I am switching to T-Mobile this month and I was wondering whether I should purchase the phone outright via Google Play or subsidize the phone via T-Mobile...
Correct me if I am wrong: If you buy from T-Mobile, you will receive OTA's from T-Mobile rather then straight from Google. If this is the case, then what benefits am I getting receiving the OTA from T-Mobile instead of receiving from Google? Is it T-Mobile's way of acknowledging that the current Android build that was released from Google is fully functional on the T-Mobile network? Hence, there is a delay between the official OTA from Google and the one released by T-Mobile.
My ultimate question comes down to is whether the T-Mobile's OTA is different from the one released by Google. Is the bootloader, radios, etc... all the same?
Negative, all nexus 5s recieve OTAs from google, unless youre rooted.
And to my knowledge, i believe the Nexus 5 from Tmo is $100 more.
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Negative, all nexus 5s recieve OTAs from google, unless youre rooted.
And to my knowledge, i believe the Nexus 5 from Tmo is $100 more.
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Negative on the "unless you're rooted". My unlocked and rooted Nexus5 received the 4.4 to 4.42 update OTA from Google a couple of days ago.
I am no longer rooted after the update, but can re-root whenever I feel the need. I only rooted to get around the KitKat/T-Mobile tethering check on the $30 5gig plan and that survived the OTA.
That's how I am connected now on my N7 while I write this.
You are right about it being better to buy it from the Play Store, of course. I did too.
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the nexus 5 from the play store and tmobile are exactly the same, running the exact same software, provided by google over ota to the nexus 5, regardless where you bought it. well, only the price differs, from tmibile it $100 more, but can make payments on it through tmo instead of paying in full via google play.
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Negative on the "unless you're rooted". My unlocked and rooted Nexus5 received the 4.4 to 4.42 update OTA from Google a couple of days ago.
I am no longer rooted after the update, but can re-root whenever I feel the need. I only rooted to get around the KitKat/T-Mobile tethering check on the $30 5gig plan and that survived the OTA.
That's how I am connected now on my N7 while I write this.
You are right about it being better to buy it from the Play Store, of course. I did too.
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Depends on your rom ofcourse, Cataclysm disabled OTAs.
Rooted doesn't mean ROMed, those are 2 different things. You can be stock and rooted and therefore still get OTAs. Generally ALL ROMs (not stock with mods, those aren't "ROMs" ) will remove the OTA setting as it would just create confusion for their users anyways.
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Depends on your rom ofcourse, Cataclysm disabled OTAs.
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I use the stock ROM, just unlocked and rooted.
If I had been using an alternative ROM on the N5, any non--stock ROM, that would have blocked the OTA, yes. In that case I would either revert to stock or wait for the alternative ROM developer to upgrade their ROM so it would be based on the most recent AOSP sources from Google, plus whatever customizations the devs made.
I'm not totally sure, but I think even just installing a custom recovery like twrp or cwm blocks OTAs.
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Awesome. That about sums it up. I'm probably going to make my purchase from Google Play.
Cheers to everyone!
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I use the stock ROM, just unlocked and rooted.
If I had been using an alternative ROM on the N5, any non--stock ROM, that would have blocked the OTA, yes. In that case I would either revert to stock or wait for the alternative ROM developer to upgrade their ROM so it would be based on the most recent AOSP sources from Google, plus whatever customizations the devs made.
I'm not totally sure, but I think even just installing a custom recovery like twrp or cwm blocks OTAs.
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BestBuy will price match Google Play. Save on shipping and get immediately.
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BestBuy will price match Google Play. Save on shipping and get immediately.
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Good advice !
I bought mine from Google the first day they were available via PlayStore. I didn't have to pay the 7% state sales tax if I remember right, though the shipping was expensive. Maybe I had to pay both...can't remember.
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Here you go
http://www.cnet.com/8301-17918_1-57488091-85/samsung-working-on-android-4.1-update-for-galaxy-s-iii/
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Well, we still have to wait on Verizon...
Serinety said:
Here you go
http://www.cnet.com/8301-17918_1-57488091-85/samsung-working-on-android-4.1-update-for-galaxy-s-iii/
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Verizon will be Q4 or Q1 of 13.
Yeah Verizon blows. Q1 of '13 is a good estimate.
So do you guys know how to upgrade once this is released if I'm stock rooted? Do you have to unroot, update then root it again?
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So do you guys know how to upgrade once this is released if I'm stock rooted? Do you have to unroot, update then root it again?
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Some awesome dev out there will probably come out with a stock JB rooted for all of us to enjoy. Not saying that people like us shouldn't try, we should make an attempt to contribute to the community.
It only took a short while for NoSympathy to make a version of the stock rom that was easy to modify (deodexed) and rooted. Roms based off of that will follow, and will also be CWM flashable.
Don't hold ur breath. im sure one of our great devs will get it to us way before VZW does.
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Don't hold ur breath. im sure one of our great devs will get it to us way before VZW does.
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Agreed.
You spelled "soon" wrong, let me fix:
"February"
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Key lime pie will be shipping on new phones before Verizon gets around to an update...
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This is true !
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"coming soon" lol!
First, the update will be released OTA direct from Samsung for the international version (4-core Exynos).
Next, the update will be released to GSM carriers (2-core Krait, OpenSource radios)
Next, the update will be released Sprint (2-core Krait, CDMA closed-source radios)
Next, the update will be released by GSM carriers via OTA.
Next, the update will be released by Sprint via OTA
Next, Google will ship the 'K' variant (either 4.2 or 5.0 likely) to GSM Nexus devices.
Next, Verizon will soak-test the OTA on 6 devices.
Next, Verizon will send it back to have new versions of their ****ware loaded into /system.
Next, Verizon will soak-test the updated ota on 10 more devices.
Next, Samsung will release the 'K' variant via OTA to international GSM carriers.
Next, Verizon will send the update back to tweak more nanny settings including making it more difficult for third party tethering and Nav.
Next, Verizon will release 2 new phones pre-loaded with the 'K' variant.
Finally, Verizon will release the OTA for the rest of their customers. This will happen around July of '14, right around the time when most people who bought the GS3 will be ready to upgrade again.
Nice ^^^^
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Word!
The worst part is most of you are right but we all hope your horribly wrong. Our phone doesn't even need JB right now, we need some updates that fix a ton of problems. Some of which are already fixed in the International versions. Terrible signal and music playback problems are my main ones.
Hope at least a stable Rom comes out when the international update is released!!
Elite49 said:
The worst part is most of you are right but we all hope your horribly wrong. Our phone doesn't even need JB right now, we need some updates that fix a ton of problems. Some of which are already fixed in the International versions. Terrible signal and music playback problems are my main ones.
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Your signal got worse with this phone too, huh?
I came from a Bionic. Never lost 4G in my apartment and never got "text failed" messages. Now unless I go to one corner of my apartment, messages will not send or receive, nor will calls. And forget 4G. Thank God for Wi-Fi
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Your signal got worse with this phone too, huh?
I came from a Bionic. Never lost 4G in my apartment and never got "text failed" messages. Now unless I go to one corner of my apartment, messages will not send or receive, nor will calls. And forget 4G. Thank God for Wi-Fi
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+1
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Hope at least a stable Rom comes out when the international update is released!!
Now that the international version has gotten it, how long do you think before us verizon users get it? I'm guessing 6 months if history is any indicator.
On 4.4.4 now just flash a rom
MrMalone said:
Now that the international version has gotten it, how long do you think before us verizon users get it? I'm guessing 6 months if history is any indicator.
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Knowing Verizon we'll see 4.4.3 about six months after L comes out for all other M8's....
Haven't used stock since the day I got the phone, only roms
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Dougau said:
Knowing Verizon we'll see 4.4.3 about six months after L comes out for all other M8's....
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Verizon was on top of updates for the M7. Don't see why it'd change now.
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Verizon was on top of updates for the M7. Don't see why it'd change now.
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Hopefully they keep the trend going but if history is any indicator, Verizon being prompt was more of a fluke than a new way of doing things.
What phones was Verizon last to get updates? People have been saying this before VZW even started getting the same phones as other carriers. It's like comparing oranges to apples. VZW has only had exclusive phones like the droid line and the incredible /rezound before the S3..For the S3, note 2, S4, ALL carriers INCLUDING VZW had them and I had updates same time as anyone else.
Can someone elaborate on what phones Verizon took months to update?
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What phones was Verizon last to get updates? People have been saying this before VZW even started getting the same phones as other carriers. It's like comparing oranges to apples. VZW has only had exclusive phones like the droid line and the incredible /rezound before the S3..For the S3, note 2, S4, ALL carriers INCLUDING VZW had them and I had updates same time as anyone else.
Can someone elaborate on what phones Verizon took months to update?
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In my personal experience, the DroidX, Galaxy Nexus and Motorola Maxx. Google would release a version, the manufacturer would have to apply their changes and then Verizon had final approval. Not only does the handset manufacturer have to update for their kernel, UI (Sense, Blur (back in the day), etc.) but they would then put VZW's crap in there as well. 6 months was typical.
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In my personal experience, the DroidX, Galaxy Nexus and Motorola Maxx. Google would release a version, the manufacturer would have to apply their changes and then Verizon had final approval. Not only does the handset manufacturer have to update for their kernel, UI (Sense, Blur (back in the day), etc.) but they would then put VZW's crap in there as well. 6 months was typical.
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Those are VZW exclusive phones. We don't know if it was the manufacturer's fault or Verizon. It could've been Motorola's and Samsung's fault for the delay. That's why I said you can't compare exclusive phones.
I'm pretty sure a manufacturer would work harder and faster to update a phone that carriers across the globe have versus a phone that only one carrier in the world has. Example: Motorola X vs Maxx
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Those are VZW exclusive phones. We don't know if it was the manufacturer's fault or Verizon. It could've been Motorola's and Samsung's fault for the delay. That's why I said you can't compare exclusive phones.
I'm pretty sure a manufacturer would work harder and faster to update a phone that carriers across the globe have versus a phone that only one carrier in the world has. Example: Motorola X vs Maxx
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GNex was by no means VZW exclusive.Sprint had an LTE version and GSM models were available in the Play Store.
But your point is valid - the bulk of the delay is with the manufacturer putting their crap on top of Android. Verizon has nothing to do in this process but approve - they're accepting delivery of the product when the manufacturer is done with it. That can still take a bit - I participated in several soak tests with Motorola where they are done with the update and they're testing the delivery. In a few cases there was a 2 week gap from the time of the completion of the soak test to the time it was released and that's Verizon, at least according to the Motorola employees in their forums.
The M8 is already the last phone to get the latest update. We still don't have extreme power saving mode without flashing a rom.
jojomexi said:
The M8 is already the last phone to get the latest update. We still don't have extreme power saving mode without flashing a rom.
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I sure hope I never get stranded on an island or in the Alaskan wilderness. [emoji6]
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I sure hope I never get stranded on an island or in the Alaskan wilderness. [emoji6]
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Hey now I don't NEED it persay. But there's been many timrs I could stand to place it into EPSM when my battery is low. Its annoying that every carrier got the updates awhile ago and L is coming out and we still dont have an estimate on any updates
jojomexi said:
Hey now I don't NEED it persay. But there's been many timrs I could stand to place it into EPSM when my battery is low. Its annoying that every carrier got the updates awhile ago and L is coming out and we still dont have an estimate on any updates
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Haha I know, it would be nice to have. Isn't Sprint the only US carrier with the update so far, though?
brholt6 said:
Haha I know, it would be nice to have. Isn't Sprint the only US carrier with the update so far, though?
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All carriers have gotten updated for EPSM. But yes Sprint is the only one currently with 4.4.3
jojomexi said:
The M8 is already the last phone to get the latest update. We still don't have extreme power saving mode without flashing a rom.
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VZW was the first to get the 1.55 update . Why does xda always form cults against every carrier. Nobody is ever happy...same complaints in T-Mobile, Sprint, and att forums.
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VZW was the first to get the 1.55 update . Why does xda always form cults against every carrier. Nobody is ever happy...same complaints in T-Mobile, Sprint, and att forums.
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Are we still talking the m8? I've had my m8 since day 1 and the first update we got was AFTER a few other carriers already got EPSM. And I was stoked we would have it. Then I updated and realized it didn't include it and was disappointed. Not forming hatred at all. But wanted to at least have the option for espm on our phone.
Verizon needs to figure out how to break Root and S-off with 4.4.3 on HTC phones before they will push it out.............
Dougau said:
Verizon needs to figure out how to break Root and S-off with 4.4.3 on HTC phones before they will push it out.............
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I can see it now. 4.4.3 breaks root and s-off on Verizon M8!!
3 days later... New root and s-off method available for Verizon HTC One M8 thanks to beaups, jcase and fuses (maybe?).
Sent from my HTC One M8 running Insert Coin. S-OFF.
pball52998 said:
I can see it now. 4.4.3 breaks root and s-off on Verizon M8!!
3 days later... New root and s-off method available for Verizon HTC One M8 thanks to beaups, jcase and fuses (maybe?).
Sent from my HTC One M8 running Insert Coin. S-OFF.
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I'm just waiting for them to release an updated Kernel and firmware. I survive on custom ROMS
Feeling Happy . Good News
Below The List It Shows : The next version of Android: 5.0 Lollipop
http://www.samsung.com/fi/info/update.html#mobile
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_to_bring_lollipop_to_s4_note_2_and_others-news-10566.php
I've had lollipop on my s4 for a week thanks to ib4stid
Coming December 2015!
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Punisher420 said:
I've had lollipop on my s4 for a week thanks to ib4stid
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Was it easy to do on your AT&T S4??? Was everything working Wifi and connect to ATT Ok???
Neontc said:
Coming December 2015!
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Lol more like December 2016 with the way at&t lags with updates.
Punisher420 said:
I've had lollipop on my s4 for a week thanks to ib4stid
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StoneyJSG said:
Lol more like December 2016 with the way at&t lags with updates.
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Amen on SLOW AT&T UPDATES
Everything worked perfect first try
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Everything worked perfect first try
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You must be referring to kangapop? I wish I could try it.
Murasakiii said:
You must be referring to kangapop? I wish I could try it.
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Me as well, I ran @iB4STiD rom's for a long time then was forced into an update which locked my phone up so now I'm safestrapped for life. Really don't mind nj4 just want Lollipop. I have it on my Nexus 7 and with the update to 5.0.2 it's running smooth and quick.
Ask the important questions, man!
Does Samsung plan to unlock the i337 bootloaders with the lollipop update!?
VladimirMan93 said:
Does Samsung plan to unlock the i337 bootloaders with the lollipop update!?
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It's AT&T locking them not Sammy.
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It's AT&T locking them not Sammy.
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I have an alleged i9505 with an AT&T BL.
however, the droid os belongs to samsung since they're the ones doing the edits, fixes and customization.
VladimirMan93 said:
I have an alleged i9505 with an AT&T BL.
however, the droid os belongs to samsung since they're the ones doing the edits, fixes and customization.
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The issue is AT&T says we will buy it if you lock it to us so we can keep our customers and make it more of a chore to leave our company. Samsung says ok because we want the sales and that's why it's done... Samsung can care less once they sell you the phone what you do with it and they already built ways to know what you did to the phone for warranty returns. (So they can deny the claims that are caused by you not listening.)
If you want to get mad at anyone get mad at AT&T just like verizon they play every trick in the book.
That's why if you buy a phone full price you always go international version
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The issue is AT&T says we will buy it if you lock it to us so we can keep our customers and make it more of a chore to leave our company. Samsung says ok because we want the sales and that's why it's done... Samsung can care less once they sell you the phone what you do with it and they already built ways to know what you did to the phone for warranty returns. (So they can deny the claims that are caused by you not listening.)
If you want to get mad at anyone get mad at AT&T just like verizon they play every trick in the book.
That's why if you buy a phone full price you always go international version
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It is supose to be unlocked I had the same phone i9505 with i337 bootloader it came that way from the factory at Vietnam cause I bought it brand new,
Albie_Stark said:
It is supose to be unlocked I had the same phone i9505 with i337 bootloader it came that way from the factory at Vietnam cause I bought it brand new,
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I have heard of that happening from people that buy online but I don't know much about them I believe someone in one of the threads (that was an at&t or samsung source) said they were at&t branded internationals (meaning they were to be sold through at&t for corporate or maybe coverage outside the US?, though I don't know much more because I only stay up to date on the US versions
If you just bought it you might want to check your buying source (example amazon will give you a new phone if you buy the international that's meant to be used with several carriers), if you have owned it for awhile then you're in the same boat as the rest of us.
I don't think the bootloader will ever be unlocked unless..
A law requires them too...
Someone finally finds a exploit (which because less likely as more people switch to newer phones)
They have a security leak like Sony where the key is discovered.
BehrendsTech said:
I have heard of that happening from people that buy online but I don't know much about them I believe someone in one of the threads (that was an at&t or samsung source) said they were at&t branded internationals (meaning they were to be sold through at&t for corporate or maybe coverage outside the US?, though I don't know much more because I only stay up to date on the US versions
If you just bought it you might want to check your buying source (example amazon will give you a new phone if you buy the international that's meant to be used with several carriers), if you have owned it for awhile then you're in the same boat as the rest of us.
I don't think the bootloader will ever be unlocked unless..
A law requires them too...
Someone finally finds a exploit (which because less likely as more people switch to newer phones)
They have a security leak like Sony where the key is discovered.
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OMG!! I supouse that.... but it is ok for me, my phone was manufactured on 11-28-14,I bought it on december 12 if you want to see the whole story look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s4/help/bought-i9505-china-i337-bootloader-t2985230
@VladimirMan93 the answer to our pain
BehrendsTech said:
That's why if you buy a phone full price you always go international version
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Or at the very least stop the store worker from updating it when you first activate it. When I bought mine she took it out of the box, turned it on and immediately accepted the update notification and installed it after it downloaded when she put the screen protector on..
@Apoplectic1
You should have made her give you different one. I do not and will not allow a store clerk to setup or mess with a phone I'm buying. :good:
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@Apoplectic1
You should have made her give you different one. I do not and will not allow a store clerk to setup or mess with a phone I'm buying. :good:
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I would have had I known that AT&T locked their bootloaders. This is the first phone that I have owned that had one, and until I tried to mess around with it I had no idea that one could lock a bootloader.
Sadly, I won't be able to get the Lollipop update unless I want my phone locked down forever because I am one of the few people that is still on the MDL firmware which can use the LOKI bootloader bypass to boot custom ROMs.
Getting a used Verizon Pixel soon as backup/google home/project fi activation unit. So I'm learning about the situations here. It seems although people are able to unlock it and flash to stock firmware, it's still not possible to get stock OTA after all... right? I know I can do everything I want with it as is, but I still prefer a clean system... So if total debloat is not possible, is there an app or anything like Package Disabler for Pixels?
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Getting a used Verizon Pixel soon as backup/google home/project fi activation unit soon. So I'm learning about the situations here. It seems although people are able to unlock it and flash to stock firmware, it's still not possible to get stock OTA after all... right? I know I can do everything I want with it as is, but I still prefer a clean system... So if total debloat is not possible, is there an app or anything like Package Disabler for Pixels?
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Just go to apps and unistall the apps you don't want. They are not locked in there like the old days.
jnrfalcon said:
Getting a used Verizon Pixel soon as backup/google home/project fi activation unit. So I'm learning about the situations here. It seems although people are able to unlock it and flash to stock firmware, it's still not possible to get stock OTA after all... right? I know I can do everything I want with it as is, but I still prefer a clean system... So if total debloat is not possible, is there an app or anything like Package Disabler for Pixels?
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There really isn't that much bloat anymore as it is... None of those ridiculous Verizon apps that no one ever used exist.
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tfly212 said:
There really isn't that much bloat anymore as it is... None of those ridiculous Verizon apps that no one ever used exist.
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Thanks guys. But is Verizon really keeping up with Google? Or do they drop one or two versions every some time...
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Thanks guys. But is Verizon really keeping up with Google? Or do they drop one or two versions every some time...
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The updates come regularly, but are usually a couple weeks behind the standard update. There is a Verizon specific version of each monthly release... You can see them all on the Google download page. Curious to see how it goes with Android O getting released Monday though... Might be a bigger delay there. We will see.
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Thanks guys. But is Verizon really keeping up with Google? Or do they drop one or two versions every some time...
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Sit down for this answer it will knock you off your feet.
They are actually a few hours ahead. Both Google and VZ release on the first Monday of the month late morning. But since VZ is east coast they start dropping sooner.
Also, Google makes the VZ versions so they are available for download from Googles dev site....same time as the plain Google version. And its all different on this phone, the VZ version just has some radio and network changes. There is no bloat in it. You actually get that from VZ when you put the VZ SIM in it. I got it on my Google version when I put the SIM in it.
And its not much, just the basics. MY Verizon, Visual Voicemail. That kind of stuff.
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Sit down for this answer it will knock you off your feet.
They are actually a few hours ahead. Both Google and VZ release on the first Monday of the month late morning. But since VZ is east coast they start dropping sooner.
Also, Google makes the VZ versions so they are available for download from Googles dev site....same time as the plain Google version. And its all different on this phone, the VZ version just has some radio and network changes. There is no bloat in it. You actually get that from VZ when you put the VZ SIM in it. I got it on my Google version when I put the SIM in it.
And its not much, just the basics. MY Verizon, Visual Voicemail. That kind of stuff.
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Good to know Can't wait to get mine on Monday.
if i went to a Verizon store tomorrow and got a Pixel 2, and removed the sim and disabled WiFi, would i still be able to unlock the bootloader and root?
there is only a $35 restocking fee, but i'm only vaguely familiar with the unlock procedure for the Pixel 2, and haven't found any recent posts about it. obviously if i learn that it is possible, i will more heavily research the procedure. i'm just trying to avoid a $35 restocking fee if at all possible.
another thing i am wondering about as of writing this is, does updating a Verizon Pixel 2 relock the bootloader and kill root? would buying the phone from Google make it update safe?
thanks for all your help!
junkshot9112 said:
if i went to a Verizon store tomorrow and got a Pixel 2, and removed the sim and disabled WiFi, would i still be able to unlock the bootloader and root?
there is only a $35 restocking fee, but i'm only vaguely familiar with the unlock procedure for the Pixel 2, and haven't found any recent posts about it. obviously if i learn that it is possible, i will more heavily research the procedure. i'm just trying to avoid a $35 restocking fee if at all possible.
another thing i am wondering about as of writing this is, does updating a Verizon Pixel 2 relock the bootloader and kill root? would buying the phone from Google make it update safe?
thanks for all your help!
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If Verizon figures out you've unlocked the bootloader, they can and/or will refuse to accept it. There are threads following the Verizon version, which should have the answers your looking for.
Why even bother with Verizon at all? You've answered your own questions.
Purchase from Google, root with no worries of a relocked bootloader ever happening, and you can rest easy.
Also, 35% of $1000, is $350.
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No way in hell I would pay 1k for this phone considering it's impossible to play FPS games due to mutitouch problems I'm not happy I paid even 150 for it!
Bighoss00 said:
No way in hell I would pay 1k for this phone considering it's impossible to play FPS games due to mutitouch problems I'm not happy I paid even 150 for it!
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So what phone do you recommend?
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junkshot9112 said:
if i went to a Verizon store tomorrow and got a Pixel 2, and removed the sim and disabled WiFi, would i still be able to unlock the bootloader and root?
there is only a $35 restocking fee, but i'm only vaguely familiar with the unlock procedure for the Pixel 2, and haven't found any recent posts about it. obviously if i learn that it is possible, i will more heavily research the procedure. i'm just trying to avoid a $35 restocking fee if at all possible.
another thing i am wondering about as of writing this is, does updating a Verizon Pixel 2 relock the bootloader and kill root? would buying the phone from Google make it update safe?
thanks for all your help!
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I don't know if it is still able to be unlocked. Odds are that as long as it is not updated past the January update, then you can unlock the bootloader. Once unlocked though, there is very little chance any update would relock it for two reasons:
1. OTA Updates fail when you're unlocked
2. If it did relock, it would wipe your phone. Verizon wouldn't want that bad PR from wiping people's without consent.
Mangtas_666 said:
So what phone do you recommend?
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Samsung or LG
Bighoss00 said:
Samsung or LG
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Are you selling your pixel 2?
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Bighoss00 said:
No way in hell I would pay 1k for this phone considering it's impossible to play FPS games due to mutitouch problems I'm not happy I paid even 150 for it!
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Can i ask whaf you mean? I have 0 issues with multi touch iv been playing **** outa pubg
Delta wolf said:
Can i ask whaf you mean? I have 0 issues with multi touch iv been playing **** outa pubg
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No unfortunately I can not sell my pixel2 as it's my work phone under contract
https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/70344455
Bighoss00 said:
No way in hell I would pay 1k for this phone considering it's impossible to play FPS games due to mutitouch problems I'm not happy I paid even 150 for it!
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It's a regular pixel 2, it doesn't cost anywhere near $1k and very few people have the multi touch bug. Even if you did, this phone has a 2 year warranty, so you're covered either way.
junkshot9112 said:
if i went to a Verizon store tomorrow and got a Pixel 2, and removed the sim and disabled WiFi, would i still be able to unlock the bootloader and root?
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Probably it's already been updated to the March update, so no. And even though the January (and November) firmware is still at Google's site, it's probably locked against downgrading. (Anyone with a non-unlockable bootloader want to try?)
PuffDaddy_d said:
I don't know if it is still able to be unlocked. Odds are that as long as it is not updated past the January update, then you can unlock the bootloader. Once unlocked though, there is very little chance any update would relock it for two reasons:
1. OTA Updates fail when you're unlocked
2. If it did relock, it would wipe your phone. Verizon wouldn't want that bad PR from wiping people's without consent.
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my friend at the verizon store was willing to check the software versions on the boxes, and found one that was before OPM2.171019.016. i'm not sure what, but it was OPM1.xxxxxx.xxx. some were already OPM3.xxxxxx.xxx.
it isn't true that an unlocked bootloader = a failed OTA update, as this was the issue i had with my Pixel 1. i got it early, unlocked with depixel8, and rooted. i then disabled OTA updates, and yet somehow, one made it through. it did not relock my bootloader, but it did leave me on a software version that was not rootable, even though my bootloader was unlocked. it is my main concern. but also, i want updates, i just want them to happen on my terms and not break my device.
any thoughts?
junkshot9112 said:
my friend at the verizon store was willing to check the software versions on the boxes, and found one that was before OPM2.171019.016. i'm not sure what, but it was OPM1.xxxxxx.xxx. some were already OPM3.xxxxxx.xxx.
it isn't true that an unlocked bootloader = a failed OTA update, as this was the issue i had with my Pixel 1. i got it early, unlocked with depixel8, and rooted. i then disabled OTA updates, and yet somehow, one made it through. it did not relock my bootloader, but it did leave me on a software version that was not rootable, even though my bootloader was unlocked. it is my main concern. but also, i want updates, i just want them to happen on my terms and not break my device.
any thoughts?
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I would suggest searching through the forums for your answers which have been posted numerous times. You've opened a second thread to a discussion that has been addressed in its entirety here. https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-2/how-to/unlock-bootloader-verizon-pixel-2-t3730076
Again the question of "How do I update my phone when it is rooted/BL unlocked" has been answered over and over. Probably good to try and keep the forum clean and searchable for everyone. That's the preferred method.
@MikeChannon Can you please lock this thread before it goes into the wild? Duplicate post