONG time, over 5 minutes usually.
2) If if didn't lock in 5 minutes, it would rarely ever lock unless you reboot.
3) During runtime, if I lost mobile connectivity, and then came back into range, 80%+ of the time, it would knock my GPS off, and relocking was nearly impossible without rebooting.
On the NEW Baseband with the newest CM7:
1) Locks generally happen much much faster, usually within 15-30 seconds.
2) On the rare occasional case where it doesn't lock, a reboot *always* fixes it, and generates a lock instantly after the reboot.
3) I never lose GPS during runtime, regardless of my mobile connectivity coming in and out.
Personally, I am reasonably happy with the new Baseband with CM7 for GPS, and although not perfect, I think it is the best we can hope for, considering that the phone is now EOL.
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Some of the points about the complexity of GPS are spot on to me. I have to admit, it works like magic when it works. I will live with waiting, or finding wifi to make things work or just skipping GPS.
Just drove from Utah to Virginia and back my brothers mytouch4g killed my gps g2x kept trying to send me in circles around Denver. Couldn't get a lock off the freeway
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i have no issues with my gps on my g2x. that is with the march 2012 y21 baseband. make sure that you got into preferences and select use internal GPS. thats the kicker. gps now works wonderfully
the g2x gps has been rather disappointing. For me, it always work whenever it feels like working and it's just unreliable.
Things got much, much better for me with the v21y update. My TTFF (time to first fix) was almost invariably 2.5-3 minutes before; since I updated it's nearly always < 15 seconds. Very rarely it will again take 150+ seconds, but that's really the exception now.
if you rooted your phone i recommend fasterGPS, you can change your GPS setting to your location. It increases lock on speed greatly. Before it took almost a minute for GPS to lock on, now it locks on before google maps finishes loading
I continue to see a lot of myths concerning how GPS works.
I wrote the following post which has never failed across the US and throughout the world. I've been to Europe (UK, Netherlands) and Africa (Mozambique, South Africa) and been able to use my GPS successfully.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1374577
For international travelers, steps 2 and 3 are the most important. Step 2 gives you access to more satellites and step 3 gives you AGPS data, which is explained in the post.